How do they not care about the customer if they let EVERYONE know that they were planning on being bad? The people that went to Sixer games during this process were either die-hard fans of the organization or going to see another team play. Fans knew exactly what they were getting out of Philly, there was no hidden agenda
Steve Moore amen dude. Loyal philly fans still went during the low years. Cheap tickets to watch a player on an opposing team you enjoy. They werent masking their plan, and we all approved of it cuz we seen the big picture. Its all rolling around now :)
What kind of question is that Mollywood. Stephen A will never trust the process. They could win a championship this year and he would still not trust the process
He keeps talking about losing while charging fans like they're trying to win but the tickets during the tank years were dirt cheap. The bottom line is that we wouldn't have the young talent that we have or the cap space that we have if it wasn't for the process. Now instead of fighting for the 8th seed every year we have a chance to seriously compete. To me it was soooooooooooooo worth it
deharleyva yes compete, maybe you haven't paid attention but we're an Eric Gordon buzzer beater away from a 7 game winning streak. We've been in just about every game this year. Embiid is healthy and if he can play 60-70 games a year we'll be fine. Way better off than we were after the Bynum debacle
Right, there was literally a week in 2015 where you could've gotten a ticket in the nosebleeds for a nickel. A NICKEL. that means a homeless dude could've found a quarter and brought in 4 of his homeless friends to an NBA GAME. but nope, sas stay on this bullshit lmao
For real man. People don't realize how much that Bynum trade fucked us. Lost all our draft picks and young talent for a guy who never played for us. That is literally the sole reason we needed to start the process, we had no assets left .
Robbie Kisby exactly, we were mediocre and going nowhere at the time. People want to say we're rebuilding the wrong way but won't come up with an alternate plan that would have us in a better position than we are in now
They never added veterans to the squad and management clearly didn’t know what it was doing. Trading away Carter-Williams, Holliday, and Noel? C’mon man.
lol Embiid is the main star of this team along with Ben Simmons. If Embiid can't stay healthy then all you'll have is Ben Simmons and Fultz, who isn't a sure thing.
Jross2298 And Fultz's injury I think was an injury that happened before preseason even and it was atrociously mishandled by his agent and the medical staff for the Sixers, so it was just made worse by him playing on it. So he might not even count.
The real products of the process are guys like Covington and McConnell. Guys that are legit nba players that without “the process” would be playing rec ball somewhere
Paras hit this kind of talent always attracts more talent. Blake Griffin did it and got cp3, James harden did it and got Dwight Howard. Trust the process👌
Majority of Philly fans: we're fine with the process I'm a Knicks fan, but Stephen A is misjudging those Philly "paying customers." Most of the Philly fans LIKED tanking multiple seasons because they believed in the long term strategy
Jay Jones Philly fans are the most retarded fans in the country. 0 Chance this process will result in even just 1 championship. Fuck the process. Fuck Hinkey.
Stephen A Smith doesn't know what he's talking about. Im from Philly. They told us the plan before it happened. Most people in the city were for it. Thats why Hinkie still gets love in the city. SAS is clueless on this one.
Valeri Marinov nah dude lakers had too much pride to fully go into tank mode , chill out these cats been tanking for like 8 seasons bro . It’s no comeback logic for that , stop it !
Okafor is Eddy Curry 2.0. He lacks the mobility to defend in space, he lacks the athleticism/instincts/I.Q. to protect the rim, he has awful positioning when it comes to rebounding, and - above all else - his effort level is pathetic. He has no trade value in today's NBA.
The only team okafor could really fit on is the spurs. I would love to see him on the spurs. Maybe the celtics. Other than that, I don't know where else he could go.
I used to like Stephen A. Smith but he's been saying some pretty stupid stuff lately. "Losing on purpose for years".... okay maybe we did. But look at us now. We're a fun team to watch, we have great players and most importantly, we're winning! In this case, I think the end justifies the means. Max Kellerman's the only one up there who has some sense.
Remy Pearson he’s right, it is terrible for sports. Why should you be allowed to lose games on purpose? That takes the out the whole point of competition. Just imagine being a fan, paying money to watch a team tank games.
Steve Gerrard I see your point man. & I don't have to imagine going to the games, I actually went. But imagine if we won a few more games because we really tried. Where would the Sixers be now? They would probably still be a mediocre team... not even making the playoffs. But instead, we tanked, and now we're a good team. In my opinion, we'll even make the playoffs this year. So in hindsight, I'm glad we tanked for those 3 or 4 years because now we're a waaaay better team than we would've been if we had not gotten those draft picks due to us losing. As a fan, I can say yeah we suffered, but there was light at the end of the tunnel. And we've reached the end baby. Definitely worth it.
Remy Pearson I respect it.. But if y'all don't do nothing big in the next couple of seasons then y'all tank for no reason and just give your fans base something to not look forward to.. You could also trade and pick up free agents but iguess tanking was the best way.
deharleyva numerous picks. He taught the league to tank properly. It's about the future. Their future begins this season. Sit back and watch this team dominate.
People are so silly. The NBA incentivises losing! Smaller franchises that don't find a hidden gem late in the draft will never be able to attract or keep star players like teams like the Lakers. The best way for these teams to succeed is to lose and the best players in the draft are most likely at the top. So what they are doing is logical? Rather than spending 10 years in Limbo of not making playoffs and not getting high draft picks. Because tbh the majority of good that has come from those positions have been complete luck.
But nobody cares about baseball so no whining. Plus, everyone loves to hate on Philly teams. Just look at the Eagles hate week after week. People still out here saying Wentz nowhere as good as Dak. 😂😂😂😂
magic only came in this season, so the lakers stopped tanking the same year the 76ers did. The lakers didnt admit to tanking or they wouldnt waste capspace on washed up bums like mozgov, hibbert, deng. They do look ok so far this season though esp Kuzma.
