TRRS 462: Train v Car Accident - As it Happened!
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2016
- Nov 2, 2015 Muskegon, MI - On an unseasonably warm November morning, the Michigan Shore Railroad is preparing their outbound interchange freight to the CSX 30 miles south in Holland, MI
Skipping ahead to the Henry Street hill, where I was setup to test a new method of pacing trains, using the parallel but crappy road. I wasn't planning on using this footage, but what happened next changed my mind!
Following alongside the train, after being screwed over by a truck who thought he owned the road, we hear the emergency brakes pop - passing the next crossing (you can see under the train - I didn't see it at the time) that a car was hit on the other side.
What follows is the aftermath, before they resume their southbound run - but not after stalling out again on the hill with a heavy train rolling over freshly fallen leaves.
Michigan Shore Z627
Consist:
- MMRR 2019 [GP38]
- MMRR 2057 [GP38]
- 1 Box [From Bay Logistics]
- 6 CHs [From Nugent Sand]
Location/Time:
- MMRR RR, Muskegon, MI, North Yard, from 8:29 to 8:45 EST
- Henry Street Hill, Car Crash and Aftermath, from 9:03 to 10:12
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Recorded with a Sony PJ790 Camcorder
Edited with Cyberlink PowerDirector 13
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the train wins every time ... glad no one was hurt. nice shot of these Genese and Wyoming locos
The train acquired some new car paint to add to its collection.
This company has trains and locomotives in this livery here in Australia.
I have seen some locomotives with malfunctioning ditch lights, but 2019 is more confused that HSP46 2004. She can't decide to have both lights flashing or even in at the same time. But you know who is more confused than that: the car driver who hit the train.
Our railroad used to own 2019 (B&P/G&W 51) and lets just say her lights are too dumb.
Sweet video, and hopefully everyone was alright after the accident.
man I love your videos. The narration is awesome. Makes me want to get out there!
That horn sounds like it's a cool Raised Letter K5LA!
This is clearly the trains fault, how are drivers supposed to see or hear a brightly colored train with bells ringing and air horn blasting on a clear sunny day?
philyfred trains had right of way since day one
philyfred No it's not, it's the drivers fault because he raced the train in the first place!
AndyMickeyD56 Gaming And how are we supposed to understand the sarcasm? I clearly have no interest in trains, hence why i came to this video in the first place. Therefore i clearly have no knowledge of them and have no place at all watching such a video, especially stating the obvious as a reply to a sarcastic comment.
Car/train accidents are surprisingly like car/tree accidents; in almost all cases the train or the tree chased the car down the road until they crashed!
You really need to keep an eye on the RV mirror for approaching trees and trains!
Current Batches: That's so true. One time in the winter, i was driving down the road and came up on an icy patch. The ice prevented me from swerving out of the way of a damn tree that jumped right out in front of me!
with the exception of my time in the service I have lived within a mile of train tracks.
right now I live about a block from the historic Jackson Michigan train station.
you doing a good job with these videos and I love the way you narrate
Excellent catch. Thank you for using a tripod; the steadiness is appreciated. This plays right into a recent discussion about whistles at crossing. Someone suggested there was no need to whistle through the crossing, but obviously inattentive motorists need all the warning they can get, and even that may not be enough.
There's a school of thought that the problem with whistles and sirens being loud is that it's hard for drivers to localise the source. There were experiments done about 20 years ago that showed adding a burst of white noise dramatically sped up both localisation and getting attention in the first place. (which is why EV noisemakers are more like white noise than a beeper - even though I want a jetsons car sound for mine!)
Not that there's ANY excuse to blow a crossing. That's just plain suicidal and the driver got off lightly.
+Alan Brown True but then EV's can come from practically anywhere especially in an urban environment so being able to locate them quickly is really essential. Trains tend to be found on train tracks only so the signs, lights etc making the level crossing plus the visible rails crossing the road are all fairly good hints where you should not be when you hear a train horn nearby.
The ironic thing is that the locomotive has operation life saver on it 😂
I wonder if they were texting? Doesn't matter, you can't fix stupid... great video!
+benchedthatpiece No, you caint.
qwandiddy you could be Right . But you gotta Treat Every Track As Live
The Old Adage : Stop. Look. Listen.
And Drive with your Window Open A Little So You Can Hear What is Going On Around You. Might Hear Something important
Be Safe in 2018 And Beyond
agreed.
