Update: Bit of disappointing news, but I got copyright flagged during the No Mans Land scene of the movie and had to remove it after the fact. Such a shame too since it was the emotional high of the movie imo. Thanks for watching everyone! I hope you enjoy this weeks video. Make sure to check out Matt's 30 day workout plan if you're looking to start getting into shape: mattlanefitness.trainerize.com/
You should make a new series called "A bunch of dudes watching _______". You should watch typical non - dude movies. It would be pretty funny to see your unfiltered rections the them. Peace out ✌
The point of Charlie's character wasn't to set him up as a Chekov's gun. The point was to show the impact war had on people and also Diana's compassion. She doesn't convince him to keep going after the village because she wants him to shoot people. She convinces him because she says "who will sing for us?" And she means it. It's not just her being nice.
I'm impressed with Matt's rating with the Wonder Woman movie. And even more impressed with Prime's pooch. So freaking adorable (the pooch; not the Matt).
@@joesmith3098 Yeah...because I thought he'd have a more negative opinion of the movie. The rating he has for this movie surprised man's I'm impressed that he is enjoying these types of movies.
Matt should watch Daredevil! Its one of the best Marvel TV shows , realistic, gritty, darker, and more down to earth. Also has a great ending and finished (somewhat) like a real ending he would really like !
Holden, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I love how you have been changing the theme of your opening according to the movie you'll be watching. You might think none would pay attention to it, but I noticed and liked it.
@@DMFX1 Oh, I thought Holden was the one who edits the video, that was a mistake in my part. But that doesn't change the fact that it's pretty cool, great job.
I really think a lot of praise should be given to Allan Heinberg who was one of the writers and brought a lot of good ideas to the table. Sadly he wasn't a part of WW84 so...yeah.
For sure Heinberg doesn’t get the credit he deserves for this film. Neither does Snyder, considering it was his story, his cast and his pre established mythology in the DCEU. In retrospect I think people realize it now considering the Jenkins/Geoff Johns trainwreck that was WW84.
@@aaronbaca765 I do think that Patty Jenkins is one of the key elements in the WW movies, I just think she needs the people from the first movie for the third, then we got gold. I think Patty Jenkins is a great director, but someone should have told her and Johns "No" for WW84. Also I don't want Johns to writ DC movies IMO, he's better with comics.
*Video Spoiler* *Matt's DCEU Ratings:* - *Man of Steel* = Pretty good. Don't love, don't hate. Hans Zimmer incredible. Appreciate different narratives between fathers. Visually good. Wouldn't watch again. *6.5/10* - *Batman Vs Superman* = Shot beautifully, opening scene great. So many people with little backstory. Why is this the second movie? Beginning great, middle horrible, end is ok. *5.5/10* - *Justice League (The Snyder Cut)* = Characters looked fantastic. Don't like superman coming back. Iffy on time travel in movies. Most beautiful movie cinematically. Many Bi-Gon Jim moments. *8.5/10* - *Suicide Squad* = Wish they did more with Harley. Feel bad for actors. Not a well gelled team. Fun and different. Probably won't watch again. Hate Joker. *6.5/10* - *Wonder Woman* = Fantastic. Made you care about villain. Love the concepts. Great messages. A few moments a little off. Best DCEU movie so far for sure. *9/10* *Order:* Wonder Woman, Snyder Cut, Man Of Steel, Suicide Squad, Batman Vs Superman *My Opinion:* Still haven't seen it yet tbh...
@@paulgibbons1366 ^this. Mostly, I think it was just the fight against Ares, which is why there are so many close-ups and not as much actual fight choreography.
"You're awfully close" *The dog awfully close to Matt* I personally understand the line: "A baby!" because I don't think she has actually seen one before. The Amazons are immortal so everyone was an adult as she was born/created, so she was the only child in the island.
For those curious, a lot of medieval buildings were made of wood. Brick is mostly used now because of all the rain. It rots wood quickly, but it makes producing bricks easier and cheaper. The US has a wide variety of climates where wood structures aren't a problem. Just like people joke on areas of the US for shutting down with the slightest snow because there's no infrastructure to deal with something that happens once every few years. But the opposite has happened. Parts of Europe shut down because of a heat wave some years back. Their AC units aren't designed to operate at temperatures the lower states get regularly since they rarely get above a warm day.
Just wanted to throw this out there: Gal Gadot did most of the film (including stunts) while pregnant. And when they couldn't use her for the stunts, they used a stunt double, so her dedication to the film and the seamless use of a stunt double adds to the awesomeness for me
She was only pregnant during the additional photography for the movie. She shot WW's principle photography first then went on to film ZSJL during which time she found out she was pregnant then went back to shoot the additional scenes.
Patty had to FIGHT for the No Man's Land scene...the studio didn't want it because they thought it wouldn't make sense. This entire movie would be different if that scene wasn't in there.
@@PopCultureNihilist Thank you. I came up with it while going through therapy methods for traumatized kids. Just giving them love doesn't solve everything, but it's the base of all the therapies you follow.
