Kohdok Reviews Redemption!
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Hey, remember that bible game I joked about seven years ago? Turns out it's still around! It's a smaller game which only has annual set releases, but it's still puttering along. I actually met the guy who designed the game, we had a nice chat, and he tossed me some stuff to show off.
So, how does a game on Biblical Adventure fare in the face of more modern games? Let's take a look and see!
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Do you do Japanese language TCG? If you do, I requested Rangers Strike and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
im currently in the process of making a TCG and I've already broken 2 of the rules. I use 2.5 by 2.5 inch cards, and life decking. my play test were fun so im not upset with how it works. My cards, fit in page sleeves, and life decking makes since in my concept.
Do you take requests? If you need a topic for one day: the rise and fall of (my personal, favorite card game--up until MTU) VS System could make a good video. I'm sad that there isn't a continuation community like you have for V:TES, Starwars, or Star Trek (there's a discord but it's not super active...which makes sense because those last few sets...yeesh). I think it's a great story about the problem of trying to make a "pro" card game too soon.
hey, i think it would be really cool if you did a review of the nightmare before Christmas TCG. it came out in 2005 and the only place I've found it is Ebay, so if that puts you off it i understand completely.
Was a youth pastor in the late 90s, and held a Redemption tournament. I actually called Rob Anderson's office for tournament tips since I hadnt done one before, and he answered the phone, we chatted for a long time, and he mailed me several parcels of video games, comics, and card packs to use for prizes. Without cost. My kids had an epic event. Rob really believes in what he is producing, from his heart.
Thank you for handling the game's theme in a neutral, tasteful manner.
I agree and like to dislike ratio reflects that job well done.
Hard disagree. This stuff isn't ok for kids. Sorry but you're either exposing them to terrible ideas, or lying by omission. There is no productive compromise.
@@valroniclehre193 So what is okay for kids?
@@Comeonnowskip Most things are ok for kids. Kids aren't fragile, just impressionable. However, if it involves sugar coating genocide, or exalting those who commit it, then that falls into the "not ok" category.
@@valroniclehre193
3 Things:
Go touch grass.
Expand your logical thinking. Instead of cherry-picking examples that aren't actually at hand, argue an actual point. (Who tf is sugar coating genocide? Why tf is that even relevant to this video? What are you on?.)
Go touch grass. Seriously.
When you lose to a person with a more expensive deck remember to toss the table over and shout "MONEY CHANGERS!"
Don't forget the whip. That's the most important part.
You should not however pull out a whip as that will get you banned at tournaments
As a life long atheist, this game actually sounds really interesting. Not to mention a fun way of learning the bible.
Dude it was legit. I played way back in the day but it was actually fun and well made. The card quality, art and creativity was very very good
Jesus christ is real and loves you, he was sent by God to pay the wages of sin so that we can all be saved from hell, the wages of sin is death so all you have to do is repent which is stop doing the sins your doing and believe of the Son of God Jesus christ of Nazareth.
I love you waffle! I'm about to start this game. Just quit mtg lol
@@michellehuitt1597 This never works because it entirely fails to understand the person you're addressing.
Yep
I find this card game quite interesting in design and theme.
I request more reviews of strange and unique TCGs
I’ve been trying to get more people interested in the transformers TCG :) if you like newer and more simpler games
TOWERS IN TIME! TOWERS IN TIME! Also, Star Quest: The Regency Wars, BaneMaster, and Ophidian 2350.
@@timmirkes7178 your wish has been granted
I won’t lie, this game needs more attention
Oh man, I was a pretty sheltered kid so I played this partially because my parents would probably not have been crazy about me coming home with a game called magic with demon characters in it. Although I actually do remember it being a ton of fun... And now I'm kinda tempted to buy cards from it again...
Thank you for not auto-trashing Christianity. Much respect for that.
Tbh as a Christian, this is one of the only reasons to not ridicule and trash Christianity
@@baconjimmy557 What reason would that be? Not being a smartass, just curious what exact reason you mean.
@@valroniclehre193 there’s lots of people that trash on Christianity because of how lots of people unfortunately act within the community, and since these people who view themselves as superior because of their religion, Christianity gets a bad rap for it, also the church can act really scummy sometimes, all the Protestant denominations are living proof of that
@@baconjimmy557 Another "no true scottsman" fallacy. This is the kinda thing I'm talking about.
This harsh disconnect between a person and the real world. Yes some christians do bad things. That isn't at all what I'm saying. I'm saying, there is no good version. Every version has bad implications in the story, and bad effects in the real world.
