Why Would Anyone Buy the Schecter Sunset Triad 6?
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- The Schecter Sunset Triad 6 initial impressions
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Headstock, Tuners, Nut
1:30 Issues 1 & 2
2:10 Neck & Specs
3:28 Feels like an Ormsby
4:25 Body
5:30 Tone Talk 1
7:40 Tone Talk 2
10:23 Conclusion - Hudba
I’m sorry for wearing all black with a black guitar, but as you heard in the video, I did this at 5:00am on a Saturday. I didn’t want to go back into the bedroom and wake my girl up looking for a different outfit.
Doesn't want to wake up his girl in the morning - proceeds to chug metal riffs.
@@theharlequin7280 I woke a girlfriend up one time in particular. She was rightly annoyed and this was the only time I have ever been asked to knock it off with an attitude. Even though it was after midnight and I deserved it... I still felt personally attacked. Haha.
she could have made breakfast while you were working on the video 😁
@@zoomzoom3950….hahahahaha….ouch!!!!!
really cool, great to see you playing guitar now. will we see you do that Milli Vanilli too?
heard Dillinger escape plan the first 20 seconds...stayed for the whole review. Amazing channel!
I’m going to be talking about them a lot very soon.
Brought me back to the good ‘ol days.
They're crazy!! I had a chance to to see them live and missed it 😢. I'm excited to watch this video:)
@@andrefluddplease do!
@@andrefluddwe actually cant wait
I hear very little difference between the humbucker and the triple pickup modes.
Still, part of the process of innovation is to have the balls to do something different even if you may make a mistake; you learn from that mistake and improve in your next iteration of the product. This triple pickup may not be groundbreaking, but hopefully is a step for Schecter to get closer to something good.
Unfortunately they are just following Hamer (and I thing Seymour Duncan amongst others) and I think the Ghostbusters theme was recorded on a prototype version
There's a BC Rich Gunslinger on Reverb that has the same triple pickup in the bridge, and it's been made in 1986. So yeah, not groundbreaking
Been done before
you and at least 66 other people are deaf. normally in other "this vs this" videos i can't tell much of a difference (ola englund boss hm-2 vs behringer hm300) and that is where i would expect comments like this but there's a CLEAR difference between 2 single coils and 3 lumped together
I wrote a bunch about the Dillinger Escape Plan when I was in graduate school for musicology- understanding their music is like untangling a Gordian knot. Hearing those first few notes triggers a Pavlovian mosh response in me!
Bruh you posted pseud cringe
DEP demonstrates how it takes a lot of theory knowledge to sound like you have none at all.
I think the reason Schecter makes the tip of the headstock large like that is cost effective. They make a 7-string version and it probably uses the same headstock template. Not sure whether having separate templates is more expensive, however, it requires less design effort. Either way, I’m willing to bet that Cort built that guitar.
I thought the same thing, (I agree about the cost effective headstock) but I bought the Sunset-6 Extreme version in Gray Ghost and it is made in Indonesia - but the serial prefix starts with RN which is a factory code I've never seen before.
@@tyob1 I found a Reddit thread mentioning the same thing about the serial number on the sunset extreme starting with RN. Maybe a new non-Cor-tek factory?
@@thisguy2973 I wonder if it was my thread about the crazy QC issues I went through and experience with Schecter customer service over these Sunset-6's. 😆I have no idea yet about the factory code, but I know a guy who writes for a gear website and works with Schecter pretty closely who is looking into it. *edit- I have a gut feeling its the same Indo factory that Harley Benton is using because the Sunset feels very similar to the Amarok to me.
@@tyob1 oh gross! I’m not a fan of HB at all. I’m not really a Schecter fan either. I had what appeared to be a really nice Schecter C-1 neck thru years ago that I traded my Jackson for. I could never get used to how dead it felt.
You traded in for a Jackson? Well, one of you got a nice deal, but probably not you. @@thisguy2973
I think the underrated thing that makes this quite an option is the clean tone, especially the 4th position; since the "middle single coil" is closer to the bridge it's a lot warmer and has a different tone quality than the usual 4th position of a SSS/HSS guitar
Of just use a HSS guitar and add a toggle switch option to combine the neck with one of the bridge humbucker coils. I have this on all of by HSS guitars as a toggle variant of what is usually the B/M position. Toggle down is normal B/M like a strat. Toggle up is bridge humbucker split + neck in parallel. If you make sure to use the humbucker coil that has the opposite magnetic polarity to the neck pickup then you get some level of hum canceling too.
If you've seen any SpectreSoundStudios content, a point that Glenn seems to make pretty frequently on that channel is that pickup tone characteristics matter less and less as you increase gain/distortion levels.
