This Is What Many Artists Don't Realize Until They Are Older - Marc Scott Zicree
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Marc Scott Zicree is the author of THE TWILIGHT ZONE COMPANION and has written for shows such as STAR TREK - THE NEXT GENERATION, SLIDERS, DEEP SPACE NINE, BABYLON 5, SMURFS, HE-MAN, REAL GHOSTBUSTERS and many more. Marc and his wife Elaine Zicree have worked for virtually all the major studios and networks. In addition to writing, directing and producing great projects for film, TV and books (including the forthcoming GUILLERMO DEL TORO’S CABINET OF CURIOSITIES), Marc and Elaine mentor thousands of others toward successful careers in the Industry via The Table industry roundtable meetings.
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"You stop competing with other people and you just realise you're here to find the truest expression of your heart that you can share with the world". That was so good I had to write it down.
I “don’t need approval. I need to be effective.” God that resonates with me!!!
Yeah the part about the quilting analogy hit home with me too. Just make the quilt
Beat me to it! Such a good quote.
As a younger filmmaker at this stage I think that's a bit of a catch 22. I need to be effective to get approval, I also need approval to be as effective with my work as I want to be. He says He has some assurance where he doesn't care as much, I'd like to have the same attitude but I am looking for a bit of a fight to get to a good place
@@Spiderstan727 well the good news is with technology you can shoot a decent looking short or feature and invest 5 grand in it when 30 years it might cost 10 times as much.. so it's a great time to be a young film maker.. just make it..
You got more tools and smaller expenses then previous generations
Not always easy just telling the story, because this story happened to me as a child, it feels like I am facing my own demons .
The quilt analogy just blew my mind!!! Yes, 100% agree!!!! If you spend so much time talking about doing something without doing it, you're not doing it!!!
And recognize that you MAKE things. Ideas are material. You need to WORK with the material and make it into the art. Songs, shows ect ect.
What I liked most about this video is your ability and sense to let a person who has something good to say speak for 12 minutes straight, without interupting. That's like, I don't know, otherworldly today. Thank you for that.
That was my initial reaction as well and what kept me from scrolling onto something else.
And, I'm not even a writer or film maker but, I just subscribed.
I’m a novelist-not a screenplay writer, and this interview. still resonated with me.
Art is art. Do it because you love it.
Me me me.
"I'm just trying to tell a story that I think is meaningful"
Marc totally gets it 😊
Not many do!!
"If someone buys it cool, if not, whatever, i wrote the story that's meaningful to me" That right there is why i keep writing. Too many people thinking they can "be correct" hard enough and become successful, but whether your audience likes it is what determines that. And you have no control over it, so fuck it, write what you wanted to write.
I love this man’s sense of human values.
This interview is so good, I just had to make a second comment..."a single hour of television can change someone's life for the better'.....yes, this is one of the most important truths that exists for art. Art can change lives, change minds, save lives... it's such a powerful essence
The desire to be good / liked / approved of is the enemy of truth. TRUTH is what humans want. We fear the truth... and crave it... BECAUSE we are too often deprived of it... BECAUSE too few artmakers give us TRUTH... because they are seeking approval. Artmakers, like Marc, who let go of the need to "be good," in favor of truth and following their calling and serving a Higher Purpose, use their powers for good... and end up ACTUALLY giving people what they want AND need... AND being good.
The problem is that there's people who control a lot of the entertainment industry who don't want the truth out there. They'd prefer propaganda.
I concur with your statement. What you wrote is true in my experience. Authenticity is what makes an artist stand out, not their particular style. Grunge became popular because the early bands known for making it were authentically being themselves. It's why musicians of seemingly drastically different styles can be appreciated by the same people.
This is why women are on the back foot from day one. We are literally sold this message all the time - that we need to please others in every way looks, character, what we create etc.
@@ellie-tk4jy It's not much different for men. It's our whole culture that tells us all how we are supposed to look and act and think.
Truth is fiction. Intention shows through in art. The intention to make money is why we are in a sea of mediocrity.
