DITCHING my Homelab software for UNRAID
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2024
- Check out Linode! bit.ly/linode-techhut $100 - 60 day credit on new Linode accounts for TechHut viewers. In video video we overview some of the general layouts and features of the UNRAID NAS software. A paid solution in the sphere of free and open source competitors.
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00:00 - Introduction
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02:39 - UNRAID Cost
03:50 - UNRAID Dashboard
05:06 - Array Devices
05:56 - Network Shares
08:40 - Settings
10:00 - Docker Containers
13:37 - Apps and Plugins
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Welcome aboard, brother. I’m really looking forward to your future unraid content helping to grow the community.
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You should have probably set the ssd as a cache then set appdata to be on cache as preferred. Not an unraid expert but I think that's how it's designed.
You can get around the issue you had with Truenas Scale by going into Advanced settings in the Apps tab and unticking "Enable Host Path Safety Checks". This allows the apps to start up after a reboot and also have a SMB share for the same location. 😉
Been running unraid for over a year. I haven’t had a lot of time to dig deeper so I am excited for you to make more content on it.
Great news! I'm always looking out for more Unraid content. I've been using it for almost a year, and it has been great so far.
You should update at 2:50 that now it is priced per year if you want updates, sooo even more expensive.
I would use the nvme as cache drive and for selective shares (e.g. download) configure the "Use cache pool (for new files/directories)" setting so that new downloads go to the cache by default. Mover will then transfer files to the array (depending on the setting selected).
For the share that contains VM files, one could set it up for "prefer cache" to keep the VM disk on the cache if there's space and increase performance.
Ideally of course, one would want multiple cache drives for redundancy. If only one cache disk, ensure that it's not used for critical data or back up content separately. I keep my appdata on the cache, but use "CA Backup / Restore Appdata" from the community store to back up the app configs and data.
This is definitely the way to do it. When I did this I found file upload almost doubled in speed. The other advantage was I tended to hit new files for a week or so and then access dropped off. By using a cache ssd I cut the amount of time my HDD needed to power up. Reducing power use as well as wear and tear.
Been using unRAID for a couple of years now and I love how versatile it is. Also love how it simplifies Docker for a smooth-brain like myself and keeps everything in AppData for persistent data/config. I have seen there have been issues with certain USB3.0 flash drives but I've had no problems with a 4GB USB2.0 stick I ripped out of a dead Ubiquiti EdgeRouter 4 PoE. It's great they now support ZFS. Got a large pool full of Linux ISO's to stream via Plex!
Spaceinvader says hi😂. I spent two years on unRAID, but for my docker apps the high availability was important. Running them in a HA ceph proxmox cluster. For media and data i have two truenas system. Never looked back to unRAID, although I don't have anything again just don't miss it too much. The biggest advantage the random size hard disks you can just add to your pools.
I bought the Plus version of Unraid and love it!
4yrs in using unraid and still loving it.
Been using unRAID for two years now and I don’t regret it at all.
Hi Techhut, great video as always, keep up the good work.
Thank you! :)
I ran Truenas for two years but switched to Unraid. Been running it for about 4 years now and currently have a main server and a second for testing.
I started with UNRAID, originally because I was running a dual gaming system, then I played around with TrueNas Core and Scale as an ISCSI target with some 10G links. So far I'm kind of split between the two because there are aspects of both I want... So far here are my conclusions:
Neither solution will outperform a hardware RAID controller. Yes they use caching to mask how bad it is, but when doing large transfers they're both underwhelming in my experience.
TrueNas has a great UI for configuring ISCSI targets (although more tuning options would be nice)
Rebuilding a degraded pool is easier in TrueNas, and it's nice knowing you can easily import/ export your pools if you need to.
Networking UI is better in TrueNas IMO
Raw drive performance appears to be better in TrueNas. I'm guessing this is because of the way blocks are distributed with ZFS.
TrueNas won't let you use a RAID controller, which wouldn't be as big a pain if they would provide more resource tuning options, like how much of your CPU you want to use towards IO. You have to sacrifice a bunch of drives to the ZFS gods just to get some decent sustained throughput.
