Because, despite men thinking that they are now marginalised or demonised, especially by the left, we can see here that their preferences reign supreme in thus situation.
Exactly. Dick in women's dressing rooms, fairness in sports, this expectation that we should rewrite the Entire Female Reproductive Lexicon ("chestfeeding", "birthing people" etc) to accommodate the minuscule number of transmen who still have ovaries and reverse their hormone treatments so they can even have a child. Women are radical to say hell no to all of that? How ironic that a key thrust of men wanting to live as a woman is that they have the "right" to make Women feel unsafe in their private space and screwed over on their athletic achievements. Not a savvy way to get welcomed into the club.
The arrogance of Ed Balls claiming that people in the centre ground all think like him. He’s so utterly surrounded by an echo chamber he can’t fathom someone/others having different views. The bias on this show is disgusting
@@Thatssomebadhatharry1 I want to vote Labour - I really do. The conservatives totally and irreparably destroyed my profession economically and culturally (policing) that I left after 22 years. I am homeless as well. Labour is riddled with these ridiculous ideas and has become unbelievably authoritarian in some of its ideological positions - I can’t vote for either
Ed Balls: “I think I do know what most people think.” Kathleen Stock: “Yes. Well I can see that.” Top response. Despite being shouted down, KS won that debate.
Kathleen Stock is a classic reluctant hero. She clearly isn’t seeking controversy or trying to be ‘radical’. She is holding to her principles and maintaining her ground on science, truth and material reality. All the while with dignity, calmness and thoughtful dialogue. When one lives in a mad world, someone like her becomes an easy target for the feeble-minded rabble.
@@toperic02 How stupid did he sound, when they change into a woman? Which part about biology was Ed struggling with, where's Pierce when we need him :-)
KS was not even expressing an opinion - she was stating a biological fact about male and female anatomy and sexual reproduction. In mammalian species, including humans, a male cannot become female, or vice versa. That's a brute fact. And it is not being kind or polite to facilitate somebody else's delusion if they are chasing an impossible goal that is inevitably doomed to failure - although that may be the easiest option.
Knowing there are only two sexes, that humans cannot change sex and that women don't have penises, Balls thinks is an 'extreme position'. How ludicrous. If anyone is holding extreme views here it is him.
why would someone how was mediocre in one division give up winning in the female division. These trans are narcissists. They love bending people to their will and whims.
Yes, he asked long, clumsy questions and talked over the amswers. I'm not a big fan of Piers Morgan but he gets to the point and shuts up when he gets an answer. Kathleen Stock was remarkably patient throughout.
Kathleen is amazing. I hope she goes on to have a brilliant career and Sussex University is eternally ashamed of itself for allowing her to be pushed out.
The way Balls spoke to stock was ridiculous. The hosts clearly do not know what Stock thinks or has said; and they clearly do not understand the issues. Stock has never been anything but polite and reaonable. She is the furthest thing from extreme.
Kathleen thank you for standing up so strongly against such huge opposition. I have tears of respect and appreciation listening to you and holding your argument so well. You are a true heroine for women.
Biologist here. We fully acknowledge that sex/gender are two different things, and humans can fully identify as another gender since it's a social category. Please don't misrepresent biologists and scientists.
@@RichardMcDonald93if gender is a social construct, why do trans need hormone blockers. X Y sex chromosome are defined under gender, not sex. Doesn't that idea make sex and gender the same.
@@jamespope7669 Read my main comment on this video: gender is informed by sex but clearly as human beings in an incredibly complicated social world there are many things that can derail the 'default', much like heterosexuality can be derailed by endocrinological circumstances in vitro. Trans people cannot change sex but they can change a couple of major biological indicators for sex (that's all sex is, just a range of indicators), and so changing those helps them to feel as though they have edged closer to an alignment between their social gender and their 'sex', while not able to align fully.
@@RichardMcDonald93 No, you are a self-proclaimed biologist opining on sociology and the manifestations of psychological disorders. What you obviously are is an ideologue, which has no place in the hard sciences. Studying biology at uni doesn't make you an authority on what gender is. The fact that you are using the classic appeal to authority as the basis of your argument is bad enough, but appealing to your own authority is actually pretty laughable.
@@RichardMcDonald93 A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female. Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic. Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for? Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want?
If trans ideology isn't sexist, then why would a man ever need to "transition" if either sex is completely free to act however they want? How can you claim to be opposing sexism when the whole basis for anyone feeling the need to transition, literally is sexism? How is gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? Or simply their PERSONALITY? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
Well now, be fair. He said the nice thing to her after he heard the only other man in the room speak fairly of her. Only then can he throw her a bone. 🙄 #dicksbeforechicks
Yes he could listen to a man's point of view.... I also think he might have got a message to change his attitude he seemed way to arrogant to have worked out for himself how rude he was being even after all the times the other guy called it mansplaining.
Watching such an intelligent, courageous woman waste her brain and time on such idiotic “dialogue” is painful. “Why can’t you just call them women?! Oh well I don’t think women can have penises.” “I think I know what most people think.” “Aren’t you causing a lot of upset?” How are adults paid actual money to ask such stupid questions? It’s like they’re intellectually incapable of processing logical thought. Staying calm and speaking at a level volume makes her interlocutors seem crazy and makes her seem what she is: the only sane person in the room. Kathleen is such an inspiration. Cindy and Kevin at the end at least sounded like they had brains.
as others have said she totally outclasses them with logic, facts, reasonableness and clarity. It's simple not within science's gift for people to change sex: It can't happen. God bless Professor Stock!
