Three HIGH VALUE speakers! Klipsch RP600M vs Triangle BRO3 vs ELAC Debut Reference | A Comparison!
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- Which speaker is best for you?
#Klipsch #Triangle #ELAC
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Klipsch Triangle ELAC
Power Sensitivity: 96dB 90dB 86dB
Impedance: 8ohms 8ohms 6ohms
Advertised FR Range: 45Hz-25kHz 46Hz-22kHz 44Hz-35kHz
Weight: 16lbs 14.4lbs 18lbs
Driver Compliment
Klipsch RP600M: 1x 1" Titanium tweeter w/horn. 1x 6.5" Metal woofer.
Triangle BRO3: 1x 1" Soft Dome Tweeter. 1x 6" Paper woofer
ELAC DBR62: 1x 1" Soft Dome Tweeter. 1x 6.5" Aramid Fiber woofer.
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For more information:
Klipsch RP600M Product Page:
www.klipsch.co...
Triangle BRO3 Product Page:
www.trianglehi...
ELAC Debut Reference DBR62 Product Page: www.elac.com/s...
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Links to my original reviews:
Klipsch RP600M
• Review! The Klipsch R...
Triangle BRO3
• Stunning affordable sp...
ELAC Debut Reference DBR62
• Review! The ELAC Debut...
People don't understand the joys of those British-sounding speakers until they experience it. These ELACs sound a lot like the Celestion DL8s I started my hi-fi journey with. It's a more holistic approach to sound. Andrew Jones is one of very few people in the mainstream of hi-fi that seems to understand this. Everybody else is out chasing frequency extension to 40 khz, and he's building speakers with rolled-off highs and midbass warmth because that's actually what most people want to listen to.
I purchased the Elac Debut Reference and have them partnered with the Denon PMA-800ne, with a Pro-ject RPM3 and I can say I could listen to these all day. Just a solid all around speaker, but they do better on speaker stands and away from the wall with a little sub too.
Gratz, William!
I think I would tend to lean more toward the Triangles. I've listened to some older versions of Triangle bookshelf (Really, they should be called stand mount speakers) and they were magnificent!
The imagining was amazing and the sound stage was huge. Thanks for doing the comparison!
That was just a fantastic summary everyone could understand. You have a way of succinctly articulating like no other reviewer. Thanks Sean!
I like that you note placement and room size. Too many reviewers just talk about the speakers as if the room dimensions or limits in placement are irrelevant variables. For example, why buy a speaker for its bass extension if your only option is to place its rear port next to a wall?
You nailed it Sean! This was a perfect review other reviewers should learn from. I really like that you always take into consideration different listener preferences, different amplification types, and speaker placement variations.
Based on your review I’d choose the Triangles, since I can’t live without laser-focused imaging, but I already own KEF LS50s ))
I just put together my first system and paired the IotaAVX with these Triangle speakers. I am beyond pleased with the result and I haven't adequately broken in the system yet. Waiting on my U-turn TT and I'll be set.
Sean, love this new review format. It is exactly what I, as a neophyte beginning my journey into the audiophile community, am looking for from a review---comparisons among similar products in similar price ranges so I can make an informed buying decision or increase my knowledge about gear in a category. Thanks for the hard work!
I gotta say, Sean nailed the RP-600M sound in his description. I had guests over the other day and had them powered by a Tube amp. The guests said it sounded like a live performance....
what tube amp? Sean says Kefs (my speakers) can be a bit too much in the hight end. maybe the tube amp will even it out?
@@joem5994 muzishare X7. I've owned a bunch of different class of amps and this class A tube amp is hands down head and shoulders above the rest. Not sure what the deal w class A is but it adds so much soul to the music. Go class A if you can afford to...just fills out the bass and treble so much better
Ramisdad
Yes Class A with a Klipsch is a go
Very much appreciated this one, you narrowed my decision down very well. I especially enjoyed the section at 4:28 where you mention positioning and touch on front vs. rear ported. I was in the camp that was under the impression that front ported immediately meant that it would perform better against a wall, and honestly it had made me gloss over the Klipsch even though from your descriptions it seems that they're likely the best option for me.
Sean, you're a god send... You reviewed the exact 3 speakers I've been mulling over for the past 2 months. I don't care much for production value.. if it's a talking head video or not.. I'm here for your take on all things audio. I value your honest opinion, your insight, and you channel is the closest thing to me being able to audition these audio gear. If you feel burnt out.. take some time off man, will definitely miss your videos, but you've given me a ton of entertainment and information already, so thank you!
That said.. I'm heading towards the Triangle Bro3 paired with a Yamaha 801..(was between that and the pm8006) Always wanted a pair of Andrew Jones speakers.. see what makes him so legendary.. but eh.. maybe next time.
A god send? Really? That's funny!
I've never met anyone on CZcams or anywhere else that I would consider a "god send".
