THE BEST WAY TO MAKE YOUR MTB HUB LOUDER!! (HOPE)
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- čas přidán 8. 02. 2021
- This video is a full tutorial, Showing you how to make your hope pro 4 hub extremely loud.
Making your hub louder will make your hub wear faster. I would advise keeping a small layer of grease around your pulls.
Filmed with the Iphone 12 Mini - Sport
I heard you can make your car louder by draining all the engine oil😅
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Exactly this is what they are doing 😂😂😂
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'it gives a really good knocking effect and everyone will hear u coming' 😂
STEP 6: DON'T DO THIS IT WILL DESTROY YOUR HUBS
Well, it won't
@@The_Real_JN it will, you need to regrease* it before, also the tension will be higher than it’s supposed to on all the pawls and will make the teeth inside the hub wear out quicker
@@sufyanm4661 there's actually be no substantial evidence grease significantly reduces wear on the pawls
@@The_Real_JN grease is to keep water out, not a lubricant. it keeps water away from the bearings and stops them from getting worn out and crunchy. The pawl issue is from the extra tension of the springs, they’re not designed to be at a higher tension
@@sufyanm4661 yeah the seal that sits behind the cassette freehub body is what keeps water out, not the grease
Real name of the video should be "The best way to ruin your mtb rear hub"
Well depends if u putt on greas shouuuuuuld be ok
@@piggerspoggers6824 Yeah but he doesn’t put any grease……… Your rear hub must always have grease or at least some oil
Wait I’m confused should I do this or not?
@@jackgoodison4640 no
@@jackgoodison4640 it should be fine if you DON'T use WD40. Just use soap and water to clean. Then regrease everything after the modification. If you have a more modern bike (I think 2015 onwards) the rear hubs are made with harder metal to stop corrosion and rust. You should be fine if you grease it all up again after. Remember, don't use WD40!!!
Sound is friction. To maximize noise on my track bike, I simply poured beach sand into my hub. I estimate this added around 1.3hp to my crank as well.
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Haha, More friction= a better workout! Especially when you're PEDALING ALWAYS!
My fixed gear commuter wheels use 45 year old Campy Record hubs. I got them new in 1977! I wonder how long they would have lasted packed with sand??
A really old track racer's trick is to pack your hubs with simichrome silver polish / ride NO MORE than 200 feet/ degrease THOROUGHLY and change the balls, use light oil for lube. It works great but you'd best NOT ride far!
I'm surprised I haven't seen an idiotic video like this before, but it's always job security for mechanics like me!
Boom!🎉😂
Thank you for upload sir, you forgot step 6 never put on the music, let viewer listen to the sound of the HUBS. Thanks
BRUH im confused why did he not add greas to make it louder??? Is it not going to wear ???
@@piggerspoggers6824 grease makes it not wear as fast but is quieter
@@swisscarlover3942 but the metal on metal ouch .
you mean step 6 use it without grease to break it faster than ever
yes agreed..make a vid and ask us to listen to the music.
Step six: never do this from the video.
Why? Ist works
@@straitlinesender2837 As a bicycle mechanic I strongly advise against this. removing the grease from the hub is very bad can cause corrosion and very fast sleitage would not be the first time I come across rusted hubs. and folding the feathers provides more friction. if you really want to make it sound louder, put a very light oil in it and repeat this after X number of rides and certainly not spray with wd-40 in your hub, it could also destroy your wheel bearings.
@@denzellagaysse8757 i didnt do that tho, my hub is Loud enough for Now.
@@straitlinesender2837 Not saying you did do it. Just saying its bad and should not do it. Even tho it (works). just helping out
@@denzellagaysse8757 yeah i know, i also really recommend against Taking all the grease out
Wd-40 will destroy the bearings grease. When you put it inside the hub, it will go to the bearings.
Well said my friend he has not got a clue 🤣😂
Exactly. Instead use a non solvent based oil.
@@natearellano4919 he was using it as a degreaser not lubricant
@@declan4245 But he sprayed it in to the hub, right on to the cartridge bearing. That will destroy the grease that the bearing contains also.
I like the way he torqued the hub to spec and showed the cassette freely rotating without any resistance
this should be called: "How to destroy your hub the fastest way possible."
Couldn't you just tape playing cards to rub against the spokes?
:D the money you'd save yourself than doing this...
like me at age of seven...