Watching this film in the theater was so special and the No Man’s Land scene truly makes me emotional. I think that’s a collective opinion across the board from most women I’ve spoken to; that scene nearly made me cry seeing it for the first time and I wasn’t even able to articulate why.
I enjoyed how everyone kept telling her that the World of Men doesn't deserve Diana. When Diana is with Steve she learns men aren't cruel heartless creatures. From Chief she learns Men can forgive each other for the most horrible things. Watching Charlie have a nightmare about losing his friends showed her they experience Fear and Guilt of Loss, through Sameer she learned Men love and appreciate the Arts even if culture at the time wont accept him. And when the final battle was looking bad for the good guys, she looked over and saw them holding each other in what could be their last moments, They all taught her about Love and all its different levels that bind us together.
15:00 technically this is still snyder. Patty jenkins sure is the lead director of this film but zack snydef still had involvement with the story script and certain scenes. Watch the film enough you could tell which parts was patty directing and which was zacks.
I loved this movie until the ending. When he says "I wish I could tell you that one person is causing all of this," I think that gives an important lesson about how war is complex and many people make choices that lead to it. Then it's immediately undercut because it turns out Ares IS real and when she kills him the war ends. I hated that. The movie is like a 10/10 gymnastics routine where the gymnast faceplants on the landing.
I love how Patty Jenkins had to basically craft a near perfect movie to get critics of DC movies to reluctantly admit “yeah... I guess it was kind of good” 😂
what I like about this movie is how different it is from Man of Steel in terms of showing how powerful the protagonist is, In Man of Steel it is clear from the beginning that Kal is not human, because even as a teenager he did things that a grown man would never have the strength to do With Diana on the other hand, even though it's clear that she's stronger than a human being, the movie makes us think it's because she's an Amazon, but when Ares says she's half goddess, it all makes sense, She was clearly surprised at her own strength after training with Antiope, even before the awakening in Steve's death she was alredy more than a regular Amazon, She was so fast that she followed the trajectory of a bullet in the beach battle, Her healing factor was so fast that she healed from a bullet wound in a few hours, impressing even an Amazon healer, her fingers bent steel and penetrated solid rock, one hit of her arm dented the door of an armored tank, she was always so strong and we didn't realize that until after Ares' revelation, even she looked surprised, it all made sense to her after that, and when she embraced this truth her power became so insane that not even the God of War could defeat her
I generally hate the dress-up montages, but this one fits. Diana isn't a character who's changing up her look. This is a warrior who *needs* to be clothed to blend in but finds nearly every stitch of clothing is geared towards fashion rather than function. This is one of the few examples of a montage that is necessary and appropriate.
You guys should watch the animated DC movie universe which starts with Justice League: the Flashpoint Paradox. The characters are written phenomenally, the stories are amazing, and they are not afraid to go completely dark. The last film (Justice League Dark: Apokolips War) was actually rated R. These 16 films, in my opinion, are the best build up of the DC universe with characters, villains, you name it.
Jenkins did not want the big final fight at all, so when WB forced it, they had to rush to get it done. Also, Amazon Prime joke here. Oh and I really appreciate Matt's thoughts!
Did any one notice that Robin Wright,who's in The Princess Bride, played the part of Antiope the sister of Hippolyta, general of the Amazonian army.I loved all the comments given after the film,well done all of you and looking forward to the next one.
Still even now for me the best DCEU film. Just a real shame they didn't stick the landing. If Diana was left with the idea that there was no wizard behind the curtain and that some people can just be evil, it adds more. Also adds more weight to Steve's death as she was so single minded in her pursuit. Unfortunately we had to get the big CGI fight and her power up that never appears again...
Matt: the first person on the internet to appreciate the final fight scene with Ares. The great thing about this movie is it presents multiple answers to the problem of evil, and support for both answers. Is it black & white, or is there a gray area? Yes.
I like to think of these 5 films my own personal DCEU series, in this order WonderWomen Man of steel Batmsn vs. Superman ZS justice league Aquaman. And it feels like a 5 film arc.
I didn’t mind 1984 🤷♂️ I thought some scenes were beautiful! And I really enjoyed Diana a lot more. I get some of the villain stuff was a bit silly but sometimes I enjoy some campiness in my movies.
Pedro Pascal and Kristen Wiig performance were great as Maxwell Lord and Cheetah and the concept of the movie was cool but it felt so different due to change in tone and felt like it was trying to be more comedic rather than serious
@@MsMSB2012 so? Still different. Steve and Tony is friend, Ka el and Bruce no shit about each other. And they didnt just say " Martha" then be best friend
I think you misunderstood what she was saying about love. By the end she understands that killing Aris does NOT take the bad out of people's hearts. She knows that it's a personal choice everyone makes, and that protecting people (witch dose sometimes requires fighting or killing), and Love is the best way to encourage people to chose good. It shows her accepting Steve's view on people, not giving a different one. Before, she "loved" people because of an imaginary goodness she thought they had. When she finally understood how flawed they were, she stopped "loving" them. Watching her friends, out of bullets, holding each other waiting to die, and especially Steve giving his life to save countless others, she was now able to "Love" humanity for who they really are. She always wanted to help Humanity be the best version of itself but now she's changing her tactics. She doesn't want to help Batman take out big bads, because she no longer believes that is the answer.