Ed Balls: "Someone who transitions and wants to be a woman, I think it's fine to call them a woman. I don't know why you don't want to allow them to make that choice." You don't know why? BECAUSE YOU'RE A MAN!!! I'm a woman, and no man is going to appropriate my womanhood. I've had three children, have gone through the pain of periods, pregnancy, childbirth and menopause. My sufferings are the exclusive possession of women.
Does he think that trans identified men go all the way and have sex reassignment surgery? I don't think Ed knows that over 90% of trans identified men retain and want to retain their male appendage.
"I know what most people think" - I'm afraid you don't Ed. Stock would have the huge majority on her side in this debate, that is an absolute certainty. Tip for Ed - let the people you are interviewing speak.
She totally got him there. Obviously that was a ridiculous thing to claim. Then he had to admit women don't have penises....I don't think he knows that saying this will get him called an extremist now.
It’s sufficient to watch at the like/dislike ratio on this comment section. Pro Kathleen comments get 150- 200 likes, pro-Balls 0 or 1. And this is NOT an echo chamber channel.
I didnt know that he was a mind reader. Amazing. He should have thought what we all think of him. Self righteous. Bigoted. Delusions of grandeur. Oh and a twat.
This is so fucking bizarre. Imagine telling someone in 2010 that the then-Secretary of State for Children would be presenting GMTV in 2023, and that he'd be desperately trying to portray a leading Philosophy Professor as an extremist because she believed that men and women were meaningful and seperate categories. They wouldn't even have the frame of reference to know what the hell you were talking about. It's like watching something beamed in from a mad parallel universe.
He tried to paint her as an extremist, and posit himself as the moderate centrist voice of reason- and then through the course of discussion made it abundantly clear that HIS position is the more extreme one, more resistant to discussion and debate 😂
Finally someone who is willing to call out this nonsense. 100% agree with the professor. It's absurd that society generally is just playing along with this fantasy. Well done Kathleen.
It's infortunately also ignored by lots of men. Not all men. Lol. None of these hetero dudes would ever actually have sex with a "lady penis" . But of course they must mansplain to a lesbian female what a woman is. I'm so sick of these obnoxious hypocritical bastards.
The interviewer needs to learn to shut up. He asks a question and when Kathleen answers and HE doesnt like that answer HE over talks her, so rude. I likecto listen to Kathleen. This interview was one sided as they would notblisten to her.
Unfortunately he's one of a few that's like that. If you don't let the other person speak, it shows you are afraid of them gaining ground through to the strength of their argument. Piers Morgan does all the time when he raises his voice and constantly interrupts them. The guests are simply platforms for him to declare his own views. They are not interviews or conversations.
Never realised ed was such an arragant joke. Theres not two extremes, theres one extreme invading womens spaces and shouting down any one who with a rational opinion. This panel has no spine. I fully support kathleen!
Even though I haven't been a labour supporter since Corbyn became their leader, I always liked Ed, but man, my opinion on him has drastically changed. What a buffoon.
There is nothing extreme about Kathleen's position. This debate has become crazed. It's not about what we call someone who has transitioned, it is about, as Kathleen says, where the limits are for safety and fairness.
The gaslighting from these presenters is unbelievable. Rather than listening to what Kathleen has to say and understanding her point of view, they are just trying to force their own ideological beliefs onto her. Kathleen was the only voice of reason through this entire interview.
The most idiotic thing about this interview is that the views of the aptly named Balls aren't his actual views. He's just pandering and doing a pathetic job of it. You know in private, this sexist fossil who speaks over women rather than listen to what they are saying would 100% agree with Stock's opinion that biological sex is binary-male and female-and a small percentage of people suffer from gender dysmorphia so only feel content living as the opposite sex, which is perfectly fine, but this does not make them the opposite sex.
Why is it "madness". Is colour-blindness or synaesthesia - conditions where people perceive things differently to typical people - "madness"? Is just because it involves sex you start clutching your pearls?
Exactly. They want to be called….whatever their pronouns are, which is fair enough. I dont have an issue with that. BUT then when a woman wants to say she is a woman, she is not allowed. PATHETIC.
This gender stupidity must be stopped but i read that in 1947 the Nürnberg code these operations are against that law and Russia will not let happen in Russia
@@gloriaf6971 Yeah, she could be potentially affected by a man declaring himself a woman. We have separate, private spaces based on biological sex for a reason. Have you ever felt uncomfortable taking your clothes off near random members of the opposite sex? Well that feeling doesn't go away just because those people say they're a different gender now.
@@gloriaf6971 She would be if a man takes all his clothes off next to her in a changing room. its called survival instinct, which has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years.
@@gloriaf6971 Indulging other peoples delusions is affecting others i.e. rapists in women's prisons, safe places, personal spaces and sports. And now we are seeing children being given life changing medical and surgical 'treatments' as doctors 'affirm' their delusion. Pure evil being done now because we started pretending people can change sex and it won't end until we stop pretending.
6:34 disgusting. He won't even allow her to reply, he's got to talk over her. You just know he would never treat a "trans woman" that way if they were the guest, he'd never be pushing back that hard on their magical sense of themselves as a woman, he would not be offering counter arguments about why they're not in fact women, and he would not be talking over their answers. 7:17 "I'm telling you it's complicated." Smug Wayne-kerrr. I don't like the term "mansplaining" nowadays, but wow, was there ever a better example of this guy mansplaining to a woman who has written a book on the subject how he is "TELLING" her it's complicated. Thanks for that Ed! I'm sure Professor Stock had no clue!