Grow up .. use a milk carton
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Ahahaha
Spraying WD-40 into your freehub (so the part of the freehub at the wheel) is a pretty bad idea. The WD-40 will get into the bearings of your wheel and obviously degrease them which will lead to a failur of the bearing. Also installing you freehub without any grease is a pretty bad idea
No one do this the grease is there for a reason you will destroy the paws and whole hub
The pawls are cheaply replaceable, its the ratchets on the inside of the hub thatll fuck it up
@@rrv2003 because the pawls are grinding against the ratchet, true.
Had mine like this for over a year and it's been perfect....some people just are clueless.
Congratulations you just successfully decreased your hubs lifespan in half ❤️
This is an effective way to wear your hubs down quick
Not if u add greas
@@piggerspoggers6824 did you even watch the video? he DIDN'T put grease on it. that's why people are saying this
Oil works fine.
@@natearellano4919 yeah I think it’s better with oil since it still has protection while sounds great
here's a trick. make a video about showing how loud the hub will be, but add music to it, so you can hear how loud the hub will be. k.
Majority of Filipino "Bikers" would love this. lol. Hub noise > Skills/Discipline
and always in flip flops
No way! Hope hubs are already loud enough. Why destroy a good quality hub? I would not recommend bending those pawl springs. If you want it louder use sram butter or somewhat lighter grease!
bro i really need some help, like this or next day. I have a dartmoor reel pro hub with 102 poe, and i don't have any clue what type of grease should i put in that hub. I found a shimano premium hub grease, but i don't really know if it is good for my freehub body. Help me, should i put some sram light grease or is that shimano one good enough? oh also, i foun a shimano grase made for shimano freehub microspline hubs.
@@0ShortsKing0 any light grease should be fine. Thicker grease will just hold the pawls and make like sticky sound. Won’t be loud at all.
@@SuperRalph35 ty guys! To avoid any type of grease that shouldn t be put there, i took off the pawl ans spring, wiped allthe grease from the ratchetand pawl and put some ptfe oil in there, just on the pawls. The bearing are covered in grease.
wd-40 is used as a temporary fix for rusted parts. It will become a drying agent after a week that will bore out your bearing cage and ruin your hub. For this to work you would need to take apart every week. This can also cause the bearings in freewheel to jam into pins and freeze the freewheel causing crash.
The grease's only job was to balance the color of that neon green gasket anyway
So basically your are reducing spring and pawls life and also adding more drag just for a louder hub... brilliant
The grease is there to protect the hub bearings too.
I’m not making you do it just showing how it can be done. 👍🏻
it’s more like a triangle in making your hub louder and you can only chose one: grease and harder springs - oil and slightly bend springs - bone dry but factory springs, otherwise you will ruin your hub and how it supposed to work
@Kylan Ira mad man
More drag? The grease would add more drag.
@@natearellano4919 Grease add drag? Yes, but if you add tension over the pawls you also add drag even if there's not grease.
Manufacturer put grease there to reduce friction and avoid premature wear. Wear won't destroy the hub like other comment says, but is common that the pawls start failing at the engage, they are supposed to engage all at the same time, when the wear is done they don't and it start making an annoying "creak" while pedaling.
You can see that kind of drag in cheap hubs where there's too much tension on the springs and the bike pedals with the hub (and with normal bearings not the ceramic ones where it is normal)
If you wanna make it louder the safe way you can clean the grease and use freehub oil like the one from Dumonde Tech. it will make it louder, reduce friction, and prevent wear, it won't last and protect bearings as the grease but it'll make the job on the pawls.
I work in a bike shop and I can guarantee we don’t do anything like this especially spraying WD-40 near disk brakes. You spraying that near the rotor gave me severe anxiety
Just put double springs in as they seat together nicely and can keep it
well lubed, too.. makes it soo loud, as obvs the double springs push the pawls back twice as hard.
Tried this on my I9 hydra. I bent the leaf springs and man what a difference. I cleaned most of the grease but left some in. Wouldn’t personally recommend using WD40 as lubricant
Does it wear the hubs out?
@@harry_music9001 technically they will wear faster yeah. But it’s not a big difference. Worth it in my opinion
WD40 is not a lubricant.
Water Displacement.
For us bike mechanics though, please continue to use as much WD40 as you can :)
This is what grease comes to play, and also WD-40 isn't a lubricant,
This is stupid, no grease in the hub? Better off buying a actual louder hub not destroying your current one...
What's funnier is if you look closely when he spins the cassette it doesnt even glide it just stops instantly 🤕🤕
Awesome! Like taking the oil out of the engine…yep, sounds different.
putting it all back together. with no grease. welp nice way to wear down your pawls and destroy your freehubs.
You mean to tell me that internal metal on metal moving parts do not actually in grease to function long term properly, amazing!
