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i love Anish, and I love the fact he talks about it so openly.
You beat me to the comment. Was just about to say that lol
I don't like him too much usually, but yes I love that he speaks openly and matter-of-factly here.
Because it's the truth if he was this solid of a player it wouldn't have been a surprise but he's not that's what's so confusing
What a stupid reason to be fond of someone
@@HarshPatel-bl9ym what a stupid comment to post
"I am not concerned about Hans, he is usually playing very bad" well said, Anish X-)
Misquote, he said he is not concerned about Hans cheating against him, as he usually plays very bad, so not cheating against him. Clearly Hans has an ingenious strategy to only cheat against Magnus. Cause fuck Magnus that's why.
@@supremespanker You seem dim.
@@supremespanker hans explained that that morning he looked into that line that Magnus played.
What anis said supports this as he said young players they play good if they have checked the lines and bad if they haven't. Which is what hans game now. With time and experience he might improve. (Provided magnus lobby doesn't prevent him from playing. Example chssdtcm)
@@parthsavyasachi9348 Why would he study for a line that Magnus has only ever played once and expect him to play it? He also missed a lot of things and gave a very awkward interview, the whole thing is just odd
@@eyolilth the key is that he wasn't expecting Magnus to play it.
He never said he was expecting Magnus to play it. Hans did say that he was looking rare lines because magnus has history of trying different things from lines against lower ranked player. Which is true based on what i observed from magnus.
In any way alternative explanation is that magnus told him in morning that he will play this line. This is because it was a board game and clearly there was no computer sitting on that table.
He never cheated against me, bc he usually played very badly....Lol.
There are swing levels.. due to the fact that he is young... Tell the whole sentence genius
They drew in their last game lol
@@youtubecensoringcomments7427 Yeah, genius!
The bar above Anish is actually telling his stance on this situation.
Drawnish giri for a reason
The best take on this whole situation. Neutral and clear depiction of what happend and what is happening.
So. I have some problems with the word neutral. I think he’s positioning himself with confidence and making an intelligent analysis and pondering of the situation. Although I think life is wider than the duality we’re used to be shown in media and religion, I think knowing how to positioning ourselves is really necessary.
Also giving advice to aspiring professional chess players. If you believe your opponent is cheating otb, then simply report suspicions and play on. You end up psyching yourself out of a win because you think you’re playing an engine.
All that does is affect your own career.
@@jadiellima8922 lol what?
He did not add anything. Tells what we all know. Lol
@@jadiellima8922 saying "I don't know enough to have an opinion" is better than to assume otherwise and be proven wrong later
Giri is very honest and quick neutral… very refreshing…
Even if Magnus is out of line. The fact that he openly congratulates other players for playing well against him or winning against him simply proves that Magnus is convinced that Hans cheating. That doesn’t mean Hans did cheat or that Magnus is right, it just means that Magnus ain’t salty about losing to him, he genuinely believes he was cheated. Besides he’s beaten Hans much more than the other way around
100%. Magnus is very respectful in defeat. Niemann is a special case for sure.
@@rhwing5095 you get what I’m saying though right? Magnus Carlsen has lost even to some very strong international masters but has never had a problem accepting the defeat
This comment should win the neither-here-nor-there Gold. 😊
@@lalappanlolappan2605 I guess lmao
@@lalappanlolappan2605 I’m just making the claim that regardless of Magnus being out of line Or not, I don’t think he’s doing it because he is a sore loser. He genuinely is convinced Hans cheated
Breaking news! GM Andrick Nortje has conformed this is a planned drama with both Magnus and Hans in on it. This drama will be escalated for the next 4 weeks after which a pay per view UFC fight will be announced between Hans and Magnus which will take place on the 26th of December, Boxing Day.
All of this is a magus carlsen master plan to increase overall viewership of chess thereby increasing revenue for all entities involved, pushing chess to truly global stage. This is the final, grand vision Magnus would like to execute for the betterment of chess before his retirement
All over twitter
Truly playing 5d chess out here
ye
But with the chess board, pawns = slap, piece = hook, rook = uppercut, queen = kick in the head, and finally if you get checkmated - a kick in the balls
I could've sworn boxing day was the 26th... 🤔
I wasn't even listening to Anish, I was watching the game.