Yes, he is mansplaining to her what a woman is. She's too intelligent for this arrogant fool who is too sure of himself and his telepathic ability. "I know what most people think!" Whoa.
@@yannos2007 Fighting for equality you say? I do know a little bit about that after almost four decades of marching, demonstrating and campaigning for homosexual equality, so tell me, what rights are trans folx missing?
Kathleen Stock is talking basic common sense. Her job is to investigate the scientific evidence dispassionately and report on the results. I am appalled that people are treating her so terribly.
Ed Balls doing what so many men do, mansplaining to a woman what a woman is, and apparently he thinks he knows what most people thinks. He is so wrong most women agree with Kathleen Stock and we are sick of being told that men can be women, when they can't and aren't. Balls doesn't have to have his rights infringed upon and eroded, nor his identity appropriated and in many cases made a mockery of by these men, nor does it affect the language used where as women are demeaned by the use of dehumanisiing language all for the sake of the feelings of men. Kathleen Stock is an intelligent woman making sensible well considered arguments, and who speaks for most women despite what Ed Balls thinks and says, if only the other side was as considered and intelligent as Kathleen Stock.
I didn’t know that. Biological son or daughter? He did say he doesn’t believe a person with a penis is a woman. So then it seems he’s saying only a fully transitioned male can be a legal women, but I don’t think that is true. Who can change legal sex from biological sex and what physical requirements are there?! Depends on locale I’m sure too.
@@jamesfindlay7186 They do but they are unprincipled cowards who are frightened of being cancelled, so they play along and don't care what harm it does to others.
How have they demonised someone simply talking sense… just go buy her book to support her even if you don’t want to read it because she’s literally under attack for defending women’s existence at this point. She’s had her job, career and income ripped away from her. Buying her book was all I could think of to pay her back for what she’s going through but bloody hell I hope she starts a political party because I’d vote for her over the idiots we have in all parties at the moment ❤
What are the two extremes? Biology is an extreme? Why does he constantly refuse to let Kathleen Stock speak? He constantly tries to interrupt with his views that are clearly incoherent. Ms Stock outclasses everyone as usual.
The very fact that the question posed is, "What is a woman?" and not, "What is a man?" says a huge amount about the differences in how women and men are perceived and understood in our society
Ed's last words "personally I hope you get a proper and respectful hearing tomorrow and the chance to say the things that are important to say". Pity he didn't do that himself!
Well if transgender people not fighting for LGBTQ+ rights (look up Stonewall), this lesbian transphobe would not be able to express her views, and have rights!
@Ikori Tispapadias I know all about stonewall and what they represent and many people have expressed concern as they have lost there way . And Stonewall have far to much say in institutions. When mild fair minded people like kathleen Stock are punished for speaking the truth of how this affects Women's rights there is something very disturbing happening in our Society.
@@yannos2007 No arguments. Just abuse. Sums up the position of the transactivists really and why public support is falling away from them. You have to engage with the debate. You have to address her points in a reasonable and logical fashion.
Fine, call trans-women women in certain circumstances if they have transitioned and it makes you feel better about yourself, but they are not LITERALLY women. Why is that so hard for these people to comprehend? It's certainly not an extreme viewpoint!
Great interview. Stock makes clear and cogent requests. A conversation must be had, there can be no ‘no debate’ on this because this affects more than half of the human population vs half of 1%. And their obsession with harming kids must end.
Yes , I'm sick of woke people re inventing words, look up any old dictionary and the word gender means biological sex male or female, been that way for 1000's of years. There should be no need for debate as it's so bloody obvious what a women or a man is.
The arrogance of this man, who has always been something of an absurdity. A few minutes in when she Kathleen Stock challenges him on what he he thinks he knows - there is a look of sheer pride and contempt. Says it all.
Misogyny still rules. Women we must stand up to this and stop this eroding of our words, sports (even if it’s being stopped at elite level - it’s still needs sorting at grass roots) and safe spaces.
It isn’t misogyny that is the driver of this. It is the outcome of progressivist ideology, which has a majority of women. It’s history is founded in the likes of Foucault and Baker, queer and feminist ideology. The founding principle is that gender -and biology - are social constructs, and that society invents these norms, which are arbitrary. The idea of the blank slate is either explicitly or tacitly approved. More traditional groups like conservatives and religious groups, which are generally male-centric, are actually the groups most critical of the current trans issue. It pays to keep in mind that trans groups consist of both biological males and females, it’s just that trans women get all the attention from the media. I think it is important to understand what drives this. If we believe it is “the patriarchy” then we are barking up the wrong tree, and will fail to see the limitations and problems within progressivist ideology.
@@powerandpresence5290 , while I completely agree with you, I do see that misogyny enables this part of the ideology to grow and take hold. Look at old Eddy, for example, he can't see why blokes in dresses, blokes who've been convicted of rape, shouldn't be housed with vulnerable women in prison. He is a misogynist, and many women are too, pandering to males. Many women detest other women.
How the fuck is women wanting their privacy, safety & fair competition an extreme position.
It isn't, but as long as these idiot media types get to frame it that way the trannie woke crybullies gain ground.
