Specialize in one troop type in Rise of Kingdoms [tests proved: better than I thought]
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- This video sponsored by the makers of Rise of Kingdoms attempts to answer one simple question: should you specialize in one troop type? All-in Infantry, Cavalry, or Archers.
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0:00 Should you specialize?
0:51 Benefits of specialization
2:02 Test methodology
5:55 Test Results
8:15 Implications
11:18 Must-use marches
12:43 F2P Considerations
14:31 Mid-Spenders
15:23 Whales
16:56 New Players
17:26 Final Thoughts
18:43 All-in commander pairs
21:19 Must-bring marches
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE RESULTS? DO THEY CHANGE YOUR OPEN FIELD MARCHES OR PLANS? discord.gg/chisgule
Hi boss. How annoyed are u about water camp and it's allies doing 3 layer fortress lock? If they did just to buy time while they try to slay 1939 so that they could come for us from top side and and west side passes. Hmm. Not worried yet, more li'e starting to be annoyed. Why all these Kingdom's that yell that they slay us do that same thing and not even fight us in z6? Or did they lose so many troops in 1st fights that they need to train 2 weeks still. Lool
Hello chisgule, do you have tips for KvK season 1?
@@CaptainLegionary Don't get zeroed, when u go to sleep, go to your Z4. That way you won't wake up to the fact that during night fort has been burned under your city and zeroed afterwards. If you are small or mid powered player, run with others in open field and keep that murder ball tight. It's very good way to gain ground. And that way your marches won't die so fast.
watching 60GT vs PX34 the amount of artemisias and nebus from 60GT was crazy all the AoE dmg gave them a big advantage in my opinion
@@CaptainLegionary focus on Ysg
I would like to see a murderball test. Maybe do a "most meta" as a baseline, and then test "3 1 1" and "all 5" just to compare how they line up.
These tests can only be done correctly in kvk battles. He just shows some important stats that will maybe help you choose what marches you want to try
Awesome I’ll just go equip my 10% infantry city skin- oh wait…
Thank you for another amazing video and all the feedback. Appreciate the hardwork you put in and all the testing . Look forward to seeing more. ❤️
I really love this thought process and analysis. Please continue this testing as im still a fairly new player in a KD that hasnt done KvK 1 yet.
I enjoy these videos, appreciate the time you take to make it.
I’m a siege account kinda mad my type wasn’t tested
😅
Specialized in destroying them pesky watchtower, I see you bro... an unsung hero
@@made13145 no one appreciates me and takes me as a joke
@@made13145 I’m always kicked out of kvk rallies for sending a full t5 siege march
lol
Amazing video as always!
Yes! Let’s do a video testing the full 5 v 5 marches. Also, a video talking a bit more in depth about the best 3 one unit type marches, and then the best 5 would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you for your hard work!
Know it'd be a good bit of work, but an ultimate guide to specializing in each troop type would be legit. Top notch content btw.
The timing of this video is just impeccable for me 😊👍
When using one troop type you can focus production on one material cav leather inf stone and archer ebony
I kid you not, this was so helpful; thank you Chisgule!
That is the resoult of my simulation, i consider the troop alive after fight for mantain a field presence.
The simulator remove from the equation all the randoom factor removing from the fight Equip,Skin,talent and commander...Only matematics troop vs troop so is 100% real and always the same!
INFANTRY TEST:
-Normal Infantry T5 vs France T5 (France WIN +53.211 Soldier)
-Normal Infantry T5 vs Rome T5 (Rome WIN +53.622 Soldier)
-Normal Infantry T5 vs Japanese T5 (Japanese WIN +49.938 Soldier)
-Normal Infantry T5 vs Vikings T5 (Vikings WIN +53.924 Soldier)
So the civilization make a huge difference in the field resoults in my opinion and in the opinion of the matematis calculation i made with my simulator.
That is the reason couse is always wort in my opinion for all the little player use only one troop type and pick the best one in terms of performance for open field fight.
In The case of Infantry the order is:
-Vikings
-Rome
-France
-Japanese
-The other
I’m using 2 inf , 2 cavs , 1 arch , so when I heal my troops I’m using all types of rss equally using france civilization and persian dream city skin it helps me allot with healing speed saving allot speed ups too keep up in war and have more kills and more time of fun 🤩
great video, thanks!
Yes!! This was great!! Please do more testing. I would love to see how murder balls are affected!
