@@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810 yep, people in this country can't take grounded, sober analysis. They are more attracted to political double speak or emotionalism which appeals to their base instincts.
I'm from Sydney, and I felt exactly the same as Will Self before 2000. A lot of it proved to be true. The development was a white elephant and the money would've been better spent on vital economic infrastructure. There was a mini recession in Sydney after the games. But it was all worth it. The way it brought everyone in the city together and made us feel good. It was a two week party, which doesn't make a lot of sense under sober analysis, but had an intangible benefit that was worthwhile.
As someone who worked at Olympic Park in security, two facts we were privy to:- 1. Approx 15,000 empty seats at opening ceremony,... good editing BBC 2. The Olympic stadium had a 230% increase in disabled 'seats' for Paralympics, from 150 to 500 (80,000 capacity),....wow their cup overflowth
I also worked at the Olympic park and can fully say you're bullshitting on the opening ceremony. The only empty seats were intentionally left empty because of the stage blocking it. Don't spread lies, and don't work for something you hate.
This is a few days late, but I would just like to say, that in retrospect, it has been a pleasure to discuss a loaded subject with someone coherent and reasonable.
You are not referring to what I am referring. I have not sourced anything from the BNP website. I am referring to a report about stranger rapes in Oslo in a single year reported directly by the Oslo police not some academic report about all rapes across several years.
Can you direct me to the 'earlier' study please? Give me the author of the study, name of the study, etc etc,I'd like to see the figures an research please. Couldn't find the Malmo Police Figures anywhere except a vague reference except on wikipedia - just so you know wikipedia is not scientific literature, it can be edited by anybody and as such should not be referenced
I enjoyed reading Will Self when I was in my teens and hadn't read much - especially the dirty bits of his books. However, I realised over time that he doesn't have much talent as a writer - he's just an amusing hack, and I bet he realises this deep down. HOWEVER - he is one hell of a TV debater. Everything he says here is spot on, and he knows his facts much better than Tessa Jowell does. Totally wipes the floor with her here.
The Olympics were a glittering monument to great athleticism and sporting drama. The Opening and Closing Ceremonies were a tip of the hat British culture and society. Nowhere in it was a solution to any issues. Now that the tournament is over, Britain's tourist industry has had a boost, things will return to a status quo of an underclass, working class, middle class, and upper class. I watched the Olympics and enjoyed them, but they could've happened anywhere for the sport to be good.
MIGHT? Something we didn't ask for, something we were never consulted about MIGHT work after all if we just keep quiet about its problems and keep the faith with the plan we were never involved with. Why doesn't that make me feel reassured?
A catchphrase is an efficient way of quickly stating and introducing your case to the public. If there is already a logical fallacy in the introduction of an idea or argument, most people will write it off as nonsense before you can explain it. Furthermore, needing to explain the catchphrase will mean you are constantly on the defencive, rather than proceeding to argue the points you set out to make.
I think you are confusing what real evidence and real citations are. Just reeling off statistics and saying they belong to 'Oslo statistics' is not citing evidence, why is something as basic as an authors name and a title of a report such a difficult thing to post??
Hmm is that the original or the one you read on Wikipedia?? It is a very large study, I cannot respond to it in enough detail on here, however, please watch this video: /watch?v=gLfwpZzPyM0 - as this highlights numerous faults with the study. Also read the comments section in detail, there are some interesting observations by people who clearly know far more about the study than I do.
Show me a link to these figures, show me who this has been published by, who conducted the study, who has came up with these figures - they sound like there from the Daily Mail to me but if they are from a genuine study group I will happily accept them. You cannot just spout these figures without pointing me in the direction of where they have come from so please enlighten me
You missed the point. I asked you to give an analogy which worked, any analogy of anything. That one fails, all analogies fail when you want them to destroy them.
Competitive Sport is part of western culture. Ethical tenets of sport include fair play, courtesy toward teammates and opponents, high standards of behaviour, integrity, and grace in victory or defeat. We respect your culture and would never claim it caused 'massive offence', please respect ours.
