Diesel VS Gas RVs - Should You Buy A Gasser?
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- In the diesel vs gas RV controversy, should you buy a gas RV? Is it worth it? What are the pros and cons of gasser RVs for camping and RV living? A certified RV inspector answers your questions!
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One of the best descriptions, and well presented, I have found online. Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words Tom. There are a lot of strong opinions on this subject, so it was a challenge. But I'm glad that you enjoyed the video.
Thanks for both of these videos. It's a very nice summary of the pros/cons.
I'm glad the videos were helpful Michael. Have safe and happy travels!
Thank you for this information. As we are getting ready to start shopping, this is invaluable. I will be watching many more of your videos as we work through this.
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It depends on what you need. Gas suits me much better. Operating expenses and repairs are much lower. My storage in my 34' is around 2000 lbs but I can also use my tow vehicle for storage. Weight for towing is more limited by the hitch than the power. I might be slower in the mountains but I can adjust my driving to it. Ride in mine is much smoother since I replaced my sway bar bushings. After you live in one full time you can upgrade the things you want to and the rest are no problem. I average 10,000 miles a year so the extra expense of diesel is not worth it.
All good points. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience Robin.
A lot of valuable information on video one and two. I was looking for a larger used diesel pusher but, now I am also comfortable looking at shorter gassers. Thank you for all of your info !!
Glad it was helpful Al! When you consider the pros and cons of each type of Class A and then compare it with what your RVing priorities are, the right choice usually becomes much clearer.
Great info. Just starting with our research. Thanks
I'm glad it was helpful Ray. Just keep gathering as much information as you can on RVing and pretty soon the right choices for your particular needs will become much clearer.
Nice to see someone with an opinion based on facts and many years of experience. Thanks so much !!!
Glad you enjoyed it Mike. I try to provide an even-handed presentation in my videos. Thanks for the positive comment!
Very helpful thank you for your time and effort.
Glad it was helpful Warren. And thanks for watching!
Loved the transparency 👏👏
I'm glad you enjoyed it Pedro. Thanks for watching!
Thank-you, great info.
Thanks Daralen. I appreciate the positive feedback!
I really liked your commentary on both videos. New subscriber. We own a 34' Miramar and it has a Banks Power Pack. It pulls easily and climbing in the Mountains we wave as we pass people by. We love our coach and it is a bath and 1/2 with a beautiful interior. We are super happy with it. Would love to have a Diesel Pusher but this coach is prettier on the inside of some of the used Pushers we have looked at. We are retired so watching those pennies is important to us. The noise level is high with the power pack and front engine but for the money we are super duper happy!!
Hi Fallon. Thanks for holding up the flag for the gasser crowd. I agree that if gassers are tuned properly and given the right suspension, they can be great cruising coaches. If money is no object, most of us probably would be driving big DPs, but money is a consideration for many. And gassers can be a great alternative if they are configured the right way. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
I have a 33' 2005 Damon Challenger (now Thor). It has a Workhorse W22 chassis with an 8.1l Chevy engine. I installed a Safty Steer, rear-end trackbar, Sumo Springs, and a Banks Power System. I tow a Chevy Z-71 crew cab with no problem. The Banks adds a lot of power to reach speed to merge on on-ramps and climbing upgrades. The Banks programming helps on the downgrade Not diesel but very acceptable The rig looks good and runs great. By the way, I am a Terry Cooper grad myself and you do an excellent job on these videos.
Hi Bruce, here's a big wave from a fellow NRVIA grad. It's a wonderful program and Terry is an excellent teacher. You bring up a great point about adding the Banks Power System to a gasser RV. If you do that and install the suspension mods you mentioned, you can greatly enhance the performance of a gas RV. In fact, like you said, it can compare very favorably with a diesel pusher in many cases. And it costs a LOT less to do that than buy the diesel RV. Thanks for your contribution to this discussion!
I bought my Gulfstream Sunstream Hi-Rise 36ft class A gasser. For several reasons. It has a Ford V8 with the Bank's Power Pack on it. I can work on it myself. Water pump and fuel pump have been replaced. Also I didn't want slide outs. At the time I bought it everyone was trading in non-slide out to with slide outs. The dealerships were loaded with non-slide out models. Because of that I had a wide choice to choose from. Gulfstream's are a top of the line coach. I've been living in mine for 25+ years. I plan on an upgrade in the next 5 years. I still plan on buying another gasser! Very reliable and easy to repair. I can get most parts at Auto Zone.
Hi Brian. It sounds like you found a great gasser and it has served you well. A lot of folks still prefer no slides because there is so much less to go wrong. It sure helps when you can do most of the work on your own rig too, right? :-)
The main reason we bought a gasser was price, and repair cost. Overall I believe diesel pushers have many more issues than a gasser. Would I like a diesel? Sure, if money was not an issue, and we were full timers. But our 38' Newmar Mountainaire does just fine. Plenty of amenities, power is fine, fuel mileage (we all know this is kind of a mute point) and we have learned that keeping within your budget keeps you out of trouble.
I think you hit the nail right on the head Kevin. If money was not a consideration, probably the vast majority of motorhome owners would choose a diesel engine for its many obvious advantages. But money is a consideration, a big one for many RVers. And being able to travel where you want and have adventures for the sheer enjoyment of life is far more important than which kind of engine got you there. Thanks for your comment.
Good information. Thank you..
So nice of you to say Sky King. Thanks for watching!
ThankU for the Info!
You bet Emory! I'm glad it was helpful.
Excellent synopsis of the issue.
I'm glad it was helpful Gordon. Thanks for watching!
Remember diesel RVs also have air brakes and sometimes air suspension. These add major expense if they fail.
That is true. But as I said in the video, almost everything on a diesel powered coach is more expensive to repair. It's a real consideration when choosing either gas or diesel.
I have also heard that oil changes (though less frequent) and tire replacement is quite a bit more costly on a pusher than a gasser.
Hi Andy. It's true that oil and filter changes are more expensive in DPs. But that is not where the real costs lay with diesel engines. It's the cost of parts and labor when major problems arise. That's when the comparison between the costs of gas and diesel engines becomes more stark. And if the gasser has 19.5 inch tires, they will be much less expensive. But if they have the same 22.5 inch tires that most DPs roll on, it will be a hit to the wallet that you have to plan for in advance.
Correct. For example, if you have a very large (40+ feett) Diesel pusher, it probably has a 10L-15L engine in it, it probably holds about 10-15 gallons of oil, engine oil is probably about $10/gallon or so, plus you're gonna change the oil filters and fuel filters and whatnot, and possibly grease all the zerks. So oil changes are going to cost _at least_ $100, and can easily get up to several hundred dollars even if you did it yourself. Just the fluids and filters can cost a lot.