I really enjoy your videos. Please test more thank you
nice info. thanks Chisgule
feels good after 3y archer prioritizing with best civ in the game and amber fortress 😍
Hey Chis, please do more of this kind of videos. thanks
Loved the vid, murderball testing would be wonderful to see
I am already specialized in Infantry half-year ago, I already have 5 epic sets of equipments mixed with couple of legendary with 5 solid marches ,the culture I picked is France the health and the healing boost is solid and fits me great because am a fearless field fighter lol. thanks chis for bringing this up
Samw here
Do you still play full inf?
@@cernugaming yes
@@cernugaming yes
I specialise in one troop type and it gives me more options to do pairing. For example, when new inf release I can easily test with all other inf commandeers right away without worrying about certain commanders I don’t have.
Definitely interested in the data with gear. I have only been playing a few months so I need to decide whether to specialize
Depends on equipements at the begining its good to focus on one troop type but by time having a flexible account with top combos from all troop type commanders is better
I have a 2-1-1 open field setup right now and I'm happy with it right now. I'll add another archer march when I have the commanders skilled up
Ram YSG
Art Tomy
Guan Alex
Saladin William
15:07 and this is partly why have been transitioning from cav to archer.
Right now im working towards 3-1-1 with 3 archers, 1 cav and 1 mixed. Trying to make the best out of my civ, skin and special unit.
Plus it should have some savings in HA crystal tech.
Although the civilisation boosts are great, do you really want to use a buffed 4th or 5th tier infantry march instead of a ram ysg? The buff is great but commanders are too limited to bring all of 1 unit type
More testing!!! Murder ball would be awesome 👏
Would be good to see sev wound difference between epic special talent equipment vs legendary equipment
The siege mains need more love
I'm a low spender but old account and I focused infantry and slowly giving my hand-me-downs equipment from march to march. Guan/Leo__Alex/YSG(replacing with CJ)__Charles/Harald (gonna try to get Pakal) and I got my 30 million kills in SOC kvk using France and VIP 15. I could bring a 4th with Constantine/Aethel but it just fills my hospital for not much return I find.
So i have ysg guan and athel maxed with viking civ. Been thinking of maxing out alex and trajan next but then who should i pair with ysg after?
1B is a few, I agree, but I think only Chisgule can say it as "near zero" 🤣
Also, appreciate the time to make these videos. Really helps!
Hello thanks for the help chisgule
My best friend is a cavalry main, and I'm an infantry main! We fight like crazy in kvk! I trade stone to him and he trades wood to me! So I basically only need to farm food!
For low spender its better to focus on one unit type so its easier to focus on commanders and tech
what do you mean by all in? so I only train one type of troop? but if i do so then isn’t it 1/4 my power?
The problem with specialising is running out of troops during KVK. I focus on inf, but between rallies and defences i run out of troops so quickly.
I have Guan 5255 leo 5511, Alex expertised, Should I bring Guan Alex or Guan Leo? how should i use the other commander as well that is not paired with Leo?
Hi! Can you make a video regarding the best equips in a murder ball.. thanks!
Great info, but its only relevant late game. Although it would be very difficult to test, I wonder how this would work for early/mid game players pre-t5 units.
I would definitely like to see a 5v5 test
I use all troops type, 2 inf, 1 cav, 1 arch, and working in Trajan for the 5th. To balance I use France civ cuz that's all troops 3%health which is awesome, and the second kvk skin, which gives 3% defense to all troops for 10%cav attack.
Same. Got France and definitely going for the kvk2 city skin
i also have guan alex, trajan aetelfleda what is the cav march and the other inf. dont you tink the city skin from kvk1 is good whit that 5% skill damage?
@@daviddimeglio5466 I'd use the kvk1 skin if instead of using 2 inf marches was using only 1. My cav march is Sala Will. The infs are Guan Leo and Alex Harald
Is sun tzu and Hannibal Barca a good combination I heard it is one of most powerful combination it can absorb a lot of damage so is it true?
So Chisgule, if I now decide to specialis one trooptyp like inf should I go for YSG?
Hi, im a new player. I have a question. How do you even specialize in one type of troop? Do you train only cavalry and doesnt train archer or infantry? Is it wrong to train three types of troops at the same time?
I’m working on a 1-1-1 one march of each type since I only have 3 marches when i get to 7 I’ll do 2-2-2-1 1 being siege that I switch out for infantry for berserkers
You need to be a mega whale to get 6 or 7 marches
I just played this game for a week and currently Im lvl 30 with my Kusunoki. Any tips for him? Any good commander pairings for him?
I was thinking infantry cuz they r strong but I was also thinking cav cuz they have great mobility
I picked infantry because most players in my first kingdom were cav, and infantry counters cav, so I figured that was more effective.