Im hoping u do improve but not 2 much, cause i want my 76ers to get that unprotected 1st round pick from the hopeless kings in 2 years and not the lakers pick next year ( if its between 2-5 the celtics get it.)lol
Oh and Stephen A. saying that Cowboys "are accident waiting to happen" is not stupid...why other crappy teams aren't "trusting the process",as stupid as it might seems its good!
can we be real here? hinkie made like 1 trade with jrue holiday. so ppl that are bitching about the process, u really want to win 21 games instead of 15 games? he flipped some other deals to get saric. like, what was so bad about what hinkie did.... you make the best business decision for your team, plain and simple.
The Sixers could become the Celtics of the 60s, Lakers of the 1980s, Bulls of the 1990s, Spurs of the 2000s or the present-day Warriors and Stephen A. Smith would still be bashing them . He's the type of person who will never admit it when he's wrong.
What is up Steven A. Smith these days?? Something is definitely different with him. His body language is off. His delivery is way off. He looks pissed off when Max gives his thoughts on whatever topic they’re debating. Ever since J.R. Smith checked him on social media a little bit ago, it seems like he’s been on his period ever since. ESPN should think about giving Molly & Max a raise for dealing with S.A.S.’s three T’s. (3-T’s - Teenage Temper Tantrum)
So proud to see an African specially a Cameroonian being a subject in First Take at @espn. Joel Embiid we trust you. We trust the process. Keep working lil bro #ThisIsWhyWePlay...From Cameroon
Hater? Lul...I just stated facts and now they`re 6-5. The process will only prove if it was worth if they can get deep playoff runs. And i really hate people who loses on purpose.
Thank you Max for defending the Process. I down voted the video because of Stephen A's take, which is atrocious. Stephen A, this paying customer was fed up with years of mediocrity and was thrilled to have a front office with a plan in place to rise to the top.
Travler Simpon how about having 2 or 3 potential franchise players and lots of talented young role players? In just a 4 year rebuild that's an accomplishment, and if they make the playoffs this year thats icing on the cake.
Atiba Gaskin did they force you to buy the tickets? That’s on you if you willingly paid for a product that they told you would be bad. Even then you still had the chance to see some exciting games even though the Sixers didn’t win. I’m not with Stephen A. He is WRONG
Paris. They didn't force me to buy tickets they also said they wasn't tanking they also said this is the year when they grabbed Jahlil Okafor. Tanking just to get high picks 4 so many years is not a process you want to trust in. They where simply waiting 4 one of their picks was good enough to bring people back to the stadium.
Paris. How many 1st round picks they traded out of those years when they said trust the process? It was a BS scheme to keep the fans at bay while they was horrible to watch.
SAS is a goldmine because before I stumbled upon him and Skip Bayless, I couldn't find media commentators (in any industry) that so consistently allowed me to teach my students how the flaws of confirmation bias can lead to near zero critical thought. (i.e. Lakers: 64 wins over 3 yrs, Sixers: 57 wins over 3 yrs, but no other team in the NBA lost so much for years to gather top draft picks, according to SAS "facts". It's a gift that keeps on giving when it comes to examples of confirmation bias and a lack of critical thinking skills!)
Okafor averaged 18 points his first season in the nba. I'm sorry but this guy is no scrub idk why 76ers gotta treat em like that. This man can be big time too. He's better than julius randle tbh
I understand Stephen A was being dramatic but I agree overall...like I get they’re good now but there’s a serious problem in the NBA if losing is encouraged, tanking should not be a thing
Last night okafor played 3 minutes. In those 3 minutes he got 3 personal fouls, was responsible for 2 turnovers and had a missed shot. I am so happy he is about to be traded bc he is the most 1 dimensional player in the nba
Celtics Talk I️ think Fultz will be a great player. I️ feel Tatum will be the best out of this class though his mix of skill, size, and athleticism really was underrated in the draft cycle.
Mufasa Christ yea I think Tatum will be the best player too (a little biased). But I do want to see Fultz healthy because it isn’t fair for me to say he wont be a star
I ain’t no NBA scout but I got a bad feeling about Fultz. I feel like he’s gonna be one of those #1 picks who underperforms. Hope I’m wrong though. I got nothing against him.
The Sixers have 5-7 years to win a chip. If they don't do that, the "trust the process" crap needs to be banned and Sam Hinkie should be banned from the NBA.
Does SAS even pay attention to whats going on in Philly? Not adding Vets to the squad? This past summer they added 2 good pieces in Amir Johnson & JJ Reddick.
The Lakers should Trade for Okafor if the 76er Organization thinks Okafor has no value, so Magic Johnson go after Okafor and Trade Luol Deng since he wants out of LA anyway and throw in a draft or just Deng, make it happen
ZSPN the 76ers screwed okafor over by even drafting him and the incidents in his rookie year gave them fuel to the fire the notion that he can't do nothing but score in the low post is bullshit has a decent face up game
Sixers fanbase is so hypocritical. They burn Hinkie's effigy and get him fired, makes him out to be the destroyer of their franchise and then scream "Trust the Process" when his strategy gets them out of the lottery...
Philly fans were loyal throughout. If the fans had a problem with the process, they would definitely let it be heard. Especially in Philadelphia. Being a Sixers fan myself, it was not about going to games and thinking they were going to win every single game. It was about seeing my favorite team regardless of who was on the court.