It's natural to look at your peers and be jealous or envious of their success, but it truly isnt a race. As long as you keep moving the ball forward, you will become great at anything you pursue. And the success will come.
Consistency!
Hmmm ... life is just unfair. There are some with just little to no effort that became very successful, and there are others who, despite having the talent and had worked hard, are not given recognition.
definitely not a race as everyone's voice is unique.
@@jesseowenvillamor6348 Thank you. I hate this idealization of dreams and aspirations, because it sets people up to genuinely think they'll succeed in areas where they're destined to fail. I always say success takes three things: Hard work, smart work, and a good bit of luck.
@@ellie-tk4jy unique doesn't mean equal
I liked the part where he said you should be the truest expression of your heart --- and share that with others. Yes. While you must write for an audience, the audience wants the writer to be their trusted representative, their agent --- so you can give them the story they want --- after you find what that is.
This man has a good aura
This video gave me many answers to questions that I had.
I want to tell a story of a show called The Last Morhanite, and I'm afraid people won't like it or that nobody will even see it, but in the end, if I do nothing, nothing is guaranteed to happen.
If you are on the east coast let me know if I can help
"Nothing ever happens as you imagine it- but if you don't imagine, nothing ever happens at all."
Ken Atchity (also interviewed on Film Courage) has a great mindset on this topic. To paraphrase, if you don't have time to watch his interviews; your job is to do the work, and do it as best you can. It's a lonely journey. When it's finished, let it be judged or not judged, liked or not liked. At that point it's out of your control how others respond, and you move onto the next project. I think it was Charlie Kaufmann that said something like, 'all you have to offer the world is yourself and your own point of view'. And when you think about it, all the art that you've ever found meaningful was someone doing exactly that.
If you think the story is interesting then with nearly 8 billion people in this world it’s inevitable that others will like it as well. You’re already doing a great job by watching videos and learning from professionals. If you do the best you can, then there will be no reason to feel sorry for yourself. Worst case it’s a learning experience. And there’s no rush either, even if it takes you years.
Make it for the fun of making it and it will probably turn out the best it can be, and meanwhile you won't care too much how it is received by others because you enjoyed giving birth to it so much. Also, don't be afraid to work with limited budgets and equipment - limitations can inspire great solutions and stories. Think of the original Star Trek series - there really weren't much special effects, and the props and sets were fairly flimsy and ramshackle, but they worked great for telling the story. You can always make first drafts or demos of your idea that might help you get backing to make a bigger budget production of it. Tell your stories - it's your gift to the world.
3:59 "I don't need approval. I need to be effective." THIS!!!
I’m a songwriter and I find that because I’m so vulnerable with my music, I feel more comfortable keeping my listeners & viewers at bay. This makes it so much easier to stay connected to myself and not with other ppl. I won’t be affected by their positive or negative opinions if I cut the access they have towards to ONLY music. This works well for me. Also, o mainly get along with other artists because they understand the level vulnerability we sacrifice
I wish more creatives where as humble as he is. I appreciated that as much as his creative ideas
Harlan Ellison wrote lots of screenplays and teleplays that weren't filmed but he was still paid for them. And of course wrote great stuff in all media that was bought. You dont wait for the better decade or for producers to mature. You do what you feel is great work. Ellison got this as does Zicree.
Marc Zicree. I'm going to say this again about this man. He is an unsung hero of the industry.
A genius storyteller, and full of wisdom and experience.
Thank you for the great insights!!
Now this is a responsible artist. Instead of moaning about the "limitations" of not being able to pigeonhole people he finds the opportunity to apply those limitations in an underutilized way. They don't say "limitation breeds creativity" for nothing.
Love his quilt analogy. Don't talk about a quilt for years that you'll never make - just make the damn quilt.
His steampunk Elvis sunglasses is da bomb ^^ So cool!
“truest expression of the heart that one can share with the world” Damn.
Self publishing makes creation and sharing more accessible than ever!
Yeah great, loads of extra crap to sift through
I came across Mr Zicree's youtube channel some time ago. He had an infectious enthusiasm, but I thought he was just a guy who loved science fiction. I didn't realise the extent of his work. Wow. So humble and accomplished. Dude has a lot of exterior and interior wisdom. And, thanks for the video. I love all of your videos. They are so insightful.