Anyone else excited to see the end of the match being played? Lol
looks like a draw
@@Schmoqyyy for anyone seeing these comments and wondering they did draw.
@@ghosthunter0950 what did they draw?
Very nuanced commentary from Anish, as expected from the one and only true ‘draw’-master :)
Draw-master? I think he already has a grandmaster title in drawing.
@@richyalexander9206 same title Anish is always playing the draw card.
this is why anish is my idol. very straightforward person, shares chess knowledge that will help you improves a lot, and ofcourse MEME.
Next time I play 1. d4 and 2. c4 I expect my opponent to resign immediately!
I went down 100 ratings today resigning like this non stop after the match
Bro took a shot and nobody's talking about it lmao
what?
"the resignation speaks for itself"
Magnus is "trolling" Hans now in a Silent way...
Nice to see someone actually be honest.
Such well rounded take on this whole situation, agree with everything Anish just said
how many takes does one get?
Actually that is not what he said, he said Hans plays badly against HIM. That makes his comment a lot more nuanced.
Magnus didn't do the same when he lost to Pragg (17 years old) a couple of times ( not one time) and compared to Hans, Pragg's age is lower. So there may be an issue. And at the time Hans may not also have cheated. Time will tell what really happened. But I am on the side of Magnus, a world champion, who lost several games throughout several through career, will not do this just because he lost.
yeah all you have to do is watch Magnus when he loses, he takes it very well
I followed some Hans and Anish games and in a way he is right ✅️
"All I know is that my gut says maybe."
im beginning to think maybe "the chess speaks for itself" was an admission in plain sight.
It just seemed suspiciously a way for him to try and explain it away without being able to provide his own understanding.
It's troubling that most of the super GM's have been suspicious of him for a while. He had one of the fastest rating increases ever seen.
Which is why the utmost care must be taken to not accuse Hans of cheating without any evidence. If it turns out that the speculations are unwarranted it could be damaging to a young and talented player's career who is about to break into the super-gm territory.
@@trucid2 there's plenty of evidence. it's eye opening to see how people keep saying there's no evidence. might be some public neurotic about dishonesty and denial.
@@trucid2He is already guilty of cheating, he is not some young prodigy, where is your narrative coming from?
@@IdoF47 no, it is just countless of vocal sub 2000s Hans fanboys who follow his stream. The regular people and honest 2000+ rated players know there is plenty of evidence.
“Most”? Most have done the smart thing and kept their mouths shut. Also I’d rather take the opinion of Levon who’s been in the game longer, than of Nepo, who has made completely baseless accusations against people in the past
Finally a good take a normal take
Yea, very realistic and down to earth. These situations are difficult but especially in the middle of active going ons it can be destructive, and it's probably just best to let things be normal until there is time to think about it without the collateral damage.
Cheating accusations is honestly very funny coming from some other scenes, fps games in particular regularly get accusations of cheating, people 'seeing through walls' with strong predictions, when in reality they have played enough to know what to expect. They may make the same play 9 other times and it doesn't work, but its worth trying. They get accused of non legitimate aim, accusations of quick snaps or too clean tracking, ignoring that very strong players with a lot of experience are going to have normal or poor aim from time to time, but generally have good aim and sometimes pull off something crazy.
There may be suspicions. And they may be valid. Those players may indeed be cheating, not unlikely to be using subtle cheats woven into genuinely good play to sell the effect. But when you are in a tournament, there isnt time for these things. You collect yourself, push it out of your mind, do your best, and investigate it later. Don't let it get to your head and affect your play, and even more and beyond dont seed it in others heads and affect their games.
I don't necessarily disagree with magnus wanting to just not partake, it may be frustrating especially with his huge experience in the game. Especially if he is just very confident, super gms can identify engine moves really consistently as strange, or notice inconsistencies in move accuracy going all over the place. But i really think anish has the right mindset, even if you are suspicious of these things, push it away until it won't cause so much chaos. Let things play. If he was cheating, you know full well he's gonna make it clear he isn't in future games. If you wanted more potential analysis fuel, you wait. You get all the games and analyze. Now we have some maybes and an awkward interview and we just aren't going to get anything else. We're just gonna be stuck with a bunch of awkward drama that will eventually clear up, but no one knows the potential long form damage that may be dealt to the entire format.