Wonder Woman evolved drastically from this movie to ZSJL. She became more self aware of the world, more brave and more of a badass in ZSJL, while I still do love her in this movie. Her action scenes give me goosebumps everytime in both movies.
I prefer the way they do action with wonder woman in the one scene where she mows down all the soldiers in the end and in the Snyder cut, because it actually shows off how fast she is.
Mark 3:18. Actually, live-action wise, actress Cathy Lee Crosby, played the role first, in the first made-for-television movie that served as the first pilot for the series, but it failed, but not so much that they refused to do a second pilot movie with, Lynda Carter. 👍
It is interesting that in history ww1 ended with a armistice who's terms were so onerous on Germany that the world was doomed to fight another world war 20 years later. So maybe Aries succeeded after all.
I love this movie and the message. Cuz its so true. Ares isn’t what makes people evil. Those people do evil things because they are evil. And killing him didn’t make humanity pure. Humanity can be disgusting and evil and it can be amazing, beautiful, and good. No one will ever defeat evil. Everyone has to chose for themselves what type of person they want to be. Love and compassion is what changes the world for the better.
In the comics, the Amazonians don't sculpt their children from clay. That was only Diana. She's a special case. In the comic canon, the Amazonians will go out into the ocean outside of their safety bubble. They lure in sailors, sleep with them, then kill them and sink their ships. After birth if the child is a girl, great. If the child is a boy, they kill it and start the process all over again. Pretty dark if you ask me.
Hey Holden, do u think u could get matt to react to all the original karate kid movies 1-3, and then the cobra Kai series? I really think he’ll like myagi’s inspiration quotes in the movies and how Daniel will try to take the role in cobra Kai.
at the time it was my third favorite dc film. suicide squad, bvs and then wonder woman. she is my favorite hero (tied with jean grey). she is totes relateable and so great to see someone of the same faith out there being AWESOME
I wonder if Holden is aware of the symbology of the men boosting wonderwoman on top the top of the church (patriarchal symbol) which destroys the cupola and places the woman (divine feminine/woman God) on top to be idolized by the town as a savior. I really liked how this movie went subtle with its symbolism rather than in your face and how most didn't notice, but it IS there.
Patty Jenkins originally didn't want parts of that last main battle scene with Wonder woman and Aries but Hollywood insisted that she put it in. Btw I've always and only been here for Matt's opinions.
I understand that people want a female lead superhero movie. I get that the cultural significance of this movie is huge. However.. This doesn't really do Wonder Woman, or Women in general justice. Steve Trevor is the one who pushes the plot forward in every situation. If Steve never survived in the island and told Diana about the war they never would have left. If Steve didn't have the rank he did, Diana would have never talked to the Generals. Steve is the one that took Diana to the front. Steven is the one that blows up the plane. It's even Steve's death that pushes her over the edge. The entire time Diana is constantly asking "Steve, I need to do something. Can you help me?" And Steve's like "Yeah baby, don't worry about it. I'll take care of you. I'll handle it." He has an answer for everything that Diana needs help with. Steve is the driving force behind the movie. Which sucks because it should have been Diana. 1984 was a better movie in terms of this, but even then, that movie was pretty gross at certain times. (It wasn't a good movie, but at least Diana actually solved problems on her own without needing her man to hold her hand.) I just think this movie was pretty bad.
Awe keep your head up! Love your talent with the piano! watched and gave a few likes. Honestly for me, it's a mix of hard work, luck, and a decade of good financial choices.
Comment number 29 of me trying to get you to watch Agents of SHIELD. It gets really good after season one, just make it past season 1 and you’ll love it.
I think this film would have been so much better if it had ended around the point of Steve Trevor explaining to Diana that outside the world of Themyscira "it isn't just one bad guy" without the Ares reveal. The angle of Ares being the "God of Truth" rather than War, could have been good for a sequel, but here it feels like they subverted a good introspective ending for something more formulaic.
Patty Jenkins is directing Rogue Squadron, and I have faith that she will do a good job. I loved this movie, and I hope she does a good job with Star Wars. That seems like a passion project for her.
When Ares shouts "No!" it is not one dimensional like he doesn't believe in love.. Ares reaction is more of anger of kinda failing to.convince Diana, and the "no!" is more of a frustration that Diana is not buying whatever speech he is selling.
24:53 The thing is Diana is closely related to love(not love like a couple but a deep maternal love) on the emotional light spectrum(the thing that Lanterns draw their power from), so being a fan of Wonder Woman I was glad they kept true to her being tied to love because that makes at least one hero the DCEU got right in a movie.(Not counting the Nolan trilogy because they ain't part of the DCEU and not really counting Shazam because that has virtually nothing to do with the DCEU)
I am really happy that Matt rated this as high as he did, I love this movie, but I hope you guys watch Shazam after Josstice League. Shazam is by far my favorite DCEU movie.