Not the least of which is the endless excuses followers make, instead of just accepting something might be wrong. Your response is an example of that. A mild one, but if this conversation continues your excuses will get more and more obvious, and reflect ever worse on your character as you make them.
I'm trashing on christianity because of the pattern of behavior it invokes on the individual, and at scale. Its a result of what the book / leaders say, not just a few bad eggs.
@@baconjimmy557 Hey, literally the reason why Martin Luther nailed his 'protestation' to the door was cos of how much institutionalised lying in Catholicism (this book, which you can't read, says for you to give me your lunch money... which is literally how indulgences work; plus literally nobody got into heaven if they weren't male and vastly wealthy enough to afford a Latin education).
You can't say 'Protestants bad', when literally the schism occurred to combat how awful Catholicism was and still is. Wealth is expressly forbidden by Jesus, but fortunately you guys didn't even allow people to read the Bible, which would have told them what Jesus' teachings even are.
Queue 400 years of Religious Wars, which you US guys fortunately missed out on... good grief.
The obscure games are by far my favorite content of yours
Nice review. I'm a Christian, love TCG (still play MTG and other games), I just love gaming in general! This was a very cool thing i found as well and believe it or not its life span is almost if not similar to MTG. Anyway, thanks for the review. Now if you are doing a obscure game series, please if you havent already look into Alien v. Predator. I have no idea how that game works. maybe you can review mechanics? keep up the awesome work
Wait, this is still running!? I have like the decks left over from high school. This is after I gave three different decks to people lol
I'll check out this card game it's definitely unique and interesting
i am a heathen atheist but even i love the jokes in veggietales
WEED EATER
Atheists aren't heathens because they don't worship at a heath because they don't worship.
Yeah I still go back to them sometimes. Big Idea had some snappy writing.
Yeah veggie tales just objectively slaps. It's so good.
"There's no Jesus card in this game"
9:30 busts out the literal Jesus card
Not by name
He said no Jesus character card.
When I was younger, my family and I always took trips to a Christian music festival called Creation. I actually got really into Redemption while I was there, and this video makes me want to pick up my old deck, wherever I have. I also really just really liked the video. You're a really cool guy and I look forward to going through the backlogs of your content!
Oh shit I was there too!
Y'know I might check this out man, it looks weird and bizzare
As an atheist who loves card games I would recommend this game based on what you said
The gameplay is simple and intuitive
The moral? A game can have low complexity but has depth.
I remember my folks bought me a deck of these at one point - long after I'd been playing YuGiOh and collected some Pokemon mind you - and it struck me as a cool idea that a) didn't seem very practical and b) a bit of a mystery since we didn't actually buy enough cards for 2 decks and my dad and I never properly sat down to learn the rules >.>. Didn't stick with it to any major degree, but I'm glad it's still alive and kicking, and the fact they're able to make more cards every so often from source material like the Bible is honestly super impressive. More power to you, Cactus Games. Keep up the good work.
I was raised by my grandparents and since trading card games were popular in my hometown, my grandparents, being Christians, bought my brothers and I a large amount of Redemption. We never really understood the game rules or bothered learning, we were more interested in YuGiOh, Pokemon and MTG. What we did do, however, was love the artwork, especially the ones done in that 90's comic book style. I still have a lot of them in the binders where I keep my Duel Masters and Chaotix collections as well.
This was the card game that started my addiction and I still have a lot of the old cards and even some sealed stuff just sitting around. Occasionally just break out my Genesis/Roman Control deck just to remember the good times.
I need to find that full art that was beautiful
Me too.
This looks far better than expected! I actually really like the mechanical concepts, like in-deck prize cards and creatures that only attack or defend. It adds cool deckbuilding restrictions, has real archetypes, and most importantly, MADE BANDING GOOD
Banding was/is a neat mechanic. In addition to the 2+ creatures moving like one, their controller ALSO gets to choose how damage is assigned to them, and it doesn't need to follow the battle conga. Like, if you attack or block with a pair of 1/2 creatures banded together and the band ends up against your opponent's 2/2, you can assign 1 point of damage to each of your creatures and neither will die.
You've got me chomping at the bit for a video on Anachronism and High Stakes Drifter. I had a TON of fun with the latter game back in the day
2:46
I-Is that the KJV Audio Bible?
Because I swear I've heard that voice before.
I'm curious why every bible automatically resorts to the KJV when there are so many other versions to resort to, even the NEW KJV (NKJV), which is FAR more understandable than the outdated archaic old version which is really hard to understand
Israel De la Rosa I guess because tradition?