If you want decent performance with TrueNas, you better have a bunch of flash laying around. 2 NVME drives to improve reads, 2 for ISCSI writes, 2 more for metadata? Dedup? Good lord.
UNRAID lets you pass through your hardware RAID controller which is nice if you don't care about using what's "recommended" and just want committed HDD writes sometime this week.
All in all they're both cool, but neither is complete. Despite my rant, I'm actually very impressed with how far they have come in the last few years.
If you were to mesh the best parts of both, you'd have a damn good array.
Great video by the way. I made sure to drop a like :)
Hi. Great video! And nice decision - Unraid is the way to go. But just an advise, it's not recommended to use NVME drives within the Array. Use it as a cache drive.
You can decide what the nvme drive is used for within the array. For example all the VMs can be installed on it and nothing else
It was my process too. Truenas, omv but I'm about to settle on unraid too. Great timing 😂
useing my nvme drive as a cache drive and then putting the appdata share on cache works really well for me instead of adding it to the array directly
unraid is a lot better than synology or any raid solution in energy consumption, and I love that!
I'm an unraider since a few months ago. It's great, docker setups are a total breeze (I know how to do so with docker-compose but this is super simple) and the plugins and support is excellent. Also a very good VM manager. The licence is lifetime and I would recommend highly that anyone who wants to use it takes advice from unraid forums and Limetech themselves to try to only go with recommended usb stciks, I found that out just recently! It was an absolute breeze to keep my disk config, transfer to new usb stick and get licence for the new stick (took 1 minute by email)
Im definitely an unraid fanboy, I used em all in my homelab, truenas, OMV and proxmox. I still use Truenas as a backup to my unraid. I like the forum support and the GUI interface, I just think it’s well thought out and works! Plus you can add disks of any size to the array
Honestly, I prefer Kubernetes. I know it's complicated and stuff, but in my scenario of mixed applications, I can truly share the computing power of differently configured nodes for different applications centralized into a cluster. Maybe it's so comfortable to me because I use it all the time in my full-time job and UNRAID seemed too... limiting for me. But I surely understand that this is a sweet spot for homelab enthusiast that combines simplicity, convenience and a lot of possibilities.
Nice to see some Unraid here, currently I'm using both Unraid and TrueNAS Scale and they're great :)
Question though, why did you set your SSD in the Array instead of using a Pool?
AFAIK, Arrays don't properly support SSDs yet, or at least it was never recommended since they don't have TRIM scheduled (you might get degraded performance and lifespan over time), you're not taking advantage of their speed all the time and you'll need to micromanage all your shares and paths to use or not use the SSD "disk".
It's always recommend to use a Pool for you SSDs instead, and take advantage of the native caching, Mover, etc UserShare features Unraid already provides. Pools also support BTRFS RAID modes, so you can create a Mirror Pool.
I'm still learning, thanks for this. I'm actually going to upgrade it to a larger one and use that as cache.
i haven't been able to justify buying an actual NAS device. I plug USB drives into main computer and share that :P I'm completely hosed if the disk dies though...
Thanks for the great overview of Unraid :)
Getting a used desktop and getting some new RAID disks is usually a good option. Just make the motherboard supports the amount of drives you need. :D Also Intel is a better bet if you're not adding a GPU for the hardware encoding.
Did you ever do the video covering everything you did here? Really curious to understand some of this better.
Welcome to Unraid! I've been using it as my primary homelab server environment for about 4 years now - it runs my NAS as well as all of my container and VM network services (including my media with Emby). I've been thrilled with it. I dabbled a bit in Proxmox, TrueNas and others but always find myself coming back to Unraid. FYI - in your Share settings, you don't need to set both Included Disks and Excluded Disks. Anything not selected in Included Disks is excluded automatically (and vice-versa).
I'm considering building a home NAS and leaning toward Unraid for it. I was already torn between Unraid and TrueNAS Scale, but learning that TrueNAS Scale basically forces the use of k3s rather than Docker Engine pretty much decided me.