Yes it does make your hubs louder but they will get damaged so try using less or thinner grease a good thing that lots of people do is mix lubricant like tri-flow and a little grease to make the grease thinner making the hub louder and still keeping it lubed so if u want to make ur hubs louder use thinner grease!!!!
you can have double springs also. by design they simply slide over each-other and will have twice the tension
PLEASE NOBODY DO THIS. The creator does not know what he is talking about. Yes it would make your hubs louder but this is because when you remove the grease, the pawls hit into the hubs teeth directly with nothing in between them. What this means is that you will reduce the life of your hubs significantly. Removing the grease could void the warranty as well. If you just leave the grease in there it will sound the same but will last longer. The sound does not improve your performance. Instead save your money and get a better hub with higher points of engagement. This way you could even sell your old hubs and save a lot of money. If you follow the videos instructions, you will be left with a ruined hub and be put in a position where you NEED to replace it. Since you were not prepared for this, you could be having to take money you didn't want to spend, leaving you with a lower budget and worse hubs than the ones you began with.
Thanks for your comment! You are correct, removing the grease can shorten the lifespan of the hub. I do actually state this in the description and of course these actions should only be taken after careful consideration.
you can put plastic cups on your tire to make it sound louder 😂
dont use grease, cause the clickets will stick down a bit, but some quality wet chain lube is necesary
What about the tacky/snotty Lucas oil engine assembly lube to make the 120t engagement freehub less noisy? Seems like grease eventually gets pushed out of the way while tacky oil might flow back in place without seeping out too much.
@@uvwuvw-ol3fg if you mean to the teethet two ring hub like at DT, there are many contact point between the two rings, and because of this, is enough a small amount of oil, but anyway will be noisy
@@endremajos2566Not sure if hpfe Krytox GPL205g2 grease will work up to the hype in terms of longevity since it has been marketed to have good wetting on metal surfaces due to low internal tension.
You could put pieces of cardboard on your bike, flapping in your spokes when you ride, also makes cool sounds
Thank you very mutch i love this song in my bike
Ever hear of sound lmao 😂 😅🤣 sure would have been nice anyway good job on the visual
El video debería de llamarse "Todo lo que no debes de hacerle a una masa"
Love hope stuff, but my personal experience is that the bearings are made of butter and the factory lubricant is such a small amount that the bearings have to be taken apart and greased properly before installing. Also making your hub louder will increase wear on your springs and pulls. Bending the springs like that could cause the spring's to snap and cause damage to the internals. But hey! Everyone has different options and preferences
Best way to make them louder is to double up the pawl springs but it will have the same result as removing the grease, more friction so more wear.
How do I do this please
@@CannondaleF700 slot one spring into another and push it in, I don’t recommend this as if you wear out the drive ring in the hub it cannot be replaced.
3:05 brief but exciting music starts here.
Clothes-pinning some playing cards to flap in your spokes is something all the cool kids did back in the early 1970's when I had a bike with a banana seat, sissy bar, and ape hanger handle bars. The girls had streamers hanging from their grips so you could tell it was a girl bike.
you use thinner longer lasting hub oil to make it louder not strip the entire thing of life and increase drag with the leaf springs
The Koozer chromoly cassette body and Koozer hub I have are made to be dry. They are extremely durable, my playground consists of a three foot steel ramp, walls, elevated walkways, stairs and pavement in the city
I just put a empty water bottle with the cap off and put it around the little hole between the frame and the wheel, it won’t destroy your hub but may wear your tire down a bit
Dirt bike noise 😂
This should be titled "The best way to take 90% of the life from your free hub" Thank you
Sounds great but good luck with warranty when they open it up and see no grease at all. That will wear out much faster now unfortunately
I'm sure hope will be happy to replace on warranty when he tells them he sprayed wd40 into them
fun trick!
have you tried using a lighter oil (sumat like chain lube) instead of the grease?
would be interested to see a side-by-side wear comparison... i doubt it's a very noticable difference :P
That’s a great idea for another video. Keep an eye on this space I will do a comparison soon for sound and wear
The pro 4 hubs are so affordable it's worth it.
Don't replace grease with oil. There is a reason grease is there instead of oil...
@@danielmartins4367 oh yeah ik there is a reason. It is more affordable to just buy a new louder hub. But if ur planning on buying a new hub soonish than y not make ur hub louder with the short time you will use it.
@@shredditsbiking how’s it more affordable to buy a hub there expensive
I understand why you wouldn’t use grease it will cause pawls to stick over time and then it will slip ,but not sure if oil is better option?
Most of the new bike highends comes with this sound I d0nt know how, maybe because of ceramic bearings?
