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My Struggles in Norse Paganism | Altar Spaces and Oath Rings
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2021
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I think the common mistake pagans in general make, is that your altar has to only fit in with a certain aesthetic, or has to mean a specific thing. My altar is my fire place in my dining room, and I only really picked this particular space so I can light many candles at once and know it'll be safe (some spell work that I do requires candles to burn out completey which can take hours). I simply collect things that I feel drawn to, and other than changing them around with each season/Equinox etc, none of it fits any specific aesthetic or theme. I decorate it with things that feel magick to me, as well as the tools that I need to perform my rituals or spell work. We're all guilty of falling in to the trap of thinking our altars need to look a certain way or need certain items that tie in with each other to be 'legit', but I feel like we should all just fill them with whatever makes us happy and feel connected! My altar looks like chaos a lot of the time, but everything there serves a purpose, whether it's for my work or things that just bring me happiness! Paganism is so varied and subjective, just do what brings you joy and don't worry about what everyone else is doing. If your intention is great, you can't really go wrong! Great video! :)
That truly gives me an idea because the ne apartment I’m looking at in the spring has a fire place with a nice shelf above it.
Having your cat hanging around the beginning of your video, and then you setting up your Odin altar is sort of like "Top 10 Images Before Disaster" energy lmao especially know how much cats love sunlit windows and dangly things hanging off walls but I hope everything stays upright and in place it all looks great!
This has been my struggle I’m so worried to offend the gods/goddesses by setting figures next to others or using the same offering bowl at different times for different deities. I’m glad to know I’m not the only one stressing over that and trying to figure it out 😂
Being an armchair not-a-witch, an altar seems like a no-brainer-- a sacrifice of space dedicated to mindfulness and intention. But I just happen to have a neat 100-year-old secretary to store things like my tarot cards and candles, specimens and artifacts.
My cat likes to eat my money plant too. Drives me crazy! 😂
When I was in the woods I found "weapons", that I felt, were made just for me, made out of wood.
I also found Thor's Hammer Mjölnir, made out of a tree root.
When you are alone in nature, you have a much stronger connection to the gods and the universe.
Modern civilization is, pretty much, static, that hinders your connection to all things.
Love seeing your altar pieces! It's been a couple weeks since I did this and I just felt a huge flow of creative and spiritual energy afterwards. Definitely what I needed.
I would look at the changing of oath rings or any type of oath jewelry that no longer fits as maybe a sign your transitioning to a new phase and that when you relinquish the oath to that piece it is meant to be past to another person maybe moving into your phase etc. aka you’ve leveled up.
I DID THE SAME THING! I was at the beach a few months ago and I found a stick in the shape of a Fehu so I took it. I keep it in my car.
"Miri, stop eating the plant!" 😂 looks great!! I have so much in boxes, once I have more room it'll be the most pagan house ever haha. Very powerful to move the altar around and rehonor the space!
*Holds up deer jaw*
Jacob: “Why do I have this *pause* Coyote jaw!?”
😂 Your woo collection is awesome man. Can’t wait to see you again!
Kinda nice to hear how many others struggle with the same thing. Add me to the list. I'm a great collector of bits of Nature and stone. Over thinking, count me in here too. I thoroughly enjoyed listening and I'm fully motivated.
This is something i struggle to figure out, so thanks man, Skål
Great timing for this video,as it's time for me to cleanse and reorganize my altar as well. It's always such a struggle cause I start overthinking and moving things around, and it takes me so long to get it done. Seeing that you struggle with the same issue ,that I'm not the only one, and also learning from the way you think and organize your altar , has made me feel better and excited to get mine done .
Thank you for this amazing video,also for sharing your ritual with us in the end. 💚
P.s: as a cat mom myself , the lovely struggle in the background hasn't gone unnoticed either 😂
I personally have two altars. One is inside one is outside. The one outside I use mainly for deity work but also for the land spirits and the spirits of my plants. Inside I mainly use it for ancestors as well as spells and basic magic. I do use it some for deity work but I feel called to do it more outside.
As a Pagan/Wiccan I know the issues of alters. My cat also feels it is his place to lay. I have several special boxes for the tarot cards and special items I find.
