Intellect or Instinct: A Contemporary View of the Death Drive | The New School
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- Intellect or Instinct: Must We Choose? A Contemporary View of the Death Drive
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The Oscar Sternbach Memorial Award is presented to Otto F. Kernberg, MD, former president of the International Psychoanalytical Association. His lecture, The Death Drive: A Contemporary View of the Controversy, is a critical examination of Freuds theory of the death drive based on psychoanalytic explorations of aggressive motivation in cases of both severe and borderline character pathology. He questions the assumption of an innate self-destructive drive but affirms the inborn nature of aggressive affects and the clinical relevance of Freuds concept. Cosponsored by the National Psychological Association for Psychoanalysis and the Department of Social Sciences at The New School.
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* Location: Theresa Lang Community and Student Center, Arnhold Hall. 10/10/2008 8:00 p.m.
Starts at 14:50
"..but we do find self-destructive suicidal behaviors also in patients who are not depressed but have severe narcissistic personalities where sense of defeat, failure, humiliation, in essence the loss of their grandiosity, bring about not only feelings of extremely devastating shameful defeat and inferiority but a compensatory sense of triumph over reality by taking their own life thus demonstrating to themselves and to the world they are not afraid of pain and death; to the contrary, death emerges as an even elegant abandonment of depreciated worthless world."
If they don't off themselves, they most likely will experience a narcissist collapse in old age.
How about addressing the thing that made the him afraid in first place so you Don t have to feel like you are dying just to overcome it to impresses you and others. Like fix the world not the patent or get out the way stop drugging people trying to fix your world so others Don t have to slay your our ancesters dragons for them.
@@kirstinstrand6292or they saw a much better way of living you all are blind to and you are seen as enjoying the things that make others suffer with your god Rome and capitalist heart.
Your heart tells you no thats not it sir. Then I ask you how many out of 10 people suffer from a neurological disorder on earth? So we are talking billions you say in western world all forced to be Jesus worshiping capitalists loyal to laws locked in stone not to move by our uneducated ancestors so we can slay there dragons for all times ? Its impressive to your mind its my life and ya BPD bipolar and can point why it happened and how. So keep brainwashing people in to new ideas about a reality set in stone that moves and makes you suffer.
@jac585 but who is going to "fix the world"?? And how you would "fix" a person with NPD? This happened in their childhood probably to do with his caretakers, so they do have to "slay the ancestors dragons" but I am not sure if NPD can actually be cured? It would be interesting to find out if someone with that disorder actually was able to help himself and without the dr*ugs("medicine"). I am also against medicating, BTW.
@@LunaLu-00 me I fix the world every time I show them what has been going on and why suffering exists. And if you think im a narcissist you need to read again I have to do this its all my mind dose to point out the cracks and the people who fall in them and have no pride in doing no joy I just do it cuz I was made this way some people shove s it. For a living even today. The world id jacked billions mentally ill not ill just stuck in current system of controll same system of control Russia and china and Manny Manny Manny other nations are doing right now today to stop the new Rome empire that failed man thousands of years ago and failed today. No more rothchild bank wars or silent preachers and controlling government. Me my people arr going to shut this down.
A fascinating talk by the world's greatest living psychologist. Kernberg's approach, Transference Focused Psychotherapy, traces its lineage to Object Relations Therapy and Melanie Klein, then bi-passes Ego Psychology (the least spiritual form of psychology in my opinion) and goes straight back to Freud. As a Lacanian Freudian I believe that Freud's discussion of the Todestrieb in Jenseits das Lustprinzips is one of the most succinct and brilliant passages in the entire literature of psychology, but I nevertheless appreciate Dr. Kernberg's attempt to interpret it in light of contemporary schools and trends Kernberg, by the way, says that he is "a closet cognitive behavior therapist," which I find quite amusing.
That is amusing, indeed. I wonder what prompted him to say that?
Strengthening the cortical functions of cluster B people must be done along with somatic therapies - or the patient will get worse. Speaking from experience. The field must stress the importance of this or you are just making people worse and it feels like planned obsolescence. My own self work has been far more useful than any therapist or psychiatrists I have seen, and these types of discussion have been pivotal. Thank you for sharing!