Cards in the spokes will simulate the sound you want!
One of my riding mates, has a pro4 hub, all he just put double springs into the hub, and didn't touch the grease. It doesn't wear, and louder than this one
R.I.P Ratchet's and Pawl's
Nice video. First time I see the inside of a freewheel ! So what makes it not working? My polishon premier 5 free hub not working. Rear tyre not moving while paddling.
bearing failure.
Great guide!
Hope you didn’t get wd40 into the bearings!
this video title should be renamed to:"how to contaminate your rotors, get water inside the ratchet and ruin ur hubs"
I just put a playing card in my spokes. That makes my bike plenty loud and does nothing for performance. Is that kind of the same thing?
What lockring are you using I can not find one that fits these freehubs I have bought like 5 an none fit please help me I'm stuck
Goodluck for the chain kickback and broken pawls and spring.
don’t do this the grease is in there for a reason
It’s totally okay to remove some grease and use a lighter lubricant (like some chain oils). It does increase wear, but not drastically.
Wow lodi amazing
Watching and support
and boom ! you just got yourself a freehub that will last half of its normal life!
Does hub work after 2 years?
If I clean my son's bmx hub, how long should I expect it to be broken? drives daily
Hello
My original freehub had 3 pawls in it
But can I buy any new 6 pawls freehub and fit on the old one??
How do I know any freehub can fit any brands?
Does it come with different patterns and sizes?
I'm using entity hubs
Thanks.
Are you using a hope hub?
@@henrysummerside5158
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I'm using this one
@@tiptopimdakillah3776 Looks like a rebranded formula hub. Go look for some 6 pawls formula compatible hubs. There is a higher chance of that working than buying some random 6 pawl hubs
I am going into the 3rd week waiting for a delivery for a Shimano free hub for my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo . They say in it shipping but can't say when it will arrive . Summer flying by and I can't ride. The number on mine is fh-mt510-b . Would any of the other models be compatible ? I need the 28 hole version.
Buy a Novatec hub, cheaper and in stock everywhere!
ima poor kid built a 2007 kona coiler dee-lux myself downhill ima trust you n try this out i’m just gonna leave some grease in there
GREAT IDEA DUDE
I've seen that you can buy another set of leaf springs and stack them ontop of each other
So when’s the update on how long until they were trashed??
Wow , i mean i didn't even tightened enough the freehub cassette ring
Hi sir I am one of your subscribers in manila philippines . I would like to ask something is the HOPE 4 PRO can fit in 2x10 setup
Yes I have it in a 10 speed setup on my bike, however I use a single speed setup at the front. This wont make a difference so you will be all good 👍
if you want to make your hope pro 4 louder just add some of them springs
What size rim and spoke to install the hubs like this
Is louder hub makes you faster or slows you down? How does it affect the speed?
To be honest dude it doesnt affect your speed at all. However makes you sound the best out on the trails and keeps any walkers out the way
@@henrysummerside5158 ...while increasing your mental fatigue/anxiety during long rides due to noise pollution. Shame manufacturers got sucked into the loudness wars since the appearance of Chris King hub.
@@uvwuvw-ol3fg Exactly! Are some of these people aware that others of us get out in nature on our bikes to specifically get away from the rush and noise of our daily lives? I know I do! They already modify car mufflers to make 'em sound louder...great.....now that mindset is coming to my nature trails...? Maybe then I should just strap an old school boom box to the back of my bike instead of using ear buds. Noise? You want noise? Okay....
Only Trials riders or something like BMX track racers need to do this as it gives a more instant engagement between the cassette and the crank. were talking 100ths of a second.
When ever I do this I only clean the springs and pawls your driver needs grease or it will chew it's self up
Is this the bike equivelant of the "Riser-fart-can"?
I was going to say that putting a bottle or can in the back wheel is but that when I was younger was basically a remap or an engine swap 😂😂😂
The Grease acyuallys protects the ramps for the spring pawls, when there is no lubricant the
pawls they will scour the ramps removing the anodizing and eventually remove the ramps completely.
then there will be ZERO sound, and you WILL need a new hub.