Liked it very much really informed me about gas RV. Great Job! God Bless! 😇😇😇
That's great. I'm glad the video was helpful Norman!
Like that review, good points, over in Europe about 99,9% of all Rvs are Diesels, any size, style and fashion of Rv, Diesel is cheaper there, diesel mileage is better and heater, generators run from the same tank. On Eu Diesels maintenance there is oil change, fuelfilter, airfilter, coolingfluid, cabinfilter thats it..they can last very long..and have a bit more torque..many RV owner do the maintenance themselves..safety related jobs like breaks/ wheels better to the experts..thumbs up, like these topics!
Thanks for filling us in on the RV scene in Europe. Here in the US diesel is usually more expensive than gas. So there are a lot of gas powered motorhomes in the US.
Although we're no longer RV'ing, our 37' 2016 gasser served us well and was quite affordable when it came to repair and maintenance. That is, it served us well after we invested around $4,000 on ride/handling enhancements which made a huge difference. Our maintenance costs were quite low while we have friends with diesel pushers who spend a small fortune on required and preventative maintenance. I also recommend the UpFord tune for anyone with a V10. The enhancements to power and transmission shifting are dramatic.
Thanks for sharing your experience with a gas Class A here. The Achilles heel for the Ford gas engine chassis is the ride and handling. And once you solve that, you can have a very affordable coach to travel in comfortably with much less maintenance costs than a diesel pusher. I'm so glad that you enjoyed your gasser and that you posted your experience with your RV for others to see.
Really enjoyed your video, very clear and obviously you have a great deal of knowledge. We have been RV’ing for many years, but always towing them - last was a 35’ 5th wheel. Loved it and loved the 3500 GMC - that Duramax loved to pull. Now we are considering retiring - loads of ideas which produce loads of questions - Class C, Class A, gas, diesel, go back to a 5th wheel, full time, part time, Lordy. Going to do more research - you were my first stop on the CZcamss. :)
Awesome! Thank you for the kind comments Johnny. You are so right about the never ending list of RVing questions. There is no one way to RV that is best for everybody, so you have to ask lots of questions to determine what style fits you best. And the more research you do and information you gather, the better decisions you can make. Thanks for beginning your CZcams adventure with this channel!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Loved this video thinking of getting our first Class A motor home was wondering about the 30amp power and just the 1 ac , is 1 ac really enough to keep let's say a 32 footer cool enough in the hot weather ... thank you . Trying to find someone to answer this question for me . These dealerships seem to be jerking me around when I ask this ? .
@@davenstorm7271 It can depend on a lot of factors Daven, but in general, 1 AC for 32 feet is adequate in most cases. Shorter RVs can get by with only 1 AC unit. Of course when you get up to 40 feet you really need that second AC. But there are steps that you can take to keep your RV cool even if the AC is not completely up to the job. I covered those tips in this video - czcams.com/video/YNzqp1aTgNA/video.html
I went back to a gas hated diesel 27,000 in repairs 5 years. They suck
I understand what you are saying George. That is perhaps the biggest drawback of diesel engine RVs, especially the diesel pushers. They can be very expensive to work on and you are limited in the choices of qualified mechanics who can do the work. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject!
Another thing regarding gas vs diesel, (maybe some exceptions) is that diesels tend to be air brakes, and gassers hydraulic brakes. Where I live, I need an airbrake endorsement on my license (extra training and associated fees), where a gasser my standard license is fine.
I had not heard of that requirement Tim. Thanks for mentioning that!
Thank you for your response and I will rewatch..I was wanting 2 pay cash for the RV .
Hi Warren. Most of the decisions between diesel and gas engines come down to cost. Both cost of the RV and of the repairs and maintenance to keep it in shape. If you are paying cash for the RV and can afford a diesel pusher, the question is will you have enough money left to repair it if something major goes wrong? If you can, the diesel pusher may be a good choice. But if paying cash for the DP will financially strap you, maybe the gas would be a better choice. On my website, I have a poll that asks which kind of engine people would choose if money was not a consideration. Overwhelmingly, my website visitors choose diesel in that case. I hope that helps.
Good basic points on both types of coaches. I think gas engines with regular routine maintenance can easily do 200,000 or more miles. The old school 100K as a limit is outdated.
I agree. The fear of 100,000 miles being the end of the road for a gas engine is outdated. If regular and quality maintenance is done on RV gas engines, there is no reason that they can't last much longer than 100,000 miles. Thanks for the comment Craig.
Likely so however, not that many RV owners maintain their rigs as they should and not all but lots of them have the "get in it and drive it" attitude which is the worst idea ever when it comes to taking care and maintaining them.
@@Garth2011 Unfortunately, that is too often true Garth. But those who do maintain and care for their rig will see the benefits from having done so.
So true.
Agreed. I think that synthetic oil has really extended the lifespan.
Thank you a major help for us. We bought gas to start out with, but we tow a h3 Hummer ….
That is awesome Kirk! Thanks for watching and sharing your rig setup with us.
A gas Class C on the Ford E450 gas chassis usually tows 7500 lbs, a diesel Sprinter Class C tows 5000 lbs. There was a Sherman tank variant with a Ford gas V8 powering it. Granted it was an 18 liter V8, but it was gas.
That's interesting. Thanks for watching and commenting!
While you mentioned the relative prices for gasoline vs number 2 diesel, while gasoline is usually priced lower, the Diesel engine typically gets 30% greater miles per gallon at 65-70 mph.
Diesel engines have much higher low end torque than gas engines. That gives diesels an advantage for getting heavier loads up to speed. Gas engines have more HP than Diesel engines of same size and that allows them to travel at higher speeds. Gas engines have a wider useful RPM range so you have less wear on transmissions due to fewer gear changes.
Good points David. Thanks for contributing.
I disagree. Due to the higher torque of a diesel engine, the transmission will change gears much less often than that of a gas engine. My diesel pusher rarely changes gears unless I am going up a mountain.
Seems like the main focus would be, what length motor home will you use. It's highly likely anything longer than 28 to 30 feet would be much better off with a Diesel powered set up.
Certainly as the motorhome gets longer and the weight increases, the more useful a diesel engine will be. Thanks Garth.