What SAS doesnt get is that a lot of the “paying customers” in philly were in support of the process hinke started. Had philly not understood and not liked the plan, SAS’s argument would make sense. But here in philly, we all knew the day we traded Jrue that yes our next 4 years will be shitty but thats all for the hope of greatness and were 1000% with that process. #TTP
LOL, don't kid yourself, the Knicks are curse... ever since the game 7 during the finals vs the Rockets... when Ewing went for the open finger roll instead of a dunk.
i just became a 76ers fan this year because they got my favorite play JJ so i didnt have to watch through the rebuild and the tanking i just get to reap the benefits
If SAS wants facts then lets provide facts. The 76ers were a playoff team in 2011 and 2012 and realized that they weren't going to compete for a title so why push for the playoffs. 5 years later and they have a young team that is going to give the league hell. The Lakers followed the same strategy but they didn't publicize it like the 76ers. SAS must have forgot that the Lakers have picked 2nd for 3 straight drafts and 7th the other draft. His favorite team the Knicks are the ones who haven't figured out how to lose with a purpose. Maybe your anger and aggression towards the process should be aimed at the Knicks because they don't have one while the 76ers and Lakers are building for the future with a purpose.
I agree max's take on colangelo. Didn't get much on Noel (should have traded him way sooner), traded their pick and a future first rounder for Fultz (jury still out on him) and Okafor still on the roster (trade value at all-time low).
I went to my first sixer game in 2015 against the hawks near courtside for dirt cheap and they won. Didnt expect them to and it would have been fun regardless. They were up front and smart about what they did. Stephen a sounds really dumb
Let a real Philadelphian break it down for Stephen A Smith. You are wrong sir. Max totally crushed you on this. Max said it like the majority of this city felt. You clearly do not have your finger on the pulse of this city like you pretend you do. I respect you dude I really do but now I question if you ever really had this city in your heart like some believe you did. The process was something we Philadelphians believed in because we saw the pieces as they were added and knew it was inevitable that this team was going to end up with the potential of being a dynasty. Stop hating Stephen because you disagree. Do what Max did and actually look at the big picture for once. The sixers dropped prices dramatically during the process and if you actually went to a sixers game during the process they made sure you had a ton of fun while you were in the arena. I'm sorry sir but Max took you to school on this and here I was told you are a basketball guy. Pfft...white boy just showed you up on bball knowledge.
SAS always hatin on Philadelphia. He talks smack about the eagles even tho they the best team in the NFC. Now he hatin on sixers for what they did to acquire the pieces.
Fuck the process man, warriors did it without tanking a lot of teams have done it. Okofor should play more to show what he got and maybe increases his value. They are ruining his potential career on the bench i mean he is healthy let his play dont tell me he doesnt play D he can learn by playing more he is young. Nobody comes in the league knowing it all Max is wrong and yall just hating SAS coz of his comments but he is right
The main thing I hate about The Process is they still charged the fans to watch them lose, the mismanagement of player health and Jahlil Okafor being punished for being big...he avg 17 and 7, has made improvements and they are toying with his development to date...the other night they put him in the game and he looked lost, his first game of the season he gave them 10/9/2blks in 22mins...then they ice him Meanwhile Al Jefferson, Derick Favors, Lopez Twins, Nurkic, Kyle O'Quinn, and many other bigs with less foot speed and coordination that Jahlil are getting minutes in the league and doing okay for their teams...He is a post scorer, he gets in the game and is pressing to show his worth as he feels he is being pushed out of the league... Saying he isn't that good is foolish...He may not be able to start on every team, but as a back up big please...we saw him against the Cavs last year exploit them over and over for not being able to guard the post...that is his strength and this year he came in better ready with fitness and effort and he is being punished for it. Negligent and overt sabotage by the Sixers and it will cost them...they are doing the same with Fultz...what other team mismanages a number one pick like this and have his career start off so shaky and terrible off an injury?? Over and over...allow Simmons to pack all this size really fast and surprise foot issue...Embiid pack all this size surprise knee/foot issues... With all that 6-4 and still room to grow into a playoff team...Fuck the Process...they fell into something that failed and eventually turned around. Now do better to grow it
I love how Stephen A hates the idea of the Process but then loves and admits the guys we got out of it are "special" and the "real deal" lmao!! So even if u don't TTP you gotta appreciate it
Both always make valid points I don’t either of them are really wrong. It’s bad for sports to tank and that’s what Stephen A doesn’t respect that they tanked but that was the process all along to get good players but with them doing that the draft has now changed with is fucked up because of the 76ers
Why do teams tank? Because teams know that Superstars win championships. How do you get Superstars? 1. Trading. 2. Free Agency. 3. Draft. 1. High Risk. You often have to give up a lot for a superstar and it's not guaranteed to work. Bad trades can destroy your team. 2. Have to spend a lot to attract the stars. Hard to do when teams can match an offer and go over the salary cap. Bad teams have a harder time attracting big names. No one wants to be on a bad team unless they're getting paid. If decent-good teams can match offers, why leave. You get your money and you get a decent team. It's not even guaranteed to work. Bad signings can destroy your team. 3. Safest option. It's a hit or miss. Best players typically go higher in the draft. You don't lose as much for bad picks compared to bad trades/free agency signings. Bad draft picks could hurt but really don't destroy you unless you put all your eggs in one basket and make bad trades. So how do we solve the tanking problem? Lower the salary cap and make it a hard cap. Force players/teams to choose between getting paid large or taking a pay cut to play with other good players. In theory, this would create more parity in the league. Smaller market teams have a better chance to improve the roster without resorting to tanking. And the haters have their reasons but the bottom line, they are scared. They are afraid because they see the Process working. The Sixers tanked and look at them now: they are one of the most exciting young teams and people believe their future is bright. Compare the Sixers to the Magic, the Hornets, or the Nets. Who do you think have a brighter future, barring injury?
Max doesnt watch basketball obviously, he just watches highlights like most lol Okafor is a good player they are jus throwing him under the bus for offcourt related issues. Put him on Cleveland or GSW and he will help them win a Championship with the 2nd Unit. When starters come out the game, Okafor is one of few players that take high percentage shots with his back to the basket (post moves), this can be used to keep leads so starters get more rest. Unlike the majority of the league where bench players just come in game and shoot Wild low percentage 3s like Swaggy P for example lol thats why teams are up by 20 and lose LEADS!!!