They’re saying no to the patriarchy
Cause autogynophiliacs want to get off.
Because, despite men thinking that they are now marginalised or demonised, especially by the left, we can see here that their preferences reign supreme in thus situation.
Exactly. Dick in women's dressing rooms, fairness in sports, this expectation that we should rewrite the Entire Female Reproductive Lexicon ("chestfeeding", "birthing people" etc) to accommodate the minuscule number of transmen who still have ovaries and reverse their hormone treatments so they can even have a child. Women are radical to say hell no to all of that? How ironic that a key thrust of men wanting to live as a woman is that they have the "right" to make Women feel unsafe in their private space and screwed over on their athletic achievements. Not a savvy way to get welcomed into the club.
The arrogance of Ed Balls claiming that people in the centre ground all think like him. He’s so utterly surrounded by an echo chamber he can’t fathom someone/others having different views. The bias on this show is disgusting
People in the Establishment think they are the centre ground whereas in reality they are *culturally* far-left.
Sadly he’s labour and many of my originally supported party are like him . Hence why I feel politically homeless
@@Thatssomebadhatharry1 I want to vote Labour - I really do. The conservatives totally and irreparably destroyed my profession economically and culturally (policing) that I left after 22 years. I am homeless as well. Labour is riddled with these ridiculous ideas and has become unbelievably authoritarian in some of its ideological positions - I can’t vote for either
Ed doesn't seem to realise that what he's said about women not being able to have a penis makes him a transphobe.
He is so ignorant he doesn't even realise how ignorant he is. Why does he have a job? I mean ANY JOB?
Ed Balls: “I think I do know what most people think.”
Kathleen Stock: “Yes. Well I can see that.” Top response.
Despite being shouted down, KS won that debate.
Yes. Brilliant. She's very quick and really let Ed Balls show himself for the fool he is
Yer, she's far more intelligent than old balls.
reminds me of a certain interview with Cathy Newman a few years ago. But this woman is smarter than JP and doesn't try to Jesus smuggle.
Kathleen Stock is a classic reluctant hero. She clearly isn’t seeking controversy or trying to be ‘radical’. She is holding to her principles and maintaining her ground on science, truth and material reality. All the while with dignity, calmness and thoughtful dialogue.
When one lives in a mad world, someone like her becomes an easy target for the feeble-minded rabble.
Kathleen Stock. An intelligent & courageous woman & a voice of reason in a world of madness.
And Ed Balls: a simpleton!
Women who stop bullying women and look who is the real enemy of woman rights
Well why does she want to emulate a man then???
@@toperic02 How stupid did he sound, when they change into a woman? Which part about biology was Ed struggling with, where's Pierce when we need him :-)
@@matt-wx8su You support strict gender stereotypes?
Even without a poll, I'm confident the majority of citizens would agree with Kathleen's common sense reality.
Absolutely
KS was not even expressing an opinion - she was stating a biological fact about male and female anatomy and sexual reproduction.
In mammalian species, including humans, a male cannot become female, or vice versa. That's a brute fact.
And it is not being kind or polite to facilitate somebody else's delusion if they are chasing an impossible goal that is inevitably doomed to failure - although that may be the easiest option.
Not all of us ...some of us dislike hatred
@@matt-wx8su Where has Stock shown hatred? Can you please specifically point out what part is hateful?
@@matt-wx8su The ones showing hate will be protesting at Oxford.
Kathleen is so damn brave for even being on this show. Most of us couldn’t handle this attack.
she destroyed him in the most polite way possible
Transwomen haven't been banned from cycling. They've been banned from competing against women. They can compete in an open.
That’s a common straw man for the radical left
Knowing there are only two sexes, that humans cannot change sex and that women don't have penises, Balls thinks is an 'extreme position'. How ludicrous. If anyone is holding extreme views here it is him.
why would someone how was mediocre in one division give up winning in the female division. These trans are narcissists. They love bending people to their will and whims.
Where they will no longer be allowed to cheat
They can complete in their sex category or make a new one.
Balls sounded like a complete tool. I felt sorry for Kathleen up against such idiocy.
Well said. Spot on.
Yes, he asked long, clumsy questions and talked over the amswers. I'm not a big fan of Piers Morgan but he gets to the point and shuts up when he gets an answer. Kathleen Stock was remarkably patient throughout.
Balls needs to grow a pair.
Na, he made her look awesome lol.
He’s really gone down in my estimation.
The framing of Kathleen Stock as fringe extremist is shameful and cowardly
Kathleen is amazing. I hope she goes on to have a brilliant career and Sussex University is eternally ashamed of itself for allowing her to be pushed out.
The way Balls spoke to stock was ridiculous. The hosts clearly do not know what Stock thinks or has said; and they clearly do not understand the issues. Stock has never been anything but polite and reaonable. She is the furthest thing from extreme.
I’m with Kathleen, these TV hosts are rubbish!
The 2 panel guests were more sensible.
The hosts aren’t very smart, rather than listen they preferred not to and were rude. Typical morning role out.
Of course, you are! I would not expect a bigot to know better!
@@yannos2007 what part of the comment do you consider bigoted ?
Notice how Ed talked over Kathleen but treated the other guests with respect.
She is so measured, calm, common sense. Nothing she says is even remotely hateful.
What a gracious and well-spoken woman, maintaining her integrity despite the constant rude interruptions.