I'm Not a RV Owner,but Friend of Mine was A diesel Mech.& Said he's Seen Cat.or Cummings Diesels that Lasted 600-850,000 mls.Avg.& Some go Million Mls.Before Engs. had to be Rebuilt.But I Didn' t Realize the Shorties Gas RV Can get by W/ 87 Oct.Reg. I Would Use 91-93Oct.Most of Time for a Cleaner Eng.
Hi Ed. Yes, it's so true that the big diesel engines last an incredibly long time. In fact, on most coaches, the diesel engine will be going strong when the rest of the RV is no longer useful. But the flip side of that longevity is the cost of maintaining and especially repairing those commercial diesel engines. If anything major goes wrong, as can happen with any engine, it's time to get your wallet out. Of course, the larger gas engines cost to repair as well. But you can find a lot more places to fix them for you and there is no comparison on the cost of major repairs being done. And some of the newer gas engines are solving many of the major complaints that RVers have had with gassers over the years. So anyway, there is a lot to consider when deciding on gas vs diesel engines. Thanks for watching and leaving your comment!
@@RVInspectionAndCare if You can' t Afford to keep the Diesels up,Mechanically,then GAS RV Would be the Best,But Rebuilding a Big Gasser RV,Isn't t Cheap Either,Unless Ur a Good Mech.Urself.A Trained Diesel Mech.Makes Top Money,Prob.Almost as Much as. Dr.,So Expect His Labor Fee to Reflect in UR Bill. Lol
That is true all Ed. A major repair on a commercial diesel engine costs a LOT more than on a gas engine though. Parts and labor both cost more and qualified diesel mechanics that are willing to work on motorhome engines are much harder to come by. Of course, RV gas engines will often need a rebuild not long after passing 100,000 miles. But again, most people do not put high miles on motorhomes. In fact, you can find lots of Class A motorhomes that are 15 years old and only have 50,000 or even less miles on the odometer. So each RV buyer has to determine which kind of engine meets their own needs and priorities.
Octane does not make your engine run cleaner. It prevents detonation before the power stroke. Using higher octane in engines that do not experience knock in normal running conditions is throwing money away.
If it's really hot, or high altitude (or both) and you're going to out a big load on the motor like climbing steep grades then planning a higher octane fill up beforehand might be a good idea.
So glad to have found your channel. Looking forward to viewing your videos.
I'm glad that you found this channel too Jean. Welcome! Don't forget to subscribe and that way you won't miss any of our videos going forward.
We purchased a diesel pusher as our first and hopefully last RV. Just to add a few points to your pros and cons list. The diesel does come with much more storage but its more than just weight capacity, due to the tunnel they have to provide for the drive shaft on a gas coach their storage volume is significantly reduced. The diesel will typically have several pass through storage bays that are also higher than those found on the gas coach. The diesel chassis is also much more robust so the cabinets and fittings don't "shake" loose over many miles.
These are all great points Gene. I do love my pass-through storage bays. And you are also spot on about the DP's chassis being more robust than a gasser. It's a couple more things to consider when comparing diesel vs gasser. Thanks for contributing!
That's why I went for a good used to diesel as well too and so far it's awesome upgrade from a 24 ft trailer.
Shorter length not only allows access to more campsites, it also means only needing one AC unit, and a 30 AMP connection
That's a great point Tim. Gas RVs tend to be a lot more versatile than diesel pushers because their power needs are much less. Thanks for making that point!
Love your channel Dewayne. Here's my question, I'm sorta in the middle and could go either way. We have determined we need 36' and a W/Dryer some newer gasser come equipped that way. On the other hand a low mileage 7 year pusher is about the same price just get an extended warranty and a good inspector. So which is the better value to a fulltimer? Could add that 50% of our travel will be in the Rockies.
Good question Norm. When you get to 36 - 38 feet in length, you are starting to max out the capability of a gas engine to carry all of that weight easily. But many do so very well. A lot will depend on what you can afford but as you say a 7 year old DP will probably be in your price range. And by that time most of the bugs should have been worked out of the coach by the previous owner. Most fulltimers I know that have DPs are happy with them, especially in the mountains. There's nothing like having the added help that an exhaust brake gives you on those downslopes. And the extra horsepower and torque is a big plus going up the other side. I am glad that you mentioned getting an extended warranty if you buy a DP. IMO, that is a smart choice because if anything major goes wrong with that diesel engine, you will be very happy that you have the warranty. I think that DPs and gassers both have their place in the RV community and I don't consider one as being better than the other. They each have advantages for different kinds of RVers.
I have Gas pusher Best of both worlds
2008 Itasca latitude.
& No Doesn’t over heat like some think 🤔
8.1 vortec mated to a Allison !
Hi Karn. That's a great engine and transmission combination. Thanks for adding your rig setup to the discussion.
I had that engine and trans combo in my 2007 Fleetwood Terra. It was great!
Love to hear your opinion on buying older diesel RVs. What to look for etc? Thanks great info!
Great question Otis. I think older DPs are a great deal, especially if they are made between 2000 - 2007. A lot of high quality coaches were made that still have lots of good life in them. Manufacturers like Country Coach, Monaco, Newmar, Winnebago, and others were turning out some really great rigs during those years. And they can be bought for very reasonable prices these days. As far as what to look for, I am going to make a video on that subject real soon. So stay tuned!
I can only imagine how busy you are not with all the new people getting into RVs
Yes, I'm getting a lot of emails and requests for information as well as inspection requests Steve. But I don't mind the extra communication. I enjoy helping others avoid costly rookie mistakes as they start RVing.
The problem with newer gas RVs is they only offer the ford 6.8 liter V10. GM discontinued the 8.1 V8 gas in 2009?
I bought a used very low mileage 2001 National Dolphin LX just because it's the GM chassis with the gas 8.1 liter and Allison 5 speed trans. Been 5 years running strong.
That Workhorse chassis and engine had a great reputation. It's a shame that we don't have some serious competition for the Ford chassis that is so often used today.
To me it comes down to the type of RVing a person is doing and the terrain they’re operating in. Out west, I’d always go diesel. The overhang at the back of gas powered RVs can be crazy. The back ends will scrape in driveways or swing out significantly while turning.
Diesel engines are a big help getting up and down those mountain grades out west for sure. But the East also has some steep grades too. Good point!
RV Inspection And Care yes that’s true, but you might not be able to justify the expense of the diesel if you’re less likely to need that torque and the Jake brake. I’m glad you pointed out the difference in the periods for oil changes. I used to go 50K between changes in my Kenworth KW-700 which actually made it cheaper than my car changes!
The overhang is a good point for someone looking at gas RVs. Our gas RV had a pronounced rake so that it generally didn't scrape. Diesels don't need that.