Update:
Bit of disappointing news, but I got copyright flagged during the No Mans Land scene of the movie and had to remove it after the fact. Such a shame too since it was the emotional high of the movie imo.
Thanks for watching everyone! I hope you enjoy this weeks video.
Make sure to check out Matt's 30 day workout plan if you're looking to start getting into shape:
mattlanefitness.trainerize.com/
really can't wait for shazam reaction
When is he going to react the falcon and the winter soldier
A full grown human could stroll in through Prime's doggy door.
You should make a new series called "A bunch of dudes watching _______". You should watch typical non - dude movies. It would be pretty funny to see your unfiltered rections the them.
Peace out ✌
Ohh....that t shirt......I am BATMAN.......fuckin love it!@ Spidey with the Bat's cowl and cape!!
Matt: Oh so is she the god killer?
Holden: No, the sword is
Holden: *winks into the camera Agatha Harknes style*
Yup! And then the guys do the same to each other in turn... pure GOLD!
It's been Holden all along!
@@carlmclemore6104Shit, you beat me by 36 mins dude, I was about to comment the same 😂😂
It was holden all along
That’s the one you get when it says for tobacco use only
"You're a little close" as the dog is in Matt's face was great timing
16:29
*You’re
@@LtGhost-tb3kq *ur
@@dumevision4573 “Ur” isn’t in the dictionary, so that isn’t a correction, nice try.
The point of Charlie's character wasn't to set him up as a Chekov's gun. The point was to show the impact war had on people and also Diana's compassion. She doesn't convince him to keep going after the village because she wants him to shoot people. She convinces him because she says "who will sing for us?" And she means it. It's not just her being nice.
I'm impressed with Matt's rating with the Wonder Woman movie.
And even more impressed with Prime's pooch. So freaking adorable (the pooch; not the Matt).
Why is Holden's face staring into my soul
Impressed w a rating? Really lol
@@joesmith3098 Yeah...because I thought he'd have a more negative opinion of the movie. The rating he has for this movie surprised man's I'm impressed that he is enjoying these types of movies.
@@markmckeever3237 Nah he always likes "empowerment" movies. I knew hew woudl like it.
Matt should watch Daredevil! Its one of the best Marvel TV shows , realistic, gritty, darker, and more down to earth. Also has a great ending and finished (somewhat) like a real ending he would really like !
Ya he’d probably love it! Lots of great themes in there
@@googleislame yeah true but overall as all 3 seasons as a whole its pretty solid just elektra and some very small things but thats nitpicking tbh
googleislame spoilers
Edit: thanks if you deleted it, Google
I would be totally fine if they reacted to Dsrefevil and none of the other Netflix marvel shows.
@@gleekthemonkey4570 they may have to watch defenders since it effects Season 3
7:07 Matt makes a Star Wars reference
*Visible Happiness*
Marvel is better than dc and hack Snyder’s daughter is dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪
@@Neyodip weird and cringe
@@Neyodip Jesus Christ someone diddled you as a child?
@@Neyodip that’s just not kind
@@Neyodip damn bro you got the whole squad laughing 😐
I love Matt geeking over a superhero move " She's pulling a spiderman!!"
And Captain America civil war pulled a BVS...
@@dignerds Civil War wasn't boring?
@Rheya Ruiz would rather have it be overrated than it just be flat out boring and bad
Holden, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I love how you have been changing the theme of your opening according to the movie you'll be watching. You might think none would pay attention to it, but I noticed and liked it.
Thank you! (I'm the editor) I have a background in music so I like changing it up when I have the time :)
@@DMFX1 Oh, I thought Holden was the one who edits the video, that was a mistake in my part.
But that doesn't change the fact that it's pretty cool, great job.
@@eugenio027 I used to just do CGI stuff for him (like the intro) but I started editing his big videos since The Last Jedi with Jen
@DMFX thank you for your service man. You've definitely elevated the channel with your cg and editing skills
I really think a lot of praise should be given to Allan Heinberg who was one of the writers and brought a lot of good ideas to the table. Sadly he wasn't a part of WW84 so...yeah.
Zach Snyder and his stunt coordinator also weren’t involved in WW84, you definitely notice it.
For sure Heinberg doesn’t get the credit he deserves for this film. Neither does Snyder, considering it was his story, his cast and his pre established mythology in the DCEU. In retrospect I think people realize it now considering the Jenkins/Geoff Johns trainwreck that was WW84.
@@aaronbaca765 I do think that Patty Jenkins is one of the key elements in the WW movies, I just think she needs the people from the first movie for the third, then we got gold. I think Patty Jenkins is a great director, but someone should have told her and Johns "No" for WW84. Also I don't want Johns to writ DC movies IMO, he's better with comics.
@@lexofpower2822 I get the impression that Johns only tried doctoring what was alreadya fundamentally broken script, but I could be wrong.
@@Hoganply Maybe. IDK who's at fault for WW84!