It's like listening to an older version of myself in many ways. Some frequencies resonate and harmonize.
Absolutely LOVED this interview and his insight. He’s absolutely right, what’s the point of creating a thing with a half hearted mindset and below average effort??
If we’re going to create something, make it ‘special’, give it your all-go above and beyond…because at the end of the day, it’s more than a ‘job’ but rather ‘a great responsibility’-Your work, your role, your responsibilities and gifting has the potential to change someone’s life forever! So if you’re gonna take time out of your precious life to do something…create excellence, not mediocrity!
Mediocrity fights just to get to the Loot 💰 …Excellence fights to get to the Legacy!
I love this guy’s “character and standard”.
Thanks for this Vid 🙏💪
Cheers! Great post. Thank you for taking the time to share your reaction.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with being successful in the industry; more importantly, this has EVERYTHING to do with being successful in LIFE. This video is an absolute game changer with Marc Scott Zicree dropping gems of invaluable words of wisdom in each sentence. This is a must-view for everyone; the true listener will pick up the specific gems she/he needs to move forward---in total confidence---on their life journey. Bravo, Marc! Wish I could have heard this decades ago---Andromeda International Records
This is one reason i love hanging around old people, they have wisdom :)
First is desire, second is work and sacrifice and third is conquest and happiness.
I'm glad to hear someone say they have morals about what they put out into the world.
Thrilled to see Mr. Zicree sharing his wisdom. I've been enjoying his TZ Companion since I was in elementary school. It's deeply inspiring and encouraging to hear his approach to writing and creating in general.
Hello,
I've commented other times and have been impressed with an acknowledgement of my comments as well as responses on occasion. Thank you.
I like the relatability of your interview style. It makes me feel a kinship with your guests.
Just fyi, I'm a writer/illustrator of my own graphic novels.
For the past 10 years (while working a regular job) I've been developing a graphic novel series that will comprise 15x50 page books. Recently I've been awarded a grant to aid in this pursuit. This has been my first real taste of any success.
After 10 years of concept, story, character, technological , (and a lot more) design, I've begun illustrating the first book of this series.
Listening to your interviews with all your wonderful guests has been and continues to be inspiring.
Thank you, again.
Bob.
Hi Bob, thanks for posting!
Awesome to hear this news! Congrats on the grant! We commend you, your pursuit, and your dedication to your work. We wish you all the best as you move forward with your graphic novel series!
his point about quilting is so on point. Assemble a team and shoot your idea, maximise your resources, (you'll be surprised how much you have when start thinking this way) make your feature, tell your story
I love the idea with seniors saving the world. Love it.
Zicree posits what should not be an extraordinary point: wisdom & experience (admixed with elbow grease & a dollop of talent) are worth far more in the creative arts than are given credence or credit, & not just in Hollywood. He & his wife, Elaine, are living--& thriving--proof. 'Cheers.
7:08 my favorite part... Make the quilt.
"A single hour of television can change someone's life forever" - almost every single episode of Millennium
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus I think you're basically right, but it's not typically a genetic problem. We start our lives watching our parents to learn what is normal and how to live with it. This usually gives us great advantages, but every parent has their feces. No one sees the feces until they see not-feces, adjust to the shock, learn more about not-feces, and recognize it as superior to their family tradition. It takes time, so you'll always find people swimming in feces if that's what you look for.
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus IBM PC...well hello, 1985! Oversimplification aside, yes, there are widely varied degrees of brain development and 95% are within 2 SD of the mean and will never be supercomputers. We agree on that.
For the majority of cases where people are swimming in feces without seeing it, however, all they need is a calculator-brain and repeated exposure to not-feces until forced to think a little (most decisions being emotional).
Our schools actively discourage critical thought, and social media algorithms promote echo chambers. All I'm saying is that we could fix over 80% of our problems by promoting critical thought instead of suppressing it. Eugenics isn't worth it.