Good info! I have had both and both have pros and cons! 🐶🐶🐶 # Roamingwithrover
You are absolutely right. There is no one way to RV. We all just need to find what works for our unique situation.
I have a class C gas. I do all the regular maintenance. It’s easier to maintain than my cars. No jacking up. Just crawl under it and do it
That's a big advantage of Class C and B RVs. The engine is right out there where it's fairly easy to get to and work on. That makes it great for all the DIYers out there. Thanks for mentioning that Doug.
As a do-it-yourselfer mechanic I can make a gas motor last 500,000 miles with a proper maintenance all you have to do is remember its maintenance that you can do yourself and not a diesel mechanic
Maintenance is the key. Thanks for sharing that with us!
Agreed! Maintenance is key! I agree that a diesel engine will last longer than a gasser, given equal maintenance, but Duane said 100k miles for a gas engine. What? Was his video made in 1968?
I've enjoyed both your videos on the choice decision and maybe I missed the part where you mentioned this but I thought this is worth considering: I'd think that if youre a weekend camper or mostly make short trips, gas would be the right choice, likewise if you plan on making several multi state trips of several hundered miles a year then diesel would be your best choice. My preference over either one is a 35' fifth wheel and a diesel truck....no toads for me
Actually that's a very good point. The longer overall time you spend in the RV and the more you drive it, the better diesel pushers fare in comparison with gassers. Thanks for watching the videos and leaving such a nice comment!
We've owned both gas and diesel coaches. The ONLY con of a diesel is cost. You really can't compare anything else, it's apples and oranges. One tip for people considering a toad, give Turo a shot. It's an app that lets you rent other people's cars. On our long road trips we will just book a car through the app and most of the time the owner can even meet you at your site! Super convenient and has worked great for us weekend warriors who don't want another car payment or the added hassle of towing :)
At least with the Diesel pusher you can use the truck stops to fuel which is roomier than taking the gasser motor home to a gas station
And if you do use truck stops to refuel your DP, I recommend getting the EFS card to save some serious money on the cost of diesel fuel. I'm not affiliated with them in any way but that card has saved us a lot of money, especially on long RV trips. I made a video about it here - czcams.com/video/Li3J_tYxvqY/video.html Thanks for contributing Dan.
I agree with RI&C, frequently the markup at truck stops is noticeable retail, but if you get in their fleet program, it comes down to competitive rates.
A lot of people feel the number one issue between gas and Diesel motorhomes is the mpg which was left out
Honestly I don't think that MPG differences are much of an issue myself. Diesel engines are more fuel efficient than gas engines, but here in the US diesel fuel costs more than gas. So in my book that is pretty much a wash.
What s the thumbnail image motorhome? Looks great.
That's a Tiffen Allegro Open Road gasser. Nice paint design, huh? :-)
I agree with what you are saying. My first RV was gas because I found the idea of a larger diesel pusher intimidating, being familiar with gasoline engines. For some reason, lots of diesel owners are downsizing these days and there is quite a selection of smaller diesel pushers available. We recently downsized into one of them and really enjoy the better ride and handling of diesel pushers. Our gas model was as nice to camp in as the diesels have been but driving it was an entirely different story. The ride, handling, braking, suspension and power is so much better with the diesels. Our gas model would go up hills downshifting all the way to 5500 RPM which made a terrible racket and even scared our dog. I still (sometimes) do the routine maintenance but the oil capacity of our Ford V10 gas was 6.5 quarts while the diesels are generally over 18 quarts so it's a matter of being prepared. There are good deals to be had on both, new and second hand. When in doubt, I would suggest diesel.
Congrats on getting the diesel pusher Midnight. It sounds like it's a good fit for you. And I know what you are saying about the V10's making a real clatter at higher RPMs. You shouldn't have that problem any more. :-)
@@RVInspectionAndCare We miss the space of the larger coach and the separate toilet, shower, and sink enclosures. Anyone looking to full time will need the additional storage space that comes with the longer diesel models. For vacations and recreational use, most major manufacturers make well equiped smaller units in diesel where some of the deals aren't all that much more than a somewhat similar gas model. And gas RV's typically get 6-8 mpg or so while a Cummins ISB engine can do from around 11 to almost 12.
Those are good points Midnight. Thanks.
we plan to use our rv to go back and fourth from Ga and Fl so no big grades mostly flat ground but we will be full time not doing much traveling so im looking at a gaser . would like to hear what you think.
That sounds like a great choice James. That part of the country has mostly good roads and very few major hills, so a gasser makes perfect sense there. And, they are usually much less expensive to own and maintain.
Also, diesel motorhomes have a raised rail frame, allowing for much greater cargo storage. And a diesel engine has an engine brake, making it much easier and safer to descend out of the mountains or any long grade.
Good points. Thanks for commenting Derek!
Great video, thanks!
Where are you based out of, and where all are yu available for an onsite inspection(gen. cost for a 35 ft Class A)?
Hi Wayne. We are fulltimers so we often are on the move. That makes it difficult for someone to request an RV inspection from us in any given area. But all NRVIA certified RV inspectors are trained to perform a high quality inspection for you, so I recommend that you visit nrvia.org and click on the link for "Find An Inspector" at the top of the page. Make a search for your area and it will bring up a list of local certified inspectors to choose from. Always select a Level 2 certified inspector. Class As usually range from $650 - $850 for an inspection depending on the inspector you choose.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thanks!
In Ontario, you need a Class D license for anything over 11,000kg (25,000 pounds). That requires about a month full time and $4,000, plus an annual medical. Also required is an air brake endorsement. This is basically a cement or dump truck license. This pretty much is required for the vast majority of pushers.
You are correct that some areas have much higher requirements for diesel pusher licensing depending on the weight of the RV. Fortunately, those kind of requirements are not common. But it's a good idea to check into the laws on licensing in your state or province before buying a DP.
Don't know where you got a month full time and $4000 from(Class license??). When I got my DP I took a two day air brake course for $150 which included the written and practical test at the local community college on a weekend.. Every 5 years you need to write the Z test only and there is a special test just for motorhomes if you ask (don't need to know the glad hands etc.). For the D portion I did my medical, had my neighbor who had a class A license go with me to a test center. Drove the test route and that was it, had my D. Only since I turned 65 I do need an annual medical and that is to comply with US requirement for a CDL (which technically a DZ license is) as Ontario does not have a class just for motorhomes. Annual medical cost went from $75 to $150 last year. I did the unusual, gave up my 45ft DP and bought a 34ft gasser on a 21000lb chassis with a gross combined weight of 24500lb. BTW now on my sixth motorhome, 1st was a gasser, the next 4 were DP and now back to a gasser.