Or there's the popular option of running proxmox and virtualizing everything within it, including the nas os.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I’ve got a MS-01 as a Proxmox host, but I8m leaning toward bare metal TrueNAS these days. I’ve come to think it’s best for a file server to be a file server and nothing else. That way you can get ECC support without worrying about needing QuickSync, as you can have QuickSync in your application host if it’s separate.
Did you put together the hardware you're running this on? I'd be interested in a video on that.
I'm running this on the Terramaster T6-423. The software they ship sucks, but this turns it into a great machine. czcams.com/video/whuaVV2J-zg/video.html
Why not use that NVMe as a Cache pool? You can still run VMs/Docker from it, but also use it as a cache when writing from the LAN. Would be better if drive is larger, but still...
How are the read/write speeds for you? I really like the unraid UI but I'm worried about the read and write speeds being limited. Considering either unraid for an old 4790k computer i have or getting some ecc capable hardware for truenas or just get a Synology for main NAS and use the old computer for unraid for backups.
It depends on drive partitions .. ZFS - EXT4 - Exfat, stripped - spanned - Raid 5 - 6, HDD - SSD - M.2
Do you want data redundancy .. speed, bulk? Do you use an SSD cache? All these factors weigh in.
That 4790k system has numerous benefits. You can also backup to a disk and cron an rsync after the backup to a second disk. Can't do that on a Synology afaik.
ECC without ZFS can still result in data corruption overtime.
@@herdsire90210 Settled on synology as my data backbone, then running proxmox on a sff pc for workloads/services and the 4790k system for unraid to repurpose old hardware and use it for various backups. I'm running unraid without cache for initial data migration but once main backups are done i'm turning on mirrored SSDs for cache to help with write performance. Having the flexibility of these 3 machines is fun and i've learned a lot in the past month. Next step is figuring out how best to automate updates for LXCs, docker containers, etc. For backups/redundancy I have hyperbackup from synology to unraid via rsync and I have syncthing for docker volumes from sff pc to synology and syncthing for media from synology to unraid. So hyperbackup only handles the most sensitive stuff so that I am a bit more protected there and i have versioning turned on for syncthing but still a bit more vulnerable to data corruption there with a one way sync. Next step is automating a hyperbackup to an external hdd as well and maybe a cloud membership to backup photos and maybe docker configs off-site and a proxmox backup server solution since my laptop i wanted to repurpose to that function died. Oh and I need to figure out how to make all of them know when power is out from the UPS so that they can shut down. Fun journey, and I can easily see unraid replacing the SFF pc entirely when I swap the platform to something with better quicksync encoding and more cores.
@TechHut Your VMs (/mnt/cache/domains/) and docker (/mnt/cache/appdata/) wil automagically and always use SSD/NVMe storage if you have this disk assigned as the Cache drive. This works because of these shares having Cache:Yes setting.
Good video.
Man could you make a how to video on managing containers on unraid, im new to containers idea, great video
Why are you not using the nvme for cache drive?
Why did you put the nvme in with the array and not use it separately as a Cache or other Pool? It's a lot cleaner if you separate it out.Then set it as the default drive for Docker/VM's etc
Unraid license is tied to an individual flash drive?? How long will you be down when that flash drive fails?
So what hardware are you using to serve Plex now?
How do you get on with that Terramaster?
thought he would discuss the hardware he used.
I would like enable docker on the latest Unraid, but I'm unsure to choose between ipvlan or macvlan.
I would use ipvlan unless you have a reason not to. There have been issues with macvlan. Not 100% what they are but it was in their latest patch notes. Install the "Fix common problems" plugin and it will check for this kind of issue.
Just curious about your NAS case (the cover pic one). I'm prepare my home server recently. Your case is soooo good for my usage. Thanks! ❤
It's a Terramaster machine. They software they ship kinda sucks, but that doesn't matter now. :) czcams.com/video/whuaVV2J-zg/video.html
Stupid question but can't you just setup a NAS in Proxmox?