It reminds me of when I was in primary school and we had a special assembly to tell us that we'd all soon be joined by a disabled pupil, but that we shouldn't treat him any differently etc., and I remember even then being aware of the paradox of that meeting. Yes, we should just group athetics together I reckon. Disabled athletes are either athletes or they're not. 'Paralympics' seems a little patronising, like we're letting them 'have a go' after the party's over.
The problem is that there was never any call for immigrants to come to Britain from the people of Britain. Never were they asked whether they would prefer higher wages or wages held down by a bunch of Indians and Pakistanis doing the work. Similarly the people were never asked whether they wanted their "betters" to stop capital punishment or corporal punishment or legalize sodomy. The people's interests have been betrayed by politicians who take them for granted and despise their opinions.
If conditions in the east of London are that bad they should have been improved anyway. Why does it requires the temporary residence of a bunch of elite athletes to make it worthwhile?
@TheTomtuffy Food and drink & accomodation won't scratch the surface of the costs alone, but there are so many other areas where revenue will be increased and indirect costs reduced. In Sydney, tourism revenue was up £6 billion in the year after the olympics compare with the year before. These are figures that will help the whole of Britain. You need to invest in sports, arts and architecture every so often to keep tourism high and our relative tourism revenue has been dropping for years!
So you won't even try. No, it would not be right to remove somebody from campus for being a racist. Everybody gets called a racist by somebody these days and even racists deserve the right to study and yes, even to teach.
Here he is wittering on nearly a year ago but despite all his blustering today's Olympic onset is proving magnificent. Now it's Jubilee time he can have a go at the Queen, Will - oh I see he already has: Google ''I'm not toasting [insert head-of-state here]' Was it huff and puff that blew his house down?
The middle Saturday with gold medals for Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, and Greg Rutherford, you can't get much more of a Wimbledon effect than that. Less than a year later the athletic club in Sheffield where Ennis trained had its funding cut and was closed. Zero legacy, there is almost no political interest in this country to get people active.
oh please answer me this question: when did 'diversity' turn up? When did that happen exactl?, I would love to hear when you think it started, please give me a rough estimation, I look forward to hearing your response
How do you define real science? Does that definition exclude real science which demonstrates human inequality? You have not studied the subject at all, you have clicked on a few websites that give you the warm fuzzies. It is extremely hard to get good data of the sort which could be used to cast light on these issues because those who collect it don't want people to be able to draw "the wrong conclusions" from it so they do their best to make the data impenetrable.
part of the legacy is that they have ruined local grasslands and green areas. They are now left barren and desolate (as reported in the current issue of Private Eye). The locals had assurances that this would not happen. They were lied to.
You couldn't be more wrong ! I think he gets a lot of joy from stamping on (verbally, at least !) apologists like Tessa Jowell. And it gives me a lot of joy watching him do it !
Well the police report was commissioned by the Norweigan government, it gave clear statistics (which you have tried to use to support your own views) and clear guidance on the interpretation of the results. I trust a report from the Norweigan government over wikipeida personally... ..I never said Wikipedia is inherently wrong, but the fact that anybody can simply alter a page without so much as a shread of evidence to back up the change make wikipedia a poor choice to reference
What authority do authors of studies have over you or me? Why are their conclusions superior? They looked at findings and used their own biases to draw their conclusions, as did you, as did the BNP. Conclusions are not findings and they are not evidence, they are opinion.
I asked you before but you didn't answer me - what are our values? What defines British culture?? What defines British people?? Please spell it out to me because I have yet to hear a convincing definition. How far back do you wish you go in regards of respecting our British values?? 100 years?? 200? 500?? what are the rules??
No, I refuse to play the game. I don't accept that "sources or you're a liar and I win!" is a legitimate debate tactic. It is a way to get your opponents to waste their time.
Will Self makes some good points here but Tessa Jowell, like any politician, slips away from them by making statements related to his without specifically answering them. This gives the impression that she's addressed them when really she hasn't. Two examples are the points about Lord Coe and whether the stadiums are fit for use after the olympics.
