Shifter: How to do Long Term Projects, Part One
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2020
- If you endure all twenty-plus minutes of this you deserve a cash reward. Tough love. Remember that. Tough love. I know tough love is not something readily available in the online world where the facade of ease and perfection is the norm. Long term projects are one of the most rewarding things you can do with a camera, and perhaps one of the most important. Regardless of your skill level, you too can proceed with in-depth work. (But it might not be easy.)
Let's talk ATTACHED photography projects. Long-form, long-range, long term, and how to go about doing them. Also, this is part one, and it's a long one but what else do I have to do other than record myself? As you will see, I learned the hard way about the Fuji turning off after "X" amount of time. Oops. But don't fear, I'm a tech genius and was soon back on my feet.
The photo essay, the attached variety, is critically important, at least in the photography world, and historically they have also helped shape world events. We need them today perhaps more than ever before. I will return with part two. You've chosen your project and are about to begin. Until then, just relax.
You are literally the only guy I respect on CZcams at this point....
Ptah, that is hilarious, but I'll take it. I think the key is I'm not selling something. At least not yet. YT is a very odd place. There are some real gems out there, but to your point, you have to wade through masses of people to find them.
Whilst not what I'd refer to as a documentary photographer, I am heavily into the work of Don McCullin, arguably the best conflict photographer of all time. He once said he had so much empathy for the people who always get clobbered in war, the real victims; which is the poor and working classes who don't have the Mercedes Benz and early communications so they can get out of the way fast. He relayed how, that's the position in life he'd come from, a poor, working class family in the more deprived areas of London.
His image of the shell shocked marine in Vietnam, The Albino Biafran boy, the civil war in Cyprus - really harrowing stuff.
It's been long held that people want to look away when they see his images, but he has always demanded that people don't cop out, that they face the horror.
Brilliant installation, Dan, even if I'm late to this one. Couldn't agree more, the more invested you are in a project, the deeper and more meaningful the story will be.
Unreasonable Behavior, great book.
Ok. This is teaching. High level teaching!
I endured all 20 minutes of this and came to the conclusion that the person who deserves the cash reward is you. Very much looking forward to part 2 and thank you for keeping us inspired at the lowest of moments.
I will take any and all cash payments. I feel it my civic duty.
Daniel, you are a fantastic teacher. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
"Attached projects" - that was an awesome super important point. I had not heard that before but makes total sense.
Degree of difficulty is far higher but totally worth it.
Thanks, Dan!
Good talk. You talk like I think.
I spent from 2010 to 2020 photographing people from the knees down in my small, artsy town. I finally printed 60 11x14’s and wrote a story about every one. Hung all 60 at a solo exhibition and everyone in town came and bought the photo of their legs or their friends legs or their kids legs. It rocked. I have several other long term projects going, never really heard anyone talk about it the way you do. I love the long haul.
I like that. What a twist. Just the knees down. I don't think long-term anything fits the modern online culture which is about posting as much as possible.
this dude is solid.
Brilliance ! agree on everything :)
A bit late to the game but I serendipitously stumbled onto your vids. I can’t begin to tell you how REFRESHING it is to hear you talk about tough love. We live in such a world where everyone gets so butt hurt over their perception of rejection. Of course I’m your age so perhaps our generation was the last for “not everyone’s a winner”.
Gayle, love the description of rejection. Yes, I'm used to it and impervious. I remember losing in the flag football championship in rural Indiana in the middle of late fall. Cold, muddy, double overtime. Nose bleed. Sure, the other team's coach was player his son who was two years too old for the league but that is another story.
Awesome.
Thank you very much for inspiration.
I have some short of idea which I feel and believe by watching you.
Thank you once more .
Daniel's words stays in my head for days after watching a video like this one . Every time I decide to sit down and listen to him I feel like I'm going to get distracted by my phone or something else and then he got me and I am completely focus, immersed in his wonderful topics and way of explaining it. Enjoy while exist friends ,this shit is real. Peace and respect from UK/Cuba
Hey, if I can compete with the phone I must be doing something...glad you are enjoying the process.
great video, as usual
I'm an italian photographer. I watch thousands of videos of other photographers like you because youtube gives answers to any kind of matters. Your page is the only one I subscribed in years of youtubing. Because you have the gift of saying things like my boss would. Organized and clear. My motivation is growing. Thanks very much Dan and keep it up!
Hey G, great name by the way. Glad you are finding something of value.
I really like your no BS straight talk videos. One of your earliest videos inspired me to collate, edit and print one of the projects I had in mind. I printed 3 copies alongside the loose prints of the same photos. I’m so glad I did that, because it made me realise I have to spend way more time working, shooting for that project and finally editing the heck out of all of the results.
Thank you very much for taking your time and trying to nail these ideas into our heads. 🙏 👌🤙
Yavuz,....you went to print. In two ways. That's rare. And, when you throw in what can be learned in regard to typography, page layout, etc. It's nearly endless.