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus Evolve? You mean linearly improve, unlocking the next level of intelligence like a bad computer game? Real evolution gradually diversifies the gene pool like entropy, and favors those who reproduce before death. A super genius is a random fluke, and often fails to fit in well enough to reproduce.
Every time you see a human acting foolish, I challenge you to remember that bacteria, worms and roaches are the champions of evolution. The higher we climb, the faster we'll fall when nature deals us a blow.
Humans are resourceful little apes and globalized, so I don't think we'll _all_ disappear for a while, but these pandemics will be coming faster and faster, along with worsening storms, until the population is wiped out, and of course I won't like it.
You know the difference between a police officer and a serial killer, though? I don't need some smart-ass despot breeding the population as he sees fit, thinking he's better than everyone else. Nature sucks, but is an impartial judge. I want to die by her hand, not by design of a smug prick.
As Genesis (mythology) suggests in a roundabout way, it is our very genius, our conscious knowledge, our judging as good vs evil that separates us from our own nature. It drives us insane, and is now making us soft. I understand the appeal of eugenics, much like the appeal of communism. In reality, however, it will only hasten our demise.
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus we've technically evolved a little, meaning more diversity, not improvements. You should re-read that Idiocracy quote again. It's spot on. Evolution is about fitness to reproduce, not intelligence.
And your proposed solution is to sterilize every human whom you deem stupid, ugly, disabled, or disagreeable? You're going to extract the
While this insight is great and my experience pales in comparison to this guy, I disagree slightly. I actually think that the right kind and amount of competition can be extremely healthy when trying to write a story. A lot of inspiration can actually come from looking at things that are being made or have been made in the past, deciding on what feels like is missing or what we’ve been left wanting, and building a story around those things
I commend you on your polite argument... and your courage to be honest even if it might not be a popular thing to say. But that polite part is the eye of the golden goose.
Yeah absolutely. To a certain extent you need to have a consciousness of what's going on. And sometimes an idea of someone else's will inspire a better idea in someone else.
I think it's just a personal thing. If you're feeling stressed, to where you're second guessing, and third guessing, and so on, every decision you make out of fear of failure, then you've lost the child-like magic of creativity you had when you first started finding your passion.
This was so good on so many levels. What a great mentor he’d be. If he teaches any courses I’d love to take them.
I agree. Write your story. Let others love it or leave it.
Well done interview… I have great respect for someone who not only has talent, but also integrity and wants to make quality entertainment.
Would you marry someone who only ever told you what you wanted to hear? That's the sign of a manipulative person who simply wants to take something from you. We fall in love with people who love themselves enough to love us and still give us the freedom to be and love ourselves. Confidence gives confidence.
Them Steam Punk Glasses Rock as well as Marc!
Thanks for sharing.
This show of his sounds awesome, and it's great way to bring back all the real actors, gives them another chance to show us how it's done!
I like the way He didn't need approval. He just want to create something beautiful and meaningful.
Got back into writing this month and these videos help me shut the Bad Voice.
And also: "I don't like kissing asses of people who are mediocre". That's a lesson some "creatives" should have learn sooner.
I had never heard of this guy, but I found him very wise and inspiring, I will remember that name now and look forward to maybe following in his footsteps, and checking out his work, I have probably seen some of it before, but I will look at it with new eyes now. I'm 45 and planning to study film making in the new year, I've spent a lot of time over the years daydreaming about stuff and recently finished up some unhealthy habits, the future is looking much brighter now :) Liked, Subscribed and clicked the bell 30 seconds in :)
The thing no older "successful" artist understands is that that "just make it" is not an option when you are a young artist and work in a cafe part-time to survive!
Yeah, they understand it. They just didn’t care about surviving as much as they cared about their work.
What the person above me said is spot on. You're held back by fear while the artist being interviewed is telling you just to make the art, because truly in life that is all what matters. Throw everything into your art! It may be risky but if your art is good the reward will be high!
Follow your heart. ❤ Shine your light. 🌞 Let your flower bloom. 🌻
it’s so calming and confirming to hear his perspective, just make the thing is some of the best advice
I used to watch Sliders on Hulu...waaaay back when it was free...great show
I used to watch Sliders on network TV even further back when everything was free!