Can you show us how to set up NextCloud AIO on unraid? I would literally pay money for assistance in getting this running. I’ve tried a few times and always get stuck with a file size limit at 1GB. I don’t know why or how to fix it.
Hello and good day.
I am interested in your hardware configuration. It is difficult to find a suitable NAS enclosure that supports a large motherboard and many hard drive bays.
Can you please add your configuration in the description of the video?
Thank you.
Hey can someone help me with this please. I want to switch to unraid by converting an old PC. That old PC is currently what houses all my HDDs connected with Microsoft Storage Spaces. How do I convert it to unread without losing all my existing data? How did TechHut convert to unraid without losing all his data?
no cache drives?
Nice YT, have you checked out CasaOS?
czcams.com/video/ZUZ_z71u9Ls/video.html 😇
Why nvme is in array ?
Greetings from another Pacific Northwesterner! Glad you have jumped on the UNRAID train. Been a fan of it myself for awhile now. Sounds like I have followed a similar path looking for a NAS/Media server solution for the homelab. Started with TrueNas Core, which worked great, but in the end I found its FreeBSD underpinnings just different enough from Linux that it got in the way of my learning curve, LOL. Did the OMV thing as well, but for some reason, I never quite warmed to the interface. With UNRAID I have found a pretty ideal solution for my needs and hardware. I still prefer to use Proxmox for my VMs, mostly because I found hardware passthrough easier with that platform than with UNRAID, at least with the kit I have. There is one issue I have been monitoring on my UNRAID server that you may wish to keep an eye on as well. I am seeing nearly constant (very small) writes to my cache drive pool, that seem to be a product of chatty dockers. Plex seems to be the worst offenderopn my system, but others seem to be contributing to the situation as well. The constant writes seem to keep the cache drives from going into standby, which I would expect, since this server is otherwise not very busy. The concern of course is the long-term health of the drives. I have added the extra parameters "--no-healthcheck" to the noisiest docker configs, and it does seem to help some, but still seeing more writes than I would expect. It would be interesting to know if you or any other viewers are experiencing something similar, or if a workable solution is found. Love your content. Keep up the great work!
You should not have a ssd in the Arras with hard drives. Array parity might not work for you if any drive fail. Ssd should be cache.
I was gonna try it but it wouldnt let me virtualize it. Tying it to a USB key boot drive is stupid IMO.
OMG! please tell me it has a dark mode that you didn't activate, I'm now snowblind from trying to watch this.
I switched drives No customer support call
Welcome. All roads lead to Unraid 🙏🤣
i tried unraid and hated it.
intel celeron N5105?! omg that must be a slow NAS, and a nvme in the array?! omg
Just to clarify you can easily change your license for Unraid to a new drive yourself or within an hour by contacting support. You can change the usb key license yourself through self service once per year.
Where is your parity drive??? update: it's there, just missed it
At 05:17 you can see it's the first drive on the stack. Also for your Cache comment; I'll be adding one soon. I'd waiting to get a larger drive for this purpose. :D
Missed that! Use the nvme for cache. You can set docker files to live on cache only and not moved. But I suggest to use two drives in mirror for cache.
its not reccomended to have an ssd in your array with a parity drive active......
Unraid is great for software but for speed and reliability maybe use open-zfs or other nas on your lan? For example : everything is run as root and all files and folders belong to nobody : users
openzfs support is coming soon on unraid. It is a bit of a learning curve and the restrictions on disks (unraid is very flexible with its native formats) that zfs will impose will take some justifications for me to move. Luckily you can run a mixture of zfs/array/pool types on unraid. ZFS file integrity could sway me..... (long term unraid fan here)
@@TheSpantsutube It's already been here for years via the plugin. The support will add the ability to use open-zfs partitions on individual disks in the regular pool to use compression for example. It's the compromise it seems they achieved with 6.12.
@@philippemiller4740 I know, but I will wait for it to be baked in and supported before I commit my data.
What do you mean by everything is run as root?