I am a designer by profession (~20years), so I “sort of” understand the paper, fonts, layouts, design issues. My concern was about seeing the finished product in my hand (we used to print & make prototypes for magazines we did) and also loose prints to stick them on the wall so I can digest the project. Also, see the difference in print technologies My biggest error was not making enough research into the subject to see other similar projects.
What I realised was, although my images were enough to follow certain story line that I had in my mind it wasn’t detailed enough to make reader’s time worthwhile. It was telling a short story, but I felt that it needed a novel. ;)
Number 4 and 5 are so true.
Hey brother. You are gold. Glad I found you. Been watching all your videos for the last couple weeks. You have given me answers I've been searching for decades in my photography. I feel like I found my purpose in photography. Thanks.
Cool. Glad they gave you something you were looking for.
I just can't believe my eyes when I see ZERO dislikes under your videos.
Thank you Daniel, you are making an amazing job, that's so convenient and so inspiring. Especially for young photographers.
Thank you from Tel Aviv, Israel!
I'm sure it's a matter of time before those thumbs down are a regular part of the plan. Thanks for tuning in.
Hey Daniel, I mastered in Theology, work in the software industry and have a wife, kids, etc and recently found photography to be something I want to learn about, why? I want to tell the story of my kids (not online), in books. The way you approach storytelling + overall cultural and knowledge (inner knowledge) is really good. More than technical skills, you are giving people tools for wisdom. Wisdom is a simple word, in 2020 it is not even considered. In a fast food world, wisdom sounds boring, too complex or traditional, but it is exactly what genius have. Stay creative. Will watch part 2 now.
Wow, theology. I'm amazed I haven't burst into flames, but this is a topic I am very keen on knowing more about. And yes, wisdom for many is painfully slow and too labor intensive. Look at the mask situation in America. Too uneducated, too radicalized to just put on a mask. And now, we just destroyed the next year of our lives.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 this is just the beginning. Rome crumbles again.
There is so much truth and wisdom in this video its hard to process. I made notes, this is my guide. Thank you for this content!
Thanks amigo. Just wrapped Part Two. It's even longer....
Thank you. Excellent. As always
great content! mindblowing
Thanks Daniel a fascinating and stimulating video......can’t wait for part two - many thanks - Peter.
Hey Daniel - thanks SO much for a great video. There's absolutely nothing I would disagree with. From intent, to approach, to editing, to mentorship, to printing (actual or not!), to social media. Everything makes sense, and has been the approach I've taken since my first long-form project a few years ago. My 2-year project 'The Downs' was my first project, and really hooked me in to a fuller way of telling a story, and really is the main way I shoot now. Sure, I post single images on social media, but they are not really reflective of the long-form projects I work on. They're incredibly fulfilling. The Downs was a massive undertaking for me. It was geographically a distance from me, and I made 100s of trips up there, spent SO much money to get there (my car was even broken into there...so there's that!), walked hundreds of miles in all weathers. Exhibited the work a couple of times, took well over 7500 images, employed the experience of a couple of people to help me edit...it was all a very good experience. So, yep, very attached to the project (and approach), and love it still.
Thanks for putting the video out there for more people to consider.
Mike, that's what it takes. There are so many great photographers who have shown the way, so we have to learn from the greats and attempt to make the best work we can.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Thanks man - much love, and the videos are great!
Worth the full 20+ minutes. Thanks
Another amazing video, Daniel! Thanks for sharing it with us! Greetings from Santa Catarina Brasil
Quite simply breathtaking. Thank you.
Thank You. Pragmatic, thoughtful, practical advice on what’s really important when beginning to think about this sort of work. Very much looking forward to part two as I’m ever full of ideas and can begin the research but get stuck at the point of actually starting the work!
Daniel, Thank you. Just thank you.
Daniel, I cannot overstate the level of appreciation I have for your insights and perspective. So much head-nodding happening while watching. The value you are sharing is so much broader than photography; if we're paying attention. Already on my way to print with my first 'mini-magazine' through MagCloud with samples/proofs already in my hands. Look forward to seeing more content from you and perhaps cross paths some day. P.S. You may have already figured this out.. however, most Fuji cameras have a Tally light on front (and rear, setting in the MENU) which will remain on while recording videos - if that turns off, something went wrong.
Nope. Had no idea. I'm an idiot. Clearly. Just wrapped Part Two. Am aiming for tomorrow to release. Glad you like the films. They are fun and are now part of my job so need to keep them coming and to improve my approach.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Appreciate the frankness, probably the most. No frills and no bullshit glitz and glam.. with actual experiences to speak on.. it comes through. So much noise out there. In short, yes, thank you and keep up the good work.
Simply amazing. Your other videos were so inspiring, that I thought "This is something to digest for a long time." And now you come back with more? What can I say? Please go on, because I never get tired of these important and inspiring thoughts of yours.
Joao, I can talk all day. I don't know if that's good or bad.
Great authentic story and therefore very educative. And great spectacles too ;-)
so good. thank you.
Second time viewing to this video...this time with my wife. Wow! You two definitely speak the same language - and that ain’t bad (tough love included). Great points and, like many here, definitely looking forward to part two.
Everything is better with wife...