"you're awfully close"
Meanwhile doggo: let me lick his face to get his attention
16:29
I had to go back and rewatch it multiple times while laughing...
*You’re
*Video Spoiler*
*Matt's DCEU Ratings:*
- *Man of Steel* = Pretty good. Don't love, don't hate. Hans Zimmer incredible. Appreciate different narratives between fathers. Visually good. Wouldn't watch again. *6.5/10*
- *Batman Vs Superman* = Shot beautifully, opening scene great. So many people with little backstory. Why is this the second movie? Beginning great, middle horrible, end is ok. *5.5/10*
- *Justice League (The Snyder Cut)* = Characters looked fantastic. Don't like superman coming back. Iffy on time travel in movies. Most beautiful movie cinematically. Many Bi-Gon Jim moments. *8.5/10*
- *Suicide Squad* = Wish they did more with Harley. Feel bad for actors. Not a well gelled team. Fun and different. Probably won't watch again. Hate Joker. *6.5/10*
- *Wonder Woman* = Fantastic. Made you care about villain. Love the concepts. Great messages. A few moments a little off. Best DCEU movie so far for sure. *9/10*
*Order:*
Wonder Woman, Snyder Cut, Man Of Steel, Suicide Squad, Batman Vs Superman
*My Opinion:*
Still haven't seen it yet tbh...
“What the heck is Josstice league?” is the appropriate reaction
I blame WB for the Theatrical cut of JL. Joss Whedon was a fall guy or a patsy for a bad movie WB knew they were making.
Fun Fact: Gal Gadot was pregnant during filming of this movie, which makes her performance even more impressive.
Wow, I had no idea.
That explains the "ooh, baby" reaction from her that drove Matt crazy. lol
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Sort of, she was pregnant for whatever was shot in the reshoots but not for primary filming.
@@paulgibbons1366 ^this. Mostly, I think it was just the fight against Ares, which is why there are so many close-ups and not as much actual fight choreography.
They adjusted and cut out some of the costume & put a material over it, effectively giving her a green screen stomach.
Hi my name is Holden AWOOOOO
How you comment 12 hours ago
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"You're awfully close"
*The dog awfully close to Matt*
I personally understand the line: "A baby!" because I don't think she has actually seen one before. The Amazons are immortal so everyone was an adult as she was born/created, so she was the only child in the island.
exactly
Matt's going to wish he could take back two hours of his life after seeing Josstice League.
And after watching WW84
Why would they even bother?
Yeah, especially since he's already seen the better version
@@Ledhead-dw8sd I'm actually curious to see what he thinks of it.
Don't understand why they are watching it to be honest
Why does everyone’s house look the same? Looks like a stage and you guys just changed the furniture lol
I thought the same
Because they all live in those typical American houses made of wood?
That‘s one of the reasons I‘m glad not to live in the US.
@@Planet__3 where are you?
For those curious, a lot of medieval buildings were made of wood. Brick is mostly used now because of all the rain. It rots wood quickly, but it makes producing bricks easier and cheaper. The US has a wide variety of climates where wood structures aren't a problem. Just like people joke on areas of the US for shutting down with the slightest snow because there's no infrastructure to deal with something that happens once every few years. But the opposite has happened. Parts of Europe shut down because of a heat wave some years back. Their AC units aren't designed to operate at temperatures the lower states get regularly since they rarely get above a warm day.
Honestly, that's just how Florida houses often are
Based on 84, Zach had way more input on this movie than we realized
Zack did all the fight scenes in this movie as Executive producer. 84 sucked because he wasn't there.
I am stunned that MATT gave this the highest score! I agree with him 100%, which I never EVER thought I would say! Wow. Just...wow.
Just wanted to throw this out there: Gal Gadot did most of the film (including stunts) while pregnant. And when they couldn't use her for the stunts, they used a stunt double, so her dedication to the film and the seamless use of a stunt double adds to the awesomeness for me
She was only pregnant during the additional photography for the movie. She shot WW's principle photography first then went on to film ZSJL during which time she found out she was pregnant then went back to shoot the additional scenes.
Patty had to FIGHT for the No Man's Land scene...the studio didn't want it because they thought it wouldn't make sense.
This entire movie would be different if that scene wasn't in there.
WB is fucking hopeless.
0:29 I thought he was gonna appear with a Wonder Woman outfit! 😂
nah instead he showed off his big muscles
Love doesn't solve everything, but you can't solve anything without it.
I like that.
@@PopCultureNihilist Thank you. I came up with it while going through therapy methods for traumatized kids. Just giving them love doesn't solve everything, but it's the base of all the therapies you follow.
@@danjtrudeau good point. Not gonna cure cancer either, but certainly could help with medication prices.
@@PopCultureNihilist And to keep priorities straight while developing the treatment.
It's apparent that Holden's been working out, looking radiant. What a beautiful man
I’ve found Holden’s burner account haha
And people used to say he wasn't good enough for Jen...
@@sixpackpatty lmao, right?