@@stephenoverton8352 LoL.. you ain't got nothing better to do huh, quite pathetic. Zero Fidelity reviewed the exact 3 speakers that I was researching for the past month.. a side by side comparison. You find a video on CZcams reviewing these 3 speakers.. you tell me. Godsend is a figure of speech.. I was being over dramatic.. you want to take it literally.. fine.. rub you the wrong way? take your skeptical, pathetic, troll-ass somewhere else.
Bun C how are you liking them? I am also looking to buy a pair - also - did you get a stand?
@@bunc7406 I like your comment return some people are just anal with saying that the review on speakers were God send👏🤣
Totally agree... for Sean may very well be the Godess Sendess of all CZcams speaker reviewers..., and for him to align so perfectly with your needs is awesome! Sean has extensively reviewed 3 out of the 4 speaks that I am considering... If I can only get a pair of Goldenear BRX's (with the Reference Tweeter, Woofer and Crossover) in his hands I too will be in heaven :)
Sean - just what we all want. Informed comparison. Nicely done
My taste is a tad toward the bright side--I love that bright shimmer. So of these three, the Klipsch?
Sean, I'd like to express my gratitude to you. You helped me a lot. I've been considering these particular Klipsch or Elac as a highly likely purchase, but you (what a good luck!) compared both of them with BRO3, and I made my choice. I ordered the last ones at sale price (luck again!) right after your review, and now I am really enjoying these wonderful speakers. Sean, you were so precise in your description! Due to that I got exactly what I've been looking for . Thank you very much! Askar, Montreal
Would love to see a round up video of all the best speakers that require minimum space at the back. IE. Something like a foot or less!
As always I want to buy all three for my different moods
Could just be the triangle with 2 different amps or a good power amp with tho different preamps is your best bet
What? No sound clips? But I want to hear how the speaker sound in your room over the Internet on my phone! 😆
I know. Another "talk talk talk" video that doesnt LET ME JUST DEMO THE FREAKING SPEAKERS SO I CAN JUDGE FOR MYSELF!
LMFAOO good one.
yeah full hd youtube 320kbit, great headphones and all 3 level matched. You are gonna hear the differences, so still useful.
Just use your 8-track tape player to pretend.
Very informative. My take from listening to you is that I would prefer the Elac.
Solomon Stewart
Me too
I just bought the elacs and i cant stand them
Borea, incredible detail and deep controlled bass.
The triangles are so frikkin gorgeous. All great looking speakers. I am thinking the triangles, iota vx and a rel t7i will be my system sometime in the future.
Was thinking the same thing. The klipsch have a unique look with the copper color and wave guide/"horn", but the triangles look pretty sweet too with the black and white contrast. Elacs prob most boring looking of the three, still nice looking speaker though
Just ordered the Triangles today.They will be replacing the Elac debut 6.2s. Those were nice, just want a little more exciting sound. Running of emotiva TA-100 integrated amp.
Hi Bacon Blitz! Are you happy with your new speakers? I am thinking of buying an elac or triangle but can not decide
Same happened to me. I owned Elac Unifis, too smooth, too boring sound. Got Triangles and love the sound! Lively, band in room tone.
Agree with your review! I compared the Triangle to my Rp-8000f Klipschs and the Triangle sounded best with music but Klipsch is better for movies.
I love this comparison format! Thank you 👊🏻
For listening to music and watching movies, for example, you cannot go wrong with Klipsch. Even their entrance level R series are good. But you have to enjoy crisp treble forward presentation. The rest of the soundstage is acceptable too, though. I know this review was on bookshelf speakers, but I include towers.
The only brand that makes stuff somewhat in the “ballpark” on price with the same type of feel as Klipsch (albeit a few hundred bucks more) are the Tannoy Revolution XT6 series.
Now that is a fantastic set of speakers that separates them self from the competition. But you’re looking at $1100 CAD for the towers (good price) for those Tannoys.
Love my rp600m's! I have them paired with the Vista Audio Spark and for me magic! I would like to get the Dayens Menuetto though... Thanks!
Love that freaking Spark. Gratz on the setup!
@@ZeroFidelity Thank you!!!
Chris Wright
Klipsch, JBL, Cerwin Vega same deal. Good for rocking out
Wow! Great, comprehensive comparisons in under 15 minutes! Gracias seniõr.
Comparison rather than more traditional review type presentation helps make the point that there's something out there for everyone.... More than just that the subjective preference is what needs to be considered when making a choice...... I'm not in the market for loudspeakers at this price point, but it was still a high value vid, strong on information 👌🏻
This is the first time I have come across your channel. You literally answered every question listening to the speakers would give me. I prefer klipsch. But I have always loved bright highs. Prior to owning klipsch speakers I always found myself adjusting my treble tones higher than everyone else. I eventually found horns were my preferred listening style paired with a strong vintage receiver or tube amp. Great review. Subbed
The RP600M's have palpable and crisp deep bass. Far better overall than Elac Debut 2.0 B6.2's in a direct comparison.