I was dispatching a railroad in South Carolina years back, I got a call from the crew in Florence and they told me while they were crossing a main street in town SOME IDIOT TRIED TO DRIVE UNDER A TANK CAR in the consist...........You don't have to FIX stupid....there's many MORE
+qwandiddy ... That's as maybe, but how do you miss the flashing lights, clanging crossing bell, and the HOOOORRRRRNK.... HWORRRRRK of the approaching giant mass of brightly coloured metal dopplering in from the passenger side?
love your videos with the voice overs better than any other
Just love the sound of those roots blown engines and I gotta say those GP38 locos look well maintained!
New paint doesn't always mean reliable power...lipstick on a pig at times. These two seem to be decent power, though.
At first when I saw the thumbnail, my mind went directly to RCPE (me being an SD railfanner). Then I thought, I wasn't informed of an RCPE accident, must be one of the other million sister companies with the same paint scheme :)
Well that surely a surprise to everyone, especially the driver of the car. Glad no one got hurt.
Superb video, I like the idea that you a blow by blow description of what is happening, and in most cases a history of what we are viewing :o)
Pretty ironic that the locomotives have Operation Lifesaver emblems on them.
pretty much killing off the dipshits so neither them nor their offspring in the future can cause harm to anybody from doing stupid shit
Great reporting sir keep it up enjoy watch your blogs
Was that you at the end shaking hands with one of the railroad guys?
Beautiful location!
"Failed to yield to crossing bells and lights and the train's air horn." Honestly, what else do you need ? Imagine if this guy was abducted by aliens, they'd figure humans are so stupid the invasion will be a cinch !
Maybe he was seat dancing to the beat of his 2,000,000 watt subwoofer.
Very rare catch! Nice video.
Cool video! Damn, I love those old GP's
3:06 you can see it either coasting form momentum or being drug/dragged by the cars. Based of the front quarter damage to the Lincoln I'd go with the former.
Nice video! Too bad that car got hit, some people can't wait just a few extra minutes to save their own lives.
Hey Thornapple River Rail Series, Do you know when Michigan Shore's GP38 MMRR #2057 will return to Muskegon? I miss seeing it around town.
It is on assignment on MQT, and may never return. The Michigan Shore will be getting a new Geep from the Huron & Eastern, however, soon.
Good shooting! Thanx for the narration, too.
Irony. The lead locomotive has an Operation Lifesaver sticker and hits a driver that should've stopped.
If I said it once, I've said it a thousand time, people who mess around with trains are living with a death wish. It takes the length of about 18 football fields for a train to come to a complete stop and they can not stop on a dime and hand you your life back along with nine cents in change. Some people are just plain DUMB ( and that's putting it nicely ).
crazy people do not have any patience or like to be inconvenience!!!
The train wins every time. Great video!
If you listen closely, you can hear the crash at 2:54 right after the horn then the brakes popping at 2:55, then the train slowing down.
Nice catch! and whats up with 2019's 2nd radiator fan? and it look like the car broke the ditch light.
It did the car was hit on the same side the ditchlight was on
It broke the
Electric wires but the light bulb is fine
@@TriStateRailfan No it's been broken ever since B&P/G&W put a ditch light on it.
To the driver of that car.... can't fix stupid!. Great video nonetheless!
That horn at the end was intristing with the pitch raising with every blast.
How do you always happen upon train/car collisions?
Because I'm a terrible, terrible person.
So true. :P
You blew the stop sign but who was coming the other way anyhow. The train stopped that from happening didn't it?
Who in their right mind wouldn't stop for a train signal!
Just a comment from the UK, do you think that the length of your trains might have something to do with it? Mind you, over here our trains are about a tenth of yours and we STILL get idiots crossing, or trying to cross, in front of them.
Train length is independent of getting hit by one! Sure the stopping distance is much longer, but it doesn't mean North American Roads will pick off more traffic.
Thanks for your reply but I'm afraid I wasn't very clear in my comment. What I was trying to say was that because your trains are usually so long, impatient drivers might be inclined to risk crossing in front of them so as not to have to wait.
I see what you're saying now. Probably, at least to some extent. Obviously a few minutes is never worth a life or a trip to the hospital, but that's what happens in human nature, I guess.