@@israeldelarosa5461 Copyrights & Familiarity.
11:07
I hasnt realized they were different colors
Aw man, such a blast from the past! I remember giving up all my Pokemon stuff to get these cards, since my folks were skeptical of Pokemania.
These videos are gems.
Your asides are really exceptionally witty for this games-commentary genre you're in.
Production quality is great.
I wish you all the success you deserve.
You keep finding games from my childhood that I forgot existed, thanks for that
I just have to comment on this. I have been playing Redemption for around 15 years. It is a pretty good game, and while it definitely has it's issues, the direction the game is going seems to be a good one. And the game can get much more complicated than what was shown in this video. And the game does take a bit of knowledge of the Bible, but aside from Testament there are very few cards that require you to know something not explicitly on the card and most of them are old (and while still playable often not the best option).
If I have to say the biggest problem with the game is that there has been a truckload of complexity and power creep throughout the game's history, some of it has been good, but the main format got very close to being broken, and that forced a couple of erratas and bannings. And the finer details of the game can be a bit difficult to figure out (I'm a rules guru and I have had difficulty, but it has gotten a lot better from the worst it's been).
There's also a couple of other formats, the game supports more than 2 player games (we used to have 10+ player games, but those games can get a bit absurd) and there's 2 different main formats, T1 which was what Kohdok described and T2, which is a bigger game where you have a 100+ card deck (and consequently 14+ Lost Souls) and you can have more copies of some cards with special abilities in your deck and you have to have equal good and evil in your deck, you also play to 7 Redeemed Souls and there are a few other minor rules changes, all of which makes for longer and (in my opinion) more strategic and interesting games.
Sorry but i need to know. Is there a Jesús card??? Because i don't know how more overpowered a card can get.
@@juangarza320 There is a Son of God Dominant Card that is essentially a staple in every deck (it automatically rescues a Lost Soul), so it is very powerful, but as a dominant, it is limited to 1 per deck and is very hard to recur. But there is no Jesus hero.
@@evanbarkman5786 it sounds interesting. I would check it out.
Haha I remember some good multiplayer games, I once played Tower of Babel and if I am not mistaken it read “band all evil characters into battle” and the band chain was off the table
Wow you play way more card games than I do. I like these kinds of videos I'm always interested in learning about other card games I may have never heard of before.
Well done review. You gave praise and criticism where it was needed and did it in a respectful and unbiased manner. Good job!!
Hey Kohdok, I’d like to recommend a homemade TCG called Heroic made by a CZcams channel called ScribblesWithRachel. She gives tips for design and art, and even has some videos detailing the creation of some cards. I think it’s worth a look, if you have the time.
I second this request! The Heroic TCG (and the accompanying videos) has inspired my buddies and I to try our hand at making / creating a TCG, too. Highly recommend.
I played this game as a kid and this video brings back a lot of nostalgia. Thanks for doing your best to give an unbiased, fair review of the game!
This game genuinely looks amazing.
As a Christian, this game was always on my radar but I never got a starter deck or rulebook but this does actually look really interesting to play. I think the game would be better served with consistent background colors for the cards and maybe make it line up with the corner color or with the type of card that it is.
It’s really refreshing to Christian entertainment done well. So often people with very good intentions trying to make their product educational end up neglecting the entertainment aspect. Banding in this game not only makes sense as a gameplay mechanic considering the rules of the game but also as an educational tool to help players learn to build mental connections between the various cards and their figures they represent to better understand them thematically. Clever!
Joab was david's top general or something, and there was a lot of politic stuff happening. I think he had David's son killed because the son was trying to take the throne, even though David forbade killing him
I am sure it is all the rage at the monastery.
I would love it if it could be possible to play a few games for us to watch. I'd love to see how a match or two goes from start to finish
Glad it was treated well. As a Christian gamer I've seen this but never gave it a chance. I'll have to give it a try
We use to play this all the time when I was going to Private School as a kid. We got pretty into it and it deck building was fun.
As a kid I had that same starter deck. Mine didn’t come with an instruction manual though, so for years I had no idea how to play.
Huh. Neat.
Edit: I ended up buying the $20 starter set cause of this review, I'll give it a shot with my boyfriend. You got Cactus Games a sale here, Kohdok!
Props to the designers for being able to do a slow burn of a game. Although if they haven't done so, a reprint run to make the older cards in line with the current design would probably be good.
Hey, Kohdok. Are you ever going to review Keyforge? It's the first Unique Deck Game as the only way you can get cards is through decks. However, you cannot mix the cards because of the backs on the cards.