I do try to see politicians as normal people, I really do but sometimes they don't make that easy. It's as if they get a mindwipe after crossing the threshold of the Houses of Parliament.
They are always on about "changing attitudes". Always. Its never ending. Just when you thought it was safe to just do something because you wanted to, along comes a cosy little phrase to remind you of the sickly sweet moralistic vibe that hunts everyone down in society like some rabid fox chasing a wounded cat, which in fact is a subtle reminder that our thoughts are not ours, but theirs. The reality is that most disabled people are not athletes and don't feel any affiliation with Paralympics.
You will see Pakistani doctors living in the middle class ethnic suburb, there are two areas near me where the majority of the people are ethnic minorities but who are all professionals or rich businessmen. They are very nice areas, big expensive houses, nice schools, but the people are Pakistani, Indian, Persian, Jewish, Turkish etc. I correct errors when I see them, it is a good test of character to see how people respond.
Someone's tendency towards substance abuse, in past or present, has no bearing what-so-ever on their viability in discussion on any given subject. You're attempting to make an argument based on a prejudice you have, assumedly because you couldn't even begin to blurt out and argument to anything he has said. Provided you understood the argument in the first place of course.
Do you know what ideology I am "pushing", I haven't got a clue myself. All I do is point out irrational argumentation and faith-based stances whenever I come across them. I debunk conspiracies, I puncture the pomposity of vegetarians and pacifists, I attack all forms of religion and I point out lies when I see them passed off as evidence. I don't have an ideology. I object to people making human equality into a religion which punishes heretics and free thinkers. Fairness does not require lies.
What is this correct theory of rule of law by which a democracy ensures that the people's true opinions are never asked, never represented and called evil and primitive? Please enlighten me on how this works. This isn't about what I want but what the people want and are not allowed to ask for.
OK you are correct, my grammar is not always perfect - in the context of the wider discussion does it matter? Is my point of view lost in my bad grammar? We are entitled to have our say about that decision but, ultimately, that is no different from commenting on any decision anybody makes, religious or otherwise. My point is if that decision has no baring or effect or influence on your life or mine, why should either of us care?
I Love Will Self...he doesn`t care what people think about himself, he just talks abjectly and honestly about topics...it`s a shame that our Politicians can`t do the same..Call him left wing, who cares, the guy makes sense of a corrupt system.
Your intention is to try and undermine my argument by attacking my grammatical errors with the aim of showing that I am somehow less intelligent and subsequently my point of view loses its validity. You have failed to answer a number of questions I have posed yet continually focus on my grammar - if you would like to keep picking holes in my grammar feel free but I will not respond, if you would like to engage in the actual debate I will be waiting
@TomMackio That's true, but it's like when the fair comes to town. A lot of noise, and throwing money about and a week later nothing but a pile of litter. It will mainly improve the temporary lot for whomever gets the main contracts to provide services inside the Olympic village. The benefit is for a part of London, not Britain or the UK. When a country is overexcited about, and has to rely upon, tourism from extravaganzas you just know it's headed down the wrong path.
All your sources are from newspapers and a blog - this is hardly convincing stuff. Furthermore the Police Report from Oslo (which you tried to use) was manipualted by yourself and whatever source you got it from - I gave you the title and the author of the report and told you to look at the real statistics - so far you have provided no statistics or genuine reports to back your claims up, you have regurgitated opinion pieces, why would I bother looking at any more of your "information"?
(on the shopping centre as part of the sustainable olympic legacy) Government investment in retail is such a red herring, it is an industry that should not and does not need government investment; it grows naturally as a result of a healthy economy. Investments should be made in manufacturing, science and technology in order to generate new jobs. Tessa Jowel is just another example of politicians blinded by corporate glitz.
Why do you use quotation marks for 'racism and imperialism'? Are you implying that they are lies? Do you know the history of this country your doing your best to protect?? I am not arguing for a second that this history means black people shouldn't have a social or moral responsibility, but to make out like it never happened or that it doesn't have any bearing on the identity of black people is wrong
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everyones still waiting for the legacy
Still waiting (2019)
you not been to stratford Olympic park..?