Look here is my take, we cannot recreate how our ancestors practiced their religion so therefore all we can do is try to carry on the legacy and tradition as best we can.
That was a beautiful ritual at the end of your video, thank you for sharing it 💙
Thank you as always for sharing the doubts and reassuring that though we know not all of the faith so long as the message remains true so too will our path in it.
I love this channel so much! Thanks for sharing your culture and beliefs. I’ve been learning so much here!!! I’ve only learned a very one sided view of Paganism. Something told me to open my eyes about past prejudice teachings from my upbringing and I’m so glad to learn so much about all the beauty of this culture. I prefer to challenge myself and unpack what I don’t know. It’s content is super valuable.
Great Video showing how to fix the Altar Space
Something I want to point out is it is important to remember tradition but it's also important to evolve. We can look at the limited understanding we have as a chance to evolve our faith to a more modern understanding of the world. I don't believe the gods would be offended by us trying to understand them differently than people a thousand years ago. Odin did once say "I am the All Father, father of all gods. If he worships a god, he worships me." Referring to the fact that he understands that humans are just humans and will interpret him and his message differently. It's possible and even likely that our ancestors got some things completely wrong, just because it's old doesn't mean it was correct.
Thanks for your work Jacob! :D
Thank you for your videos on altars, Jacob. It's something I struggle with because I want to start building one to honor the gods a bit more but living at my parents' house it just feels unconfortable. I guess in a few years, when I start renting a place, I can have a few things already to get started with it.
Of your parents are Christian than you could wear a thors hammer or a pendant something that you connect with also if your friends are pagan or if there parents are cool then you could leave your alter stuff at there place try worshiping them in your mom nd heart and soul and may skadi be with you
Hehe i do this re-arranging every season or holiday - so next time is for Samhain, then for Jul... There are ever pieces that are there any time, but some i change from time to time. Altar decoration is something you really can overthink... And all things on mine have a meaning for me - all things are found somewhere on my travel
Great video very employable, but I can't stop think about the cat in the beginning it looks like our new kitten we rescued his name is Wallie.
Love your videos!
You have my respect I am a very proud Norse pagan from Ireland skal brother and the gods have given me the power to fight my own darkness
I love that cup. Its so nice!
I love how his cat's just playing with the plant in the background
Ah it's always good to clear ones alter space from time to time or season to season whenever the mood takes you. Your cat is so adorable.🤗
Please could you also tell me the title of the music you used. It is gorgous.
I have three mjolnir necklaces (two kings chains necklaces one thats has geri and freki on it and one with thors goats holding the mjolnir, one double sided mjolnir necklace with a ansuz and raido rune beads on the top) one fenrir necklace missing a eye (almost like an odinic sign) and one geri and freki oath ring. I cant wait to add more items to my altar without it being too cluttered. My ancestor altar looks less cluttered then my main one
Im struggling to afford stuff for an altar space. Atm i only have a necklace and a Nordic compass ring and a few books. I started my journey around 2 years ago
Gather raw materials, as you walk along a path in a park... :ie.. a leaf that catches your eye.., a ( stick ) as was mentioned here in the video, go to " thrift " stores n yard/ porch sales n find beads,pieces of interest to you...n ...construct from there! My "alter" has traveled far n wide n morphed several many times...it still is a work in progress...and will continue,once I cross the great divide!
Good travels to ya!
In the old days most people didn't offer fancy things to the gods. Only very rich people like kings or jarls could afford that. People offered part of their crops or an animal in very special occasions because animals were very precious. Project that to the modern age and adjust it. Flowers from a field in spring, fallen leaves, sticks and stones, nuts/ fruits (use dehydrated fruits to avoid flies), milk, honey or even flavored water with spices that you have in your kitchen. If you live in the countryside you can find bones out in the wild (safety first though, don't put yourself in dangerous situations) . You can even draw something and offer that too. An offering is an offering and if it is done with respect the gods will be happy to accept it. It just takes small adjustments to cater to different gods
Really liked the part at the end
My alter? Is the fire pit in my back yard. I venerate the dead, some I knew through life, some I killed in war, so I have a lot of skulls that I found while hiking and other things that are remembrances of the dead. I also have a life alter of sorts that would be the garden area I have, but I don't do much there that would be considered ritual. But these are just me and my practices.