It killed me when they made it back but the gate didn’t Squeak so they jumped again. Someone had used WD40 on the hinges😂 😢
@@AnnoyingMoose me too...was catching episodes I missed from the regular tv...not that it matters at all
Thank you sir !
You should interview Brandon Sanderson (fantasy/sci-fi author), Melissa Morgenstern (wrote Jessica Jones and the adaptations of Twilight) and her comedy director husband Lev L. Spiro!
Love hearing his wisdom. Always resonates with much more than others
Such great advice, brilliant man.
I love how honest he is.
He seems to be saying he learned these lessons with age but gives examples of being successful enough to have a choice. I'm guessing he got that success after decades of worrying a lot about what others thought.
I love how honest he always is !!!!
Thanks this helps a lot
Brilliant. Thank you.
Great Stuff, I love Marc Zicree Mr.Sci-fi.
I am so glad I found this CZcams channel. All of the people who talk about their job are very inspiring. Thank you.
Cheers Balázs! We hope you continue to find value here.
Zicree is an irrepressible energy - love his interviews, this one is especially inspiring. Thanks FC!
Good stuff. Thank you.
Thank you.
Great advice. Thanks
These videos are wonderful and precious. Thank you so much!
Cheers, thanks for visiting with us!
Beautiful wisdom....thank you !!
Love this channel. Such good interviews.
Much appreciated!
Brilliant commentary. Inspiring.
I like how honest and thoughtful he was in his responses! Very inspiring, thank you for sharing!
Beautiful!
This video is what I needed!
i loved this share!!!
Cheers Beth!
That whole video touched me
"Just DO it"!. . ."Build it, they will come!"!When humanity gets past having to be better than others, all WILL be better!
Thank you! Beautiful words about not racing ...
So true love it
Yeah if everyone had a similar point of view, the world could be a wonderful place! Marc is the Best!!!
Very good and full of wisdoms. Thank you. Cape Town
Marc encourages authenticity. Lov it~ Thank you Marc & thank you Film Courage. You keep us from feeling pressure to sell out‼️🤓🐬✏️
Seriously love this channel!
Thanks Michael! What are you enjoying the most?
@@filmcourage The amount of uploads is definitely a plus. The advice and techniques shared is so useful and substantial, it's like I'm getting a taste of film school. And the questions being asked are exactly as I would ask. I get the sense that the interviewer is hoping to be successful in writing. I hope to see them on the other side of this one day.
Cheers Michael!
Thanks!
Hi Lisa! Thank you so much for supporting our channel! Marc Zicree is one of our favorites. Great to see this one resonate with you.
I don't know how I started getting recommend this channel, but damn this video is so good it made me sub. I definitely enjoy listening to stuff like this while I work.
Good questions and it is great, that Marc is so open about his experience. Thank you!
This interview really resonates. So many great insights and points of view to keep me motivated. Also, I LOVE YOUR VOICE! I could listen to you asking questions al day long
Very interesting interview, really enjoying these inspiring videos on film courage
"I think all the time about my audience, and I know that not all authors do this. And my friends who are more highbrow writers than I am don’t think as I do about the reader. All the time every page, I think, ‘Will readers like this? Will they believe that this could happen? Will they care?’ And most importantly, ‘Will they want to know what happens next?’ I think about that constantly."
Ken Follett. Over 190 million books sold.
Thoughtful
Lovely! 😊
superb advice
Thank you for putting this up. Extremely helpful to hear advice from people who've done it, who have something to say.
Glad you enjoyed it!
When I started watching this channel, i was intrigued by the knowledge and competence of the presenters. Now I'm just intimidated.
I love the idea behind his show, I see so many actors I grew up watching going to waste in boring stereotypical roles.
The quilt analogy hit me SO hard
i remarked the notion of responsibility towards peoples' lives when writing a TV series. An eye-opener.
I cannot love this enough.
Wow.
i love this guy seriously
This is great advice 🙏👏👏👏👏