@@chefblanc yes I would prefer if it was just a big public park
it is.
@@chefblanc without wet spam United and the turkey twizzler
will hit the nail on the head
Will Self is a force of brute truth. My hero!
Will Self nails the whole thing in his first utterance, the rest is redundant.
And thus it came to pass
Give him another 20 years, and he'll be a National Treasue
8 years later and he's still massively under appreciated.
@@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810 yep, people in this country can't take grounded, sober analysis. They are more attracted to political double speak or emotionalism which appeals to their base instincts.
Thanks for uploading this - Will Self is brilliant!
Will Self is absolutely right. We're left with a shopping centre.
Finally you've finished with them, I've been waiting long enough
1:07 will self's face when shes describing what the olympics means. brilliant
That sneer! 😆
"Give me nine billion quid, I'll create more than 40,000 jobs." One of Will Self's better moments.
I'm from Sydney, and I felt exactly the same as Will Self before 2000. A lot of it proved to be true. The development was a white elephant and the money would've been better spent on vital economic infrastructure. There was a mini recession in Sydney after the games. But it was all worth it. The way it brought everyone in the city together and made us feel good. It was a two week party, which doesn't make a lot of sense under sober analysis, but had an intangible benefit that was worthwhile.
The fact that seats were empty does not imply that there were unsold tickets, just that not every seat was filled.
"Welcome to Newsnight ladies, allow me to introduce you to your executioner."
WILL WAS SPOT ON WITH HIS COMMENTS ESPECIALLY THE 9 BILLION QUIP ABOUT CREATING JOBS
As someone who worked at Olympic Park in security, two facts we were privy to:-
1. Approx 15,000 empty seats at opening ceremony,... good editing BBC
2. The Olympic stadium had a 230% increase in disabled 'seats' for Paralympics, from 150 to 500 (80,000 capacity),....wow their cup overflowth
I also worked at the Olympic park and can fully say you're bullshitting on the opening ceremony. The only empty seats were intentionally left empty because of the stage blocking it. Don't spread lies, and don't work for something you hate.
The BBC didn't edit anything, it was live ffs. The international broadcasts also showed the same thing, which BBC did not have a hand in.
Will is cool and collected. His argument is researched and thought-out and also correct.
This is a few days late, but I would just like to say, that in retrospect, it has been a pleasure to discuss a loaded subject with someone coherent and reasonable.
Strange, when blacks and gays and women achieve greatness those factors are always significant and a source of pride for unrelated strangers.
Will Self - tells it like it is - AWESOME
Will self really does cut through the crap. I like him...
:D
6:48 - hilarious analogy. Will Self is spot on, Tessa Jowell looked very very bad in this interview , everything she said seemed to ring hollow
Hey, I tried to search for that article but the link came up as dead, can you retype it, make sure everything is spot on, cheers
Touché
i love how vague the athlete woman was on everything. She was probably thinking "fuck this, imma sit this one out in the fence" lol
You are not referring to what I am referring. I have not sourced anything from the BNP website. I am referring to a report about stranger rapes in Oslo in a single year reported directly by the Oslo police not some academic report about all rapes across several years.
Can you direct me to the 'earlier' study please? Give me the author of the study, name of the study, etc etc,I'd like to see the figures an research please. Couldn't find the Malmo Police Figures anywhere except a vague reference except on wikipedia - just so you know wikipedia is not scientific literature, it can be edited by anybody and as such should not be referenced
I enjoyed reading Will Self when I was in my teens and hadn't read much - especially the dirty bits of his books. However, I realised over time that he doesn't have much talent as a writer - he's just an amusing hack, and I bet he realises this deep down. HOWEVER - he is one hell of a TV debater. Everything he says here is spot on, and he knows his facts much better than Tessa Jowell does. Totally wipes the floor with her here.
p.s. my grammatical errors are delibrerate now, but feel free to correct them to your hearts content
Well I feel he's made a very worthwhile contribution.