From a cavs player : run away
@@black-sr9tr Cav player: this is what I call a pro gamer move
But I chose archers for their great attack.and as a f2p I am used as support not tanks so archer was best choice for me
@@mdmazharmdmazhar8992 mhm
The meta seems like is shifting into leadership commanders, where you will require mixed troops
There should be a civ with infantry specialization and 5% training boost.
more more more more test im all for it even if its random stuff
Im inf and archer,works well for me
How do you get the age of devotion city skin ?
Hey I have a question if I have equipment on my primary commander and equipment on my secondary commander do the equipment stats on the secondary commander take effect or does only the primary commanders equipment take effect
Only the primary commanders equipment count. It's like talents.
Chis what is your thoughts about using 5511 Alex+suntzu or Alex+Ysg
In KvK 2.
Ysg is also 5511
Alex 5511 +suntzu expertise
Ricard 5511 + ysg 5511
Cm 5111 + Aeth
I know the Problem with Ress but it’s nice to have a specialized Archer (me) and a specialized Inf he gives me all his Stone and i give him all my Food
The video I’ve been waiting for
Using Trajan as an infantry, archer or cavalry depends on your civilization.
Hes got a point, what are the cav marches other than Saladin/willism, Attila/ Takeda and XY/ Chandra??? They all pretty much expertise jobs
Chisgule I what to go play kvk 2 and 3 again and I'm inf guy which inf hero good in kvk2 and 3 ?
What type of troop should I use with a Sun Tzu/Æthalflæd build
Unrelated to the vid but is more than gems event being cancelled?
Hey chis! Did you see John Wick's video about Trajan and civilization? Counterintuitively, with Trajan you don't want to bring majority of your civilization special unit because the unit type with the weakest defense dies first. So with Germany, you want Infantry but with Rome you want cavs.
Trajan Harald/Trajan Aethelflaed who pair rally/field fight good??
What about crystal tech kvk's?Is it viable to have different troops type marches like 3/1/1 if you dotn go wild on crystal tech?This thing deserves a video on its own
If you don't get far in crystal tech you are still gonna get smashed no matter what you do..especially when kingsland opens and you have to face a whale who has 6-7 marches with 400K+ troops..
@jeff pentagon I never said he wouldn't get or surpass the 30m kills. I did and only purchased the crystal supply (but smashed barbs and forts to compensate), however I still ended up getting the worst end of it trades wise.
Same im interested to see what will happen maby i will switch
Nice video . I have pretty weird strategy . I am heavy on infatry . But i am using more tank marches . Richard+alex ,martel+ysg , Constantine+joan and when i max pakal i ll use pakal+Harald . Infatry specialise and non of those marches is really worth to get focused , maybe only Constantine but he is tanky enough
But Guan???
@@kennethhhhhh9125 guan just gets melted easily
Do you have a twitch account?
So which City skin will be the best for Infantry or for 311 (3xInf, 1xCav and 1xArch) please? From KvK shop (Season of Conquest) or else?
Persian dream from shop, or a 5% inf health is solid for most people. 10% health is best. Also island fortress
@@Chisgule Thank you 😊
there is one big problem i noticed when i went all on inf. which is for f2p it takes so long time to expertise the equipments for all 3 marches. while you most likely will be accumlating so much epic level equipment for cavs and archers that you can expertise a full set of epic equipments. thus why I shifted to more 1 type per march which had the most value for me.
Im just new here what s the meaning of 5 1 1 or how do we know that this one is all infantry,calvary,archer and seige in one marching
Yeah - 3 1 1 would be three marches of one troop type, and one march of the other troop types.
As a very low spender, I'm trying to focus on Infantry and Archers and maybe use Ottoman civ. Not many options for me, but I still can have fun with my marches even if I lose.
Yeah inf is more f2p, even within the first month you have Richard and sun tzu. Then Alex and so on
@@kennethhhhhh9125 they don't have a bad lineup tbh
@@kennethhhhhh9125 I said infantry and archers... you get Rameses and YSG from the wheel... And XY William too... but i'm in kvk3
I've been saying for a while now archers are gonna hit the meta strong and hard and here it is 👀
The best thing about playing only one troop type is being rallied.
Why
The fact that you did the test with NO EQUIPMENT actually minimizes the difference, since equipment MULTIPLIES the units base stats. So the difference is even BIGGER.
Question; So I like the infantry pairs, but I noticed YSG is missing from the infantry… I was a noob when I started, and haven’t maxed him yet.