Kind of reminds me of "Goldilocks and the three bears". One is too hard, one is too soft, and the one in the middle is just right.
As long as you're Goldilocks, not papa bear...
;)
@@jimshaw899 I bought the papa bear and I'm looking forward to when they arrive!
The BR03 sounds so tempting 😬 Your comparison really helps people narrow down their choices. 👍👍
hushpuppykl
Lively and a tad bright, matching is important
Great notes on three different speakers that are in competition with one another. I've had the ELAC DBR62 speakers here and I have the Triangle speakers here now. I've tried them on three different integrated amps; NAD C 316BEE, Cambridge Audio AXA35, and the Denon PMA-600NE. Thanks for your thoughts on how all three of these speakers differ.
And which of both speaker do you prefer? The ELAC or the Triangle?
@@basiema.4185 As Sean so eloquently pointed out, each speaker brings something different to the table. Ultimately, it's whether or not we like those differences that make up what we prefer, right? As I stated above, I had the ELAC DBR62 here and I have the Triangle Borea BR03 here now. Hopefully, that answers your question.
The Everyday Audiophile which amp do you think sounds best with the Triangle? Have you also tried the PS Audio Sprout with the triangles?
Vic I haven’t heard the PS Audio Sprout. For my uses, it doesn’t have enough connections. But, from the integrated amps I’ve used with the Borea BR03 speakers, the Cambridge Audio CXA60 is my favorite
The Everyday Audiophile Great. Waiting to try the BR02 with one of these, or the IOTAVX. Thanks for the sharing!
It’s interesting to go back in time and (re)listen to Sean’s reviews again.
I’m very interested in the 600m to pair with a small tube amp, like Decware, or the budget Chinese amps.
I really appreciate that these seem to be in the same price range.
I think steve gudenberg the audiophiliac (spelling probably all colors of wrong) did review them with a low power tube amp. May have been the mk2 but I know. He reviewed both.
Triangle BRO3 or Focal Chora 806 ?
Thank You !
Sean, I'm very much on the fence. Need some "pushing". Where I will add these speakers is in my finished basement - in the newly formulated Basement Studio / Mancave created in the COVID year. I have 1 pair of Elac Debut 6.2s (not the reference models), and a pair of Fluance Signature Series Hifi Bookshelf Speakers with a Monoprice 60 Watt SW. All connected to a Denon DRA-800H , purchased this year for Music Listening and for playing music that I play drums to. Both speaker pairs are now positioned at different ends of the room - but against walls , there is no room to locate them 2-3 feet from walls. But seeing this video , it is distracting me from selecting the Triangles based on your room positioning comments. I have "tested" some other cheaper speakers ordered via Amazon, earlier this year
and was able to return them , but I don't want to keep doing that.
I have the Klipsch's older brother (RB 61 II) paired with the Reisong A10. The Reisong is a tube amp producing 6 watts/channel. The Reisong has a bit of roll off in the treble, which makes it a REALLY good match for Klipsch bookshelf speakers. It has good mids, too.
Absolutely agree that Klipsch speakers do well with female vocals. From the nearly-whispered vocals on "Come out and Play" by Billie Eilish to the not even near to whispered "Der Holle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen" from "The Magic Flute" by Diana Damrau, Klipsch nails it.
If you're building a system for a small room or a computer sound system (near-field), and you like female vocals and other mid-heavy musical genres, the Klipsch, paired with the Reisong is tough to beat.
I - Need- the- BRO3's- in- white- very- badly... going through new bookshelf speaker withdrawal...
Sean D Yes ,the white ones would round out my black Klipsch rp 160’s.😁🙌🏻
Ok
Right now I'm listening to Toto XIV album from my early 1990s' B&W 500 Series speakers. Even though they sound ok to me (an amateur listener), it makes me wonder how much the equipment has moved on during the past 30 years. Maybe It's time to go to a shop for some test listening. Thank you for this very informative video! By the way, these three speakers look beautiful...
Great rundown. I know I’m late to the party on this, but this helps with some issues I’m having buying my next set of speakers for a build.
I must say this video is even better than the last one. I prefer this order when you talk about different features. :)
Verry informative video. Glad it didn't include listening clips.
I still have the ELAC 2.0 debut. An older version I assume, mine has a circular front base port. your description of the sound of these ELAC matches mine . I upgraded to the Focal Aria's largely because MY ELAC's sounded wonderful at volume but died a sudden death at verry low volumes they flattened out totally. ( I might try them again now the rest of the system has improved).
Sadly USA Vs Europe is not a level market with import taxes for both sets of customers designed to make you buy local thus protect their own business's. but at £900 +, the Focal's simply get better and better as you improve your system.
Klipsch are very nice for rock, metal, electronic...
Triangle are very nice... FOR EVERYTHING ELSE and rock too :D
You might find sticking two metal wound resistors 10 watt at 1ohm each tied together in parallel connected to the speaker terminal of the tweeter on the klipsch should help
Should help with the mid-range and make it more fuller sounding as well
Would be fun to try out. :) Thanks for sharing.