Idk. Accidental rant but it's just an unfortunate situation. I really hope it doesn't devolve into tribalism as well, I've heard good points from both sides but i am nowhere near confident enough to say for sure. For now, i will accept the information i have and wait until i can learn more. I just dont want to see the community split and argue defending one or the other vehemently, especially because of the extra weight that comes with Magnus' prestige as a player.
We'll see what happens. For now, I will continue to watch the games and be impressed by their skill, since I'd never stand a chance against any of these players haha
Idk, Ben finegold said all this on the first or second day after the tweet... I honestly don't know why hikaru goes to such a length to pretend Magnus did nothing wrong, if the objective view is so obvious.
Lmao it's the same take everyone has. Even Danya and Hikaru said all of this...
3:50
Can someone explain to me why Magnus doesnt move his King to e7? He would be able to win that pawn in the next move because the bishop can't protect it and the pawn is attacked by the king and the rook
Because of the pawn...
Anish sounds very reasonable to me…
Thank goodness for a voice of reason.
I think mc believes it is not up to him to lead the direct way to resolve issue but rather to do so indirectly.
If so this is not a issue of problem with mc team.
"Doesn't mean that he cheats all the time".
That would be the logical thing to do. Cheating and beating no1 in the world is worth the risk for him.
Bone conducting headphones or even tiny skin tone colored earbuds are plausible. Especially how Hans had his hair that day almost completely covering his ears. Even something above modified to hide under his hair.. come on, there’s so many different ways to cheat nowadays
"He usually plays very badly" lmao welp
That mean when he play without cheat,with the other words,chess speak for itself
"If you can't deal with it, go to a therapist" get em anish
I've looked at some of Neimanns achievements. He has won many over the board blitz championships. Do you think it's possible to cheat at that speed in over ther board chess?
yes (i believe speed is advantageous), because both players don't have time, so all you need is 1-3 cheat moves and you're way ahead of your opponent on time and foresight. if you have 1 surprising cheat move, you can completely throw off your opponent and he will have no time to think or re-calculate. You know it's a top move but your opponent is confused or might not even realize it and play into your top move. As Magnus said, all he needs is 1 cheat move to win.
No
Nah I don’t think he cheated while playing. If snything he has gotten the game preps from magnus
He’s a ]
its the same as in most sports. People who are doped are already mostly very good in their sport, as is hans. But to gain the last inch to make it to the very top, is where a little cheating makes a difference. Hans is obviously a very good player regardless of him cheating otb or not.
Oh god i didn't listen to a word anish said the first time I watch the game took all of my attention!
great take by giri
Being caught cheating when you are nine is okay. Being caught twice means you never learned your lesson. I can understand why the other GMs would be suspicious. However, I think Magnus should be more direct about why he thinks Hans cheated so everyone else can also see the evidence.
But exactly because Magnus doesn't have proper EVIDENCE Hans is cheating that's why he doesn't say anything, and that's a safe decision from Magnus, rather than got sued because of defamation
@@Test-mq8ih Evidence against this is so hard to get, but in their first games Hans destroyed Magnus doing a perfect game, and in the sequence he got totally SCHOOLED, losing 3 in a row, with Magnus playing 1.a3, f3 in the middle of the game, zero respect for him. Maybe that was already a test (who has something prepared against 1a3?) so it was very inconsistent performance.
And now he just wins again with the black pieces, this is suspect, as Anish told, they already knew all of this.
@@Test-mq8ih At least he can tell the organizers what he knows. That can help them investigate.
I wouldn't win against Magnus even with cheating
Stockfish on your phone browser would win against 10 grandmasters together dude
Yes you would lol. Even my trash ass self would demolish Magnus with an engine
You would...magnus has no chance against stockfish..especially the latest version
@@Biskawow Depends on the format. You would probably run out of time before you even win.
Your 6 versions old stockfish will eat Super GMs for breakfast, let alone the current one.