@@vidmonkey permissions wise, it's wide open, every software runs as root, you cannot disable root or run as root. You have to use root to do everything. Makes it very insecure.
You actually trust the USB stick? I've seen too many of those die unexpectedly....
Seems like a backwards step to me.
TrueNAS is free, but you get what you pay for.
8 Gigs of RAM, wow
I'll stick to Proxmox.
Proxmox is awesome. I don't really need virtualization outside of Docker containers so this is awesome for me.
I also like the proxmox as my base hypervisor. Especially with poxmox backup system.
@@TechHut You can easily spin up a Turnkey LXC instance for the same effect. I ran into issues using HASS and Plex in a docker situation so LXC and VM was the way to go.
@@bluesquadron593 PBS is superb. I run 2 virtual instances. My servers cross backup also.
@@TechHut Thats fair. Im the opposite, still trying to find enough things to containerize to get into Docker. I don’t use many apps that are commonly self-hosted, but I use quite a few different virtual machines for school and fun. I love Linux but hadn’t run it on bare metal until using Proxmox recently.
I just finished setting up a Windows 11 VM with GPU passthrough after watching your video. It works excellent so far, and can stream games to other computers in the house using Moonlight.
This all seem sooo, noobish friendly.
Yea its easy, if thats what you are looking for your homelab. But you are missing most of the "lab" thing.
No proper hypervisor, no hands-on pretty much anywhere
What? The problem you had can be solved with a simple checkbox (unchecking "Validate Hostpath", which has now been removed completely, based on user feedback).
And you are telling us, you moved to a system, that doesn't allow you to create more than 1 disk array, gives you zero control over its configuration and (at the time of posting this video) did not yet support ZFS? Ridiculous reasoning.
I don’t get it.. why not just install Linux ?
so Unraid is not only paid but also closed source, right? and this is what is advertised here, yes?
Unraid has some close source elements, but much of it is open source.
Pay for a for a NAS software ... NOPE!
First
Gone are the days of unraid pay once now your going to be paying yearly. Subscriptions are stupid don't use unraid.
They will still have a lifetime option. unraid.net/blog/pricing-change
OS running off USB… really?
That alone is enough to put me off.
I do like this channel, but this particular review isn’t up to the normal standard. Moving from OpenMediaVault to UnRaid would be a retrograde step for many users. The fact is, they each do rather different things, which you don’t really cover :(
What would you say that Unraid is more geared toward?
@@ultravioletiris6241 Containers. Probably handles them better than OMV. Depends how important that aspect is to you.
@@agentpete5987 thx. What do you think about how Unraid handles containers vs Proxmox?
Unraid license stuck to USB hahahaha
People avoid software that runs off USB, they die far to often, even $100 USBs....
free, quick, easy usb key swap is part of unRaid.
@@TheSpantsutube Idk, heard guys who use it saying its a pain in the a$$ to switch while going through their support, more than 4 people confirmed it, idk might be a brand new thing.
Ah, alright, Unraid is for the absolute newbies, and for people who is not able or willing to learn.
Unraid is garbage. Not the actual software, but the company behind it. Locking your license to a USB is asking for trouble and what many don't know is if your USB dies, you'll have to buy another license. It's like a pyramid scheme. I prefer Proxmox for all my VMs and also use TrueNAS Scale and have absolutely no issues.
your comment is garbage. it is easy, quick & free to swap your key - i have done it several times over the many years of use.
@@TheSpantsutube you're missing the point. "Locked to USB". USB's fail quicker and a lot more often than say an SSD, NVMe, or a SATADOM. Also, AFAIK you can only change once a year in case the USB fails.
@yourpcmd not missing at all. I have used unraid for many years and swapped failed USB, even within a year. They can also blacklist failed USB sticks. Once you understand the process it is easy
And the USB is not written too often as it loads os to ram.
I believe that you can also boot from a drive and as long as the USB is inserted it will load
Unraid is becomming a Subscription Modell btw! @TechHut
lol hard drives + nvme in the array hahaha, seems like you don't know how to use unraid