@@ZeroFidelity yeah try it out won't cause any problem
Danny Richie of GR Research measured and solved the "hole in the middle" with a more suitable crossover. There's no need to waste power through a resistor. Klipsch has greatly overstated the efficiency: 91-92 dB/W is more like it.
@@1mctous I followed Danny's progress on his crossover replacement very closely. While he may have made the Klipsch 600M's flatter in frequency response as measured, the final video featured a *blind playoff* with actually very well done samples of the before and after speakers. *Surprisingly* most viewers commented that they preferred the sound of the *before* speakers. Speakers are partly musical instruments. Changing the insides can make an instrument better or worse of a musical instrument to the ear.
That Klipsch overstated the efficiency is pure conjecture. Please don't state it as a fact. My Klipsch's *sound* as though they are every bit as efficient as Klipsch says. I state this after comparing them to a pair of A. Jones Pioneers and a pair of Polk towers, all driven by a Denon PMA600NE. My SPL meter shows the Klipsch's play about 10 dBa *louder* than the Polks or Pioneers when the Denon is just shy of clipping. That, of course, is in my room, not an anechoic chamber.
Horn speakers are known to "drive the room" well. It's a coupling impedance thing.
Jim Shaw Judging speaker’s off of CZcams sound clips is total nonsense! I did the Danny Richie upgrade on my rp600’s and they are better in every way. Better soundstage, more clarity, better separation and tighter bass.
Good job Sean !!! Love to pair the elac with the Emotiva Stack . The E-S has that forward sound a lil on the bright side of netural 😆
Spot on with the Elacs, also, despite being balanced, it’s still highly detailed - the highs are very well delineated without being rolled off. My biggest caveat is the so so quality of the vinyl wood veneers
FOMO TV Review Me too. I just can’t get past the 70’s RV cabinetry finish on my DBR’s. I like them quite a lot, but I don’t think it’s enough to keep $600+ tied up in a speaker that makes me wince a little when I look at it. BRO3’s have been ordered as of three days ago.
I understand the ELAC DR62 just came out, but what's with everybody forgetting that the UniFi is a BETTER SPEAKER!!!
That's the first "intelligent" comparison I've seen. THANKS !
I was very much interested in the Triangle but they would be placed 10" in front of a wall in my home, so I guess I would be better off with the Klipsch. Your comment was spot on !
Wow🤯🤯🤯 what a fantastic review this is how it's done people comparison like this down to the point of a very understandable very unbiased but I know you love the triangle LOL but you gave those other speakers a fair shot and accurate summary one of your best reviews bro👍👌👍💪💪🙌🙌😎😎
very informative. thanks for going into the subtleties of each speaker. this is the price range i've been looking at to get into higher quality audio. was leaning towards bro3 and denon 600ne combo. want to buy monolith sand fillable stands. will be for small apartment. can't test all this audio out where i live so your videos are a godsend.
I've never heard the triangle and since the adorama link won't load for me I probably never will. I wonder how much of their appeal is just having a paper cone which has become rare these days. Paper is still a great cone material and is great at preventing breakup. Light and naturally damped.
hmm. Loaded just fine for me. www.adorama.com/triborteb35v.html
Are you using a VPN? Quite a few retail sites won't connect to a VPN service. If so, disable it and try again.
Try Adirondack Audio and Video in NY. adkav.com/product/borea-br03/
That's where I ordered mine.
I really like this direct comparison, very helpful. Steve Guttenberg made a comment once that if you are going to own multiple sets of speakers, you should vary the type: a cone/box, a waveguide, an electrostatic etc. What's your opinion on that? And would you agree with his comment?
I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do it. Own whatever the f*** makes you happy. That said, I see where he's coming from. Each different design type will deliver a distinctly different sound.. so the idea is that you'll have multiple systems that sound totally different from one another. This will allow you can play whatever music you're in the mood for on the system that sounds best for it.
Interesting. I had the opposite experience with the ELAC - tried them out for a few days and the high-end felt brittle and flat through the rest of the spectrum compared to by UB5s
I got to compare the RP600m against the JBL 530 and I thought the 530s totally out classed them.
I've had the 530's and can (kinda) get that.
The JBL 530's are more pleasant sounding but also less transparent. Pay your money, make your choice.
The RP600m have okay transparency. The treble is a bit hot and the drivers are metal so you get a coloration...but I wouldn’t call that type of coloration transparent. It’s that distinct Klipsch sound that is pretty consistent through their product line. Things get different with the Heritage Line.
@@ZeroFidelity I have both of them, can't resist a bargain, got the 600m at intro price of $439 and 530 at blowout $299.The JBLs give you a center stage, sheen, concert seat while the Klipsch puts you on a lively crowded, raw, barstool.