Waiting for a Magnus v Hans boxing match
Pawn G3. Answer on the table, yet no one seems to pay attention.
Anish trying his best to call Hans a bad player so that we can catch him cheating red-handed. Sneaky.
Finally, someone who follows chess of all things, that understands game theory. Thank you. (Yes I understand you were likely joking but at least you appreciate the game theory aspect)
If institution unable and/or unwilling to safeguard consistently or impose a cost, Magnus and others are able and willing to impose a social cost.
Vigilante justice always ends well
Hans simply played better a few weeks ago and Magnus just couldn't deal with it.
Niemann said magnus should be ashamed of himself for losing to him. Now magnus is ashamed of himself and you guys are speculating that he thinks hans is cheating. He is merely giving nieman what he deserves
I like Anish's take a lot more than Hikaru's
It's the same take lol
He just means he likes Anish😂
@@serghonest9 it is, but it's poking both players, telling one that he plays like shit and the other to seek a shrink lol
@@and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all Nope. He said it makes sense that Magnus resigns if he thinks he's playing a cheater. He also said he doesn't need to do it since Hans plays like shit against him, implying he would also resign if it wasn't like that.
he preferes minors above goats
It looks like this game is a draw. Prag got his king stuck on the side of the board.
Cant Prag move king to G5, then Magnus must move king or rook. Prag goes to G6, then G7. Shuffle a bit there then move pawn up and punish a missed move on the rook
@@NixViche I think Magnus can move the rook from f6 to f2 and then back to f6 basically forever. Rook and king both cover last rank so it's impossible to queen even with white king on g7
@@NixViche In the final position that we see, it is black to move. Stockfish15 says black rook F5 check. If the king goes to G6, then black rook F4. If the white king goes to G7, black rook to G4 will force the king to the edge of the board. The only thing that white can do that will have any effect is to start pushing pawns. But black's king will be free to come over.
I don't know too much about chess but it's the 3rd GM (Magnus, Hikaru and him) that I hear saying (between lines) that they think Hans cheated. Obv you have no proof so you can't make an open statement like that without getting sued but seems too sus to me.
Now we know why Pragg lost his advantage in this game
Anish is poisoning the well buy making this all about cheating in insignificant tournaments on line during fast time controls when he was younger. It should only be about whether he cheated during the game they played and nothing else. The insinuations are that there was cheating during the subpar game both of them played when Magnus blew a number of moves when he could have equalized or had an advantage. As Karpov said, "White played a bad game.
Magnus simply was a poor sport. His withdrawal caused Hans to no longer be leading the tournament because the game no longer counted.
How is he poisoning the well? Pointing out that past cheating within chess is going to draw suspicion upon later success should be obvious and uncontroversial. His past cheating, as well as his lies regarding his past cheating, seems to state that the only thing that would stop him from cheating is an inability to.
@@jeremyhillson9210 Yea, his past cheating is cause for suspicion but it does not constitute evidence. We already knew that he cheated online prior to the tournament and nobody had a problem with it, so CLEARLY this drama is about Magnus implying that Hans cheated OTB.
Hans having cheated online has no bearing on whether or not he cheated OTB. Zero. It gives us cause to be suspicious, but it does not evidence that he cheated OTB.
@@rumham7631 Saying that cheating at chess in one setting is in no way related to cheating at chess in another setting is, in my opinion, worthy of skepticism, however what does any of your reply have to do with the propriety of Giri’s comments relating to Hans? What part of my original reply do you actually, firmly believe is wrong?
Edit: Also who is the “we” that knew about his history of cheating? I didn’t know, most other players didn’t know and somehow I doubt Rex Sinquefield knew. Please don’t pretend like this was public knowledge that Hans himself was candid about. He couldn’t even be candid about his cheating after it came out
Magnus is single handily destroying Hans’ career. No big name tournament will want to invite Hans after these incidents. No site will let him play. If no evidence of cheating is there, this is one of the biggest defamations ever.
You can’t claim defamation for someone saying “I can’t say anything” and then refusing to play with them.
