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  • Intellect or Instinct: Must We Choose? A Contemporary View of the Death Drive
    THE NEW SCHOOL | www.newschool.edu
    The Oscar Sternbach Memorial Award is presented to Otto F. Kernberg, MD, former president of the International Psychoanalytical Association. His lecture, The Death Drive: A Contemporary View of the Controversy, is a critical examination of Freuds theory of the death drive based on psychoanalytic explorations of aggressive motivation in cases of both severe and borderline character pathology. He questions the assumption of an innate self-destructive drive but affirms the inborn nature of aggressive affects and the clinical relevance of Freuds concept. Cosponsored by the National Psychological Association for Psychoanalysis and the Department of Social Sciences at The New School.
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    * Location: Theresa Lang Community and Student Center, Arnhold Hall. 10/10/2008 8:00 p.m.

Komentáře • 49

  • @MrWhooy
    @MrWhooy Před 11 lety +27

    Starts at 14:50

  • @LunaLu-00
    @LunaLu-00 Před 6 lety +23

    "..but we do find self-destructive suicidal behaviors also in patients who are not depressed but have severe narcissistic personalities where sense of defeat, failure, humiliation, in essence the loss of their grandiosity, bring about not only feelings of extremely devastating shameful defeat and inferiority but a compensatory sense of triumph over reality by taking their own life thus demonstrating to themselves and to the world they are not afraid of pain and death; to the contrary, death emerges as an even elegant abandonment of depreciated worthless world."

    • @kirstinstrand6292
      @kirstinstrand6292 Před 5 měsíci +1

      If they don't off themselves, they most likely will experience a narcissist collapse in old age.

    • @jac585
      @jac585 Před 25 dny

      How about addressing the thing that made the him afraid in first place so you Don t have to feel like you are dying just to overcome it to impresses you and others. Like fix the world not the patent or get out the way stop drugging people trying to fix your world so others Don t have to slay your our ancesters dragons for them.

    • @jac585
      @jac585 Před 25 dny

      ​​@@kirstinstrand6292or they saw a much better way of living you all are blind to and you are seen as enjoying the things that make others suffer with your god Rome and capitalist heart.
      Your heart tells you no thats not it sir. Then I ask you how many out of 10 people suffer from a neurological disorder on earth? So we are talking billions you say in western world all forced to be Jesus worshiping capitalists loyal to laws locked in stone not to move by our uneducated ancestors so we can slay there dragons for all times ? Its impressive to your mind its my life and ya BPD bipolar and can point why it happened and how. So keep brainwashing people in to new ideas about a reality set in stone that moves and makes you suffer.

    • @LunaLu-00
      @LunaLu-00 Před 25 dny +1

      @jac585 but who is going to "fix the world"?? And how you would "fix" a person with NPD? This happened in their childhood probably to do with his caretakers, so they do have to "slay the ancestors dragons" but I am not sure if NPD can actually be cured? It would be interesting to find out if someone with that disorder actually was able to help himself and without the dr*ugs("medicine"). I am also against medicating, BTW.

    • @jac585
      @jac585 Před 25 dny

      @@LunaLu-00 me I fix the world every time I show them what has been going on and why suffering exists. And if you think im a narcissist you need to read again I have to do this its all my mind dose to point out the cracks and the people who fall in them and have no pride in doing no joy I just do it cuz I was made this way some people shove s it. For a living even today. The world id jacked billions mentally ill not ill just stuck in current system of controll same system of control Russia and china and Manny Manny Manny other nations are doing right now today to stop the new Rome empire that failed man thousands of years ago and failed today. No more rothchild bank wars or silent preachers and controlling government. Me my people arr going to shut this down.

  • @LendallPitts
    @LendallPitts Před 4 lety +6

    A fascinating talk by the world's greatest living psychologist. Kernberg's approach, Transference Focused Psychotherapy, traces its lineage to Object Relations Therapy and Melanie Klein, then bi-passes Ego Psychology (the least spiritual form of psychology in my opinion) and goes straight back to Freud. As a Lacanian Freudian I believe that Freud's discussion of the Todestrieb in Jenseits das Lustprinzips is one of the most succinct and brilliant passages in the entire literature of psychology, but I nevertheless appreciate Dr. Kernberg's attempt to interpret it in light of contemporary schools and trends Kernberg, by the way, says that he is "a closet cognitive behavior therapist," which I find quite amusing.

    • @recipehacker9752
      @recipehacker9752 Před 2 lety +2

      That is amusing, indeed. I wonder what prompted him to say that?

  • @imogensharma
    @imogensharma Před měsícem

    Strengthening the cortical functions of cluster B people must be done along with somatic therapies - or the patient will get worse. Speaking from experience. The field must stress the importance of this or you are just making people worse and it feels like planned obsolescence. My own self work has been far more useful than any therapist or psychiatrists I have seen, and these types of discussion have been pivotal. Thank you for sharing!

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +2

    55:00 structures. Psychic Structure. Good exposition of Freuds famous Ego Superego.

  • @Vib.H
    @Vib.H Před 2 lety

    So relatively short, but very good, it can be done / said!

  • @jonahthomerson8209
    @jonahthomerson8209 Před 11 lety

    @MrWhooy - Thank you very much! Saved me 14:50 minutes.