I have the Elac UniFi UF5 floor-stander speakers and I love the balanced and easy to listen to sound they produce. But with good recordings the detail and realism is spectacularly seducing. Truly the audiophile experience. I'm sure the Elacs in this video follow along the same sound signature lines as do my UF5's.. I find that the forward sound-stage and forced dynamics of some of these other speakers is fun, but after hearing balance for a while I just can't go back because I feel I'm being sold the 'wow' factor rather than being seduced into a deep, subtle sound-space chalk full of detail, layers and depth.... I don't need to be amazed on purpose anymore... I need to discover amazement on my own as I sit with a speaker that gently and slowly reveals it's subtle strengths to me over time.... P.S. I am also using Dirac room correction and the result is an even more focused perfection of balance and depth. Dirac corrects the slightly foreward midrange of the Elacs and provides what Andrew probably would have created if he had a few hundred more dollars to spend on the UniFi series.... It's truly an out of body experience! :)
Andrew Jones is the Elon Musk of speakers. There is no comparison for his aptitude. Dudes who buy anything other than Andrew Jones speakers AT THIS PRICE POINT are dumb dudes.
I totally agree!
How about these compared to the Elac UB52 ?
Triangle for me 🙋🏼♀️ , hard to beat the French on quality
Great job Sean! Cramming a lot of quality information into a short time format.I was really interested in the older Elac speakers at one time and I'm sure that I would love to own these or the Bros but I've got a doorway on the back right wall of my living room and to have speakers that need to be out from the wall would be a disaster sence they would always be getting walked into. I finally settled on a pair of JBL Arena 120s paired with a Velodine subwoofer after a rave review from Z-review so I have the Arenas right against the wall flanking my TV. Probably not ideal but have to work with what I've got. Love to hear your thoughts on these speakers sometime. OK, I've rattled on enough, again loved your review.
Congrats on a great video! From what you said I would buy the Klipschs for my home Cinema and one of the other two for my music listening room. Probably the cheapest among them.
Great review as always...and great comparisons...as new to this hobby this kind of comparison makes it easy to not get buyers remorse or better yet, when trying out we can say well “if this speaker sounds like this then that speaker will “sound” like that”...also maybe include 1 higher priced then we can also see what we can get if we go for the more expensive speaker...
Hey Sean, Loving the comparison videos dude! I’ve had the bro3’s for about a month now and am over the moon with these guys. I’ve been running them back n forth with a marantz pm7000 and my Cambridge cxa80. Two completely different sounds. I’m dying to know what they sound like with iotavx. Thrilled to hear that you may do a video on the pairing. Looking forward to that. Good stuff, man... Thanks!
Your C.A. is love!
Do you have them close to a wall? Only reason I haven't bought them yet is that I'd have to put them near the wall
I have them on stands which I generally keep about about a foot and a half off the back wall. I do however move them out into the room when I can. They definitely benefit when they have some room to breathe but still sound great when closer to the wall. Being that they are front ported I don’t think it’s detrimental having them a little closer to a wall.
I have a PM7000N hooked up to a pair of Q Acoustics Concept 20s. I'm wondering if the BR03s would be a significant upgrade from the Concept 20s. The Concepts are good, but a bit more bass extension would be welcome. I mostly listen to prog rock and have my TV hooked up to the amp via optical.
Ryan Thomas how’s the difference like between the marantz and Cambridge?
Excellent overview and exactly what I needed to start. Thank you! 🙏🏻
I took two of the Klipsh Books and wired them in series and Laid them on there sides under my TV for a center speaker. I don't need to go buy a high end center speaker now and the way I positioned them, woah. I am Impressed,
They sound great with my MArantz reciever and I am using Boze 601IV towers front and Fiteen inch TR's for the surround adn TR 160T Towers for rear surround. not too bad for a low budget system
Get both the Elacs and the Klipsch. You'll love them both. It's like having more than one guitar...They sound differently. The Klipsch are rock and roll and the Elacs are smooth....Forget the Triangles...
You can easily solve klipsch’s issues:
Fire straight
Use the grills
Get a subwoofer
Use a tube amp and find the perfect tubes
On the other hand, you can’t easily solve the other two brands problems:
Bass speed problems
Inefficiency
Lack of dynamics
Inability to convincingly reproduce piano recordings
THIS. I have Klipsch + Elekit 8200 and they are besting my Kefs
Excellent review as always, thanks.
Have the Triangle on a 30day trial in my home now. Sounds promising so far. Got them for 403usd on sale, currently the Elacs are 510usd and Klipsch 865usd !!!!! here in Sweden at the moment.
Rob 66 where do you get a 30 day trial from?
@@johnminer7831 A retailer here in Sweden offers a 30day try & buy on Triangle speakers.
Great vid, helps alot! Any chance next trio features Dali and Klipsch and maybe KEF? Thanks.