Oh the gaslighting…unbelievable. Sending you every good wish Kathleen.
He's incredibly rude and full of himself; he's always being this way. He was needlessly argumentative with Kathleen compared to other guests.
He’s extremely emotional, isn’t he.
He was in Tony Blair's government.... what do you expect?
He's a former Labour MP, what would you expect?
His son is a trans activist cross-dresser. nuff said.
Kathleen thank you for standing up so strongly against such huge opposition. I have tears of respect and appreciation listening to you and holding your argument so well. You are a true heroine for women.
Kathleen Stock comes across as far more reasonable than the interviewers and presenters - standards in TV really have declined...
The idea that biology is considered an “extreme view” is pretty extreme.
Biologist here. We fully acknowledge that sex/gender are two different things, and humans can fully identify as another gender since it's a social category. Please don't misrepresent biologists and scientists.
@@RichardMcDonald93if gender is a social construct, why do trans need hormone blockers. X Y sex chromosome are defined under gender, not sex. Doesn't that idea make sex and gender the same.
@@jamespope7669 Read my main comment on this video: gender is informed by sex but clearly as human beings in an incredibly complicated social world there are many things that can derail the 'default', much like heterosexuality can be derailed by endocrinological circumstances in vitro.
Trans people cannot change sex but they can change a couple of major biological indicators for sex (that's all sex is, just a range of indicators), and so changing those helps them to feel as though they have edged closer to an alignment between their social gender and their 'sex', while not able to align fully.
@@RichardMcDonald93 No, you are a self-proclaimed biologist opining on sociology and the manifestations of psychological disorders. What you obviously are is an ideologue, which has no place in the hard sciences. Studying biology at uni doesn't make you an authority on what gender is. The fact that you are using the classic appeal to authority as the basis of your argument is bad enough, but appealing to your own authority is actually pretty laughable.
@@RichardMcDonald93 A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female.
Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic.
Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for?
Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want?
If trans ideology isn't sexist, then why would a man ever need to "transition" if either sex is completely free to act however they want? How can you claim to be opposing sexism when the whole basis for anyone feeling the need to transition, literally is sexism?
How is gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? Or simply their PERSONALITY? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?
The irony of Ed Balls hoping KS get a good hearing when he spoke all over her and didn’t give her a fair hearing !
Well now, be fair. He said the nice thing to her after he heard the only other man in the room speak fairly of her. Only then can he throw her a bone. 🙄 #dicksbeforechicks
Yes he could listen to a man's point of view.... I also think he might have got a message to change his attitude he seemed way to arrogant to have worked out for himself how rude he was being even after all the times the other guy called it mansplaining.
Blimey, the woman in yellow took it from bad to worse.
This interview is actually hilarious. 'i think I know what most people think' 'yes I can see that you do' 🤣
Hosts are Woke, towing the line for ITV. Thank you Kathleen for standing up for real women.
Watching such an intelligent, courageous woman waste her brain and time on such idiotic “dialogue” is painful.
“Why can’t you just call them women?! Oh well I don’t think women can have penises.”
“I think I know what most people think.”
“Aren’t you causing a lot of upset?”
How are adults paid actual money to ask such stupid questions? It’s like they’re intellectually incapable of processing logical thought.
Staying calm and speaking at a level volume makes her interlocutors seem crazy and makes her seem what she is: the only sane person in the room. Kathleen is such an inspiration.
Cindy and Kevin at the end at least sounded like they had brains.
She is the only sane person in the room😂
Ed wanted Kathleen to lose her cool, but she held her own.
She wiped the floor with him. He sure made himself look a bit puerile.
I hope they read the comments.
Well said Kathleen. Voice of reason.
@@tbay101Yes! Kathleen never loses her cool that's why she's so compelling to watch and listen to (imo).
@@lucymcc8436 she is amazing!
I am 100% with Kathleen Stock
Me too!
I hope she starts a political party!! I’d vote for her any day!!
Kathleen Stock calmly and comfortably presents her intelligence over the interviewers understanding 🙂
as others have said she totally outclasses them with logic, facts, reasonableness and clarity. It's simple not within science's gift for people to change sex: It can't happen. God bless Professor Stock!
Ed Balls: "Someone who transitions and wants to be a woman, I think it's fine to call them a woman. I don't know why you don't want to allow them to make that choice." You don't know why? BECAUSE YOU'RE A MAN!!! I'm a woman, and no man is going to appropriate my womanhood. I've had three children, have gone through the pain of periods, pregnancy, childbirth and menopause. My sufferings are the exclusive possession of women.
Does he think that trans identified men go all the way and have sex reassignment surgery? I don't think Ed knows that over 90% of trans identified men retain and want to retain their male appendage.
"I know what most people think" - I'm afraid you don't Ed. Stock would have the huge majority on her side in this debate, that is an absolute certainty. Tip for Ed - let the people you are interviewing speak.
She totally got him there. Obviously that was a ridiculous thing to claim. Then he had to admit women don't have penises....I don't think he knows that saying this will get him called an extremist now.
It’s sufficient to watch at the like/dislike ratio on this comment section. Pro Kathleen comments get 150- 200 likes, pro-Balls 0 or 1. And this is NOT an echo chamber channel.
@@MassimoAngotzi😂😂❤
His son is a trans activist, so probably explains why he took this tone...
I didnt know that he was a mind reader. Amazing. He should have thought what we all think of him. Self righteous. Bigoted. Delusions of grandeur. Oh and a twat.