The thing is Magnus hasn't said a word accusing him of cheating. People are speculating over a mourinho meme. Legal issues related to cheating accusations arent the only reason he can't talk. There may be tournament rules, contractual stuff etc as well. Maybe he does think something is up and as anish said, you can't play with confidence if you think you are playing an engine. That could explain why he is not comfortable. He lost to lower rated young players before (Pragg for example) and at those times , nobody suspected anything and magnus didn't refuse to play them. Either way, a defamation case will be thrown out of court unless Magnus comes out and says the guy cheated. Pretty sure he's listening to his lawyers
@@wightboy12345 the slander being thrown at Hans is a direct consequence of Magnus’s vague tweet. He is absolutely aware of how everyone has perceived what he said & the consequences that has had on Hans, and as such, his silence is an approval of such and if Hans’s career is ruined because of it, Magnus is 100% responsible
@@Ruari2Morrison he is responsible 100% butt you can't sue him, bcs he managed to do it in such a fashionable way
@@Ruari2Morrison
Ok, and that’s not a defamation case.
Also, silence may be a legal requirement and not approval.
wise words
02:15 ótimo conselho.
I think this scandal is showing that the old guard mentality of chess. And I think Magnus is embarrassing himself.
Between this and not defending the WC, I'm worried for Magnus. He seems to be heading down the Bobby Fischer route.
Surely MC know something we don’t. Interesting to see.
Not necessarily. He might just simply be paranoid and full of himself.
@@tob564 yes. Those are the two options. Something is wrong, either way. 🤔
@@tob564 full of himself? ahh gimme a break mate :D he can do whatever the fuck he wants, hans cheated twice and that's only a number that we are aware of. I don't understand why people are defending a self-admitted cheater frankly it's sad.
@@nikaabuladze3105 + magnus doesn't win anything at taking down Hans. There is no way Magnus would do it because he's arrogant lmao
@@redfrezz3703 yeah like why would he give a shit about some random 19 year old kid
chess meme of the year goes to hans
Thank you Anish’! I really liked this answer. I haven’t seen much from him before but he got himself a new fan after this balanced comment.
He’s the biggest draw in chess right now
That's the basic rules of the house:
- Do not cheat
- do not accuse of cheating w/o evidence
- Don't talk about the fight club.
And don't quit tornaments before they are over
burden of proof to catch someone while their cheating is very high and sometimes u just know their cheating instinctively so Magnus is just not comfortable with it. If magnus doesn't bring up cheating is issue will it ever taken seriously?
@@keyynew1 lol, that's exactly what pisses me off, Magnus rage quited the tournament for no reason and now Magnus worshippers are justifying it because his "gut feeling" is more credible that analysis of the tournament organisers who didn't find "any sign of foul play". If it was any other player, we would immediately recognize, that he acted like an asshole. But now you're going to deny the evidence and assume Magnus is right anyway? "It's hard to find evidence, so let's just assume anyone Magnus loses to is a cheater" - this does make me feel irritated.
@@Bradley_UA magnus has lost bunch of ppl before but never withdrawn so raises an eyebrow + evidence from past cheating. Maybe issue here is we need to beef up security to higher level to detect cheating b/c u only need to cheat 1 or 2 moves sometimes.
@@keyynew1 okay, you are clearly missing key point here - HANS DIDN CHEAT IN THAT GAME.
Magnus has reigned today on move 2 against hans, does that also mean cheating? Doubt.
I'm not really understand what just happen right now, we need magnus to speak
Magnus is making a big deal about online cheating. Reducing online cheating and creating bigger audiences to chess matches.
Well explained
Hanns isn't just having small level swings. He goes from 2400 to 2850.
no.this has now been looked at by the leading chess anti cheating algorithms and there is nothing fishy. period.
@@OttoIncandenza you can say "no" and "period" as many times as you like. It still means absolutely nothing.
There is obviously an investigation going on behind the scenes. Magnus never behaves randomly. I really think you shouldn't be that certain about Hanns but I guess we'll find out soon enough:)
@@OttoIncandenza By the way, those "leading anti-cheating algorithms" are garbage and are only going to detect people who make it blatantly obvious that they are cheating.