Andddd of course, what little natural light makes into the house began to disappear shortly before I hit the 'record' button on my camera. Oh well. From the cave, it'll have to be. Anyway.. Yes people, at 2:08, I know there are in fact other options. Ya don't need to remind me of the JBL 530's. Also, no need to ask about any other speakers like Maggies, Monitors, Q's, Polk, and the list goes on. This video is exclusively about these three well-distributed, easy to access bookshelf speakers that I reviewed at this channel.
Please do a side by side comparison of every speaker......EVER in the same video just joking Sigh..... While I think there is real value to this type of comparison videos, I do wish there where more show rooms for people to listen for them self's. If only so I can get some friends off of the 40 dollar Logitech all in one computer speakers............. I know to many people who think all speakers sound the same.
@@__-vo7iq Heh That's exactly it. There would be if more dealers who could better accommodate these situations if enough people gave a sh*t about a good listening experience. I guess that's the whole chicken and the egg scenario.
@@ZeroFidelity Andrew made a great video on this very topic. His conclusion is that we all, collectively, have killed the traditional hifi store by auditioning to the gear on display and getting advice from the seller, but then buying from the cheapest online store. And I'd have to agree with that, even if it's not the sole reason, in my opinion. We can't have it all. Either we support local shops for them to be able to keep the physical location open and all the costs involved, or we'll pretty much be stuck with the online trial periods and have the shipping back and forth hassle.
@@limp6986 - There are a number of factors that have B&M dealerships regulated to endangered status, none moreso than general consumer behavior. The bottom line is that few people on this planet know or care about fancy audio systems. And of the people who are aware of them, even fewer have the inclination to spend big bucks on a stereo rig and then spend hours of their time in front of it. We are a rare breed, indeed! This is the largest contributing factor - by far. Everything else in Andrews video is worth putting out into the audiophile world, but I wouldn't say audiophile behavior has killed off the B&M market. Quite the contrary - we're the only ones keeping them around.
As a reviewer I feel sorry for you guys. You review a speaker and then get asked about comparing them to 1000 other speaker and I am willing to bet it never ends.... I'm guilty. I've asked about Totems hawks and magnepans more than once. As a guy watching your reviews I instantly want to know how something compared to something your reviewing as a way to measure against something we know.
I do Thomas and Stereo the same way and I definitely apologize because you guys are more patient than myself. I would lose my mind If I was reviewing certain equipment and the comparison questions never end... thanks for your thoughtful and articulate reviews man!!
Btw.. I have auditioned a ton of your suggestions and the freaking Magnepan 1.7i, rel 10" sub, with a rouge 3 tube amp blew my mind. I dont see how you can get all that much better at any price....lol. thanks again!!
Hi Sean , is iotavx enough for elac these speakers ? Or should buy the iota stack along with the pa3 ? or it’s not a good combination? I would originally get iotavx , the speakers and after two months the pa3 . Please please let me know your opinion.
Perfect review! Been waiting for it! Good job!
The triangles seem to be the best choice if you already own a good quality subwoofer, also check out the 40th cometes... since they are leaner in the lower frequency range. Just buy a Rel S510 :) 3500 dollars CAD. Haha
No need for a sub
thanks for yet another great comparison review ! can you please also kindly continue these series with a comparison review video of
three high value floor-standing speakers? thanks in advance!
received my BR03 to pair with the IOTAVX S3 based on your recommendation. I cannot believe this setup cost me £700-$900... Anyone who has heard it is amazed. And it is still brand new, I expect more after the break in period. We did a couple of AXB tests with the ELACs a friend brought and we both preferred the new BR03. The soundstage of this speaker is really exceptional. Thanks again for the recommendation Sean
buy the new Triangle Borea BR 10 ...fresh 2024 good bass
Great video. Thank you. Would love to see a comparison of the Klipsch RP800f and the Triangle Borea BR08. Maybe compare against the Dali Oberon 5 or 7?
I just bought a brand new pair of Klipsch Rp-600M for $380. Cant wait to get them!!!
I’ve been seriously considering the RP-600M,
But the Triangle speakers are very interesting.
It’s a tough call.
In any case...
Awesome comparison!!!!
Thanks for this effort.
I happen to have these Klipsch's and I agree. Especially on older recordings (60s-80s), where the producers may have boosted the content above 7K Hz (estimated), the 600Ms can get a little bright and tiresome. This is true of remastered CDs, as well as older vinyl, and it comes through on streams. I must assume that recording engineers may have done this to enhance brightness -- or it may be because of the too-often used large diaphragm condensers (I'm looking at you, U-47's), which have a rising response that is thought to make vocals 'crisp'. But on instrumental music, that rising response is irritating. Or, perhaps it had something to do with overzealous mastering. But for whatever reason, the CD's, vinyl, and streams of music *recorded* after 1995 or so come through the Klipsch's magnificently. Chesky recordings (for example) put the artists right there in the room.
... Context...