Edit: Also Banding is removed from Magic
Not removed. Banding is still a mechanically enshrined within the rules. They just don't print new cards with it or reprint old cards with it.
Ante is a mechanic that has been removed, seeing as every card that references it has been banned in all formats
Never really understood keyforge. It's a tcg minus half of the hobby. I understand I am a little nutty about experimenting with crazy combos but I cannot really wrap my head around it. I know from my own experiences teaching games to friends, a lot of the magic Is lost when your deck is handed to you.
not "removed" just been abandoned in newer sets because of complexity and more importantly, because the ability did not have much use anyway.
My brother and I played this a lot as a kid. And seeing it again now, boy did we play wrong.
If you're wondering about some of the comic book look art on some cards like Mist and Angel of God, they're actually from a Christian comic book I had as a kid. It was called Archangel the Saga and it was weird as heck. I still remember it fondly though.
I remember playing this in youth group and it was quite interesting to find out its still going to this day
Well, how about that. I've seen this game before, back in 2004. A "friend" (guy turned out to be a thief, of trading cards, video games, and money) showed me the cards his foster siblings played with because the design was familiar. We played a few rounds, and I honestly thought it was a very appealing game.
Unfortunately, the bad blood between him and me resulted in me forgetting this existed, thus I never looked into it... I'm very glad to have found your channel! This has brought back some positive memories, even if the person they were tied to proved to be a not so positive one.
This is a surprisingly sold sounding system. You were able to explain all of the rules in only a few minutes and it all makes sense. Although additional win conditions would be nice from a gameplay perspective I can see how that would go against the spirit of the game.
Speaking of tcgs, are you going to make a video on Vanguard 2018?
Not gonna lie, that angel of the lord looks fucking badass
Yo, Ruth decks sound kinda strong!
Ruth Tempo/Control Deck finna tear up the meta.
I played this game as a kid and loved it.
As a young Christian kid I wasn't allowed to collect Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon cards, but my parents did let me buy Redemption cards and my homeschool friends and I would play in between classes and activities. Wasn't quite the same as the "cooler" TCG's but I was glad I had something I could collect and play! My parents probably have my binder somewhere....
For a long time redemption was the only tcg my parents would let me play. I absolutely loved it as a kid. I played it years later and it wasn’t a bad game. To my understanding banding still rules the meta game. Or at least it did a few years ago. Wild to think this game is one of the longest running TCGs.
Great review! Thanks for being objective and reasonable. I’ll check it out
I have a TON of these cards! I enjoy playing competitively and have even gotten into creating my own cards. Once you get the more risky deck building cards involved it gets really fun. I highly recommend it to anyone thinking of getting involved.
This game seems absolutely fascinating. I remember being encouraged to try it as a young kid when one of my mother's extremely religious friends got upset that I was allowed to play Yugioh, and I've been rather frustrated with the lack of quality of most christian media, but this seems genuinely high quality.
Holy crap I remember this game, I honestly thought I had made it up at some point because _no one_ talks about it.
As someone who has played a LOT of different CCGs, I'm impressed that an independant game like this one is so well explained, accessible to novices and fully playable right out of the box. I still have nightmares about the incomplete, unplayable mess that was Animayhem.
the art style is really nice
I wish I had this when I was younger the game looks fun and it's wayyyyy easier to tell my parents that this card game is not evil rather than my yugioh cards of literal black magicians.
This game is actually pretty fun, they do a great job in that they make both the demons and angels pretty even in the badassery department
I'd love more vids on obscure card games. This was a treat!
Bible combat sounds badass
Kohdok Dragamonz series 2 is out.
The art is great
Wait, the whole lost souls mechanic is a genius way of getting around life points and the idea of you "killing" the other player
Serious props for pronouncing Joab correctly lol
More Redemption content please!
don't think i didn't hear that Prince of Egypt song playing in the background ;)
My friend has these somewhere in his basement! Also Veggie-tales was great for kids.
There was a game from latin america that was really popular back in the day. Its name was "Mitos y leyenda" (which obviusly translates to "myths and legends"). It was made by a
chilean company called "Salo". It was really popular back in the mid-aughts in South America and even Mexico (that's where I'm from). Maybe that is something you could be interested in.
Your best video imo. Could you please respond with a list of every card game you own cards for? You mentioned you have for over a hundred.
I use to buy these and I’m surprised you have so many 10/10 cards. I believe I have the most rare card of the time, Saul/Paul who is 10/10 rainbow. Still have all my cards
That full art card was too sexy dude, I need to get one
I feel like this game is really underrated. I may have to buy a starter deck.