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +1

    1:00:00 paranoid and self destructive transfer with therapist of representation and affects.

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +2

    31:30 repetition compulsion PTS.

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +2

    37:35 negative therapeutic reaction

  • @JKF8592
    @JKF8592 Před 12 lety +1

    He got the point...

  • @basscataz
    @basscataz Před 13 lety +3

    i love it! spread the word! watch carefully & share @ 44:23 !

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +2

    1:24:00. Q:. Death drive. Secondary phenomenon. Self destructive behaviour. Struggling to have a self and identity. Objects seemingly enemies to be destroyed. A: bad self to salvage a good self. Self destructiveness. Suicidal and severe depression. Malignant narcissism, no integrated good self. Self psychology value, self objects and introspection. Aggression is the decomposition of the self. Linkage to sadomasochisticm. Rather deconstructed grandiose self. Primitive idealised and persecutory relationships.

    • @kirstinstrand6292
      @kirstinstrand6292 Před 5 měsíci

      In my personal self analysis, I never needed to confront a death instinct. I doubt that neurotics have this drive. I've never studied it, no need - it did not fit.
      Is it reality-based 🤔 Psychoanslysis is not for everyone. Many are too damaged, in my view of society.

  • @anchy0301
    @anchy0301 Před 3 lety +1

    One of the best speeches on CZcams!

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +3

    41:00 malignant narcissism destructive tendencies ambivalent loved object drawn into ego. Melanie Klein. Ideal and paranoid.

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +1

    1:13:00 amygdala, neuro biology questions. Cortical steroids and atrophy. Question. Hypetarousal disassociative states. A. Affect storms. Approaches. Negative attitudes with sexual repression. Firm decision for patients by therapist. Unrealistic fear, relationship ethics. Use of fear in the therapist. Limbic/prefrontal cortex not understood in analysis. Violent repetition and later learned experience. Neurobiology affect. Neuro Transmitters.

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +2

    15:00 rewatch start

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +2

    1:02:00 speech ends and questions

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety +2

    53:28 self destructive motivation

    • @Retrogamer71
      @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety

      Elimination of all significant others

  • @cofiking23
    @cofiking23 Před 11 lety +2

    the first guy who asked the question clearly didn't understand a word of what was being said here. Such a dumb inappropriate question. This topic is a new step stone towards understand complex self destructive behavior.

  • @nicolej8502
    @nicolej8502 Před 4 lety +3

    Self-destructive behavior is not innate or natural, it’s a result of inabilities to free oneself from stress.. I have seen this in animals, and it’s the only time animals engage in self-mutilation, besides a OCD issue

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety

    1:07:00 Barriers to remaining and falling on love. Extension of aggressive drive as death drive. Group psychology, idealisation of a political figure. Answer. Affects and drive. Instinct,. Bergen and Wilson. Inborn perception mechanism triggered by environment. Instinctive disposition. Unconscious meanings. With object relationship. Hyperactive amygdala.

  • @JT2012a
    @JT2012a Před 12 lety +4

    what about those that self destruct by taking drugs?

    • @lordtains
      @lordtains Před rokem +1

      Probably differs for each person. You'd have to analyze the function for each individual. For some, it may be driven by the death drive.

  • @SurrenderPink
    @SurrenderPink Před 6 lety

    14:50

  • @Retrogamer71
    @Retrogamer71 Před 5 lety

    1:03:00 nirvana and ego dissolution? Unity with the totality of the world. Not a death drive. Mindfulness, cognitive behaviour and subjective exploration. Self reflection in analysis is more objective not concrete with significant others.

  • @geoffvador
    @geoffvador Před 12 lety

    he sounds like woody alan

  • @sergiosatelite467
    @sergiosatelite467 Před 9 měsíci

    Just drop drives.

  • @jac585
    @jac585 Před 25 dny

    No defeet no bad feelings other than vivid realizatin i was right all my life and still have same problems as i have BPD but not same as he is saying tring to embaress the patiant through therapy then say they feel stoopid for wanting to feel about a way of life much like the gays we finaly excepted is a real thing but the heart broken beat by capitolisam are wrong for saying the playing table is rigged by us or the government the bank or the church you cant say that thats wear my job turns in to slave masters right hand with a whip telling them to run back in to what did destroy them and do to there makeup as a human will only happen again. ??? Im right. Prove me wrong without now bringing in some form of christian mystasysem or western thought in reflection of western reality to justfy it. Then i ask you who are you actually working for at end of day how smart are you and did😮 you not see you are just jutifying man kinds short commings and justifying there continued existance for church bank government. You are locking suffering in to reality by having your view of reality cuz you not smart enough to understand reality.

    • @jac585
      @jac585 Před 25 dny

      Me new Jung and ya I lost my mind getting to this point for mankind. Its my job did you not know.
      I did not pick my job no man would want to do this but had to be done to show the world how things are really operating right now.

  • @olivercroft5263
    @olivercroft5263 Před 4 lety +1

    Boring intro

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 2 lety +1

    absurd mythology

  • @arlieferguson3990
    @arlieferguson3990 Před 3 lety +6

    Starts at 14:50

  • @dmaribrst
    @dmaribrst Před 6 lety +1

    14:50