@@brucesimmons5517 They're jealous
Watching this film in the theater was so special and the No Man’s Land scene truly makes me emotional. I think that’s a collective opinion across the board from most women I’ve spoken to; that scene nearly made me cry seeing it for the first time and I wasn’t even able to articulate why.
I enjoyed how everyone kept telling her that the World of Men doesn't deserve Diana. When Diana is with Steve she learns men aren't cruel heartless creatures. From Chief she learns Men can forgive each other for the most horrible things. Watching Charlie have a nightmare about losing his friends showed her they experience Fear and Guilt of Loss, through Sameer she learned Men love and appreciate the Arts even if culture at the time wont accept him. And when the final battle was looking bad for the good guys, she looked over and saw them holding each other in what could be their last moments, They all taught her about Love and all its different levels that bind us together.
That’s a great point. Solid comment.
Why do I enjoy these so much? And when can we get Matt to have Holden watch movies he enjoys and Holden hasn’t seen??
Actually there they have made such a video on Matt’s channel
@@petrasplays17 Which video?
@@eugenio027 Goon a sports movie that Matt loves. Check Matts channel. Also Pastor has movies that he loves that Holden has not seen in his channel.
@@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418 I miss Pastor.
@@carlmclemore6104 might be busy. But Holden guest on his channels my friend watches. You'll be shock how many franchise Holden has not seen.
My guy you have landed on the best beach possible 😂😂😂😂
I hope you all do Shazam! I feel like Matt might actually like that one.
Are we just going to look over the fact that Matt acknowledged Primes BACK TO THE FUTURE allusion...... Matt has come so far
omg the opening skit, literally LMAO out loud.
15:00 technically this is still snyder. Patty jenkins sure is the lead director of this film but zack snydef still had involvement with the story script and certain scenes. Watch the film enough you could tell which parts was patty directing and which was zacks.
I loved this movie until the ending. When he says "I wish I could tell you that one person is causing all of this," I think that gives an important lesson about how war is complex and many people make choices that lead to it. Then it's immediately undercut because it turns out Ares IS real and when she kills him the war ends. I hated that. The movie is like a 10/10 gymnastics routine where the gymnast faceplants on the landing.
"The God killer"
"The weapon that is strong enough to kill a God".
"Ah... Yeah... That's literally the name of the weapon Diana..."
Haven’t watched yet but damnit I was really looking forward to hearing what Jenna-Prime (Matt Jenna) thought of this movie!!
I feel like, no matter how true and important the message is, a speech about love will never be taken seriously.
I love how Patty Jenkins had to basically craft a near perfect movie to get critics of DC movies to reluctantly admit “yeah... I guess it was kind of good” 😂
then she made 1984
I still feel they should have casted Lucy Lawless as Queen Hippolyta. Xena herself as the Queen of the Amazonians? hells yes.
No.
why?
Awww that'd too bad, we wanted to see the girls' reaction to this. I hope you have them on the next DCEU content.
Thank you Holden Hardman, you and the crew make youtube so great.
what I like about this movie is how different it is from Man of Steel in terms of showing how powerful the protagonist is, In Man of Steel it is clear from the beginning that Kal is not human, because even as a teenager he did things that a grown man would never have the strength to do
With Diana on the other hand, even though it's clear that she's stronger than a human being, the movie makes us think it's because she's an Amazon, but when Ares says she's half goddess, it all makes sense, She was clearly surprised at her own strength after training with Antiope, even before the awakening in Steve's death she was alredy more than a regular Amazon, She was so fast that she followed the trajectory of a bullet in the beach battle, Her healing factor was so fast that she healed from a bullet wound in a few hours, impressing even an Amazon healer, her fingers bent steel and penetrated solid rock, one hit of her arm dented the door of an armored tank, she was always so strong and we didn't realize that until after Ares' revelation, even she looked surprised, it all made sense to her after that, and when she embraced this truth her power became so insane that not even the God of War could defeat her
I generally hate the dress-up montages, but this one fits. Diana isn't a character who's changing up her look. This is a warrior who *needs* to be clothed to blend in but finds nearly every stitch of clothing is geared towards fashion rather than function. This is one of the few examples of a montage that is necessary and appropriate.
You guys should watch the animated DC movie universe which starts with Justice League: the Flashpoint Paradox. The characters are written phenomenally, the stories are amazing, and they are not afraid to go completely dark. The last film (Justice League Dark: Apokolips War) was actually rated R. These 16 films, in my opinion, are the best build up of the DC universe with characters, villains, you name it.
Jenkins did not want the big final fight at all, so when WB forced it, they had to rush to get it done.
Also, Amazon Prime joke here.
Oh and I really appreciate Matt's thoughts!
The real Ares, is the Ares we met along the way
Did any one notice that Robin Wright,who's in The Princess Bride, played the part of Antiope the sister of Hippolyta, general of the Amazonian army.I loved all the comments given after the film,well done all of you and looking forward to the next one.
Still even now for me the best DCEU film. Just a real shame they didn't stick the landing.