I honestly thought this would be corny and lame but lot of the ideas of the gameplay are actually pretty interesting and unique. Like using both good and dark monsters they have two separate jobs from each other and only battle each other.
Actually kohdok. For my college capstone i made my own card game from scratch. It took alot of cues from japanese game design but if you are interested, id love to here your thoughts on it.
I still love the cooper misprint I have lol.
I'm like 99 percent sure my older brother and his church best friend at the time had and played this
I want a Methuselah rookie card. One day.
The "Son of god" card sounds like jesus to me yo
I used to have a bunch of cards for this back in the mid 2000s, but there was no one to try playing it with, even when I was going to church groups.
Yep, the game is really a lot of fun - especially with the latest sets! And Jesus has a card in the game: It is the ultimate Son of God Dominant! :)
Also one great thing to know is: Redemption and every card printed for it can be played for free online!!! :) - Well the client (LackeyCCG) is sth. that needs to get used to, but it is for free.
There are also several points for more information: A forum (www.cactusforums.com/index.php?action=forum), Discord (discord.gg/87Px6D), Blog (landofredemption.com/) and lots of additional videos in CZcams!
Since you only really touched the first set, you never got to see some of the more interesting card arts that were tie-ins with other Christian media such as the Archangels (the Saga) comics and the Angel Wars cgi films. Was pretty rad to my young mind and seems pretty ambitious for the time.
I cannot be the only one wondering what the tournament scene for this game looks like.
The game itself looks great though, I like the fact it has lore on the card (something I wish Yugioh did), and the Art ain’t half bad.
At least when I was looking around for tournaments about half a decade ago, it was a lot of church hosted events of 10-100 people, some multi-day stuff and all pretty personable affairs and less like giant cons or anything.
Never did find a store playing it sadly. Nor was able to set anything up with my church.
Banding is actually kinda busted in MTG. While it makes it easier to stop a single attack you get to chose how damage is distributed to your own creatures. So if you attack with a banded 6/6 and a 1/1 and it's blocked by a 7/7, you can have your 1/1 take all 7 damage, kill their blocker, and keep your 6/6. For blocking it lets you distribute damage among multiple blockers which normally your opponent gets to chose allowing for the same tricks on the defense. It allows you to win combat where normally your stronger creature or multiple of your creatures would die but instead you trade favorably and keep a stronger board presence than your opponent.
Damage is required to be assigned at a minimum of lethal, I never realized you could assign more than lethal, I thought it automatically went to the next creature. Especially because with trample you could just assign all the damage to the lowest toughness creature, bleed over the rest and deal none to any more blockers. Are you sure banding let's you decide to put more than lethal damage on a creature?
FYI "The son of man" and "The son of God" are both Jesus. Christ and Messiah both mean "the anointed one". "The Angel of the Lord" is God and debatably is specifically preincarnate Jesus. Each part of the trinity has plenty of titles so there's plenty of unique card names that could be used to refer to the same thing. Satan also has a lot of names but I made this comment in response to several God cards I saw in this video.
Meanwhile Red brigade and Evil Gold brigade are no longer supported and all the good cards from older sets got a reprint in terms of the Roots set. Also there are new starter decks around plus in the newer sets card borders indicate the brigades of the particular cards.
my grandma would love it!
Holy crap I just rewatched your tcg video yesterday lol
Oh man i used to LOVE this game
I thought the bible tcg was just a figment of my young active imagination, but there it is... just... existing.
I still own a big ol' box of these from the late '90s. Played it a few times before my pastor was all like, "Augh! It's too much like Magic!" and the five other people in my church who played quietly lost interest.
The game's not terrible, but it's not great, either. Certain card interactions are sketchy, and building decks with the right balance of heroes and villains can be tricky. But the part that really bummed me out was the lack of a "limiting factor," like the mana system in Magic. A player who was lucky enough to draw into their strongest hero on the opening hand could just slap it down on turn one and pretty much dominate the game. That said, I'm glad a game like this exists, and that its publishers have been able to improve the design of the game over the years. Now to dust off my old cards and find an opponent... 😅
I would legit buy this game. Ngl
I'm not a religious guy at all so from a gameplay perspective this game is pretty interesting
Ignoring the inconsistencies regarding beliefs between factions (I'm a Jehovah's Witness for example, so I dont believe in hell or a lingering soul) this game sounds really well designed and considered. I'll have to look into this, see if it's something my friends might be interested in giving a shot.
I heard about a card game called Bible brawl. you can have Goliath fight Samus and vice versa.