What precedents are there for mixing different people?
The Olympics were a glittering monument to great athleticism and sporting drama. The Opening and Closing Ceremonies were a tip of the hat British culture and society. Nowhere in it was a solution to any issues. Now that the tournament is over, Britain's tourist industry has had a boost, things will return to a status quo of an underclass, working class, middle class, and upper class. I watched the Olympics and enjoyed them, but they could've happened anywhere for the sport to be good.
Tolerance is the most patronizing word. We don't want to be to be 'tolerated'!
Will Self is brilliant.
I love the look of scorn on Will's face at 1:07 :)
Did you really mean that or did you just say it to get attention?
MIGHT? Something we didn't ask for, something we were never consulted about MIGHT work after all if we just keep quiet about its problems and keep the faith with the plan we were never involved with. Why doesn't that make me feel reassured?
haha you can see paxman trying not to burst into laughter around 7 mins
who does he take his writing from?
@durananrananrananran Which one?
This is the first comment I have seen from you and the only one I will read, you have spectacularly failed the test.
If you haven't seen it, do check out Mark Perryman's 'Why the Olympics Aren't Good For Us'.
A catchphrase is an efficient way of quickly stating and introducing your case to the public. If there is already a logical fallacy in the introduction of an idea or argument, most people will write it off as nonsense before you can explain it. Furthermore, needing to explain the catchphrase will mean you are constantly on the defencive, rather than proceeding to argue the points you set out to make.
The man has a witheringly good vocabulary.
I think you are confusing what real evidence and real citations are. Just reeling off statistics and saying they belong to 'Oslo statistics' is not citing evidence, why is something as basic as an authors name and a title of a report such a difficult thing to post??
Hmm is that the original or the one you read on Wikipedia?? It is a very large study, I cannot respond to it in enough detail on here, however, please watch this video: /watch?v=gLfwpZzPyM0 - as this highlights numerous faults with the study. Also read the comments section in detail, there are some interesting observations by people who clearly know far more about the study than I do.
Show me a link to these figures, show me who this has been published by, who conducted the study, who has came up with these figures - they sound like there from the Daily Mail to me but if they are from a genuine study group I will happily accept them. You cannot just spout these figures without pointing me in the direction of where they have come from so please enlighten me
You missed the point. I asked you to give an analogy which worked, any analogy of anything. That one fails, all analogies fail when you want them to destroy them.
Once again please define for me what 'British Values' are?
I like how she said 'the first sellout olympics', even though there was more empty seats than in Beijing or Athens.
Why ?
Competitive Sport is part of western culture. Ethical tenets of sport include fair play, courtesy toward teammates and opponents, high standards of behaviour, integrity, and grace in victory or defeat. We respect your culture and would never claim it caused 'massive offence', please respect ours.
It reminds me of when I was in primary school and we had a special assembly to tell us that we'd all soon be joined by a disabled pupil, but that we shouldn't treat him any differently etc., and I remember even then being aware of the paradox of that meeting. Yes, we should just group athetics together I reckon. Disabled athletes are either athletes or they're not. 'Paralympics' seems a little patronising, like we're letting them 'have a go' after the party's over.
The problem is that there was never any call for immigrants to come to Britain from the people of Britain. Never were they asked whether they would prefer higher wages or wages held down by a bunch of Indians and Pakistanis doing the work. Similarly the people were never asked whether they wanted their "betters" to stop capital punishment or corporal punishment or legalize sodomy. The people's interests have been betrayed by politicians who take them for granted and despise their opinions.
You correct errors when you see them? That says more about your character than anybody elses
If conditions in the east of London are that bad they should have been improved anyway. Why does it requires the temporary residence of a bunch of elite athletes to make it worthwhile?
@gravidplum The similarities are astonishing!