This Was Brilliant I Felt Connected Just Watching This Video I Hope Someday I Will Honor The Gods This Way🙏Hail To The Old Ways
Very recognizable haha also the adjusting stuff after putting it down 10 times also same here I have a huge red deer antler who now stays in my living room. Most of my items are in my spiritual room but yes it will evantually start moving throughout the house xD
I have almost no room for a sacred space and it drives me mad at times lol all I have is a small shelf split in half, one side for the Aesir and one side for the Vanir each with their own small bowls
I dont like to wear "trinkets" on my body.
They just get in my way.
Things like, armbands, and necklaces etc.
Watching this video and knowing that you let go of so many things to embark on your Odin inspired journey to Europe, where did everything go?? So many beautiful and meaningful things.
I have some members in the community who are holding onto my more sacred objects. Others I have either given away or left as offerings ❤️
That was a nice ritual, brother. I'm sure the gods have heard your words
I would just like to say you have taught me a lot about this religion thank you this video really helped I've always wanted one of these rings every time I look at them online though they're always so expensive and I thought about making my own.
I love how you did the manel in the living room
The real struggles of the people!thanks for talking about this
Yet another thing (things, details) that we (both you and me, and some other, "senior" Norse Pagans) have in common! I can't believe how powerful and reflective this is (watching your videos)! It's as if I'm finally speaking to someone, it could as well been myself, who totally and irrevocably gets me!
At the beginning I had one small altar, now I have 3 "main" altars and it's slowly spreading to my entire house! :D
I have the sticks and the cones and chestnuts and bones and pretty stones - all of which I gathered from here and there exactly the same way you did with your Laguz stick, and on top of that, I too have a chest and a "rack" with all the neckleses and gifts I've received from the beginning of my journey,,, you wouldn't believe (if you haven't been experiencing it yourself) at how exactly the same we are and we have even the same weird thoughts!
I too, struggle every time I dust and rearange my altar with the position of the figurines and even amulets and bindrunes... It's insane how we "match", I said this before and I have to say it again, we Nords are all the same, almost exactly the same and we like to believe we're so "different" and unique and beyond comprehension, when even with thousands of miles between us and different skies above us - we're the same :D
One other thing, I'm the only Nord who has a dog, all other Nords own cats, and now you too! I would probably have a cat too if I wasn't allergic to cat fur... How crazy, I feel so warm in my heart
Right on time!
Me: alright my alter is all set up
Cat: you thought
I felt this in my soul. I had to separate Hades and The Morrigan🙄 the racket those two make! Poor Rhiannon is stuck in the middle
I think for me being a Viking, means being cool under pressure. Norwegian culture is very much about having control, and following through on your intention. We always need to be so controlled and I think that has roots to the Viking Age.
I struggle with mine too I’m wanting to change mine up here soon.
I do have a video or podcast idea for you. One talking about food and eating habits and making a spiritual connection that way
Yeah, some of the bracelets and oath rings really want your hand to be cut off… like some sort of a wolf.
Your alter looks beautiful.
i use the runes for shamanism as portholes, and paradoxes to expand my awareness and wisdom , they help me here to more my energy systems like moving chi with song, they help me read the forces of reality and nature, they help me learn the lore of my ancestors, the story of creation, and how to condition myself to fare forth and wander the nine worlds , and yeah all sorts of astral training. id you cannot dream with the runes and meet the rune spirits personally, all you have is anthropology, and peoples opinions. just make the effort, hold the disciplines high and if you want to know.. Odin will answer. Unless he doenst like you, which is common
I know that struggle as well especially whenever i make offering to Odin and other gods.
Also, I got a question regarding the oath ring which I been thinking should i wear during the sleep and shower and it there a right way to wear oath ring because I wear it on my left hand but im not sure which position is correct.
omg I have the same kind of quartz castle! my dad used to work in a mine and found it and thought of me so thats how I came to have it
Same here with the altar. My cat never messed them up but since I moved back to my parents' I had to build a cabinet with locks to keep my nephews from playing with them 🤦♂️
I live in a christian household and it's hard for me to outright set up an altar, so all my gatherings are on display on shelves. My family just thinks it's my normal mythological collection. Anyway, I hope your Mary is more respectful to your altar than my boy, Thor. He has knock things over or just actually steal it and hide it. Just like you I had to rethink where I should put my icons. Thank you for sharing your struggles. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
That sounds like Loki trying to pretend to be Thor. He would never take or hide anything but Loki certainly would.
