I don't care much about the adjusted E-score and overall new podium result. But the fact that He Kexin's routine is consistently the hardest (of the 2008 podium) in every COP since then, and a highly competitive one against routines which were designed for their COP... And the fact she did perform it with great execution. THAT screams He Kexin supremacy imo.
These 3 routines plus Tweddle’s 4th place routine can probably still qualify EF in all major competitions in 2022-2024 Olympic cycle. They were so differently designed and exciting.
I’m not sure. The routines were so long that they had more deductions than others. I mean Nastia would NEVER score in the 8s in execution in todays code. The one shown here should’ve scored a low 7 at the absolute best
Yes. Now looking back, I did not realize that Nastia had many problems especially on the low bar. Amazing how that adjustment on the dismount by He Kexin influences the overall performance. However, we have to keep in mind that Valeri Liukin is a code master master and he would have adjusted Nastia's routine to have the highest D score. There is no way that he would have Nastia's routine valued at 6.3 while another gymnast's D score was 6.6.
Disagree, both had pretty major mistake, kexins lack of hight and bad pak angle. Nastia has the same issue, the both messed up their 1.5 piros. What really distinguished them in the dismount. Remove the dismount nastia wins for me.
even under the more lenient judging of 2008, it’s inconceivable how consistently these routines (especially Nastia’s) were getting E scores of 9.0 plus.
I would have deducted 0.2 for the first two handstands and 0.1 for pike down in yang yilin routine, so that makes it 14.200. Nastia had a 0.1 for angle on her healy IMO, and another 0.1 for the handstand in her change to reverse grip before the dismount. This would make her score 14.200 too, and Yang Yilin would win the tiebreaker because of the highest e score
In the 22-24 cop they don't deduct pak amplitude based on angle of catch anymore but height. If center of gravity (basically the hips) goes above the high bar no deductions; at high bar height -0.1; below high bar -0.3
This is the bars work I miss. While the current style is impressive, filled to the brim with releases, it’s gotten kind of old and boring for me, not having all the pirouettes🤷♀️
I loved. Thanks for this amazing video My requests: 2004 floor finals podium with feng chei. The last 6 floor golden medalist And last 6 BB golden medalist Unde new code
I request you to not make up your own execution scores, i know what u wana show but this is just not right. The code has changed completely especially for bars. So rather use the same execution score but update the difficulty
These types of videos are terribly irrelevant because we all KNOW that Valeri would never have sent his daughter into a final without the highest e-score possible.
I never understood Nastia’s scores She had leg separations on her front giants, her Pak salto was just horrible and usually over arched, her transitions from low to high were weak, her dismount was horrible as well, I think it was more because she had DECENT lines, I feel like had she been in the 2009-2012 code of points of any other after that, she would have never made it onto the podium
Her lines weren't just decent. More people would've pointed out her form issues if her lines were just decent. Her transitions from low to high weren't weak. She got plenty of height and she didn't have a dead hang.
@@bluepanther1013 agree about her lines. By weak low to high transitions I assume they meant to say they're only C, instead of the shaposh 1/2 that are common now. But she did perform them well (and definitely better than Kexin or Yilin). On high bar, both chinese are better than Nastia, same with the dismount.
Those handstands are soo bad. Also how come Li ya is only an E????!!!!! 😱😱 She literally does a half turn and catches the bar the opposite way!!!!!! Not a L-grip catch like the others. It's literally way harder Edit: It should literally be a G..
I think it's an E since a regular jaeger is a D. I would have expected an F for that code though considering that no one really did half turn releases at that time
@@poshbo I was close with the rule, Ono and Ling are considered the same skill so the second of those two in the routine would not count. Healy half and Ling half are both good for credit, yes
The routines back then were much longer because they had to count 10 skills (bearing in mind the top bar workers would never count anything less than a D skill so a lot of extra B and C skills performed wouldn't have even counted). Plus the average routine back then probably included a lot more kip-cast-handstands than an average routine today, which makes them a lot more tiring.
you missed a lot with the handstands, like the first is at least 0.1 0:50 is definitely 0.5 2:25 at least 0.1 (yeah pike saltos have the angle penalities) 2:30 0.5 3:37 0.1 and you didnt count the grips adjustment like 1:52 2:17 2:36
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I don't care much about the adjusted E-score and overall new podium result. But the fact that He Kexin's routine is consistently the hardest (of the 2008 podium) in every COP since then, and a highly competitive one against routines which were designed for their COP... And the fact she did perform it with great execution.
THAT screams He Kexin supremacy imo.
beth tweddle routine maybe harder
These 3 routines plus Tweddle’s 4th place routine can probably still qualify EF in all major competitions in 2022-2024 Olympic cycle. They were so differently designed and exciting.
I’m not sure. The routines were so long that they had more deductions than others. I mean Nastia would NEVER score in the 8s in execution in todays code. The one shown here should’ve scored a low 7 at the absolute best
Tiebreak procedure was controversial but if Nastia got the gold over He Kexin (or even if they tied tbh) it would've been a highway robbery
Yes. Now looking back, I did not realize that Nastia had many problems especially on the low bar. Amazing how that adjustment on the dismount by He Kexin influences the overall performance. However, we have to keep in mind that Valeri Liukin is a code master master and he would have adjusted Nastia's routine to have the highest D score. There is no way that he would have Nastia's routine valued at 6.3 while another gymnast's D score was 6.6.
Disagree, both had pretty major mistake, kexins lack of hight and bad pak angle. Nastia has the same issue, the both messed up their 1.5 piros. What really distinguished them in the dismount. Remove the dismount nastia wins for me.
even under the more lenient judging of 2008, it’s inconceivable how consistently these routines (especially Nastia’s) were getting E scores of 9.0 plus.