@TheTomtuffy Food and drink & accomodation won't scratch the surface of the costs alone, but there are so many other areas where revenue will be increased and indirect costs reduced. In Sydney, tourism revenue was up £6 billion in the year after the olympics compare with the year before. These are figures that will help the whole of Britain. You need to invest in sports, arts and architecture every so often to keep tourism high and our relative tourism revenue has been dropping for years!
So you won't even try.
No, it would not be right to remove somebody from campus for being a racist. Everybody gets called a racist by somebody these days and even racists deserve the right to study and yes, even to teach.
Here he is wittering on nearly a year ago but despite all his blustering today's Olympic onset is proving magnificent.
Now it's Jubilee time he can have a go at the Queen, Will - oh I see he already has:
Google ''I'm not toasting [insert head-of-state here]'
Was it huff and puff that blew his house down?
Will Self is such a joyless person.
The Olympics are disgusting, most of the residents of Tower Hamlets who were supposed to see the 'benefit' are now living in Barnsley
If I am the disgusting embarrassment in this debate then I think I might start to believe that the world is comig to an end this year
Can't you do your own research for ANYTHING? Is Google blocked on your computer or something?
The middle Saturday with gold medals for Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, and Greg Rutherford, you can't get much more of a Wimbledon effect than that. Less than a year later the athletic club in Sheffield where Ennis trained had its funding cut and was closed. Zero legacy, there is almost no political interest in this country to get people active.
Will Self is a fucking legend! Cuts through the bullshit like a razor...
Still waiting for the legacy (2024)
oh please answer me this question: when did 'diversity' turn up? When did that happen exactl?, I would love to hear when you think it started, please give me a rough estimation, I look forward to hearing your response
How do you define real science? Does that definition exclude real science which demonstrates human inequality?
You have not studied the subject at all, you have clicked on a few websites that give you the warm fuzzies. It is extremely hard to get good data of the sort which could be used to cast light on these issues because those who collect it don't want people to be able to draw "the wrong conclusions" from it so they do their best to make the data impenetrable.
part of the legacy is that they have ruined local grasslands and green areas. They are now left barren and desolate (as reported in the current issue of Private Eye). The locals had assurances that this would not happen. They were lied to.
You couldn't be more wrong ! I think he gets a lot of joy from stamping on (verbally, at least !) apologists like Tessa Jowell. And it gives me a lot of joy watching him do it !
He speaks very highly of you.
Good one.
Well the police report was commissioned by the Norweigan government, it gave clear statistics (which you have tried to use to support your own views) and clear guidance on the interpretation of the results. I trust a report from the Norweigan government over wikipeida personally...
..I never said Wikipedia is inherently wrong, but the fact that anybody can simply alter a page without so much as a shread of evidence to back up the change make wikipedia a poor choice to reference
What authority do authors of studies have over you or me? Why are their conclusions superior? They looked at findings and used their own biases to draw their conclusions, as did you, as did the BNP. Conclusions are not findings and they are not evidence, they are opinion.
I asked you before but you didn't answer me - what are our values? What defines British culture?? What defines British people?? Please spell it out to me because I have yet to hear a convincing definition. How far back do you wish you go in regards of respecting our British values?? 100 years?? 200? 500?? what are the rules??
No, I refuse to play the game. I don't accept that "sources or you're a liar and I win!" is a legitimate debate tactic. It is a way to get your opponents to waste their time.
Will Self makes some good points here but Tessa Jowell, like any politician, slips away from them by making statements related to his without specifically answering them. This gives the impression that she's addressed them when really she hasn't. Two examples are the points about Lord Coe and whether the stadiums are fit for use after the olympics.
Give me a perfect analogy please, one which can't be objected to.
haha this had me in tears
Why spend 5 minutes explaining away something that could be done in 5 seconds?
Christ! Self face at 1:07 is easily the highlight for me. Shir Khan waiting to leap on the unsuspecting marmoset.
I do try to see politicians as normal people, I really do but sometimes they don't make that easy. It's as if they get a mindwipe after crossing the threshold of the Houses of Parliament.