Well if all these great players all congregate to a couple teams you gotta find a way to someday compete. These are the rules in place and that’s how it works. The sixers would be like my Heat right now. Maybe decent but not good enough to win anything
Houston got alote of high draft choices when they were bad right so then they come to the a.l west game over so I expect them to win the division for a while they deserved that word title
What Philly has been able to do through all the terrible breaks they have had is far more impressive than what your Knicks have done. It doesn’t matter what SAS thinks, is about what the Sixers FANBASE thinks. The city has embraced the process so it’s time to let it go. Just let it go.
How do they not care about the customer if they let EVERYONE know that they were planning on being bad? The people that went to Sixer games during this process were either die-hard fans of the organization or going to see another team play.
Fans knew exactly what they were getting out of Philly, there was no hidden agenda
Steve Moore thank you and the tickets were mad cheap
Exactly bro the loyalty for our Sixers was there from all Philly teams fuck what SAS was saying
Exactly
When we had no one but MCW I just went to the $5-$20 games to see LeBron play😂😂
Steve Moore amen dude. Loyal philly fans still went during the low years. Cheap tickets to watch a player on an opposing team you enjoy. They werent masking their plan, and we all approved of it cuz we seen the big picture. Its all rolling around now :)
All this dudes does is hate now
El Nigga Max was saying the same things😂, it was a terrible 'process'
Unless it's Melo... Melo does no wrong.
El Nigga no doubt
El Nigga Nah that's Cash nasty
Hes old what u expect? Old people to be nice?
What kind of question is that Mollywood. Stephen A will never trust the process. They could win a championship this year and he would still not trust the process
Carlos Bailey But it’s working my man. That’s all that matters isn’t it?
Be serious Philadelphia ain't winning no champion this year!!! Lol😂😂😅
They decent but 76ers vs warrior in the finals...snap back to reality!
Carlos Bailey Is the organization wasting the fans money or are the fans wasting their own money?
Jeremy Hayes 😂😂 no! How many teams struggled through the rebuild and turned themselves around without the "process".
He keeps talking about losing while charging fans like they're trying to win but the tickets during the tank years were dirt cheap. The bottom line is that we wouldn't have the young talent that we have or the cap space that we have if it wasn't for the process. Now instead of fighting for the 8th seed every year we have a chance to seriously compete. To me it was soooooooooooooo worth it
deharleyva yes compete, maybe you haven't paid attention but we're an Eric Gordon buzzer beater away from a 7 game winning streak. We've been in just about every game this year. Embiid is healthy and if he can play 60-70 games a year we'll be fine. Way better off than we were after the Bynum debacle
Right, there was literally a week in 2015 where you could've gotten a ticket in the nosebleeds for a nickel. A NICKEL. that means a homeless dude could've found a quarter and brought in 4 of his homeless friends to an NBA GAME. but nope, sas stay on this bullshit lmao
For real man. People don't realize how much that Bynum trade fucked us. Lost all our draft picks and young talent for a guy who never played for us. That is literally the sole reason we needed to start the process, we had no assets left .
Robbie Kisby exactly, we were mediocre and going nowhere at the time. People want to say we're rebuilding the wrong way but won't come up with an alternate plan that would have us in a better position than we are in now
They never added veterans to the squad and management clearly didn’t know what it was doing. Trading away Carter-Williams, Holliday, and Noel? C’mon man.
We Sixers fans here in Philadelphia might as well change our name back to the Warriors because the bandwagon/fair weather fans are coming...
October's Very Own. Sixers stadium never been soldout stfu
T-Wolves Fan Since 2hours ago lmao bro it’s not called the sixer stadium
Amen!
They actually were the Philadelphia Warriors before they moved to the bay
Ong I don't wanna see any bandwagons now
SAS is so miserable nowadays he gives me depression
What are you listen to? Because, he sound reasonable to me. Don't hate just to hate.
You're soft. "GivEs Me DePreSSiOn" so many degenerate snowflakes on espn vids. You guys need to just stop being such losers
Jesus-is Lord. Lmao it was a joke... If you're that butthurt over it than you're soft bro
Max Austin I was just making a joke about his attitude recently that's it
Myco Lorgeat I would but Skip is just ridiculous sometimes
So basically SAS mad how over how people spend their money? Lmfao that’s tuff. 💀
76ers if and this is a big IF they stay healthy can be something serious in 2-3 years
Unkown Bih...."can't trust the process "
not really a big IF. Joel is the only player who you can consider “injury prone.” Ben has had one injury, and Markelle has had one injury.
lol Embiid is the main star of this team along with Ben Simmons. If Embiid can't stay healthy then all you'll have is Ben Simmons and Fultz, who isn't a sure thing.
Jross2298 And Fultz's injury I think was an injury that happened before preseason even and it was atrociously mishandled by his agent and the medical staff for the Sixers, so it was just made worse by him playing on it. So he might not even count.
😂😂😂😂😂 Stephen A you're a clown bro. Like what??? They're 6-4 dummy then said he wasn't giving emotion he was giving FACTS??? WHHHHHAAAT? 😂😂😂
He said it then and he’s saying it now and it’s true their robbing the fans..first time I’ve agreed with Mr. Stephen A
The real products of the process are guys like Covington and McConnell. Guys that are legit nba players that without “the process” would be playing rec ball somewhere
Michael Hill 😂😂😂
fr Covington got a jumper and developed during the trash years
T.J. is the best PG in the league and the most clutch💯💯
Michael Hill agree. Covington is underrated. I remember many players came and left but Covington stuck out and now he is a key part of our team
C’Mon Max nobody knew KP was going to be this good.