Ed Balls is lucky to breathe the same air as this woman.
I love Kathleen Stock, she's such a brave and dignified woman
Balls son is a rich posh trans activist who cross dresses. Surprise surprise that Balls went so hard.
My God...Joel Balls is a trans activist! Now it makes sense...
So a man in a dress called Balls. Perfect.
Wait really? Oh now it makes sense why he was so emotional. Actually makes me feel a bit sorry for him…must be hard to psychologically cope.
Actually I looked it up and I’ve seen no evidence the son is trans. Just that the son supports trans activism.
This is so fucking bizarre. Imagine telling someone in 2010 that the then-Secretary of State for Children would be presenting GMTV in 2023, and that he'd be desperately trying to portray a leading Philosophy Professor as an extremist because she believed that men and women were meaningful and seperate categories. They wouldn't even have the frame of reference to know what the hell you were talking about. It's like watching something beamed in from a mad parallel universe.
He tried to paint her as an extremist, and posit himself as the moderate centrist voice of reason- and then through the course of discussion made it abundantly clear that HIS position is the more extreme one, more resistant to discussion and debate 😂
Finally someone who is willing to call out this nonsense. 100% agree with the professor. It's absurd that society generally is just playing along with this fantasy.
Well done Kathleen.
This man is embarrassing himself.
Jk Rowling said it best. Denying the difference between men and women is preposterous and anti female.
It’s also anti male but that gets ignored.
It's infortunately also ignored by lots of men. Not all men. Lol. None of these hetero dudes would ever actually have sex with a "lady penis" . But of course they must mansplain to a lesbian female what a woman is. I'm so sick of these obnoxious hypocritical bastards.
We're with you Kathleen.
I love that Edd (a bloke) is telling a woman what a woman is. God bless the patriarchy.
I’m late to this comment, but YES, you’re so right
The interviewer needs to learn to shut up. He asks a question and when Kathleen answers and HE doesnt like that answer HE over talks her, so rude. I likecto listen to Kathleen. This interview was one sided as they would notblisten to her.
Unfortunately he's one of a few that's like that. If you don't let the other person speak, it shows you are afraid of them gaining ground through to the strength of their argument. Piers Morgan does all the time when he raises his voice and constantly interrupts them. The guests are simply platforms for him to declare his own views. They are not interviews or conversations.
Never realised ed was such an arragant joke. Theres not two extremes, theres one extreme invading womens spaces and shouting down any one who with a rational opinion. This panel has no spine. I fully support kathleen!
Even though I haven't been a labour supporter since Corbyn became their leader, I always liked Ed, but man, my opinion on him has drastically changed.
What a buffoon.
It’s one extreme correct.
The ‘other side’ are explaining why the extremists are wrong
Absolutely right…spineless!!
Ed is trying to be clever and be popular, but he fundamentally agrees with Kathleen 100% behind the camera.
@@Moomeena
And you know that because……
Kathleen Stock is a brave woman
There is nothing extreme about Kathleen's position. This debate has become crazed. It's not about what we call someone who has transitioned, it is about, as Kathleen says, where the limits are for safety and fairness.
The gaslighting from these presenters is unbelievable. Rather than listening to what Kathleen has to say and understanding her point of view, they are just trying to force their own ideological beliefs onto her. Kathleen was the only voice of reason through this entire interview.
The most idiotic thing about this interview is that the views of the aptly named Balls aren't his actual views. He's just pandering and doing a pathetic job of it. You know in private, this sexist fossil who speaks over women rather than listen to what they are saying would 100% agree with Stock's opinion that biological sex is binary-male and female-and a small percentage of people suffer from gender dysmorphia so only feel content living as the opposite sex, which is perfectly fine, but this does not make them the opposite sex.
This is a woman. We must support her. This gender madness has to stop.
Why is it "madness". Is colour-blindness or synaesthesia - conditions where people perceive things differently to typical people - "madness"? Is just because it involves sex you start clutching your pearls?
Absolutely 💯
Exactly. They want to be called….whatever their pronouns are, which is fair enough. I dont have an issue with that. BUT then when a woman wants to say she is a woman, she is not allowed. PATHETIC.
I don't care if she's a woman or not. The point is she is talking common sense and I support free speech and debate.
This gender stupidity must be stopped but i read that in 1947 the Nürnberg code these operations are against that law and Russia will not let happen in Russia
Kathleen Stock being thoughtful intelligent and rational challenging a ludicrously out of depth Ed Balls
The irony is the only reason I know about this woman and her opinions is because of the protestors, thanks for giving her the spotlight guys 😂
A man saying he’s a woman and the law saying he’s a woman, doesn’t make him a woman.
What is it to you? Are you affected by this person living as a woman?
@Gloria F she's just stating a fact, leave her alone.
@@gloriaf6971 Yeah, she could be potentially affected by a man declaring himself a woman. We have separate, private spaces based on biological sex for a reason. Have you ever felt uncomfortable taking your clothes off near random members of the opposite sex? Well that feeling doesn't go away just because those people say they're a different gender now.
@@gloriaf6971 She would be if a man takes all his clothes off next to her in a changing room. its called survival instinct, which has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years.
@@gloriaf6971 Indulging other peoples delusions is affecting others i.e. rapists in women's prisons, safe places, personal spaces and sports. And now we are seeing children being given life changing medical and surgical 'treatments' as doctors 'affirm' their delusion. Pure evil being done now because we started pretending people can change sex and it won't end until we stop pretending.