Really great talk, thanks. I teach something very similar but for writing: You compete not only with other writers or comics or TV, you compete with glancing into the sun and doing absolutely nothing. So your writing MUST be excellent.
That's right. We all want attention, essentially. And it's difficult to get...
Excellent Dan - Bravissimo! Keep at it because I'm ready for my next "For What iI's Worth" podcast too - I'm missing the "Trumpisms" :-)
Masai Running, wow, tell me more. Kenya? I trail run but nothing like those folks. Recording new podcast later today.
Fantastic! I always look forward to a new video from you. Your wisdom and wit keep the creative blood pumping.
I'm on a tear. Attempting part two tomorrow...
Daniel Milnor Part 2 should be equality great. I have a few abstract ideas for long-term projects. Clueless on how to begin them (topics to research on, the appropriate approach, etc.). Thanks for the free workshops!
I was worried for your mental health when I saw color at the beginning... excellent video, agree with your thinking as usual. I'm clutching to all furniture in sight just at the thought of doing such a project. I'd love to, it's on my list but it's intimidating. And I have so much to learn still.
MC, color? Me? Never. You will do it. Post pandemic perhaps. But it just takes starting. Trial by fire.
Milnor, get your heating sorted. No one should be sitting at home in a coat! Tough Love.
I love my coat. And I'm skinny. I'm always cold. So until I'm wearing no shirt, come summer, I'll be sporting my super cool jacket. The no shirt time will be awesome.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 is that your tactic to get better ratings? 😅
Daniel, this video... great... straight to the point (I f...king love that!!)... continue to feed us with some good and real photography food!! Thanks.
Looking forward the part two.
Perfect timing: Life has just sent me a sign to start a long term project that I have to do, for which I planted some seeds 6 month ago and which speaks to my heart and soul ;-)
In the meaningful photography desert on CZcams, you are an oasis... Keep on!
Take it slow. Take notes and don't share in real time. You are on your way.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 I will take my time for sure, I will do researches, I won't share it until it is finalized, I will ask for advices from mentors ;-)
Hi, just a quick message to say thanks for your videos, o think they're great. I don't do Instagram and its reassuring to hear someone talk about the importance of print and not producing work to just get likes. You knowledge regarding photography is astounding. I recently bought a book buy a photographer called Tish Murtha called the Elswick Kids, if you haven't got it I would strongly recommend it. Again many thanks, love your philosophy and approach, it's refreshing to hear some commonsense.
Thanks Wally. It's been interesting putting these things out.
"Columbo" LOL I was born in 69 so ya I'm with ya
“Take your time”. Take your time! I’m 64, I don’t have time to take my time. You think you’re going to slow down in your later years? Think again! This is why young people exercise. So they can keep up the pace in their sixties!
Oh ya. I'm 51 and I have an agenda. Everyday. Things to do and make. ..
Sage advice Dan, I am just about to retire so that I can embark on a long term (probably 2 years) project capturing my local moorland over 4 seasons on film (6x6) your advice has come at just the right time. I intend to produce a book (probably through Blurb or similar) as the culmination of my project so will heed your advice closely. BTW not looking to earn from the project just want top do it.
You will probably be happier....sounds like a good project. Take your time and enjoy...
Tough love taken. You pronounced Vegemite well but FYI Tim Tams are biscuits not cookies. Get the double coated choc ones if you get the chance.
I had NO idea. I've never had vegemite but am ordering some. Going for it. And maybe I'll put it on my biscuits.
I'm only 43, and I watched Columbo with my parents as a kid. Just saying ;-)
Columbo.... ? I pictured you more as a Tony Baretta kinda guy!😁
Baretta was awesome. Until the end.
Thanks
I'm sorry, didn't quite catch that - could you repeat it? Which point are we on again? Just kidding - excellent advice and lots of food for thought. I'll say this again. I'm a teacher and I know a natural teacher when I see one.
Let's recap! Ready, one and two and three....
I tried to get the book names/authors, some are missing
Rebecca Norris Webb
Alex webb
James Nachtwey
Paul Fusco
Gary Lee Boas
Larry Towell
David Taylor
Andrea Modica
Maggie Steber
Art Brewer
Edward Burtynsky
Donna Ferrato
Henry Horenstein
Yes, those are three. I'll try to get the rest if I get a second..
"We're not worthy!" LOL
How do you strike the balance between doing your spadework for a project idea, seeing what’s been done before and who has done it, and yet avoid just being derivative of that work?
I'm going to add this to my upcoming Q&A. It's a good question Andy.
Wait! These are color images on your wall?
Forget you saw that.....
BTW... the room looks smaller in color... hmmm
Magic...
Is eating Vegemite an insult? As an Australian I take offence. Love your work
I don't know. I still haven't had it. I keep forgetting to buy it. My guess is an acquired taste.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 been having it since birth. Salty, very salty and you only need a thin smear on your toast/bread. Don't over do it.
Do your research, how true. Even before getting a spouse (that is getting into a wedding, you know what I mean)
Oh ya. Spousal decisions should be researched with complete team and latest data.