Kemar Ballentine apparently Phil Jackson did
He has no help and will leave New York to get a ring
Paras hit this kind of talent always attracts more talent. Blake Griffin did it and got cp3, James harden did it and got Dwight Howard. Trust the process👌
Paras hit Kp early in his career people will come to New York to play with him... He is NOT leaving New York & im an OKC fan...
Lewis Ansell u would have had Simmons bcuz KP wasn't great his first year. They might not have Fults though
Majority of Philly fans: we're fine with the process
I'm a Knicks fan, but Stephen A is misjudging those Philly "paying customers." Most of the Philly fans LIKED tanking multiple seasons because they believed in the long term strategy
Jay Jones Philly fans are the most retarded fans in the country. 0 Chance this process will result in even just 1 championship. Fuck the process. Fuck Hinkey.
Karl Ump You mad or nah😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
#HinkieDiedForOurSins
Karl Ump you're a fucking moron just like Stephen A. Smith. Leave the basketball talk to people who know what the fuck they're talking about...IDIOT
If you knew what Ad Hominem is I would accuse you of using it, but you are a simpleton, so go read a book.
I'm 100% agree with Max!
The Process is so good that can resist at many problems
TRUST THE PROCESS
Stephen A Smith doesn't know what he's talking about. Im from Philly. They told us the plan before it happened. Most people in the city were for it. Thats why Hinkie still gets love in the city. SAS is clueless on this one.
So many teams did what 76ers did, including the Lakers. There are teams that are doing it right now. Sixers were the only ones open about it.
Valeri Marinov nah dude lakers had too much pride to fully go into tank mode , chill out these cats been tanking for like 8 seasons bro . It’s no comeback logic for that , stop it !
No one ever tanked that badly and fully on purpose.
okafor is not that bad defensively...........he can get 15+8 in 30 min...why not just trade him already
Erik Lerström. Because they want a high draft pick for him lmaooo
Okafor is Eddy Curry 2.0. He lacks the mobility to defend in space, he lacks the athleticism/instincts/I.Q. to protect the rim, he has awful positioning when it comes to rebounding, and - above all else - his effort level is pathetic. He has no trade value in today's NBA.
The only team okafor could really fit on is the spurs. I would love to see him on the spurs. Maybe the celtics. Other than that, I don't know where else he could go.
the wizards will get him
Offensively Okafor reminds me of Tim Duncan. Spurs should trade for him
I used to like Stephen A. Smith but he's been saying some pretty stupid stuff lately. "Losing on purpose for years".... okay maybe we did. But look at us now. We're a fun team to watch, we have great players and most importantly, we're winning! In this case, I think the end justifies the means. Max Kellerman's the only one up there who has some sense.
Remy Pearson he’s right, it is terrible for sports. Why should you be allowed to lose games on purpose? That takes the out the whole point of competition. Just imagine being a fan, paying money to watch a team tank games.
Remy Pearson so your willing to pay full price for a ticket to the game when y'all just gonna lose anyways?
Steve Gerrard that's what i saying why even watch or claim that team
Steve Gerrard I see your point man. & I don't have to imagine going to the games, I actually went. But imagine if we won a few more games because we really tried. Where would the Sixers be now? They would probably still be a mediocre team... not even making the playoffs. But instead, we tanked, and now we're a good team. In my opinion, we'll even make the playoffs this year. So in hindsight, I'm glad we tanked for those 3 or 4 years because now we're a waaaay better team than we would've been if we had not gotten those draft picks due to us losing. As a fan, I can say yeah we suffered, but there was light at the end of the tunnel. And we've reached the end baby. Definitely worth it.
Remy Pearson I respect it.. But if y'all don't do nothing big in the next couple of seasons then y'all tank for no reason and just give your fans base something to not look forward to.. You could also trade and pick up free agents but iguess tanking was the best way.
I've been saying for years Sam hinkie is the greatest the gm of all time.
deharleyva numerous picks. He taught the league to tank properly. It's about the future. Their future begins this season. Sit back and watch this team dominate.
deharleyva embiid isn't hurt and Simmons is a generational talent
Chriss Cross He can never be the greatest as long as Danny Ainge exists. Look at what he's done with the Celtics... he's a master.
Chris Cross Danny Ainge bruh
Chris Cross yea tanking to him was a breeze 😂😂😂
People are so silly. The NBA incentivises losing! Smaller franchises that don't find a hidden gem late in the draft will never be able to attract or keep star players like teams like the Lakers. The best way for these teams to succeed is to lose and the best players in the draft are most likely at the top. So what they are doing is logical? Rather than spending 10 years in Limbo of not making playoffs and not getting high draft picks. Because tbh the majority of good that has come from those positions have been complete luck.
The Astros did it and it worked out.
But nobody cares about baseball so no whining. Plus, everyone loves to hate on Philly teams. Just look at the Eagles hate week after week. People still out here saying Wentz nowhere as good as Dak. 😂😂😂😂
SAS hasn't looked happy since Skip left, esp nowadays.
the lakers have picked 6,2,2,2 since the 76ers started the process. there just as bad sas they just dont admit it.
No, the Lakers admitted it (there was an entire regime change), they just didn't have a good tagline like Trust the Process"
magic only came in this season, so the lakers stopped tanking the same year the 76ers did. The lakers didnt admit to tanking or they wouldnt waste capspace on washed up bums like mozgov, hibbert, deng. They do look ok so far this season though esp Kuzma.
Craig Thotnton I was actually talking about the Buss children drama. You made good points though. I'm just glad the team is starting to come around.
Im hoping u do improve but not 2 much, cause i want my 76ers to get that unprotected 1st round pick from the hopeless kings in 2 years and not the lakers pick next year ( if its between 2-5 the celtics get it.)lol
Oh and Stephen A. saying that Cowboys "are accident waiting to happen" is not stupid...why other crappy teams aren't "trusting the process",as stupid as it might seems its good!