I think you definitely missed some of Yang Yilin's handstand deductions but I agree with the new results overall.
You could see that Kexin's routine still worths such a high D value even today.
Can we get a champions vs champions video? Like all the gold medalists against each other in the new code? Maybe even with silver and bronze also??
Good idea
I would have deducted 0.2 for the first two handstands and 0.1 for pike down in yang yilin routine, so that makes it 14.200.
Nastia had a 0.1 for angle on her healy IMO, and another 0.1 for the handstand in her change to reverse grip before the dismount. This would make her score 14.200 too, and Yang Yilin would win the tiebreaker because of the highest e score
Definitely valid
In the 22-24 cop they don't deduct pak amplitude based on angle of catch anymore but height. If center of gravity (basically the hips) goes above the high bar no deductions; at high bar height -0.1; below high bar -0.3
Lots of deductions missed, both He and Yang have bent arms on every single cast handstand. Lots of short handstands for all three.
This is the bars work I miss. While the current style is impressive, filled to the brim with releases, it’s gotten kind of old and boring for me, not having all the pirouettes🤷♀️
I feel the opposite. I hate all those pirouettes. Half of them aren’t anywhere close to a full handstand position.
That almost dead hang He Kexin did was about .5 you know how strict they are with judging
a dead hang os 0.5 but that was not a dead hang since she was able to kip out of it.
I loved. Thanks for this amazing video
My requests:
2004 floor finals podium with feng chei.
The last 6 floor golden medalist
And last 6 BB golden medalist
Unde new code
cheng fei btw, in chinese, last names are first.
I love you for this and all you do…more please
Sure
I waited so much for this! Thank you
I request you to not make up your own execution scores, i know what u wana show but this is just not right. The code has changed completely especially for bars. So rather use the same execution score but update the difficulty
you missed a lot of handstand deductions and bent arms on catches
These types of videos are terribly irrelevant because we all KNOW that Valeri would never have sent his daughter into a final without the highest e-score possible.
you meant d-score?
not true for 2011 2012 tho, she was not in the right shape anymore
You missed some handstand deductions and grip adjustment deductions for Yang Yilin
I never understood Nastia’s scores
She had leg separations on her front giants, her Pak salto was just horrible and usually over arched, her transitions from low to high were weak, her dismount was horrible as well, I think it was more because she had DECENT lines, I feel like had she been in the 2009-2012 code of points of any other after that, she would have never made it onto the podium
never making it onto the podium is a stretch imo i think she could still medal
Her lines weren't just decent. More people would've pointed out her form issues if her lines were just decent. Her transitions from low to high weren't weak. She got plenty of height and she didn't have a dead hang.
@@bluepanther1013 agree about her lines. By weak low to high transitions I assume they meant to say they're only C, instead of the shaposh 1/2 that are common now. But she did perform them well (and definitely better than Kexin or Yilin). On high bar, both chinese are better than Nastia, same with the dismount.
WRONG
Wouldn't Nastia's pirouette combo get .5?
Not with the L-Grip Endo. Without the L-Grip Endo then yes
Great video but you missed when they all adjusted in the handstand or etc. moving your hands -.1.
Great video
agreed
true
@@davidgymnastics12 I think they evaluated that very well
Those handstands are soo bad. Also how come Li ya is only an E????!!!!! 😱😱 She literally does a half turn and catches the bar the opposite way!!!!!! Not a L-grip catch like the others. It's literally way harder
Edit: It should literally be a G..
She doesn't catch the bar the opposite way. She still catches in L-grip/mixed grip. She just starts turning earlier than others.
I think it's an E since a regular jaeger is a D. I would have expected an F for that code though considering that no one really did half turn releases at that time
You can only count 2 of Healy, Ling, and Ono for DV
Agreed, Yang Yilin first does the Ono and Healy, so her Ling would not count. Her Healy 1/2 and Ling 1/2 would count though
@@poshbo I was close with the rule, Ono and Ling are considered the same skill so the second of those two in the routine would not count. Healy half and Ling half are both good for credit, yes
@@TheGymSavant yes, that's why I said I agree with you
@@poshbo I was just correcting myself :)
They are all amazing to me🎉
How would this compare to our current Medalists from 2021?
These were marathon bars routines before they reduced the number of counted elements.
How come u never make videos of what recent routine would score under OLD code of points???
You can’t count the Ono half as it falls in the same box in COP as the Ono
👍👍
The d score calculation on these is incorrect.
All of those routines just looked SO labored. Maybe it’s all the pirouettes?
The routines back then were much longer because they had to count 10 skills (bearing in mind the top bar workers would never count anything less than a D skill so a lot of extra B and C skills performed wouldn't have even counted). Plus the average routine back then probably included a lot more kip-cast-handstands than an average routine today, which makes them a lot more tiring.
you missed a lot with the handstands, like the first is at least 0.1
0:50 is definitely 0.5
2:25 at least 0.1 (yeah pike saltos have the angle penalities)
2:30 0.5
3:37 0.1
and you didnt count the grips adjustment like 1:52
2:17
2:36
Yang yilin was robbed
NO
It’s 2022-2024
Wait, the straddle jaeger and layout jaeger are from the same root so the layout jaeger shouldn't get credited
No - this is only for Tkatchevs.
"Gienger" (not "Geinger"). It's a German name: "Eberhard Gienger".
Not sure what the 2 adjustment deductions are for in He’s routine
Dead hangs. You can see that He has to muscle her way up to handstand.
He kexin def deserved it if nastia didn’t fuck up on that pak to half piro maybe she could’ve won
Well… kexin also fucked up her pirouette at the end fully, and her toe shoot is really low. Overall they are similar routines.
I’m sorry Yang did the best to me… best routine in my opinion… I know it doesn’t mean much
And know the numbers say other wize but I still think nastia was better