@@OttoIncandenza What constitutes fishy? When I went over The Carlsen vs Hans game he played Stockfish 1st or 2nd choice moves 17-20, 22-29 and the final 25 moves 31-56. Really high level chess.
@@iluvatarchem if the investigation is behind the scenes, how do you already know the results of the investigation?
Pragg has beaten Magnus a total of 5 times and prior to today Pragg beat Magnus in the last three games they have played -- and today Pragg and Magnus play to a draw -- Pragg within the next 5 years will be the World Chess Champion
Alierza?
funny how magnus doesn't withdraw when he loses to pragg lol
Besting magnus, particularly in rapid games, is not a guarantor or even a metric with regards to ascending to wcc. You are completely disregarding the rest of the field.
@@keyynew1 pragg is legit dude, Magnus doesn't withdraw to every young guy he's not dumb
@@nozemsagogo868 You are wrong -- PRAGG will take chess to the next level before or by the time he is 22 years old
SPEAK MAGNUS! Rather than make these ridiculous actions as statements!
If legal implications are the reason for silence THEN ANNOUNCE THAT!
Why was Hans invited then if all the players talk like this? To just shame and embarrass him?
Wait until hans beats anish "very badly"...
Cope
Pffftt come again? He got absolutely obliterated.
Magnus is just bored and wanted some drama in the chess world.
Tbf it's getting chess a lot of publicity from people who don't normally follow chess
How?
@@eobardthawne7126 Cheating scandals are often interesting to people who don't play a lot. I used to be into chess a few years back and recently started seeing 'Chess Scandal' videos and now I'm watching chess videos I'm getting more recommended and thinking of getting back into chess bc it's fun
I don't think he is bored czcams.com/video/VcbHmHHwlUQ/video.html
@@MrPian0Mann okay. Let’s play on ChessTime!
See who commenting about whom master of draws
Nobody wants to cross Magnus, Niemann is an easy target with a self admitted cheating record.
What these ppl fail to understand is that they have to prove what they are accusing Hans of doing, until then they are just Magnus's goons bcoz they don't have guts to say out loudly that what MC is doing is absolutely wrong.
you don't have to prove shit, when the person is already an admitted cheater, god your thick.
I don't agree with this sacred otb mindset. If you're a cheater you're a cheater. It doesn't matter the medium.
It's not that otb is "sacred", it's that cheating otb is much harder, and would require conclusive proof before accusations are anything more than wild speculation. The internet drama machine is feeding off of Magnus's bad behavior.
Trash take just like you are, absolutely no evidence has been presented about him cheating against Magnus, and just so your minuscule brain actually gets it, confessing to cheating online on unranked games at 12 and 16 years old to play higher rated players doesn't mean you're actually cheating now. It's fine to have suspicions sure, but you're absolute braindead take is the same as saying that if you stole some gum at a random store when you were a kid you'll forever be a thief and should be treated as such
@@xeanthomas5231 if you were proven to be cheat online in a money tournament only 3 years ago you shouldn’t even be invited to an over the board tournament in the first place. There are so many deserving players, vetting should have identified this issue and Hans shouldn’t even be there in the first place. Sorry I don’t need Hans to be caught red handed in an OTB event before disqualifying him from future tournaments. Just the suspicion he may be cheating can disrupt opponents to the point where you can’t play your best chess. Margins are razor thin at the top levels. Maybe that’s Magnus point. You can’t be part of most prestigious tournaments in chess when there are so many outstanding young players with perfect unblemished records. Oh … and who aren’t a-holes either. 😅
It is impossible to cheat in saint louis while playing. Think op
@@youtubecensoringcomments7427 Nothing is truly impossible. A lot depends on trust. The safeguards most chess tournaments have in place really aren’t all that sophisticated. Maybe Magnus point is once you’ve betrayed that trust you shouldn’t have the opportunity to play in such prestigious OTB tournaments. It’s a privilege to be invited. Not a right. So Magnus is forcing a choice. Let’s see what the top OTB tournaments decide.
Carlsen il in denial
So what happened in this match between Praggnanandhaa and Magnus?
draw
Let's all prove him guilty with no proof for the second time without any evidence. Prove it, then sentence him, not before!
WRONG! Anish said Hans usually plays badly against HIM.