Stephen A. gets mad whenever his point gets shit on. "Giving facts"... my ass. He only ever gives emotion.
can we be real here? hinkie made like 1 trade with jrue holiday. so ppl that are bitching about the process, u really want to win 21 games instead of 15 games? he flipped some other deals to get saric. like, what was so bad about what hinkie did.... you make the best business decision for your team, plain and simple.
Steven A gotta realize that Philadelphia fans are loyal
The Sixers could become the Celtics of the 60s, Lakers of the 1980s, Bulls of the 1990s, Spurs of the 2000s or the present-day Warriors and Stephen A. Smith would still be bashing them . He's the type of person who will never admit it when he's wrong.
What is up Steven A. Smith these days?? Something is definitely different with him. His body language is off. His delivery is way off. He looks pissed off when Max gives his thoughts on whatever topic they’re debating. Ever since J.R. Smith checked him on social media a little bit ago, it seems like he’s been on his period ever since. ESPN should think about giving Molly & Max a raise for dealing with S.A.S.’s three T’s.
(3-T’s - Teenage Temper Tantrum)
You have no idea how long I've been waiting on this lmao
Steven A smith a Hater smh.
Max is right you take a stepback to take 5 steps forward
Good point
So proud to see an African specially a Cameroonian being a subject in First Take at @espn. Joel Embiid we trust you. We trust the process. Keep working lil bro #ThisIsWhyWePlay...From Cameroon
Aren’t these guys so called „sports experts“ ?
Once Fultz and the team get that chemistry it's LIGHTS OUT !!
theyre winning now
6-4 isn`t that much too be proud about it.
Tiago Almeida hater. Dude where did we start at? The fact that we are winning now speaks volumes
Hater? Lul...I just stated facts and now they`re 6-5. The process will only prove if it was worth if they can get deep playoff runs. And i really hate people who loses on purpose.
50 wins
Thank you Max for defending the Process. I down voted the video because of Stephen A's take, which is atrocious. Stephen A, this paying customer was fed up with years of mediocrity and was thrilled to have a front office with a plan in place to rise to the top.
and the sixers are 6-4.. it worked... and SAS still slamming them
StraightButGay After years of being one of the worst teams in basketball history, going 6-4 should not be an accomplishment.
Travler Simpon how about having 2 or 3 potential franchise players and lots of talented young role players? In just a 4 year rebuild that's an accomplishment, and if they make the playoffs this year thats icing on the cake.
it is in this generation! hilarious
How bout the fact they drafted Simmons and embiid both generational front court players
We haven't had a winning record in a couple years
Max at the end is so nonchalant. Priceless
I'm with Steven A. U don't lose on purpose & still charge fans to come watch it. I want my money back or half off on season tickets for 4yrs
Atiba Gaskin did they force you to buy the tickets? That’s on you if you willingly paid for a product that they told you would be bad. Even then you still had the chance to see some exciting games even though the Sixers didn’t win. I’m not with Stephen A. He is WRONG
Paris. They didn't force me to buy tickets they also said they wasn't tanking they also said this is the year when they grabbed Jahlil Okafor. Tanking just to get high picks 4 so many years is not a process you want to trust in. They where simply waiting 4 one of their picks was good enough to bring people back to the stadium.
Paris. How many 1st round picks they traded out of those years when they said trust the process? It was a BS scheme to keep the fans at bay while they was horrible to watch.
Atiba Gaskin You obviously not from Philly💀💀💀
You're a Sixers fan? And paid to see games? Why do I doubt that?
SAS is a goldmine because before I stumbled upon him and Skip Bayless, I couldn't find media commentators (in any industry) that so consistently allowed me to teach my students how the flaws of confirmation bias can lead to near zero critical thought. (i.e. Lakers: 64 wins over 3 yrs, Sixers: 57 wins over 3 yrs, but no other team in the NBA lost so much for years to gather top draft picks, according to SAS "facts". It's a gift that keeps on giving when it comes to examples of confirmation bias and a lack of critical thinking skills!)
Trust the process - 76ers fans in 2030
Okafor averaged 18 points his first season in the nba. I'm sorry but this guy is no scrub idk why 76ers gotta treat em like that. This man can be big time too. He's better than julius randle tbh
I like Max
I understand Stephen A was being dramatic but I agree overall...like I get they’re good now but there’s a serious problem in the NBA if losing is encouraged, tanking should not be a thing
Trust the injury report
Last night okafor played 3 minutes. In those 3 minutes he got 3 personal fouls, was responsible for 2 turnovers and had a missed shot. I am so happy he is about to be traded bc he is the most 1 dimensional player in the nba
Fultz lowkey gonna be average
Celtics Talk I️ think Fultz will be a great player. I️ feel Tatum will be the best out of this class though his mix of skill, size, and athleticism really was underrated in the draft cycle.
Mufasa Christ yea I think Tatum will be the best player too (a little biased). But I do want to see Fultz healthy because it isn’t fair for me to say he wont be a star
Facts, sad to say cause i like fultz
How is he going to be average? Have you seen him play at 100% yet this season?
I ain’t no NBA scout but I got a bad feeling about Fultz. I feel like he’s gonna be one of those #1 picks who underperforms. Hope I’m wrong though. I got nothing against him.
The Sixers have 5-7 years to win a chip. If they don't do that, the "trust the process" crap needs to be banned and Sam Hinkie should be banned from the NBA.
5-7 years????????????? Man please, that's too long. They are done. I'm so tired of this dumb process crap. Scam Hinkie scammed the sixers fanbase.
I trust the SAS!
Does SAS even pay attention to whats going on in Philly? Not adding Vets to the squad? This past summer they added 2 good pieces in Amir Johnson & JJ Reddick.