I have a Foretravel 36 ft with factroy . ford rear engine. same chassie as the diesel.
Thanks for sharing your rig choice with us Gordon.
The ideal thing to do is prepare a list of “must haves”, “wants” and “nice to haves”. Find the coach that meets the list you have created. The features will determine the length of coach. Length will determine the fuel you burn.
Thanks for the contribution Gordon.
Can you do a video where you discuss the cost of doing a standard oil change/PM on both gas and diesel? I know nothing about RV's but I want to buy one. One thing I am concerned about is the cost of maintenance.
Actually I am hoping to have some videos coming out soon that will discuss the subject of RV maintenance. You are so right to be concerned about that subject. Thanks for making the suggestion!
I wish you would have addressed Super "C" diesel pulling engines too! Thanks for the video though.
Most of the same points can be made for the large diesel engines used in Super Cs, both for and against. The big difference is that the engine in a Super C is up front and easily accessible. In a motorhome, it's often in the back and harder to access. So you will probably find more shops that will agree to work on the Super C diesel engine than those ion Class As. But since it's a diesel, the parts and labor for any repair is going to be much more than a gas engine. I hope that helps.
@@RVInspectionAndCare All good points that I had already figured out, but I was thinking about the less aware who might watch your video and +/- like a Super-C not having much if any pass thru storage like a Class-A and Double (Trouble) Fill Fuel Tanks, etc . . .
Thanks for your reply!
Well, super Cs are kind of in a class of their own, so this video was really more about diesel vs gas engines rather than features of motorhomes. Those comparisons for most motorhomes were made in another video.
My question is when your RV is not on the road and not being driven, where do you park it.
Good question John. That's a struggle for a lot of us. I guess you park it wherever you can while making sure that it will be safe. In the past I have used a local storage facility that has room for RVs. Their security is usually pretty good. Of course, there is a cost for that. Many RVers try to make room at home if they can. Or maybe a trusted friend may have room on their property. Sometimes it can be a challenge finding the right storage spot.
Thank you Duane for your description of both diesel gas RV ,it help to do right choice as well. I hope you can answer my fear. I'm in a process to shopping for a 6-8 years old RV.
There's a point you haven't discussed , it's the Diesel engine are made to run on the road, more than stay in a park, and not moving it for like 3-4 months or more. That's what II always heard, that it can damage the engine, maybe it's because diesel is more dry , ( i don't know), what's your thought about it ? Am I totally wrong? I fear of that cuz in the 90's government put an obligation to reduce pollution making diesel more dryer.
Many years ago ,I had a small diesel, making lots of mileage ,and not taking care of information, had major problem with the pump. I was very impress by how many rings, and part going in a small part like a diesel pump.
Hope you'll read my comments, and can give me an advice .
Hi Christian. It is true that most motorhome RVs are made to travel regularly. Things like the engine, drivetrain and tires do better when used, rather than sitting for long periods. But you can work around that by simply taking the motorhome out for a run every month or so while you are sitting in one place. It calls for unhooking your water, electric and sewer for the time being and then rehooking everything up when you get back, but helps give your rig a workout that it needs. I know RVers with big diesel rigs that do this and they never seem to have any major problems with their RV. I hope that helps.
Thx for answering that quick ,and good response too ! If taking a ride once in awhile prevent trouble , I will . My choice for my future RV is made , cuz not sitting in same place , but moving a lot .
All thumbs up !
I'm glad that was helpful. I hope you find the perfect RV for your travels!
Thank you, Duane....great info. I'm a former travel trailer tower. Now it is just myself, my wife, and german shepherd. We now have small tow vehicles. So, we are set to get a motor home. Do you have any thoughts on Class A vs Class C? Our wants pretty much exceed a Class B; so we are no longer considering those. And, because of price, we will be gas oriented. Thank you very much! Alan
That's a good question Alan. Class A vs Class C is a lot more common than comparing either one with Class Bs. There is actually a lot to say on that subject so I will be putting out a video about Class A vs Class C in the next month. Just stay tuned and you'll be seeing it soon. I was planning on doing that video anyway, but I'll move it up in the schedule for you. :-)
Hi Duane.....that sounds fabulous! Thank you very much. Yes....when I start adding up some of the bigger features we want (walk around bed, night stands on both sides, couch/theater seating, dedicated dinette/eating area) any hopes of a Class B fizzled out. So, I will definitely be looking forward to your valued perspective of thee A vs C. Have a great day and stay safe!
@@campingalan Yes, Class Bs are great vehicles and they have a lot of advantages for certain types of camping. But it takes having the right mindset to willingly restrict yourself to that small of an area for living space. Otherwise, you will just be miserable and not able to enjoy your RV travels. Bs are very popular these days though, especially it seems among the younger crowd.
Gasser storage is also limited because they have a drive shaft running the length of the vehicle.
Very true. Diesel pushers having the engine and tranny in the back allows for a lot of basement storage that gassers can't have because of the drive shaft. Good point.
Diesel rigs have air ride......much smoother
I have a gas rig with full air ride suspension. rides nicer than a pusher and drives more like a giant car than a truck.
qtpie angelica Would you mind sharing the make and model of your air ride gasser? Thanks.
Our first RV was a gasser and then we upgraded to a diesel pusher a year later.
It makes sense that a "Grateful Glamper" would eventually own a diesel pusher ... LOL. I'm glad you found the RV that fits you best.
Newbie 2 the RV world...I'm wanting 2 make my RV purchase as my home,so I'd be full timing on that note which would be best for me gas or diesel?...thanks
Hi Warren. That's difficult to say. I suggest that you watch the video again and use the list of pros and cons that I provide there to determine whether gas or diesel will be best for you and your particular situation. Unfortunately, this kind of decision is not as simple as saying that one kind of engine is best for full-timing and the other engine is best for weekenders. A lot of other factors come into play, not the least of which is your budget for RV buying and repairing things that go wrong.
Can you get a Class C with a Diesel engine up front that can can pull a car? That’s where I’d like to go in the future.
Interesting question. Most Class C RVs can tow a small vehicle around 3500 pounds. But if you want real towing capacity you have to step up to a Super Class C diesel. They are often built on a Ford F550 chassis and can handle some serious weight that compares with a Class A. Two manufacturers of these RVs is Thor and Dynamax. You might check into some of these rigs if towing capacity is important to you. I hope that helps.