That doesnt get as many views
Magnus just pissed because his FPL team didn't do well
He is pissed because he believes Hans is cheating. It's pretty easy to understand his view point. And it is completely fair. His actions after the games could be questioned off course, and that is also completely fair
@@gjermundnorumbugge7373 i was being sarcastic.
Wdym his fpl team didn't do well. It did amazing this gw
nor did mine. the queens death really fucked me up
I Agree with anish .. he got really strong point there..
My 2 cent is that niemann spied on magnus to know his strategy.
At this point Magnus is match fixing.
Cherry picking opponents. LMFAO
Hans is there to provide cover, by acting very suspicious.
They split the winnings.
Match fixing in legal way KEK
Next you're gonna accuse him of murder or something.
Fking Hans stans smh.
Yep. You can't intentionally throw games in a money tournament.
Anish is wrong Carlsen first of all must speak what is all about and ends all tes speculation The audience feel totally disrespectful by Carlsen actions it is very sad this actitude from a chess champion
I think the “Magnus” effect is dying or maybe already dead. Wesley So was the first one to break Magnus’ shield of Invincibility by defeating him many many times in the last 2 years in major online games. The rest of the super GMs are finally catching up, Nieman and now Pragg have proven him “Mortal” and no longer The Chess God.
Go back to video games
Thanks Anish 👍
It is unlikely Hans would still be cheating with this much heat on him. IF he cheated in the first place.
I don’t know. Anish normally draws against Magnus. Hans has beaten Magnus twice recently 😉.
Hans just beat the world champion in less than 10 seconds. Clearly he is a superior player compared to Anish who can barely get a draw off Magnus.
Most people draw magnus, and many people have beaten him several times
Hans Niemann has brought back the mystery of Good Old Days of Chess. Humans who lack sportsmanship can just whine because they will lose ,but Chess will win.
lol, your very very naive.
Sound like Magnus is a little hansphobic
I’m quite fed up of this drama. Wish Magnus would just say something, not for his sake or Hans’ sake, but for Chess’ sake. The fact that this “Chess speaks for itself” meme and Hans Niemann, a disgraced cheat, is kind of the face of the game bothers me a LOT. He has no dignity at all, and doesn’t deserve the attention he’s receiving.
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Honestly, any history of cheating should merit a lifetime ban in chess. It messes up the integrity of the game.
Agreed. Hans should never be allowed to play online again.
"any kind of crime should be punishable by a lifetime sentence"
@@GukGukNinja yes, good you understand
@@GukGukNinja I didn't say that. But that's how it is with other sports. In track and field, if you get caught doping twice, you are banned for life. Otherwise it ruins the sport.
@@altalingua maybe OTB as well. I'm pretty sure he cheated in money tournaments not just some rates games
So would I believe the greatest player ever who has made Chess popular again and has redefined the. Meaning of tenacity or some Harvard applicant who was denied cause of cheated SAT results and multiple Chess online cheating scandals, well you decide please
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If I kill someone at 12 yo. Do you see me as a killer even though I supposedly "not kill" any body recently? Is there any chance that I would kill someone soon? I hear you
Maybe the disconnect is that some people take chess way way way more seriously. You're bringing up murder, but to me it's just a game.. someone cheated at age 12 I'm like "ok and?"
Cmon the kid is getting older, can a player not get older and improve?
What you said reminded me of when long ago I played an online game. There was a player who was often ranked #1 on the ladder and whenever we were in the same game I'd see him acting arrogant and cocky. Many many years later I stumbled upon him again and when I mentioned his arrogance he was a bit confused by it and asked me why I say that about him. I reminded him of those past days and he just replied - dude I was 14 then, I was a kid.
He can, but look at his interviews after the game. He didnt recall any of the positions played, he missread the moves and couldnt explain why he did certain moves. Even a 1800elo player remembers all positions and everything that went through his mind as to why he did certain moves. He was also very anxious and afraid after he beat Magnus, he instantly ran from the venue answering only one question from the interviewer.
Its way more likely that someone who has cheated on multiple occasions before, did it again. He probably did it even more then the 2 times he got caught.