Damon Godbolt Amir is historically ass cheeks. I did like the reddick pickup though
The Lakers should Trade for Okafor if the 76er Organization thinks Okafor has no value, so Magic Johnson go after Okafor and Trade Luol Deng since he wants out of LA anyway and throw in a draft or just Deng, make it happen
ZSPN nope sixers aren't stupid
Lol this isn't 2k, Lakers are in a tough spot, I'm curious to see how magic and pelinka deal with this contract.
ZSPN the 76ers screwed okafor over by even drafting him and the incidents in his rookie year gave them fuel to the fire the notion that he can't do nothing but score in the low post is bullshit has a decent face up game
ZSPN nobody want deng
ZSPN I wouldn't trade okafor for Deng. I would trade Jah for JC though
Sixers fanbase is so hypocritical. They burn Hinkie's effigy and get him fired, makes him out to be the destroyer of their franchise and then scream "Trust the Process" when his strategy gets them out of the lottery...
The process isn't even working lol The dumb process is the silliest thing in all of sports.
LMAO MAX WON THAT ONE
Philly fans were loyal throughout. If the fans had a problem with the process, they would definitely let it be heard. Especially in Philadelphia. Being a Sixers fan myself, it was not about going to games and thinking they were going to win every single game. It was about seeing my favorite team regardless of who was on the court.
markelle will be a bust
'I'm not giving you emotion' yelled the man who was literally shaking trying to make a point
Stephan A Smith is terrible getting played out
What SAS doesnt get is that a lot of the “paying customers” in philly were in support of the process hinke started. Had philly not understood and not liked the plan, SAS’s argument would make sense. But here in philly, we all knew the day we traded Jrue that yes our next 4 years will be shitty but thats all for the hope of greatness and were 1000% with that process. #TTP
Fuck mediocrity
Let's talk about the knicks
nice try en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knickerbockers_(clothing)
With Melo gone it's finally winning.
COco Yo yo no, until Dolan sells the team, we can get a championship
LOL, don't kid yourself, the Knicks are curse... ever since the game 7 during the finals vs the Rockets... when Ewing went for the open finger roll instead of a dunk.
i just became a 76ers fan this year because they got my favorite play JJ so i didnt have to watch through the rebuild and the tanking i just get to reap the benefits
Celtics > Process
Erik Lerström true
Celtics Talk not that much of an accomplishment 😂
Travler Simpon lmao they've been had that accomplishment of being better than the sixers. Like, way back when the sixers were created.
Celtics benefited from the worst trade in the modern nba.
Whatever big3 team brian scalabrinie plays for>entire nba
Max was so calm while SAS is hurt about the process. 😂😭
Ben Simmons will never have a jump shot (3 pt). He is so dominate in the paint and great passer. He just doesn’t need a jump shot
Celtics Talk he's 21 stop acting stupid Ben Simmons will develop his jump shot and 3 point shot sooner or later.
Ben Simmons in two years will be better then anybody on the celtics
Celtics Talk right look at how LeBron was he didn't have a great shot either but still the one of the Best players in the NBA
Fernando Giove 5 years
Ai Youngboy not acting stupid. I’m saying he doesn’t need a respectable 3 bc he can just get in the paint easily
If SAS wants facts then lets provide facts. The 76ers were a playoff team in 2011 and 2012 and realized that they weren't going to compete for a title so why push for the playoffs. 5 years later and they have a young team that is going to give the league hell. The Lakers followed the same strategy but they didn't publicize it like the 76ers. SAS must have forgot that the Lakers have picked 2nd for 3 straight drafts and 7th the other draft. His favorite team the Knicks are the ones who haven't figured out how to lose with a purpose.
Maybe your anger and aggression towards the process should be aimed at the Knicks because they don't have one while the 76ers and Lakers are building for the future with a purpose.
Wesley Smith preach my man
I just want to ask why no one on this show speak about Jokic?...
I agree max's take on colangelo. Didn't get much on Noel (should have traded him way sooner), traded their pick and a future first rounder for Fultz (jury still out on him) and Okafor still on the roster (trade value at all-time low).
I went to my first sixer game in 2015 against the hawks near courtside for dirt cheap and they won. Didnt expect them to and it would have been fun regardless. They were up front and smart about what they did. Stephen a sounds really dumb
Let a real Philadelphian break it down for Stephen A Smith. You are wrong sir. Max totally crushed you on this. Max said it like the majority of this city felt. You clearly do not have your finger on the pulse of this city like you pretend you do. I respect you dude I really do but now I question if you ever really had this city in your heart like some believe you did. The process was something we Philadelphians believed in because we saw the pieces as they were added and knew it was inevitable that this team was going to end up with the potential of being a dynasty. Stop hating Stephen because you disagree. Do what Max did and actually look at the big picture for once. The sixers dropped prices dramatically during the process and if you actually went to a sixers game during the process they made sure you had a ton of fun while you were in the arena. I'm sorry sir but Max took you to school on this and here I was told you are a basketball guy. Pfft...white boy just showed you up on bball knowledge.
SAS always hatin on Philadelphia. He talks smack about the eagles even tho they the best team in the NFC. Now he hatin on sixers for what they did to acquire the pieces.
“Are you starting to trust the process?...”
Stephen A : “Hell no”
And Ben simmons still has no jump shot lmao
"Im not giving you emotion im giving you facts" ....proceeds to yell for the next few minutes.
Fuck the process man, warriors did it without tanking a lot of teams have done it. Okofor should play more to show what he got and maybe increases his value. They are ruining his potential career on the bench i mean he is healthy let his play dont tell me he doesnt play D he can learn by playing more he is young. Nobody comes in the league knowing it all Max is wrong and yall just hating SAS coz of his comments but he is right
Lol you definitely did not tank to get curry klay or draymond
John Morrison nope warriors did not tank green was like a 2nd round pick number 35, curry was 7 klay was 11 wtf are you talking about
Going 7 overall is not good, and neither is 11
Sixers still ain’t making the playoffs, Simmons ain’t keeping his play up for much longer
Julio El Chavez he's gonna get better! And the East is weak can definitely make the 6-8 spot
The east is horrible of course the 76ers making the playoffs don't be silly.