I happen to be driving them with a Denon PMA600NE with 45 watts or so at 8 ohms. Inputs include a Schiit Modi 3 for USB streaming, a DVD deck feeding digital to the coax DAC input on the Denon, and a Denon high output MC cartridge, which works well into the Denon MM phono input.
The room is 24' x 34' x 17' high. The Klipsch's are placed on a 45 degree diagonal to the room walls. There is an old JBL powered subwoofer in a room corner, set to 60 Hz and below. SPL's up to 100 dB @ 10' seem fine, but not effortless. The subwoofer will be the only item to get replaced, currently planned to be an SVS product.
-Just one man's view.
Thanks for sharing, Jim!
Jim Shaw Jim I can appreciate where you are coming from regarding the tiresome and bright nature with the Klipsch’s I recently replaced my RP160’s with the BRO3 and I’ve come to the conclusion a lot of 60-80’s recordings were simply poorly engineered or engineered to be played on a mono AM radio.
I find the better the gear the worse some of it sounds to my ear. I love Motown but the engineering was awful on a lot of it.
My fix is to listen in mono and it sounds much better.
It not just Motown either listening to the Four Season most tracks sound like they were in different states, the separation is so bad and poorly layered.
The better our gear the more imperfection will be revealed sometimes we can have too much of a good thing.
On the other hand well recorded music is a pure joy on both the Klipsch’s and the BRO3.
@@balooo2863 So, I'm not the only one, Ty? My salvation, somewhat, are the tone controls on the Denon. A few dB down on the treble control on such material tames the harshness, mostly, but doesn't kill the presence. Previous speakers apparently just didn't emphasize this. But, like you, newer recordings, played on the same cartridge, CD deck, or streaming on Amazon HD Music sound just fine.
Unfortunately, or not, I have hundreds of old vinyl discs and a few CD's that need this treatment -- most from before 1995. If I didn't have that treble control, I'd have to change out the Klipsch's. But when the Klipsch's are good, they are *very very good*
Jim Shaw
I am considering purchasing a Schiit Loki to address the tone issue. Not sure why the audio world has moved away from equalizers and tone control.it is easier to go this route rather then chasing warmer speakers or amps in my opinion and less expensive.
@@balooo2863 There's a good reason and a bad reason. The good reason is that if you put multiple tone controls on a stack of gear, it goes all phase shifty and mumbo jumbo. One set, well done, is nice.
The bad reason is that audiophiles are obsessive and compulsive, but lack science. ;)
I, too, have been considering a Loki. But unfortunately, I don't have a "tape loop" on the Denon to support it. I use all three sources, CD/DAC, Vinyl, and USB Streamer. If you have a tape loop, you're ready to use the Loki.
Triangle with IotaVX yes!!! Would love to see that review!
Great video! Thanks, Sean! Hmm, kind of thinking none of these are going to unseat my Dynaudio Audience 42's (circa 2008 - of the Excite and current Evoke lineage). Wish I had a way to audition the Evoke's and Buchardt's.
I had some Danes from that era. I think its all in what you want. But if you love that 'Audience' sound, then yeah, it's best to stick with what ya have.
Stick to what you have. Those are classics which newbies raised in gaming would never learn to appreciate. Dynaudios are solid!
@@jerryjazzbo2845 Thanks, Jerry! You know this hobby, you get that itch and lose your mind. I honestly still love them and this line was a classic for sure. I would bet there isn't a huge difference between these and the current Evoke's. I don't think they even made much of an improvement in the Excite series when they replaced Audience, they just knew these were underpriced! I'm going to be sticking with them for some time, just keeping my eyes and ears peeled. Appreciate your support!
@@ZeroFidelity They were underpriced at the time and hard to beat today! I do like them a lot, but you know this hobby...
Is the klipsch more efficient than the triangle in room?
I will be using an 8 watt set amp and was wondering which of these two bookshelves would be easier to drive?
Klipsch claims 95db but stereophile measured 90.
Great review helped me nail down my speaker selection for my living room system going with the Buchardt S400s. The wide sound stage and better off axis will help in the space. Now if / when I do my personal listening room would probably perfer the R3s . Thanks again Sean!
Ed
You could easily plug one or both front ports on the Triangle to reduce bass in a small room. Without subwoofers too much bass is easier to fix than too little.
@zerofidelity
I sincerely want to thank you for the effort that you put forth in these videos. I have only been following your channel for about 3 weeks, but in that time it has helped me sort out what I am looking for in the terms of audio qualities. You have a very nice way of describing what various audio components can, and cannot do.
My honest request is that you give me your take on the Ohm Walsh products. Z Reviews and Steve Guttenberg have been giving them truly over the top recommendations, but neither of them have your way of describing what the components are good, and not so good at. They both tend to be overly enthusiastic about what is working for them at the moment. I understand based on several of your recent postings that you are looking to dial down your involvement in doing speaker reviews. However it would mean an awful lot to me if you could give me your take on the Ohm Walsh speakers.