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1000th sub
Lol! 😫
Just spotted this clip. WD40 where the WD stands for water displacer. Can't even tell if it's louder than it was before, it might be, likely irrelevant by now as that hub's probably fubar and in the bin anyway. 😬
People who say it will destroy your hubs and all that either have been unlucky or just talking rubbish the absolute worse to happen if you do this is maybe paws and springs wear out and bearings do to! All which are pretty damn cheap to replace i had a stock mdk hub that came with my downhill bike I completely degreased the whole hub and freehub it was bone dry with no oil or grease in sight. Then i put 3 extra springs into the hub the old wrap around style and had it like that for about 4 years the paws were a little worn and the bearings were abit gritty but it was perfectly fine! Some people are just scaremongering people doing new things! If you can’t afford a few bearings and springs dont do it simple as 🤦♂️
The worst that could happen is you ruin the drive ring which is not replaceable. Aka you’d need a new hub… it won’t affect your bearings in any way. As someone who services hubs on a daily basis I can tell you the wear increase with stronger/double springs and oil instead of grease is obvious.
Yes and then watch as the cassette locks up and throws you 30ft, all the while breaking a few bones you can live without for a few months
Bruh that happened to me to on a mountain going 230 km and shit I hade my seat to hight and the rear locked and ended up braking both my arms what a good way to decent it 😏
Just add some sand for extra effect.No,but seriously,this is the classic botch people do which ends up ruining pawls and springs in no time.If you wanna make it louder and not destroy it do this:Open it up like shown in the video,clean the grease with a degreaser soaked rag(DO NOT PUT DEGREASER INSIDE THE HUB,IT FUCKS THE BEARING GREASE!).Tensioning the springs is optional,beware that they may break and they will wear out faster if tensioned too much.Add a few drops of a thick oil(gearbox oil works well and is cheap)on all metal to metal surfaces.Put on the freehub and spin it a bit to spread the oil.If satisfied,reassemble like this,if it sounds muffled,you added too much oil,just take it back out and whipe the excess with a clean rag.Hope this helps someone and saves some mechanic an awkard conversation.
I like how this is about making it louder, but he muted the whole video
The thing is... why? Just for sound? It can become pretty annoying.
And you forgot to re-apply the grease, I believe.
Just showing how it can be done dude. I personally believe if you want to spend the money on sound purchase a i9 hub. However not everyone has £1000 to spend on a hub. 👍🏻👍🏻
its not that annoying, and the reason i like clicks is so people know you're coming up behind them because i bike at a very busy park
Has anything happend since you bent the springs?
It has been months and it’s all fine. I have put a thin layer of grease over the pulls to keep it from wearing and the sound is still great 👍🏻👍🏻
@@henrysummerside5158 nice ,can I use wet lube and not grease?
@@radu3647 don't use too much but yeh
they should have titled this HOW TO DESTROY YOUR VERY NICE AND EXPENSIVE HOPE PRO 4 HUB
The crazy thing is some people do this......a triumph of misguided vanity over mechanical common sense. Not sure why there was thick grease around the pawls in the first place.....don't do that either unless the manufacturer specifically says. Usually a small amount of oil. I use a runny semi- fluid grease to deaden the noise....partly as I don't want to sound like these " wallies"
God damn that was alot of paper towel 😂
Stock non modified Hope Pro 4 is very loud, why make it louder? it's pretty loud from stock
Just showing how it can be done dude. Not everyone has a hope hub 👍🏻
and then there is me who like silent hubs :')
I just did that to my hope rs4 steel body which comes with the pro 4, 4 pawl system...and 100% its gone louder and talking about the drag, ther is none! Sounds sexy
Finally someone has done it. Good effort dude hope you have a good summer and send some big jumps 👍🏻
@@henrysummerside5158 I don't even need a bell...coast behind people and they hear it like a bee is attacking them...my bike is a upper midrange hybrid bike...loving it
Don't do it the hub and paws won't last for long the grease is there for a reason
this vid should by named "how to break your hope hubs"
Hahaha... Hope hub with no more Hope
the thing that i dont get is, Why you want it to be louder ?
Thank- You God, Thank - You God, Thank - You God, Thank - You God...
I think better buy industry nine or profile with extra cash so it will last longer and also louder with grease
It will wear out quickly put a stick in the spokes that will make a sound like a bike with an engine we did it when we were kids
A playing card in the spokes would be much easier and cheaper
dude, look at the cassete, theres too much friction from the spring 5:11
for the love of god please put a disclaimer
Gettin that Green Ring back in the gib is such a Pain
Using needle nose pliers is the secret dude
@@henrysummerside5158 yep, hex wrench works too
Waawww nice
If it's louder it's probably wearing faster.. that's what I've concluded for the last 30 years anyway... Especially when it comes to engines and rotating assemblies 😂😂
How to make your wife's voice louder: Destroy your hub, then buy new full wheelset. This will make your wife make noise
Which hub manufacture sponsored you
THE BEST (AND QUICKEST) WAY TO DESTROY YOUR MTB HUBS!
Muppet engineering if you ask me