I’m mid game (approx 34 mill power) and specializing in infantry. Do I still max YSG?
P.S. Charles was missing as well. Do I just leave him out as well?
Yes max ysg. No doubt
@@benpeterson6166 kind of what I thought… Thanks! In your opinion; who would you “sub out” for YSG in the infantry lineup?
@@Pastor.Yoda. depends which cdrs you currently have? Ysg is super versatile. Guan alex is strong but if you have guan leo then you could do alex ysg. Can even do richard ysg.
Archer dream team? 3-1-1 open field.
1)ram/ysg
2) Artemisia/tomy
3)cid/Cyrus
4) constantine/Joan or Mulan
5)saladin/William
Make the other video, we want more
More testing
Thanks for the tip about specialization. But one question is Edward and Cyrus a good pair for archers?
Edward sucks for late game,unless with nebu
@@user-sx5dj6eb5y then what would you suggest to pair with Cyrus? Can it be El Cid?
@@infocarl6081 Ramesses is one of the best but no aoe
@@kennethhhhhh9125 ill try to get all of them but thanks with the suggestions.
@@infocarl6081 El did is ok
I think an all one type murderball will be very interesting to see the results versus traditional murderball.
Honestly I'm trying to do a 1-1-1 but I can only send 1 march, with 2 unit types, why? Cuz I have 80k infantry, 60k cavs, and like 60k archer. And my max troop capacity for my highest lvl commander (lvl 45 sun tzu) is 134,000
Edit: my civilization is China btw
It takes so much longer time to have only one unit specific commanders, for only a small benefit is not worth it at all
I’m field fighter and not specialized to any type I have 2-2-1 Saladin/William, khan/cao, guan/Alex, Charles/athel and my final troop looking for archer commander everyone specializing and I don’t know why not everyone try diversity and make a change
I’m all in infantry + Trajan my goal is 4 infantry marches and Trajan. Edit: I also use infantry with trajan
So I’m an inf main. I just got guan to 5255 my Alex and Harold are expertised and I have a expertised YSG I’m struggling to find a good pair for everyone. I’m thinking do Ramses to pair with YSG after getting Leo to 5511 to pair with guan. I’m still stuck with who to pair with Alex
Cj
@@Snar yeah CJ seems good however I have unlocked him and that’s about it when it comes to the progress I’ve made on him. I still need to unlock Leo and get him 5511
@LexxiLove not too many even I understand how much time all that testing, video editing and everything else. Many just tr0y finding something Chis did wrong or in their opinion tests were flaud. I'd get it. They should try doing that much video's and stream 2_24hr streams while playing 2 kvk's. It is just jealous kids talking smack. I have learned lot from Chisgule about this game. Play even in he's kingdom because K75 community is so amazing.
What about a t4 muder ball?
As a f2p with an infantry focused account, which is the best archer (except ysg) for a minimum investment???? Artemisia,Rameses or Nebu?
Definitely not nebu because f2p it’s between arty or Ramses
@@hema4025 So who is better without expertise?
Arty or Ram?
i go 3:1 (3 infantry 1 leadership Trajan ftw)
Im special in siegeunits they are the best unit by far
What Commanders would be good for midgame to go for ? I like Edward from what I have seen .. artemisia is too far in future or William .. is Edward worth it investing in?
Edward is awful
Please don’t get Edward after season two he is useless. Save for Ramses if you’re looking for archers. He is a wheel commander and excellent in rallies/field
Most people said Edward was horrible are merely taking advises from players who also never used Edward before.
I have friends still using Edward with YSG entering SOC, and he is still getting good trades, if he is not being swarmed.
@@codyhummell9409 I am looking for a high dps combo for the future in midgame and I was wondering if archers or cavs commanders would be better for that …
@@nikoderso8029 like chisgul said archers are the way to go. Ramses and YSG does work in the field and I have a friend who used that along with Saladin and William as his only marches and he was doing great.
I am infantry focus but I have William and YSG maxed. What 5 marches should I bring ?
Depends on what commanders are on the field at the time, if many are bringing archers, you need to get your cavs out to counter them.
@@kennethhhhhh9125 I have neither
long story short doesnt matter what you pick you go Ottomans 5 % march 5% skill damage and health bonus, always one march has YSG so they are my jam even tho im infantry
why is there not a richard and charls martel
Is Henry not good anymore?
did chisgule forget about those seige mains???
We’re the minority according to chis
This stupid oppression of us siege mains shall END
@@Jacksiloution exactly
When should I start specializing I am new