If Diana was left with the idea that there was no wizard behind the curtain and that some people can just be evil, it adds more. Also adds more weight to Steve's death as she was so single minded in her pursuit. Unfortunately we had to get the big CGI fight and her power up that never appears again...
Matt: the first person on the internet to appreciate the final fight scene with Ares.
The great thing about this movie is it presents multiple answers to the problem of evil, and support for both answers. Is it black & white, or is there a gray area? Yes.
I like to think of these 5 films my own personal DCEU series, in this order
WonderWomen
Man of steel
Batmsn vs. Superman
ZS justice league
Aquaman. And it feels like a 5 film arc.
Really? There's an Arc?
No.
Finding out they are watching wonder woman 2017: yeah, let's go
Then finding out they will be watching wonder woman quest for peace: *oh boy*
Wonder Woman was good but WW84 is better 😉
@@Thecatdrums3 Haha. No.
Lmao the husky wants to join the conversation so bad!!
Can't wait for more Clone Wars. I grew up watching them and there is a lot of really good content in there.
I never thought it would happen but Holden and Jeremy actually liked a DC film!!!
I think my favorite line in the movie was when Charlie was ashamed and and wanted to bail and Diana says "But then who will sing for us?"
tell matt to bring some holy water to wash his eyes if he's going to watch joss whedon justice league. over all amazing video
12:12 Matt: (Making Dog like sounds)
Dog: Excuse me?
Secretly it’s that he/she understood what he said in dog language and was wondering why Matt said what he did 😂
I didn’t mind 1984 🤷♂️ I thought some scenes were beautiful! And I really enjoyed Diana a lot more. I get some of the villain stuff was a bit silly but sometimes I enjoy some campiness in my movies.
Pedro Pascal and Kristen Wiig performance were great as Maxwell Lord and Cheetah and the concept of the movie was cool but it felt so different due to change in tone and felt like it was trying to be more comedic rather than serious
Nah. Its totally trash." Man bad" bla bla
Warner Bros: Sees Cap: The First Avenger
WB: Ctrl + C
We going there? The only reason Civil War exists is because Feige (who I looooove) found out about BVS.
@@MsMSB2012 so? Still different. Steve and Tony is friend, Ka el and Bruce no shit about each other. And they didnt just say " Martha" then be best friend
15:44 Idk why but even back then when the movie came out, Steve's accent always made me giggle lol 😅
OMG i actually jumped for joy when i saw the thumbnail!!! Matt better like this or so help me
I maintain that while I'm not a big fan of the DCEU that Wonder Woman has absolutely the best theme music. So fuckin badass
I think you misunderstood what she was saying about love.
By the end she understands that killing Aris does NOT take the bad out of people's hearts.
She knows that it's a personal choice everyone makes, and that protecting people (witch dose sometimes requires fighting or killing), and Love is the best way to encourage people to chose good.
It shows her accepting Steve's view on people, not giving a different one.
Before, she "loved" people because of an imaginary goodness she thought they had. When she finally understood how flawed they were, she stopped "loving" them. Watching her friends, out of bullets, holding each other waiting to die, and especially Steve giving his life to save countless others, she was now able to "Love" humanity for who they really are.
She always wanted to help Humanity be the best version of itself but now she's changing her tactics.
She doesn't want to help Batman take out big bads, because she no longer believes that is the answer.
I think it’s darn cool that Gal shot this while pregnant
No.
Wonder Woman evolved drastically from this movie to ZSJL. She became more self aware of the world, more brave and more of a badass in ZSJL, while I still do love her in this movie. Her action scenes give me goosebumps everytime in both movies.
I prefer the way they do action with wonder woman in the one scene where she mows down all the soldiers in the end and in the Snyder cut, because it actually shows off how fast she is.
Wonder Woman is a tremendous movie. One of my favorite.
*Checks comments 1st to see if Holden cracked jokes over the whole thing*
Mark 3:18. Actually, live-action wise, actress Cathy Lee Crosby, played the role first, in the first made-for-television movie that served as the first pilot for the series, but it failed, but not so much that they refused to do a second pilot movie with, Lynda Carter. 👍
Matt's personality is so friendly and innocent yet his body is so ripped and he looks like he can kill me lol
Such a funny contrast
It is interesting that in history ww1 ended with a armistice who's terms were so onerous on Germany that the world was doomed to fight another world war 20 years later. So maybe Aries succeeded after all.
I love this movie and the message. Cuz its so true. Ares isn’t what makes people evil. Those people do evil things because they are evil. And killing him didn’t make humanity pure. Humanity can be disgusting and evil and it can be amazing, beautiful, and good. No one will ever defeat evil. Everyone has to chose for themselves what type of person they want to be. Love and compassion is what changes the world for the better.
First female led superhero film in modern era was the daredevil spinoff Electra with jenifer garner.
Matt: “they see guns and… white men pullin up”
Holden: “good point”
LMFAOOOOOO
Adorable dogs, Prime... I love 'em...
His secretary was Pam from the British version of the Office
"Because next week, we're gonna be watching the Josstice League"
Oh no...