You sure can. Here is a link to a video on a Ford with the Powerstroke. czcams.com/video/RBJeQ6NOUFs/video.html
What's the best way to find the right inspector in our area
Hi Todd. The best way is to visit nrvia.org and click on the link at the top of the page "Find An Inspector".
With gas you have to find a location that has large enough lanes/bays to accommodate an RV.
Good point Jim. I always checked out the entry and exit points too. Sometimes they can get pretty tight for RVs too.
Great presentation
Glad you think so Jim. Thanks for watching!
How much of an impact are newer gassers having with elevation?
Hi David. It's true that gas engines have trouble with higher elevations. In fact, they are known to lose about 3% of their horsepower per 1,000 feet of elevation above sea level. This can be a factor if you do a lot of mountain driving. And to my knowledge, the problem still exists with modern gas engines.
Just joined your channel. Good job of listing the pros and cons of Gas versus diesel. I will have to look and see if you have a video New versus Used. I am a fan of used diesel coaches no newer than 2007 pre exhaust filters/DEF. Yet I think you should get as new gas coach as you can manage. This is because of all the improvements in gas engins/transmissions. They have also do major upgrades to the interiors and amenities. Some /Newmar comes to mind? are nearly as nice as the entry level diesel coaches.
I am in the diesel side with a 2003 38 ft Bounder. I am also not in the "you need a short coach to get in state/national parks." What about the rest of the time ? Having the tiniest coach isn't going to do you any good if there is no room in the park campgrounds. That and why do I want to pay nearly the same for a tinney campsite with no amenities as a commercial campground outside the park with amenities.
Hi Wlliam, thanks for the suggestion about making a video on new vs used RVs. That's a great topic. And I am also a fan of many of the older diesel pushers, especially if they have been cared for properly. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Yes few understand that buying a quality used diesel is not like buying a car, as you know. You can find some amazing deals out there.
Sooo buy a diesel....a used prevost with a series 60 ..pre def motor.....
True if you can afford an all cash purchase. US Banks will not finance RVs older than 7 years sometimes 10 depending on the type of RV.
Yup lmao
gas are cheaper, but dissel rvs may have high mpg, right?
Diesel rigs can often get a little better fuel economy than gasoline rigs, but then again, diesel is often more expensive than gas to buy here in the US. So for me Tom, it's kind of a wash on that score. And if economy is really important, you will never make up the extra cost of paying for a diesel rig with fuel savings alone. Just my thoughts on the subject. :-)
What about super Cs
Great question Anthony. Super Cs are more equivalent to a diesel pusher Class A. They can handle a lot of weight and so have plenty of storage and the ability to carry lots of luxury items and amenities, but they aren't cheap. I will probably make a video soon on just Super Cs since they are kind of in a category of their own.
Do diesel rvs get any better fuel economy than a similar sized gas counterpart ?
Hi Mark. Diesel engines are slightly more fuel efficient than gas engines, but when it comes to RVs the real difference is how much weight they can move easily. Gas engines are not able to efficiently move the kind of weight that a diesel can. So when a diesel engine is put into a motorhome, the manufacturer usually starts adding heavier building materials and more amenities because diesel engines can move the increased weight without a problem. I guess that the point I'm trying to make is that motorhomes in general do not get good fuel economy anyway, and this is true whether they are diesel or gas. So choosing between the two types of engines shouldn't be made mostly on fuel economy considerations. I hope that helps.
RV Inspection And Care I am planning on pulling a enclosed aluminum car hauler like from feather lite with either a small car or my beloved rt 1250 or both . I’ve been looking at towing capabilities in the 10,000 lb area. I ha seen rvs with 10,000 lb hitches but not the capacity to do it . One capable unit was the Entegra Reatta that had a M3000 Alyson trans . I think the slight boost in hp and torque plus’s that M3000 on the Spartan frame gives it the capacity . ?? By the way I’m really enjoying your channel. I’ve been binge watching as you can c lol. Many videos I’ll watch over for the very useful info ,tips u give to keep me from learning expensive lessons the hard way .
@@marklloyd4153 That's great Mark. Binge watch to your heart's content. And I'll try to help answer any questions you have as you go.
I heard the ride on a gasser is not as comfortable as a diesel because gassers don't have a air ride suspension. is that true?
In general that's often true Mike. But there are suspension add-ons for gassers that can greatly improve the ride and road-handling. If you search on the RV forums like IRV2.com there is a lot of discussion on how to improve a gasser's ride.
RV Inspection And Care thank you
@@mikefitzpatrick5209 My pleasure Mike. :-)
eh everyone i know seem to stick to diesels for RVs/overlanders..
Well, there are lots of gas powered RVs sold every year. So someone must like and use them.
Diesels also do better at higher elevations.
Good point. Thanks for mentioning that. :-)
What engine goes further on fuel gas or diesel
If you are asking about fuel economy Frank, diesel wins by at least 10 percent because diesel has greater energy density by volume.
Thank you
a major con with gas is power going up hills and passing cars.
For some gassers that is the case Steven. Generally, gassers have less power on hills than diesels do. I have seen shorter gassers that move along pretty well. But when you start to get to 35 feet or so, gas RVs will often start to struggle with the weight.
I don't mind this. Im in no hurry. Have you ever seen a motorhome have a blowout? Check out this video. It will make you think twice before you decide speed is a necessity when operating a motorhome. czcams.com/video/kTufMmcqSwY/video.html
@@RVInspectionAndCare That is my main complaint about my 34' Class A on the F53 Chassis. It lacks the power to pull the hills. We lose speed on any incline. It crawls up most long grades around 40 MPH in 2nd gear. I thought about adding a turbo charger to make up for the thin air in the mountains, but there isn't enough space around the engine to install one.
@@kevinwilliamson7294 I have had two blow outs. Fortunately both were on the back, so I never had a loss of control issue. I spent the big money last year and bought the heaviest duty Michelin tires I could find in that size to hopefully prevent another one. Watch the age of tires. Most RVs never wear them out. They get too old before they get too many miles.
@@JWH-01Hi John. It really helps to have all that diesel power when you are in hilly country. That's one of the big advantages of diesel engines. And going down the other side of the hill, you have the exhaust brake to help with braking. If you spend most of your RVing time in flat country, you never get to see those kind of advantages.
Have had 2 gassers no normal gas engine shop will work on it only one shop in the 2 closes city's will even mess with it near me .
