Waltz in B minor (Original Composition, 17edo)
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- This is my first original composition! As 17edo was voted Tuning of the Month for June 2024 on the XA (Xenharmonic Alliance) Discord server, I decided to compose a waltz in this tuning. Please share your feedback in the comment section. Thanks for listening!
Also, shoutout to @Starshine777 for their amazing feedback, which I will implement in my Op. 1, No. 2 composition!
Sheet Music: drive.google.c...
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Sheet Music: drive.google.com/file/d/16sfY8faquF3KlD6hRZ0NxFi51JJXIdut/view?usp=sharing
The dissonance gives an interesting sound, keep Up the good work!
Thank you! There are times when 17edo can sound consonant :)
Very expressive with interesting color and rhythms that catch the ear, cheers!
Thanks!
perfection
Neat composition! I wonder if one could play it on a 12-out-of-17 per octave keyboard.
Probably not the neutral section but for the rest it’s possible!
@@YoVariable Ah yes I see what you mean
Verry fancy and beautifull !
And like, im curios, how does your perfect pitch work exactly with microtonal tunings ?
Good question! 17edo is a great example for this. When I hear a G in 17edo, I immediately recognize that it’s a flatter G than in 12edo, getting into subminor territory (paired with an E as the root note). When I hear an Ab, the 3rd cannot decide whether it’s major or minor; it just sounds like a train horn, which indicates to me that it’s a neutral 3rd. When I hear a G#, I hear it as a strained major 3rd, but it doesn’t feel as consonant as a 9/7 supermajor 3rd, but it’s still a supermajor 3rd nonetheless, closer to 14/11.
@@YoVariable dude for me G in 17edo is sharper than the G in 12 because I use a fixed C sistem, I tune all my tunings to C=261.6255653005986 Hz I think you are using a fixed A sistem at 440 and tune 17 around that note.
for me I feel the G is sharper than 12 because superpythagorean. for you is flatter because if A is 440hz the major second is ~212 and thus G being ~12 cents flatter .
I feel kinda insecure about my perfect pitch because it's not (perfect). assuming 12edo A440
I can tell the name of a pitch relatively quickly, without thinking ,but on G and F im a bit slower. and I can't do chords 3 or more notes. I simply can't unless its C major. or it just takes me way too long .
And I also can't recognise notes if they go too fast like in a melody or in a song. But I can tell you car honks and other straight tones easely and also theyr aproximate cent deviations .
Im verry annoyed when I hear chords in a song I like and don't know what they are, it ruins my listening experience.
@@originalname7176 you’re right, I tune mostly to A440 so the G does sound flatter. But if I tuned to C = ~261.626 Hz, then the G would sound sharper because of superpyth.
@@originalname7176 for me, at least, I can immediately tell the key of a song and if I actively listen, then I can identify the chords being played (I’m working on identifying more complex chords like 11th and 13th chords). In microtonality, harmonic 7th chords are very easy for me to identify; I just listen to the prevalent harmonic 7th (7/4) in the chord.
@@YoVariable I'm happy for you ! (jelous)
But I'm really confused. Do I even have perfect pitch if I can't tell the key of songs like you ? I think I have true pitch, like when I was little I had theese silly musical toys, like a tiny electric piano and a xilophone. I think I developed 50% of perfect pitch and just stoped, it wasn't enough for me to have actual perfect pitch.
But in my teenage years, I think I started learning true pitch (quasi-perfect pitch) and I completez the rest 50% with that ? Soo I want to beleve I have an even mix of perfect pitch and true pitch, this is a thing that really bothers me. I technacly have perfect pitch but I feel like I have a dissability when comparing myself with people with actual perfect pitch, sorry for telling you this, it's been on my mind for a while and I didn't know where else to say it
If you could give me some advice I would really like it but you don't need to really . Please have a nice day sorry to bother you ♡
Too short. 😛
Thanks.