I was under the impression “oath rings” where not at all that in viking times. That it was more or less a wearable wallet.
This is something thet may help you guys and Jacob. I heard one of the things you can do if . If you can not use an item or give it to someone who can use it for their altar. You can bury it. I read this in a wiccan book a long time ago because it goes back to the earth being natural. Also I use to watch an old nun on tv, she would take all broken catholic statues and things from people who were stressed what to do with it. She put it in the walls and pillars inside churches newly being built, so it went back to the christian god.
i would treat your bones like people do masks. you have that wall there on the left in your back ground. you could put crooked vine roots on that wall , then put your bones on them. The light against the dark will make them stand out. You could make that whole room your altar having your desk in there too. I have seen this a few times looking at Wiccan videos. What actually excited me, the decor and placement of things. its the new decorating style of like the late 1800's goth type of look. for example. Really old looking trunks in one corner stacked on each other used as a table. Old english cottage style is part of this. antique curio cabinets with old bottle for oils and spells, and books. Old books on their side with crows sitting on them.
As a mage in training, my advice would be to keep your deities on separate alters, especially, but not limited to, if their energies clash or they don't get along with each other.
Great video.. I really need to sort my alter space out it's a mess like you I have multiple necklaces and bone and antlers ect
It's a never ending battle keeping the altar settled, especially when there are always new bones and stones to find!
i feel like you should do what moves you...the ancient folks were probably more nomadic...i doubt they'd have had a large assortment of things to tote around...my guess is they did most of their stuff outside and possibly had a small amount of trinkets but wore their jewelry constantly...in our more stationary world....we can design our spaces differently and the way we interact within our faith...
two corner shelves so they are at the same level plant in the middle between altars by window.
You have a beautiful space and I love that it’s by a window with a good display of nature, but I noticed you have some stones in the window - I think I see rose quartz and clear quartz? They can fade and crack over time from too much sun exposure if you’re not careful, I thought I would say something just in case.
I have a shelf with all the Gods and Goddesses right next to each other its kind of like Grand central station Im looking to get a bigger shelf or bookcase soon
I have the same one but mine is silver and not gold but it can leave like little indents on your skin in the morning but it dont hurt lol
I know this is a year later and I'm no 'expert' - that being said, my husband and I do not have our original wedding rings. I have since replaced mine. My husband works with his hands, so he doesn't want to bother with a ring (which is why he doesn't wear his wedding ring). That being said, we are still married (just celebrated our 42nd wedding anniversary). So I'm guessing that switching oath rings isn't going to cause the Earth to tilt
If you are sticking within a certain set of deities that all exist in a cosmology then the majority of "alters" being used will reflect that cosmology. Similar to setting up a stage for the gods, ancestors, and other spirits. I find it really importing how an alter is arranged because I see it like a recipe which creates spirit food. You have to know that how you have it arranged will attract certain entities.
where did you get all the statues from?
Hi, Jacob! As a man who worships the majority of jötuns and the æsir, I feel like there is a lot curiosity about the bones. Where do you find them? Do you purchase them or find them?
Me packing up the travel altar: *is it ok to put Hel's statue underneath Freyr? She likes being underground right?*
Fascinating video, which has given me much to think about. Thank you. Can I ask a question which may seem silly? Why do we Norsemen where Mjollnir pendants, even if Odin is our Patron? Is there some rational behind that you're aware of?
There have been many mjolnir pendants found in grave sites of vikings, and the people during that time. Gods like Thor, and Freyr would have been more prominent deities than the war god Odin, to the common person.
So its partly an honoring of the past practices that we know.
@@TheWisdomOfOdin Now that you say that it reminds me that I'd heard that before. I'd also heard it suggested that Odin was more of a God of Jarls, with his exalted status as All-father of the Pantheon. Actually, this reminds me that I want to get myself a new, better quality Mjolnir: one that is more 3D, if that makes sense?
I came to Norse paganism through marriage. But my original Celtics practices merged very easily between the two. Mostly I had a lot of extra feathers and bones.....