Sorry to hear that Jason. A lot depends on where you live. Some areas have shops that are more open to working on RVs if they are gas powered. At least you have one in your area that will do it. Diesel pusher owners have even less odds of finding a repair shop when they need one.
@@RVInspectionAndCare see it's flipped in my area we have a large communities with dump trucks excavating equipment lots of diesel mechanics around. With shops to handle diesel pushers. Reasons we've unloaded are gasser. The few gas shops around are charging roughly $125 an hour compared to our diesel shop mechanics who are $85 an hour and a lot of these shops if you pay cash their hourly rate is even less than that
That's very unusual. In many areas it's hard to find a diesel mechanic for less than $150/hour. And if you do, they may not choose to work on diesel powered RVs.
@@RVInspectionAndCare you are correct fortunately about three of them are certified to work on buses and they work on their electrical systems as well they are very welcoming to diesel pushers. It does seem to off put many mechanics also like you say even gas or diesel they see this huge box of wires on Wheels rolling in and they usually point you down the road. It's almost a dying art to find the mechanics that work on it all. Hopefully that will change I have two of my sons that are going into diesel gas and electrical engineering fields. There is definitely good money to be had as long as the hands are willing to do the work. Love the videos keep them coming
Thanks for commenting and sharing your experiences on gas and diesel engine repairs in your area Jason.
What’s your opinion on supercharging a gas engine
Hi Tom. I try not to comment on things that I don't really know about and I am certainly no engine mechanic. :-) Thanks for watching and commenting though. It's much appreciated!
I would think boosting any gas engine not already manufactured that way will severely impact long term reliability, including Transmissions. Superchargers are for race applications only.
I suspect that Tom was actually talking about the Banks Power system that can be added to Class A gassers to make the engine more efficient and powerful. I have heard a lot of good things about that kind of add-on but I try not to comment much on things I'm not really familiar with. But here is the link for that kind of engine tune - official.bankspower.com/magazine/v-10-powerpack/ Thanks for watching and commenting Jimmy!
@@RVInspectionAndCareThat system looks great. Its basicly better air flow in/exhaust out and a proper tune. That does wonders for a stock gasoline engine. Proper air & fuel ratio will make it run cooler as well.
Great channel, i subbed yesterday.
Yes, I have heard a lot of positive results from RVers using the Banks Power system. And thanks for subbing the channel Jimmy. It's much appreciated!
Gas is way more expensive at least in Canada. Question wouldn't everybody agree that the diesel is basically the highest standard of motorhome and what the wealthiest people usually go for and therefore they tend to be built to a higher standard and quality? Anyways that's what I did I bought a used diesel up here in Canada 2000. At a tiny fraction of the regular cost and now I own my own home debt free. The last thing I would say is that it seems like there's a model of gas-powered things being built to break which is probably less true than diesel. The 24 foot trailer I just had was about the flimsiest thing I ever saw. All of the drawers appeared to be stapled in place it's crazy. Last year I was camped next to somebody who had a class c gas powered motor home. Perhaps older maybe 90s. The guy fired up this dubious engine from a 70 metres away, and he nearly fumigated me and my girlfriend inside my trailer. It was so obnoxious. Anyways when the guy left, he was barely in the city 10 km down the road and he broke down and had to be towed. Those are my thoughts on the gas RVs.
I have heard that too James. Apparently the difference in cost between gas and diesel varies quite a bit depending on where in the world you live. Here in the US, diesel is usually more expensive than gas.
@@RVInspectionAndCarethat being said I still think your price of gas and diesel are cheaper than Canada
I could not imagine the cost to drive a gas rv. You would be stopping every day to fill up.
Actually total fuel costs are pretty similar between gas and diesel rigs. While diesel engines get better fuel mileage, gas costs less than diesel. So it's kind of a wash on that score. And while you may have to fill up slightly more often with a gasser, it's not a glaring difference. Sorry, but I've got to call it as I see it.
What type of RV do you currently own?
I have a diesel pusher Barry. But I looked at a lot of gassers before I made my decision. They both have features that appeal to different buyers. And both will get you out there enjoying RV travel.
We are looking to full time and I have decided to go diesel. Now the dilemma is new or used. I like what you said about knowing the history if you buy new and if you keep the RV for ten years then depreciation really isn't a factor. What to do???
LOL. Welcome to the world of full-time RVing Barry. There are so many options to choose from and none of them are necessarily wrong. And there is nothing about RVing that fits everyone out there. But some choices will fit your style of RV travel and camping best. I recommend to keep learning as much as you can about the pros and cons of each RV option that presents itself and see which one lines up with your needs more closely. The more advance knowledge you have, the better decisions you will make.
A 6.7 Cummins is a work horse ...but the bad boy 8.9 is a terror!!
He’s forgetting to tell you another thing?...gassers have generators that r air cooled.....imagine on a hot day......also most gassers r Ford....r u Ford ready???
The army has been running air cooled generators up to around 10KW for many years, so I’m not sure what the point is. Yep, the only new gas chassis currently available is Ford. Would be nice to see some competition for them.
These generators r not army made
Diesels have water cooled....much more reliable!!!
All gasoline powered RVs are not Fords. Nearly all of the gasoline engine brands can be found in RVs. Winnebago made a lot of them with GM engines. I have a 34' Coachmen Class A gasser built on the F53 Chassis. It has the Ford 460 engine. Mine has an air cooled Onan 7 KW generator. We mainly travel in the southeast in the summer. The generator has never been a problem, even in the hot humid Florida summer. We run the generator the entire time we are driving to power the rooftop A/C. The dash air can't keep up in the heat of the summer. I try to never max out the capacity to avoid overheating. I only turn on one A/C even though it will power both. I prefer air cooled generators because there is less maintenance. I don't have to worry about hoses, water pumps, radiators, etc.
@@daviddensmore2606 The army also has unlimited funds.
Not really a "diesel vs. gas" comparison, it seems more like a "expensive, top-of-the-line" pusher vs. mid-priced front-engine RVs. Most of the stated diesel advantages in this video are due to being in a high-end coach, not because it has a diesel engine. A better comparison would be the same coach with gas vs. diesel engines. As for why semis use diesels, it's not unusual for a semi tractor to run up a million miles or more. Over a million miles, the better fuel economy and less engine rebuilds make the diesel a better investment. For an RV with maybe 100,000 miles, gas is the better value. The biggest advantage diesel has for an RV is the towing capacity, so if you really need to haul an extra 10,000 lbs, diesel is the way to go.