In the comics, the Amazonians don't sculpt their children from clay. That was only Diana. She's a special case.
In the comic canon, the Amazonians will go out into the ocean outside of their safety bubble. They lure in sailors, sleep with them, then kill them and sink their ships.
After birth if the child is a girl, great. If the child is a boy, they kill it and start the process all over again.
Pretty dark if you ask me.
Hey Holden, do u think u could get matt to react to all the original karate kid movies 1-3, and then the cobra Kai series? I really think he’ll like myagi’s inspiration quotes in the movies and how Daniel will try to take the role in cobra Kai.
at the time it was my third favorite dc film. suicide squad, bvs and then wonder woman. she is my favorite hero (tied with jean grey). she is totes relateable and so great to see someone of the same faith out there being AWESOME
The dogs alone are worth a LIKE.
I wonder if Holden is aware of the symbology of the men boosting wonderwoman on top the top of the church (patriarchal symbol) which destroys the cupola and places the woman (divine feminine/woman God) on top to be idolized by the town as a savior. I really liked how this movie went subtle with its symbolism rather than in your face and how most didn't notice, but it IS there.
That intro bit was 10/10
10:34 Matt wait 'til you see Wonder Woman 1984. She uses the lasso to swing across lightning. If only Spiderman can web-sling across the sky.
Patty Jenkins originally didn't want parts of that last main battle scene with Wonder woman and Aries but Hollywood insisted that she put it in.
Btw I've always and only been here for Matt's opinions.
I understand that people want a female lead superhero movie. I get that the cultural significance of this movie is huge. However.. This doesn't really do Wonder Woman, or Women in general justice.
Steve Trevor is the one who pushes the plot forward in every situation.
If Steve never survived in the island and told Diana about the war they never would have left.
If Steve didn't have the rank he did, Diana would have never talked to the Generals.
Steve is the one that took Diana to the front.
Steven is the one that blows up the plane.
It's even Steve's death that pushes her over the edge.
The entire time Diana is constantly asking "Steve, I need to do something. Can you help me?" And Steve's like "Yeah baby, don't worry about it. I'll take care of you. I'll handle it."
He has an answer for everything that Diana needs help with. Steve is the driving force behind the movie. Which sucks because it should have been Diana.
1984 was a better movie in terms of this, but even then, that movie was pretty gross at certain times. (It wasn't a good movie, but at least Diana actually solved problems on her own without needing her man to hold her hand.)
I just think this movie was pretty bad.
Why do you all have these giant beautiful houses? Now I'm depressed. :(
Awe keep your head up! Love your talent with the piano! watched and gave a few likes. Honestly for me, it's a mix of hard work, luck, and a decade of good financial choices.
I wish .. matt will like falcon and the winter soldier
If your name is Steve and you're in a superhero movie, DO NOT GET ON A PLANE
Comment number 29 of me trying to get you to watch Agents of SHIELD. It gets really good after season one, just make it past season 1 and you’ll love it.
Yup AoS was a good old MCU show along with Agent Carter, DD, and Punisher. The rest either 'just ok" or "meh."
I actually thought Season 1 was great!
@@albertjackinson Sure it was ok but compared to the rest of the show it was bad
Season 4 is still my favorite season of any comic book show..it edges out daredevil for me.
Holden: Next we are going to watch Josstice League.
Matt: What the hells a Josstice league?
Me: oh sweet summer child....
One of the best DC comics movies of all time
11:05 we are not even kind to fellow human beings, what makes you think we will ever be kind to other-worldly beings?
I think this film would have been so much better if it had ended around the point of Steve Trevor explaining to Diana that outside the world of Themyscira "it isn't just one bad guy" without the Ares reveal. The angle of Ares being the "God of Truth" rather than War, could have been good for a sequel, but here it feels like they subverted a good introspective ending for something more formulaic.
Patty Jenkins is directing Rogue Squadron, and I have faith that she will do a good job. I loved this movie, and I hope she does a good job with Star Wars. That seems like a passion project for her.
When Ares shouts "No!" it is not one dimensional like he doesn't believe in love.. Ares reaction is more of anger of kinda failing to.convince Diana, and the "no!" is more of a frustration that Diana is not buying whatever speech he is selling.
24:53 The thing is Diana is closely related to love(not love like a couple but a deep maternal love) on the emotional light spectrum(the thing that Lanterns draw their power from), so being a fan of Wonder Woman I was glad they kept true to her being tied to love because that makes at least one hero the DCEU got right in a movie.(Not counting the Nolan trilogy because they ain't part of the DCEU and not really counting Shazam because that has virtually nothing to do with the DCEU)
I love how Wonder Woman’s theme music is just the Spy Kids music.
Hey Holden,
Just want to wish you and the crew a good weekend! 🎊🎉
I am really happy that Matt rated this as high as he did, I love this movie, but I hope you guys watch Shazam after Josstice League. Shazam is by far my favorite DCEU movie.
Aquaman is the next in line, right? Then Shazam! Well we gonna be there soon