@@05degrees op. 1 no. 2 will be longer 😛
@@YoVariable 👏
I'm starting to think it's just me and not the music, but every time I hear a microtonal piece, I just get that cringy feeling and want to immediately call a piano tuner. But that's just me 😂
@@CollinWilliams-by5cs It’s not your fault! Try to listen to more microtonal music, especially music in meantone temperaments. 17edo is an exception here: it’s fifth is 3.93¢ sharp of just (compare that to 12edo’s 1.96¢ flat of just), which means the diatonic scale has wider whole tones and narrower diatonic semitones. In the Ionian (major) mode, 12edo has step sizes 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 whereas 17edo has step sizes 3 3 1 3 3 3 1. The ironic thing about you saying to call a piano tuner is that 12edo’s major 3rd is way too sharp for my ears after getting used to major 3rds around 5/4, the just major 3rd. The 7th partial (7/4) isn’t even well represented in 12edo. The closest interval to 7/4 in 12edo is the minor seventh, which is 31.17¢ sharper (this is an audible difference). The meantone temperaments I would recommend you check out are 19edo (1/3-comma meantone), 31edo (1/4-comma meantone), and 43edo (1/5-comma meantone).
Quite ugly for me 😢
@@coral6601 once you expose your ears to more microtonality, they will adjust (trust me, I know from experience). 17edo’s major 3rd is sharp at 423.53 cents (23.53 cents sharper than in 12edo standard tuning), which brings it closer to sounding like a supermajor 3rd. However, the minor 3rd at 282.35 cents is closer to sounding like a subminor 3rd, so subminor triads tend to sound smooth in 17edo :)
@@YoVariable thanks for your answer (I am French) probably your sensitivity is different because you are certainly younger than me who is 73 , you can find interest in playing these computer games which I find boring after 2 minutes and completely irrealistic ,how can you feel interest for jumping 3D animation ,the real artist are the developers who spend so much time on these bur for the consumer no much interest ,all these technologies are good to learn how to pilot a plane but is it good to learn how to killed people ?
My main interrogation is how is it possible that so many people who like that kind of computer game are not only loosers ,I mean the average drugs dealer or guy with no work leaving from gouvernement assistance ,for these kind of loosers I can understand that but I am surprised that intelligent guy like you and many musicians have interest in these video games and the music they are composing are beautiful, also I like the modern piano compositor I see on YT ,Tony Ann ,Chahine ,Gibran Alcocer and many other giving a new breath to classical piano , thank you to read my long answer to share some thoughts about music , I think that in school and center for learning and educative purpose for young a piano and a teacher must be at disposition to play all these modern and classical piano compositions to give them the envy to learn music and not spend so much time on video games 🙂
@@YoVariable I agree, you pick up some ear fluidity over time. I think “out-of-tuneness” has left me almost entirely by now after two or three years of episodic listening to alt-tuning music, though I still have feelings like dissonance or something else in my arsenal when I want to try and feel an interval or a chord. (The last one is added if anybody’s anxious to lose all distinctions in their sound perception: no, they will retain, you’ll just become a more sophisticated listener.)
@@YoVariable For me, I didn't need any break-in period to recognize most good microtonal harmony. Given a piece that was written for a certain tuning, if it sounds good now, it sounded good when I first heard it, and if it didn't sound good at first, it usually still doesn't sound good, although I have had a few that grew on me. As for microtonal conversions of 12EDO and 12WT works, those have been kind of hit and miss; unfortunately, when getting introduced to microtonal music on CZcams, I heard several clumsy conversions of 12EDO or 12WT music into 31EDO, which left me with a bad taste for 31EDO that has only slowly been clearing up. (That said, 31EDO seems to have an inherent flaw for me that the fifth is too flat for me to accept it as 3/2, but not flat enough to get to the next decent consonance of 112/75 like 19EDO and to a lesser extent 50EDO have -- the closest consonance I could find to the 31EDO fifth is 136/91, which is quite close but not very good in its own right, having both 13 and 17 primes in it. This doesn't mean that I can't like things written in 31EDO, but it's a headwind that takes extra effort for the composer to overcome.)