They are always on about "changing attitudes". Always. Its never ending. Just when you thought it was safe to just do something because you wanted to, along comes a cosy little phrase to remind you of the sickly sweet moralistic vibe that hunts everyone down in society like some rabid fox chasing a wounded cat, which in fact is a subtle reminder that our thoughts are not ours, but theirs.
The reality is that most disabled people are not athletes and don't feel any affiliation with Paralympics.
You will see Pakistani doctors living in the middle class ethnic suburb, there are two areas near me where the majority of the people are ethnic minorities but who are all professionals or rich businessmen. They are very nice areas, big expensive houses, nice schools, but the people are Pakistani, Indian, Persian, Jewish, Turkish etc.
I correct errors when I see them, it is a good test of character to see how people respond.
Someone's tendency towards substance abuse, in past or present, has no bearing what-so-ever on their viability in discussion on any given subject. You're attempting to make an argument based on a prejudice you have, assumedly because you couldn't even begin to blurt out and argument to anything he has said. Provided you understood the argument in the first place of course.
Do you know what ideology I am "pushing", I haven't got a clue myself. All I do is point out irrational argumentation and faith-based stances whenever I come across them. I debunk conspiracies, I puncture the pomposity of vegetarians and pacifists, I attack all forms of religion and I point out lies when I see them passed off as evidence. I don't have an ideology. I object to people making human equality into a religion which punishes heretics and free thinkers. Fairness does not require lies.
What is this correct theory of rule of law by which a democracy ensures that the people's true opinions are never asked, never represented and called evil and primitive? Please enlighten me on how this works. This isn't about what I want but what the people want and are not allowed to ask for.
He turned out to be completely correct didn’t he 😂😂😂
I wish Tessa Jowell would publicly disagree with me! Fantastic endorsement!
OK you are correct, my grammar is not always perfect - in the context of the wider discussion does it matter? Is my point of view lost in my bad grammar?
We are entitled to have our say about that decision but, ultimately, that is no different from commenting on any decision anybody makes, religious or otherwise. My point is if that decision has no baring or effect or influence on your life or mine, why should either of us care?
I Love Will Self...he doesn`t care what people think about himself, he just talks abjectly and honestly about topics...it`s a shame that our Politicians can`t do the same..Call him left wing, who cares, the guy makes sense of a corrupt system.
How much do you question when it suits your ideology not to question it?
Your intention is to try and undermine my argument by attacking my grammatical errors with the aim of showing that I am somehow less intelligent and subsequently my point of view loses its validity. You have failed to answer a number of questions I have posed yet continually focus on my grammar - if you would like to keep picking holes in my grammar feel free but I will not respond, if you would like to engage in the actual debate I will be waiting
@TomMackio That's true, but it's like when the fair comes to town. A lot of noise, and throwing money about and a week later nothing but a pile of litter. It will mainly improve the temporary lot for whomever gets the main contracts to provide services inside the Olympic village. The benefit is for a part of London, not Britain or the UK.
When a country is overexcited about, and has to rely upon, tourism from extravaganzas you just know it's headed down the wrong path.
All your sources are from newspapers and a blog - this is hardly convincing stuff. Furthermore the Police Report from Oslo (which you tried to use) was manipualted by yourself and whatever source you got it from - I gave you the title and the author of the report and told you to look at the real statistics - so far you have provided no statistics or genuine reports to back your claims up, you have regurgitated opinion pieces, why would I bother looking at any more of your "information"?
(on the shopping centre as part of the sustainable olympic legacy) Government investment in retail is such a red herring, it is an industry that should not and does not need government investment; it grows naturally as a result of a healthy economy. Investments should be made in manufacturing, science and technology in order to generate new jobs. Tessa Jowel is just another example of politicians blinded by corporate glitz.
Great reference :)
Why do you use quotation marks for 'racism and imperialism'? Are you implying that they are lies? Do you know the history of this country your doing your best to protect?? I am not arguing for a second that this history means black people shouldn't have a social or moral responsibility, but to make out like it never happened or that it doesn't have any bearing on the identity of black people is wrong
This is great - reckon Paxman and Self get on alright