I appreciate the heartfelt request Andrew. I used to have some Ohms back in the day. Wasn't a fan at all to be honest. But if an opportunity comes to check them out again, I will. :)
@@ZeroFidelity Briefly what didn't you like about them?
@@__-vo7iq Unrefined and muddy sounding. Like Bose 301's, only less pretty. This was the Walsh 2000's, I believe.
Thanks for the input... The other takes on these speakers that are out there sound too good to be true. I find that usually when things are too good to be true that they are...
Excellent. Now I have both the ELAC and the Triangle. Let's see how they compare in my room. (Klipsch on my wish list.) Great review.
what kind of music do you listen to and which ones did you like more?
Hi Zero Fidelity! I am a college student and live in a house with a few friends and Covid has us spending our weekend nights streaming DJ sets and audiotree sessions in our living room from my macbook pro jack to my audio setup which is a Denon-PMA600NE and Klipsch RP-600Ms on stands. When we turn it up to our desired volume, the bass gets flubby and clarity is noticeably lost. What do you recommend I do to fix this issue? Sell the speakers and get some $500-$800 tower speakers? Keep the speakers and get a new receiver? I am not an audiophile but I do enjoy live feeling sound and spend a lot of time sitting, standing, and dancing to music around the house. I am a bit more interested in being told what to get by someone who really knows (you) than trying to make my own decisions about what I think will sound good based on specs on the crutchfield. I hope you can help! thank you!!
Excellent review💯
Probably going to get the Triangles to replace my Klipsch RP160M'S. I've yet to see anyone compare the 160m to the 600m (they have identical specs, the 600m has a smaller cabinet though). Therefore, I don't know how much of an upgrade the new tweeter is. The Triangles seem to be just I need with that solid midrange and smoother top end. I have the SA3+PA3 so it should be a good match as both you and Thomas said.
How you liking the iota stack?
In the wise words of Palpatine: DEW IT.
@@bassman4632 Sean's description in his review is on point. I love the stack. Honestly, I can't fault it for much at all. It's transparent, has muscle, has detail, and gets out of the way of the music. I prefer the stack to the Rega Brio 2017 that I returned before taking chance with IOTAVX. Couldn't be happier. I believe it's been over a year since I've the stack and have had zero problems.
Hey Sean, great review as always. One question: how would you compare the 3 in desktop listening? Thanks!
Thanks ! Very thorough and clear.
It would be nice to see a comparison of medium size BBC monitors, such as: Harbeth 30.2, Graham 5/9, Spendor 2/3.
I've been planning to get one of these, but can't make up my mind which one, I have heard Harbeths in shown and another Spendor model at a store, the grahams are not avcessible for audition in my country.
In any case I'm sure that many people like me don't know which of the three to choose, especially because of the Harbeth hype, which I'm not sure reflects their true place in this comparison.
About Elac Debut Reference, for a normal 50% music - 50% movies, do you think something like a Denon 3500h would be a good match?
Yep.
I think i'm gonna buy the smaller Klipsch RP500M for my bedroom. I already ordered the Bottlehead 2a3 SET Stereomour amp. Pretty sure it will have enough volume.
The Triangle BR 02 are great as well. Also consider Q Acoustics speakers which are so underrated.
Which of the three would be best for near field/desktop use?
Th e RP600M's slightly bigger brother the RB-81 II has been officially discontinued but is still available. I've had mine since 2017 and they make fine front mains with an added sub. The best thing about them besides the 8" woofer is that you can get them for $560 a pair.
In my country there's quite some price difference, all pair price: *Klipsch* €650 *Triangle* €358 *ELAC* €498
I like sealed box' s. Hard to find these days
ATC... wonderful sound, but sooo expensive
Thanks for a very interesting review. I'm a little unsure of what you mean when you say a "wide sound stage" vs. "focus." Could you say a little more? Are these qualities related to how much dispersion you get in the high end? I'm a university level classroom teacher, and I use a lot of sound inputs in my classes, from music to movies, so dispersion that allows for good or decent sound off-axis is quite important to me.
Imagine it something like this: you are sitting in the middle of a concert hall, but actually listening to music close your eyes and listen. If you feel like the orchestra is playing from all sides, that's a wide soundstage. Focus definition is - a center of attraction or attention to certain instruments
@@jp-rj7yq Thanks a lot! Very helpful descriptions.
The triangles are just gorgeous speakers,too bad I already own the RP 160’s that I got while they were still $300 ,maybe I can sneaky purchase these without wifey knowing,when hopefully they go on sale!great review btw 👍
Those 160s are gonna be hard to beat
I am really looking to set up good stereo set up for music listening and going crazy with million brands. Listen to mostly pop like music, hiphop at times.
I am trying to spend around 5k and like you mentioned, something I can listen for hours and not to fatiguing and bright.
Any combo suggestion for towers vs bookshelf with int amp?
Would you recommend the Oberon 3 (paired with Denon AVR) above these for Jazz/Classical?