55:00 structures. Psychic Structure. Good exposition of Freuds famous Ego Superego.
So relatively short, but very good, it can be done / said!
@MrWhooy - Thank you very much! Saved me 14:50 minutes.
1:00:00 paranoid and self destructive transfer with therapist of representation and affects.
31:30 repetition compulsion PTS.
37:35 negative therapeutic reaction
He got the point...
i love it! spread the word! watch carefully & share @ 44:23 !
Viscerally disturbing
1:24:00. Q:. Death drive. Secondary phenomenon. Self destructive behaviour. Struggling to have a self and identity. Objects seemingly enemies to be destroyed. A: bad self to salvage a good self. Self destructiveness. Suicidal and severe depression. Malignant narcissism, no integrated good self. Self psychology value, self objects and introspection. Aggression is the decomposition of the self. Linkage to sadomasochisticm. Rather deconstructed grandiose self. Primitive idealised and persecutory relationships.
In my personal self analysis, I never needed to confront a death instinct. I doubt that neurotics have this drive. I've never studied it, no need - it did not fit.
Is it reality-based 🤔 Psychoanslysis is not for everyone. Many are too damaged, in my view of society.
One of the best speeches on CZcams!
41:00 malignant narcissism destructive tendencies ambivalent loved object drawn into ego. Melanie Klein. Ideal and paranoid.
1:13:00 amygdala, neuro biology questions. Cortical steroids and atrophy. Question. Hypetarousal disassociative states. A. Affect storms. Approaches. Negative attitudes with sexual repression. Firm decision for patients by therapist. Unrealistic fear, relationship ethics. Use of fear in the therapist. Limbic/prefrontal cortex not understood in analysis. Violent repetition and later learned experience. Neurobiology affect. Neuro Transmitters.
15:00 rewatch start
1:02:00 speech ends and questions
53:28 self destructive motivation
Elimination of all significant others
the first guy who asked the question clearly didn't understand a word of what was being said here. Such a dumb inappropriate question. This topic is a new step stone towards understand complex self destructive behavior.
Self-destructive behavior is not innate or natural, it’s a result of inabilities to free oneself from stress.. I have seen this in animals, and it’s the only time animals engage in self-mutilation, besides a OCD issue
1:07:00 Barriers to remaining and falling on love. Extension of aggressive drive as death drive. Group psychology, idealisation of a political figure. Answer. Affects and drive. Instinct,. Bergen and Wilson. Inborn perception mechanism triggered by environment. Instinctive disposition. Unconscious meanings. With object relationship. Hyperactive amygdala.
That sounds like Laconian nonsensical understanding.
what about those that self destruct by taking drugs?
Probably differs for each person. You'd have to analyze the function for each individual. For some, it may be driven by the death drive.
14:50
1:03:00 nirvana and ego dissolution? Unity with the totality of the world. Not a death drive. Mindfulness, cognitive behaviour and subjective exploration. Self reflection in analysis is more objective not concrete with significant others.
he sounds like woody alan
Just drop drives.
No defeet no bad feelings other than vivid realizatin i was right all my life and still have same problems as i have BPD but not same as he is saying tring to embaress the patiant through therapy then say they feel stoopid for wanting to feel about a way of life much like the gays we finaly excepted is a real thing but the heart broken beat by capitolisam are wrong for saying the playing table is rigged by us or the government the bank or the church you cant say that thats wear my job turns in to slave masters right hand with a whip telling them to run back in to what did destroy them and do to there makeup as a human will only happen again. ??? Im right. Prove me wrong without now bringing in some form of christian mystasysem or western thought in reflection of western reality to justfy it. Then i ask you who are you actually working for at end of day how smart are you and did😮 you not see you are just jutifying man kinds short commings and justifying there continued existance for church bank government. You are locking suffering in to reality by having your view of reality cuz you not smart enough to understand reality.
Me new Jung and ya I lost my mind getting to this point for mankind. Its my job did you not know.
I did not pick my job no man would want to do this but had to be done to show the world how things are really operating right now.
Boring intro
absurd mythology
Starts at 14:50
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appreciate it!