When I visited the States some years ago, I took an Amtrak sleeper from San Francisco across to Chicago, down to Washington, down to Orlando then back to L.A. It was a dream trip I saved up for, my first time ever in a first class sleeper. I saw several near misses through the window including in Reno where a semi miscalculated and got the boom gate stuck between the cab and the trailer. He wasn't hit, all trains stopped okay but we were stopped for ages until the authorities cleared him out of the mess he was in. I was told by fellow passengers that so many crossing accidents happen because freight trains are so long and often travel slow so you could get stuck at crossing for a long time.
On several occasions our Amtrak stopped across the crossing for about 20 minutes because it was too long for the platform.
No, it's not worth dicing with a train, there's no way you can win but I can see why some people would try to beat the train.
Even by the rules of the road at stop signs/intersections, the train had the right-of-way...
Nice, well framed, steady videos!
Great catch! Why not show EMS and fire arriving, if called, and how long the response took?
You (we) are allowed to get closer as long as not trespassing.
No fire and EMS response, the people in the car only called for police, who were only a block away at the time.
where did the other 2 boxes
appear from?
LOL. Ironic both locomotives had Operation LifeSaver decals on them
Great catch.
If only that darn red pickup truck hadn't been there you would have got a better shot of the hit.
Great video.
i hope they send the car driver for a eye sight test how could they hit a slow moving train with bright orange locomotives and red flashing crossing lights
Eyesight, hearing, hand-eye coordination. Comprehension and reaction time testing.....
Dickheads think they can beat the train. Sometimes they can, sometimes the train beats them.
+Alan Brown don't forget drug test
Greg Rowe
+David+Allan
Nice!! And check their phone record to see if they were texting/talking too?! 😀
Colorblind and cant see the color orange or red?
Good job of narrating this video.
And the Darwin award goes to…
I
not this guy, cause he didn't die
there are no winners just losers
I like train videos on CZcams 👍
The car driver: I didnt see the train coming!!!
What is that horn called cause I love that horn
very good video thank you
Did you just say 2057? You talking about me boy? haha jk :). Awesome video btw.
r/beetlejuicing
People really need to be more careful. That could’ve scratched the train!
I enjoy your videos and your narration is enjoyable and helpful to know what is happening. Was that you at the end of the video?
Nope that was a friend of mine.
The left ditchlight is broken
MM RR Whats the name of this railroad? I have yet to see this one!.
Michigan Shore Railroad
I'm going to ask a dumb question. Which end of a locomotive is considered the front, the cab end, or the other? 2nd, is there a reason you see 2 engines, hooked tail to tail, or nose to nose? Thanks.
Every locomotive has a designated front end, which is stated using a small "F" on that end. This is an FRA requirement. Traditionally the short-hood end is forward, and the long hood is the rear, however some railroads such as the N&W and SOU did the opposite. However today all major railroads use the short-hood end as forward as their standard, with very few long-hood setups remaining.
They may have a designated front end but they're happy running in either direction. N&W and SOU put long-hood forward because a couple of nasty crashes with short hood forward resulted in the short hood crushing and the crew being killed. A lot of railroads worldwide run long-hood forward by preference for this reason, although modern short hoods are a lot tougher than the ones on the original diesels (mostly because of those crashes). Long or short hood forward makes little difference to overall driver visibility.
The cab end is the front. And nose to nose or tail to tail or nose tail, tail nose is usually but not always random
the 2 bright orange loco's at the begining of the video....arent they Gennessee and Wyoming ?
@Joe Madej thought so as there are a lot of them here in Australia
Looks like a nice little neighborhood.
That train number is next year!
It looks like the ditchlights got screwed up.
Yeah We used To Own It But It's Too Dumb To Figure It Out.
House next to the tracks or jets landing and taking off, which one would you live by?
Trains, probably less noise less often than an airport.
I've done both. You get used to it, or you move. Your choice.
When I was in the Navy, I served aboard the USS Enterprise. My berthing space was one deck below the flight deck, right between the bow catapults. Now THAT was noise!
Tracks. Things don't tend to fall off trains and land on the rooftops of nearby houses.
Cool video
I suppose slow makes it ok! The sign says stop!
I agree if your going to make a video make a full STOP! then move on.
Meh. No harm, no foul. It made sure the way was safe and clear and kept on rolling. If you paid attention, you'd note our speed isn't anywhere in the danger zone to begin with...I could've stopped in less than a car length!