Idc either way, but literally all signs are pointing towards him cheating, from the answers he gave in interviews, to him drawing the next game even though he had a winning position and didnt realize (veryyyyyy weird for someone 2400+ to not notice) and so on.
A proven cheater many times and now suddenly has the fastest rise ever from like the 2400 level to the 2700 level. Last time caught was only 3 years ago. Suspicion is 100 percent warranted.
I miss half what Anish said, the game they are playing is mesmerizing. Pragg is so freaking strong. Carlsen is the world Champion, hope he speaks and explain himself, his attitude is below his stature as world champion, even if Hans cheated or something what he did today makes no sense and it is a disgrace. Sorry fanboys, I know your feelings gets hurt but we need to say the truth.
"makes no sense"?? if he refuses to play against someone he believes is cheating, giving him the win is the perfect solution. there is no alternative. dropping out of the tournament makes no sense, what then? he drops out of every tournament Hans enters? no. this is the only move that makes sense.
@@mrcrowe1848 the thing is to this day there is no evidence whatsoever of Hans cheating, just because Hans crushed Magnus now he thinks he is cheating? what a childish way of thinking coming from Magnus, it would have been more beneficial to actually play that game against Hans and see if more evidence of cheating could be found.
Magnus has evidence but evidence is not the same as proof. And proof Magnus had NONE. That's why he is always speculating and will continue to speculate to nurse his hurting ego.
Whachout Magnus #carlsensc ✌
hans pawn moves were so strong, resigning is the only choice
lmfao Magnus pissed himself with that pawn move
Magnus is just mad about Hans insulting him in the interview after beating him, it's an ego thing
Probably
Probably not
Nobody know
You can't hurt a non entity's ego. But he looks like a complete spoiled nerd out of all this.
Polygraph test before games!
Pulling out of a game is a loss!
Unsubstantiated claims is a loss! Grow up children! (Maggie)
polygraph is highly inaccurate
This reminds me of lip balm lady
What about Hans and his career AND his MENTAL HEALTH. I feel not enough people are taking those into account. Even if he's not guilty, whenever he plays in an event, a game or anything. The suspicion of cheating will likely always be there for organizers, fans, brands. That plus how he got to play and beat one of his idols. Has to be having an emence negative impact on his mental health?!?
Hans should've thought of that when he was cheating online, even if he is innocent .. none if this would've happened if his record was clean.
Magnus is not handling this perfectly of course, but he is not responsible for Hans public image and mental health lol.. that's all the consequences of his actions. Technically magnus never said anything and just didn't want to play hans .. Magnus has the right to do that !
Well I guess it is some kind of mind games from Magnus or he is just bored and wants some drama lol, if I remember he left one tournament cause he didn’t want to play against Ian Nepomniachtchi and he said chess should be changed and he literally said he is bored… I don’t know… but at the end of the day all I know is that if for one person it is fun and games for other person (Hans) it can be really stressful and depressing so media should stop promoting this stupid drama and actually care about someone’s health or at least get a freaking evidence that Hans is a cheater…
He was only 16 years old. What if he takes his own life?!?
tell me you watched levys video without telling me you watched levys video
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Then he shouldn’t have chosen to cheat and then become a celebrity in the field he cheated multiple times in. He could have picked a different hobby or job. He chose to continue in the field he wronged and has to live with the cloud of suspicion.
What does it say that most super GMs are suspicious of Hans including the world #1, knows he is a player who can't play at their level and is a bad player most of the time (compared to super GMs), has cheated previously in online chess, and just recently made a meteoric rise to 2.6K? And people will still go around and act like Hans is a clean player. What a joke.
Agreed. I mean we shouldn't assume anything, but there is zero reasons to assume he's clean.
@@ghosthunter0950 or to assume he's cheating to be fair
Seems like he likes to talk trash
Many will doubt Hans no matter what. If I were Hans, I would already be talking to my lawyer. Magnus has damaged Hans' aspirations of making chess his profession, and it is worthy of litigation because Magnus stated as an accusation on the record by INFERENCE (which is different from mere implication):
" I would accuse you of being a fu**ing cheater .... but you could rightfully sue me."
See why that logic is already worth a lawsuit? ☺