6:34 disgusting. He won't even allow her to reply, he's got to talk over her. You just know he would never treat a "trans woman" that way if they were the guest, he'd never be pushing back that hard on their magical sense of themselves as a woman, he would not be offering counter arguments about why they're not in fact women, and he would not be talking over their answers.
7:17 "I'm telling you it's complicated." Smug Wayne-kerrr. I don't like the term "mansplaining" nowadays, but wow, was there ever a better example of this guy mansplaining to a woman who has written a book on the subject how he is "TELLING" her it's complicated. Thanks for that Ed! I'm sure Professor Stock had no clue!
That's what happens when someone doesn't have a valid agreement. They try to overshadow the facts.
He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. This was embarrassing to watch. What's wrong with the world when media can't accept basic biology?
@@mortagon1451 : Did he ever have a clue about anything? Balls is a balls up!
@@howardjones7370 I wasn't even aware of who he is. I just clicked because I saw Kathleen Stock.
Yes, he is mansplaining to her what a woman is. She's too intelligent for this arrogant fool who is too sure of himself and his telepathic ability. "I know what most people think!" Whoa.
This professor is really spot on. Don't be intimidated Professor Stock. After all this movement has put you through proves you are a strong person.
Ed Balls truly is the bell-end’s bell-end
I'm sick of men mansplaining and women being handmaidens. I don't know how Kathleen Stock kept her cool. I'd explode.
4:15 "women who aren't sexually a woman" 🤦♀ That's a new one. Biological males or males or men - that's the group of people you're talking about, Ed.
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Kathleen Stock should be a role model
I'm with Kathleen God help this planet in the next few years, The world is going completely bunkers 😢
The way he keeps interrupting her as well... Holy hell. Can she finish a sentence mate?
Kathleen Stock standing up for women and girls, as well as same sex attracted people. She is intelligent, decent and fair. I stand with her.❤
Me too.
You cannot be fair when you try to protect your rights by bullying another social group
@@yannos2007 Tell trans radical activists that and see how far you get.
@@misterstubbs1611 love it when anyone who fights for equality is called "radical" by bigots😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@yannos2007 Fighting for equality you say? I do know a little bit about that after almost four decades of marching, demonstrating and campaigning for homosexual equality, so tell me, what rights are trans folx missing?
The women in yellow is also a cowardly bully. This is disgraceful 😮😮😢
Ordered my copy of Kathleen Stock's latest book this morning. I imagine her publisher is very pleased indeed. Can't wait to read it. 💪
Kathleen Stock is talking basic common sense. Her job is to investigate the scientific evidence dispassionately and report on the results. I am appalled that people are treating her so terribly.
Ed Balls doing what so many men do, mansplaining to a woman what a woman is, and apparently he thinks he knows what most people thinks. He is so wrong most women agree with Kathleen Stock and we are sick of being told that men can be women, when they can't and aren't. Balls doesn't have to have his rights infringed upon and eroded, nor his identity appropriated and in many cases made a mockery of by these men, nor does it affect the language used where as women are demeaned by the use of dehumanisiing language all for the sake of the feelings of men. Kathleen Stock is an intelligent woman making sensible well considered arguments, and who speaks for most women despite what Ed Balls thinks and says, if only the other side was as considered and intelligent as Kathleen Stock.
Whatever he may think, I can assure you that while Kathleen Stock speaks for most women, Ed Balls certainly doesn't speak for most men.
@@richardburton7704 That's good to hear.
This woman is sharp! Courageous and brilliant.
100% agree with Kathleen, keep strong and know that a large percentage of decent people are behind you xx
Ed thinks most people think like him? Has he read the comment section here!
Ed Balls has a child that’s trans, therefore it’s unsurprising he has rationalised himself into believing nonsense.
I didn’t know that. Biological son or daughter? He did say he doesn’t believe a person with a penis is a woman. So then it seems he’s saying only a fully transitioned male can be a legal women, but I don’t think that is true. Who can change legal sex from biological sex and what physical requirements are there?! Depends on locale I’m sure too.
I bet his child will be outside the school gates waiting for their kids in 10 years time.
@@janekennaway8008we can but hope but then again perhaps not.
Ed balls so rude and no idea what he's talking about. He won't accept a difference of opinion. And Charlotte no idea either.
‘I can see that..’ Kathleen is brilliant clever and beautiful. Unflappable. ❤️
This is absurd ! We all know what a woman is!!! 🤦♀️
STARMER STURGEON AND HUMZA USELESS DONT
At least we did, up until ten years ago. Turns out, though, we were all extremists, back then.
Balls tied himself up in knots trying to avoid saying it....
@@jamesfindlay7186 They do but they are unprincipled cowards who are frightened of being cancelled, so they play along and don't care what harm it does to others.
@@sheffieldzamo7444 CORRECT ITS HARD TO BELIEVE THESE IDIOTS ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY
She’s amazing.
How have they demonised someone simply talking sense… just go buy her book to support her even if you don’t want to read it because she’s literally under attack for defending women’s existence at this point. She’s had her job, career and income ripped away from her. Buying her book was all I could think of to pay her back for what she’s going through but bloody hell I hope she starts a political party because I’d vote for her over the idiots we have in all parties at the moment ❤
'Material Girls' is an excellent book. It's 'gender critical', but that isn't the same thing as 'transphobia'.