One day tell it to a Cop.
Our railroad used to have ownership of 2019 (G&W 51) and I can say that the ditch light on the right is having issues even after being well maintenanced, there is a goof in the system. My guess would be it's
A: Too dumb to figure it out
B: Motherboard error/Wire needs replacement/calibration
C: Mid Michigan May Have Fixed It.
Flashing lights, warning bells, a huge orange and yellow object, an incredible horn, and headlights. The moron in the car got far less than he deserved.
Lucky for his passenger it was only a glancing blow. A few feet further and he could have killed his passenger with a knuckle to the head!
This isn't as bad as another video I watched a couple years ago. Some kid was in a U.P. yard taking pics and a train came up right behind him, blared the horn and the dumbass still didn't move. Another person nearby had to literally drag his moronic ass off the tracks an instant before the train clocked him. The train was moving very slowly so he might not have died but would have gotten messed up real bad. Sadly, it might have made him smarter.
them ditch lights
this a good reason why I hate signals without gates!
Even though I wants one for my yard
Gates don't do much...in fact, there is a decent chance that gates add to the injury rate because people take longer to go around the gates than to go straight through. If people should just stop on the lights, but they don't even for gates. It's a losing battle, unfortunately!
I've frequently wondered if an air knife would be a useful piece of kit on the front end of trains to get leaves and ice (electric pickups) out of the way, They're a major hazard fro braking.
Modern power built in the last two-three decades do often have air jets in front of the wheels to blow water and debris off the rail, just as you are suggesting.
Thomapple: this is useful information. Do you have examples of installations? I'm in the UK and the two fairly predictable things which cause major travel disruption are leaves on rails and ice on the power rail in the southern part of the country.
What's their power consumption/noise level like?
I’ve always had a lot of respect for trains. Now even more I didn’t take into account the track conditions really. Slippery leaves and inclination
3:30 They need to put those Operation Lifesaver placards in people's cars.
Adam Ohm good thinking
What amazes me is how that front of the train literally doesn't have a scratch. Sure, the train might be several hundred thousand pounds, but all of the force concentrated into such a small area would have caused *some* damage?
The hit was glancing and the material, including the paint, on a locomotive is beyond a shadow of a doubt tougher than an old car!
It just shows how cars are built these days.If it was a '58 Cadillac ,things might have been a little different.
Plastic fantastic!
It's scratched - but only on the corner of the pilot where the car was hit and then thrown. That's made out of reinforced 8-12mm(or thicker) plate steel and shoving a puny half ton of mass (the front end of the car) isn't going to affect it much. The pilot alone probably weighs 3-4 times what the car does.
there was a tiny dent but yes slight damage
did they look at your video??
Yup, it confirmed for them that the crossing was operating as designed, and that the crew was faithfully executing their office through liberal use of the horn.
Can't they turn the bells off when they're parked? Listening to that annoying bell for an hour must have been driving the people in those houses nuts.
Those are operated by track circuits, so unless a maintainer put on jumper wires, they'll keep going. Many other things to worry about to bother...plus, until the police finish their investigation, the crossing signals are evidence - wouldn't want to disable them before the cops could prove that they were working as intended. My video allowed them to conclude that everything was normal with the crossing and crew's actions, in addition to the event recorder on the locomotive.
I'll bet the people in those houses are basically immune to those bells.
TRRS I have to break it to you that a maintainer would need to get into the instrument case and disable the bells to quiet them. Putting a jumper wire is the same as the rail wheels and axles completing the circuit. I have done it. I used to take care of 3 protected crossings; 2 with gates besides the lights and bells.
I have to break it to you - a jumper wire from the positive energy bus to the coil+ on the XR/CBR relay knocks out the whole cabinet. And you never want to disable the system with a train on a crossing in an accident situation, for the exact reason the poster states above.
I have someone in my family who would be thrilled to listen to those bells for an hour.
I never saw a neighborhood like this where the houses were up against the tracks without any fencing of any sort or protection.
Fairly common on branchlines in the US...and even some mainlines. Safety is easy: just stay off the tracks!
wow all 2 of their locomotives at the same time
Kudos to the pedestrian in green - he had patience and a lot more sense than the automobile driver.
sucks you missed the collision because of the truck.