I’ve been here since day 1 of The Process, keep hatin SAS and watch us compete for championships in no time
Stephen a predicted the future 3 years in
those "trust the process" years ....those tickets wear cheap
like
under 6-10 dollars .....that shit was lovely
I agree with Max, people act like they don't remember how much that Bynum traded messed us up
The main thing I hate about The Process is they still charged the fans to watch them lose, the mismanagement of player health and Jahlil Okafor being punished for being big...he avg 17 and 7, has made improvements and they are toying with his development to date...the other night they put him in the game and he looked lost, his first game of the season he gave them 10/9/2blks in 22mins...then they ice him
Meanwhile Al Jefferson, Derick Favors, Lopez Twins, Nurkic, Kyle O'Quinn, and many other bigs with less foot speed and coordination that Jahlil are getting minutes in the league and doing okay for their teams...He is a post scorer, he gets in the game and is pressing to show his worth as he feels he is being pushed out of the league...
Saying he isn't that good is foolish...He may not be able to start on every team, but as a back up big please...we saw him against the Cavs last year exploit them over and over for not being able to guard the post...that is his strength and this year he came in better ready with fitness and effort and he is being punished for it.
Negligent and overt sabotage by the Sixers and it will cost them...they are doing the same with Fultz...what other team mismanages a number one pick like this and have his career start off so shaky and terrible off an injury?? Over and over...allow Simmons to pack all this size really fast and surprise foot issue...Embiid pack all this size surprise knee/foot issues...
With all that 6-4 and still room to grow into a playoff team...Fuck the Process...they fell into something that failed and eventually turned around. Now do better to grow it
Trust the process, for 2023
What do you expect these NBA teams to do? Sit there and take these licks or charge up? FOH Sissy Smith.
I love how Stephen A hates the idea of the Process but then loves and admits the guys we got out of it are "special" and the "real deal" lmao!! So even if u don't TTP you gotta appreciate it
Both always make valid points I don’t either of them are really wrong. It’s bad for sports to tank and that’s what Stephen A doesn’t respect that they tanked but that was the process all along to get good players but with them doing that the draft has now changed with is fucked up because of the 76ers
"Can you imagine if they drafted Porzingis instead of Okafor?" I do, Kellerman, every single day.
Why do teams tank? Because teams know that Superstars win championships. How do you get Superstars? 1. Trading. 2. Free Agency. 3. Draft.
1. High Risk. You often have to give up a lot for a superstar and it's not guaranteed to work. Bad trades can destroy your team.
2. Have to spend a lot to attract the stars. Hard to do when teams can match an offer and go over the salary cap. Bad teams have a harder time attracting big names. No one wants to be on a bad team unless they're getting paid. If decent-good teams can match offers, why leave. You get your money and you get a decent team. It's not even guaranteed to work. Bad signings can destroy your team.
3. Safest option. It's a hit or miss. Best players typically go higher in the draft. You don't lose as much for bad picks compared to bad trades/free agency signings. Bad draft picks could hurt but really don't destroy you unless you put all your eggs in one basket and make bad trades.
So how do we solve the tanking problem? Lower the salary cap and make it a hard cap. Force players/teams to choose between getting paid large or taking a pay cut to play with other good players. In theory, this would create more parity in the league. Smaller market teams have a better chance to improve the roster without resorting to tanking.
And the haters have their reasons but the bottom line, they are scared. They are afraid because they see the Process working. The Sixers tanked and look at them now: they are one of the most exciting young teams and people believe their future is bright. Compare the Sixers to the Magic, the Hornets, or the Nets. Who do you think have a brighter future, barring injury?
Stephen is just one of those fans that expect winning seasons every year. He is one of the ones who have unrealistic expectations
Max doesnt watch basketball obviously, he just watches highlights like most lol Okafor is a good player they are jus throwing him under the bus for offcourt related issues. Put him on Cleveland or GSW and he will help them win a Championship with the 2nd Unit. When starters come out the game, Okafor is one of few players that take high percentage shots with his back to the basket (post moves), this can be used to keep leads so starters get more rest. Unlike the majority of the league where bench players just come in game and shoot Wild low percentage 3s like Swaggy P for example lol thats why teams are up by 20 and lose LEADS!!!
How much hate can be in Stephen a smiths heart honestly?
TRUST THE PROCESS. ON MY WAY TO PHILLY
Well if all these great players all congregate to a couple teams you gotta find a way to someday compete. These are the rules in place and that’s how it works. The sixers would be like my Heat right now. Maybe decent but not good enough to win anything
Ben Simmons is the next Lebron mark my words
Jahlil Okafor averaged 17.5 points and 7 rebounds while shooting 50% from the floor his ROOKIE YEAR. How can he possibly be a below average player??
Houston got alote of high draft choices when they were bad right so then they come to the a.l west game over so I expect them to win the division for a while they deserved that word title
And just wait until Fultz is 100% healthy! Philly could finally have something special here. It just sucks seeing these constant injuries.
I feel like half the stuff SAS says is just to create a topic to talk about anyways. Even if it's clearly wrong
What Philly has been able to do through all the terrible breaks they have had is far more impressive than what your Knicks have done. It doesn’t matter what SAS thinks, is about what the Sixers FANBASE thinks. The city has embraced the process so it’s time to let it go. Just let it go.
Die hard sixers fan here. I FUCKING LOVE THE PROCESS!! GO SIXERS!!
The process is working just fine!