We can see where ed stands on all this BS
I love Ms Stock, she’s a brave woman !
Ms? Professor she is, my dude!
@@uncletungsten5253 Supercilious comment !
@@lawsonspedding6136 good. Then know your place if you feel someone else superior over you. And respect professorships.
What are the two extremes? Biology is an extreme? Why does he constantly refuse to let Kathleen Stock speak? He constantly tries to interrupt with his views that are clearly incoherent. Ms Stock outclasses everyone as usual.
I am 100% with Kathleen Stock, as do the majority of the country.
"i do know what most people think"
The arrogance of these people is austounding.
Facts have no feelings, they are just facts.
Kathleen is just stating facts.
Biological science is the factual truth. Nothing more needs to be said
The very fact that the question posed is, "What is a woman?" and not, "What is a man?" says a huge amount about the differences in how women and men are perceived and understood in our society
Ed Balls mansplaining to a woman what a woman is!!!!
Kathleen Stock must be so angry and exhausted of the ridiculous crap that's just blindly flung at her.
yeah, welcome to clown world 2023. It would make any normal person exhausted.
Wow, that was an incredibly hostile interview by BOTH presenters.
Ed's last words "personally I hope you get a proper and respectful hearing tomorrow and the chance to say the things that are important to say". Pity he didn't do that himself!
Wow, Kathleen Stock is terrific.
Full support to kathleen she's just fighting for womens rights. This is not extreme
Well if transgender people not fighting for LGBTQ+ rights (look up Stonewall), this lesbian transphobe would not be able to express her views, and have rights!
@Ikori Tispapadias I know all about stonewall and what they represent and many people have expressed concern as they have lost there way . And Stonewall have far to much say in institutions. When mild fair minded people like kathleen Stock are punished for speaking the truth of how this affects Women's rights there is something very disturbing happening in our Society.
EXACTLY!
@@yannos2007 No arguments. Just abuse. Sums up the position of the transactivists really and why public support is falling away from them. You have to engage with the debate. You have to address her points in a reasonable and logical fashion.
@@rogerflack415 usually straight people are those who attack and kill transgender people. When that changes we can talk again #anotherbigot
Fine, call trans-women women in certain circumstances if they have transitioned and it makes you feel better about yourself, but they are not LITERALLY women. Why is that so hard for these people to comprehend? It's certainly not an extreme viewpoint!
It’s not possible to transition.
Great interview. Stock makes clear and cogent requests. A conversation must be had, there can be no ‘no debate’ on this because this affects more than half of the human population vs half of 1%. And their obsession with harming kids must end.
If only they had a presenter who was up to the task of interviewing Dr Stock.
If only Balls was as good as debating as he is at talking over people.
It causes me upset to see a woman redefined to include men. I’m sorry but that MAN makes my blood boil. Where has COMMON SENSE GONE?!🤯
Yes , I'm sick of woke people re inventing words, look up any old dictionary and the word gender means biological sex male or female, been that way for 1000's of years. There should be no need for debate as it's so bloody obvious what a women or a man is.
It is very scary the number of lesbians being attacked for standing up against these people invading women's spaces. LGB without the T.
There's a great deal of arrogance in the claim that someone can say they are something and then expect to be believed just because they've said it.
Kathleen, you have the patience of a saint !!!!!!
She holds her ground with grace 😎
She is so sensible and reasonable and I appreciate her bravery in standing up for facts.
600 philosophers objected to her views.
She means 600 people teaching gender studies.
So this guy's son is a cross dresser, makes perfect sense now.
Ed Balls is a lousy interviwer and is getting all mudled
I wish i had just an ounce of courage like this woman. Ms Stock keep speaking the truth
The arrogance of this man, who has always been something of an absurdity. A few minutes in when she Kathleen Stock challenges him on what he he thinks he knows - there is a look of sheer pride and contempt. Says it all.
Misogyny still rules. Women we must stand up to this and stop this eroding of our words, sports (even if it’s being stopped at elite level - it’s still needs sorting at grass roots) and safe spaces.
It isn’t misogyny that is the driver of this. It is the outcome of progressivist ideology, which has a majority of women. It’s history is founded in the likes of Foucault and Baker, queer and feminist ideology. The founding principle is that gender -and biology - are social constructs, and that society invents these norms, which are arbitrary. The idea of the blank slate is either explicitly or tacitly approved. More traditional groups like conservatives and religious groups, which are generally male-centric, are actually the groups most critical of the current trans issue. It pays to keep in mind that trans groups consist of both biological males and females, it’s just that trans women get all the attention from the media. I think it is important to understand what drives this. If we believe it is “the patriarchy” then we are barking up the wrong tree, and will fail to see the limitations and problems within progressivist ideology.
@@powerandpresence5290 The idea that gender is a social contruct that can slide along a scale day to day is truly assinine.
@@powerandpresence5290Progressivism goes back further than Foucault! It's rooted in the eugenics movement of the late 19th/early 20th century.
@@powerandpresence5290 , while I completely agree with you, I do see that misogyny enables this part of the ideology to grow and take hold. Look at old Eddy, for example, he can't see why blokes in dresses, blokes who've been convicted of rape, shouldn't be housed with vulnerable women in prison. He is a misogynist, and many women are too, pandering to males. Many women detest other women.
@@evieblessed You use the term misogyny as if its a person that does things.