You wouldn't have seen anything anyway since it happened on the other side of the train.
WAIT EVEYRONE IS RIGHT, he blew right through a stop sign at 2:14
Cake Minecraft Gaming blew 2 stop signs
do you honestly think anybody was going to be proceeding straight through the intersection, though?
I think I saw the car on the side of the tracks under the freight train on its last crossing during this incedent.
wait, how did it do 2 comments at once? sorry
No worries, I hold the key to the delete button! haha
thx
street running. cool
That vehicle owner must have graduated from Dufus Central University.
Must be fun living in those houses.
Most trains are in the daytime and during working hours. The Michigan Shore hasn't run 2nd or 3rd trick in a couple years now.
Must be nice to be able to afford a middle class house on a workingman's salary...every cloud has a silver lining.
Been there done that, Now miles away from the choo-choo track.
People these days don't know the dangers around trains. NEVER TRY TO BEAT IT EVEN IF THE TRAIN IS AT A CRAWLING SPEED
You also managed to film yourself blowing off a stop sign.
I mean, it wasn't like there were any conflicting movements...they couldn't go anywhere anyways with the train there.
STOP first then move on and you almost hit that red truck.
No, the red truck almost hit me! I was coming, and e didn't stop in the spot where we could pass comfortably...so I was all the way up on the curb there.
the red truck stopping and then moving is what caused most of the trouble...
red truck stopped, looked like he was going to wait.....then pulled into the middle and took off.....
are you seriously saying that both cars should have stopped and then moved?
That red truck was weird. Kain, yes, thats how it should of gone down.
It must be nerve racking for the train engineer to have to go through those residential neighborhoods.
What's even worse is they have that memory for ever that they hit someone
Yes, absolutely, I think we need to teach our children that train engineers do more than blow a whistle.
+shlisa shell yes and then the future drivers will know what happened to their relatives who got hit and remember not to do that
If we educate the future drivers and pedestrians maybe they won't end up like the rest of these YAHOOs playing chicken with the trains and respect there space.
What I would like to know is why the railroad company is using little used out of the way tracks. This is "not" a main line nor even a semi main line. Is there some manufacturing company that has a "hojack" line going to it?
Yup it is a branch line railroad. Definitely an older narrow spot grandfathered in over the years - they don't build them like this now.
I feel no sympathy whatsoever for motorists who collide with a train. If you obey the road rules and stop when the lights are flashing, you won't get hit. It's as simple as that
At the hospital the doctors at it couldn't tell if the brain damage came before or after the collision.
On the up side, it's good news for anyone in that part of Michigan who was looking for used Lincoln Towncar parts around that time...
No kidding!
+No one got hurt, which is the most important thing, and maybe the Lincoln driver learned a lesson, as well as the fact that, all too often, adrenaline is brown...
Just an hour south of this spot today somebody got hit and killed on the CSX by a coal train...sounds like parent killed and child seriously injured.
+Thornapple River Rail Series Some people seem to think the driving laws don't apply to them. Unfortunately the laws of physics apply to EVERYONE. Sadly, these people only realise that about a second before they get turned into hamburger. Maybe more graphic means of education are required, like showing what is left when a vehicle gets taken out by a train, and I don't mean the vehicle, I mean what's left of the people inside the vehicle. I've seen it a few times and it's really not pretty...
gosportjamie I detect sarcasm in your comment
Family car? Thats an old persons car!
Car vs Train: Train ALWAYS wins. PS you should have started your pacing AFTER the stop sign.
I will nvr understand how people think they can beat a train. Your gonna pay with your life. nice video.
Can you imagine what It's like living right next to the railroad tracks with that horn blowing? I bet property values are rock bottom in those areas.
If the person driving that car cant hear a train horn, see the big orange engine or just had something so important they needed to do that they couldnt wait just a minute for it to pass then they really dont need to be driving.Highly doubt insurance is going to get him a new car, but dont think that walking would even be a safe option for that idiot. Glad he wasnt hurt but hopefully learned a good lesson.
I bet the driver in the car said "damn train cut me off. Just like that tree a month ago"
You did not stop at the stop sign sir
Accidentally...on purpose? Train on one side and nobody present...so it goes.
I was wondering why I recognized the livery, it's almost the exact same as the Australian Rail Group one (2002-2006)
You may win a race with train. But when it come blows, the train will score a first round knockout every time