And where you got your oath ring
This is a living faith, we are ancestors in training. Make the practice what you will. Don't be bogged down with what we don't know.
Nice eyelashes bro
here is my ideia: if u don't know what to do or u are having problems to find the "most perfect" altar, just make your house your altar. there's is one small altar in the kitchen, another in the tree in your garden and etc, till u find what is more confortable to u, i personally like to have a lot kkkk
Jacob,
If your oath ring is actually made of pewter, you should not have that against your skin. Lead is a major chemical constituent of pewter. Don't risk lead poisoning. You could put that in a place of honor in your home, but don't wear it. (LTB, age 78)
My question is how do I find other Norse pagans in my area to find gatherings
Because I'm nonbinary I chose a name, and the name happened to be Loki. It just felt... right, like it chose me. What does that mean?
I'm not currently involved in any religious practice but I have a deep love of mythology, and want to incorporate aspects of many traditions into my life. Am I likely to get backlash from the Norse gods?
I can definitely see Loki being a god who would deal with nonbinary people pretty well. Fun fact Loki is a father and a mother. He's the mother of Odins horse, Slepnir.
Loki is also pretty big on chaotic energy and mischief in general. If you want to do some Loki worship good offerrings I've personally done include tequila, Twisted Tea, and rum. I'm not big on Loki worship personally, I often say things like "Fuck you Loki. Leave me alone!" Because I'm just giving to him to leave me alone.
@@corymoon2439 Yeah! That story really resonated with me. I'm reading the Prose Edda now and can't wait to learn more :)
Right, that makes sense, and I suppose it's worth spending some time sort of brainstorming the possibilities for offerings.
That's pretty funny, I love it. Pretty much echoes the Aesir's attitude much of the time lol
Does anyone know a good discord server I can join?
Also having trouble finding a good server
I’m new to this religion and I’m wondering what books I should get
Theres alot but the basics are, the Poetic Edda and Pose Edda though take it with a grain of salt, it was written during Christian times. And the Havamal
What is the proof and logic behind faith?
Hi Jacob
My name is sam and I am a norse pagan myself fairly new still but I have felt the gods more then in any other faith. I have strong faith and believe that the gods watch over me and my family though they are not pagans with me. Perhaps you can help in a few ways to become close to the gods. Skol
The oath ring was ment for swearing oaths before a Godi at a formal blot…They’re not ment to be worn everyday like a fashion accessory.
where are the historical resource for these type of things?
Buried with our ancestors
I mean how can we know for sure what they did? Its all personal interpretation?
Must be fate lol this was in my recomended when my god statues of freyr odin and thor just came in
Did the Norse people ever had altars???? I mean in the old times during kings and quens
Hello Norse Pagans. I am currently going to every youtube channel of every religion I can find and asking them why I should join their religion. I will document all responses from all religions and decide which one I will join. If there is no response, I will cross those religions off after 1 week. Thanks!
Also you should set up a shrine to your patron Gods - determined through divination. Not every god will work with you, and you should be making weekly offerings to each deity who walks with you on the appropriate days of the week. In addition where is your ancestral shrine??? Every Asatruar MUST have a separate shrine for their blood ancestors. This is the foundation of every single living ancestral religion - Palo, Santeria, Voudon etc.
You say there is much we do not know and that is true but the world over we can see similarities in the practices of both historic and contemporary occult communities. I know magic is not your thing but much of the information you think is lost can actually be inferred from the knowledge and practices of high magicians, traditional witches, shamans and the like. Not every witch, not every high magician... far from it, but if you find those with deep knowledge, rooted in centuries of accumulated experience, you will find much to enrich your paganism, without feeling any need to become a witch or a mage.
Is it ok to use a pop vinyl or not
I can't answer for sure, but for me it seems disrespectful to use a toy as an idol to the the Gods we revere.
Jacob, do you have any jewish heritage? Hails!
Respectfully, you need to have a whole lot less liught ion your videos. We can hardly see anything let alone you.
I personally have two altars. One is inside one is outside. The one outside I use mainly for deity work but also for the land spirits and the spirits of my plants. Inside I mainly use it for ancestors as well as spells and basic magic. I do use it some for deity work but I feel called to do it more outside.