Actually Michael, it’s difficult to compare the same coach using either a gas or Diesel engine because if the more expensive Diesel engine is used, the manufacturer will usually make good use of its capability by adding plenty of luxuries that weigh more than the gasser is capable of moving around easily. So comparisons of gassers to diesel pushers is not often possible in the same price range. As far as the reason for commercial trucks using diesels, it is mainly because of their ability to move heavy weight fairly easily due to the lower torque the engine produces. And if an RVer tends to travel a lot, a Diesel engine may be more cost effective than a gasser since many gassers have to be rebuilt around the 100,000 mile mark whereas diesel pushers are just getting warmed up at that mileage.
I AM A DIESEL MECHANIC AND I DON'T RECOMMEND TO BUY A DIESEL.......
Well, that's an interesting statement Jose. Can you give us a few reasons for your low opinion of diesel engines?
What do you have? Diesel or Gas?
Hi Larry. I have a diesel pusher. But I seriously considered some gassers before I made my purchase. There are lots of great gassers out there. Each person has to determine what is going to be the best RV for their particular situation and needs. So what I chose is not the kind of choice that everyone should make. Thanks for asking the question.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I currently have a gasser with a V10. A 30.1 Thor ACE. I pull a small 2015 Ford Transit Connect van. But the engine noise in front and the heat is a deal breaker. Thus is why I'm looking at a diesel pusher.
I completely understand Larry. Those are two of the biggest reasons why some RVers decide that a diesel pusher is a better way to go for them. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
A Chevy 454 maintained well with Mobil 1 full synthetic oil, Wix filters, clean antifreeze and driven responsibly will ABSOLUTELY last at least 200k miles.Same with a Ford 460.
Haha I like telling the "diesel snobs" about my $35.00 oil changes.😂🤡😂🤡😎
Those are good points about gas engine longevity if it's well cared for. And thanks for sharing your engine maintenance ideas too!
Gas RV’s have no pro’s other than its cheaper to buy. The gas RV’s can’t get out of their own way never mind climbing anything resembling a hill.... definitely can’t tow anything. Diesel engines are also more efficient so even if diesel fuel is the same or more, diesels will go more mpg. You also have Jake brakes on a Diesel pusher which is a must have on steep grades.
David, I disagree with you saying that price is the only "Pro" that a gasser has. How about Access to more campgrounds due to length restrictions, lower maintenance cost, Less complex engine (especially with new Diesel requiring DEF), you can do most of your own service. The new DEF requirements are killing the diesel motors. Our 38' Class a gas climbs hills fine, its no race car, but who cares about speed. I average between 6-8mpg, and able to tow 5,000 lbs, which is more than most toads weigh. So most of your statement is bias to what you most likely own, No real facts. Also would like to add that I would love to have a Diesel pusher if money was no issue. But reality is reality. There is no way i would ever spend 2-400K on any RV. But that is just my opinion. We should be more focused on why we are out on the road in the first place, and what we drive to get there is irrelevant.
@@kevinwilliamson7294 Very well stated! I tried to school him on the other video before this one. Actually I don't think he owns either.
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@@kevinwilliamson7294 Very well stated! I tried to school him on the other video before this one. Actually I don't think he owns either.
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Short story:
If you're going to park and live in it, buy a gasser.
If you're going to DRIVE it, buy a diesel pusher.
Why?
You must NOT park a diesel pusher. EVER.
If you HAVE to do it then learn the expert tips: Start it every *few days (NOT WEEKS) and keep the idle RPMs at 1,000 MINIMUM for a significant time.
At least 45 minutes + every time. Absolutely.
DO NOT neglect this. Engineering facts concerning contaminents and lubrication, harmonics etc etc
The gas rig can ALWAYS sit INDEFINITELY with occasional starts and idle times to keep things in sync.
Also: The diesel rig **MUST BE DRIVEN at OPERATING TEMP and--> LOAD
Thanks for watching the video and sharing your thoughts and experience with us.
Diesel pushers are for the rich. Go ahead and get your 45 foot Diesel and your full size truck dingy and try to get into the national parks or any other campground that rests around a beautiful lake or river. I can't tell you how many times I've seen these Diesel pushers get turned around when trying to get check in at a campground because they are to big. Yea go ahead and purchase your 500K diesel Pusher and you can stay in a city owned RV park with full hook ups in the open air with no tree's and hearing traffic all night. I'm going to be camped on the lake going for a hike and drinking my coffee to some beautiful sunrises. Go with an RV under 30 feet. If you want a run about vehicle go with a travel trailer no bigger than 25 feet.
HaHaHa! Well, clearly you have strong feelings about what kind of RV fits you best. I'm glad that you have found the kind of rig that allows you to boondock and camp in smaller sites. It sounds like you are happy with your choice.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct. I don't think diesel snobs like camping much.
22 foot Class A owner here that laughs at the pull thru only crowd in their 65 foot rigs.😂😂🤡🎓😎
You can always put a motorcycle carrier on a short Class A B or C to have a running around vehicle too.
Haha ...shorter is better.😂🐧
Gassers have poor gas mileage thus the more expensive fuel is moot.
Not necessarily, Our 38ft with the 8.1 GM V-8 gets around 8 mpg, which is very comparable if not better than a diesel rig.
You can comfort yourself thinking of getting better fuel mileage, but fuel cost per mile paints a different picture. Diesel fuel generally runs 20-30% higher than gas. This a diesel has to get OVER 20-30% better fuel mileage than an equivalent gasser for the fuel cost per mile go be better than gas. @8mpg and 20% it needs to do better than 9.6, at 30% it needs to get 10.4mpg. Start adding in the cost of regular maintenance for a diesel vs gas, the cost per mile running a diesel gets even worse. If you want to say you can carry more weight, tow more, and pull a hill better, it’s true. If you’re going to run your diesel coach for more than 200K miles, I understand. Most folks don’t even get 5K a year on their MotorHome though, so that’s irrelevant also. There’s a reason and need for both.
I’ve wondered why Ford hasn’t put the excellent 6.7L in their class A chassis fo a $6K premium. It would be a good intermediate priced option a blend of both. Actually, I was sorry to see Workhorse go, not a DP with airbags, but it was a better riding chassis than the Ford. That chassis with the Duramax and Allison would be nice.
@@daviddensmore2606 We have a 2004 Newmar Mountainaire with the 8.1 Workhorse. I have also wondered why they never put in the 6.7 from Ford or the 6.6 Duramax in Class A. I did put air bags on this past fall on all 4 corners. Here is a video I did of the passenger front air bag underway. czcams.com/video/ZK_0dJ1cXL0/video.html
You left a lot out on both Videos