Given that the nature of distortion involves significant signal clipping, it makes sense that most pickups will sound pretty similar at high distortion levels, since much of the nuance and idiosyncrasies in their clean tones will be destroyed by the clipping.
He is also of the opinion that the most significant base tone shaping for high gain playing actually comes from messing around with speakers/IRs and microphones, and has some pretty cool video demonstrations of that.
I’ll have to check out more of his stuff thank you
distortion is meant to change the actual sound wave of the guitar (I.E distort the sound wave of the guitar) The point of it is your guitars not gonna sound like a guitar, actually the first distortion pedal was meant to distort your guitars sound wave into sounding like a horn
for example, distortion became popular because of the song "Cant get no satisfaction" by the rolling stones, and the reason they chose distortion was because the horn player wasn't in the studio that day, so they picked up a distortion pedal that said it was meant to imitate a horn
@@dankhill6851 I can see how that might hold water , but it actually manifested organically by playing louder music with different amps . Then ppl started modifying amps / creating effects pedals . I don't think " horns " the exact thought with it's inception , although it has the same power as a horn section .
@@whatizreality0124 look up JHS pedals show where he talks about either the history of fuzz/distortion that was actually in the advertisement that the effect was meant to imitate a horn, I understand the louder tube break up concept which indeed was the first distortion people discovered, the first pedal was the maestro fuzz pedal? it was a fuzz pedal and the different positions of the knob were meant to "Emulate other things" even though it didn't really represent the thing it was meant to be emulating very well. Anyways Josh from JHS explains it a lot better than I can, I suggest watching his history lessons they're phenomenal
Andre Fludd playing Dillinger Escape Plan is everything I've wanted in life.
:) it’s also everything I’ve ever wanted
I know the song you were playing and I've managed to play though just under half of it.
You could say it's 43% learnt.
Genius :)
There seems to be a consensus regarding Schecter’s incredible necks and beautiful fit and finish. Most of their models are also considered to be great values as well. My Nick Johnston HSS “Strat” is about as perfect as anyone could ask for. Every time I pick it up after playing my other guitars, the first thing I notice is how premium it feels. Schecter has been setting an example for the other brands for quite some time.
I’ve really been anticipating reviews of these two releases, especially the Triad. You’re the perfect person as well to really showcase these instruments I feel
Some old Hamers were set up like that. The bridge pickup(s) had a custom made pickup surround that housed a humbucker and a single coil housed within one pickup ring. Some Hamer Phantoms had two toggle switches, one was a regular three way switch that allowed you to select the humbucker, both the neck pickup and humbucker or just the neck pickup. The second switch allowed you to add the bridge single coil with the humbucker or the neck pickup but you couldn't select just the bridge mounted single coil by itself.
I was just looking at this guitar lately for all of these reasons. Glad to know about the neck dive and other specifics. Excellent review as always!
I wonder if the extra long head-stock is to accommodate the extended range versions (7 and 8 string) keeping the head style/size the same on all their models.
I never thought I’d see Dr. Fludd give a more thorough and applicable review of a metal guitar than other metal dedicated channels… but here we are. Great review!
Great vid man. Congrats on giving metal a go. Also killer spinal tap reference.
Thank you :)
You've got my sub, exactly what I look for in a review. Kept my attention the entire time and I've been fighting ADHD since 2nd grade. Well done!
Three singles in a humbucker configuration has been around for decades. It was marketed as the Motherbucker. Hamer also had a guitar with a similar set up.
Let's not pretend that it's a common thing though, because at least the last decade where I've been regularly on Reverb monitoring guitars for my collection I haven't seen a single one with that pickup configuration, at least in UK.
@@LocrianDorian GOOGLE Hamer Prototype. I have one that oddly enough I bought from the current President of Schecter when we were kids.
@@LocrianDorian ...and a real Motherbucker for sale as well.
@@LocrianDorian Right now there are a few pretty cool alvarez dana guitars on reverb with triforce pickups waiting to join your collection. One is the cool scoop model. Check em out.
You can find 60’s and 70’s Japanese guitars with all sorts of weird pickups too. Nothing really new under the sun. Yes it’s not very common but it has been done before
Would recommend schecter redesign this without top pickup. Just have the single triad and make unique switching for it. Less magnetic pull on the strings so more sustain.
Intriguing video - great work, as always!
I originally saw that 3-coil pickup as some custom '80-ish thing (still a child at the time, but at that age more is more!), intended to achieve exactly what you got: overdrive the front end of the amp, make it clip. It's known back then many times they were using modified Marshall Plexis, apparently because (from what I heard) JCM 800 were still both too expensive, and too shrill on the highs. More coils at different positions also pick more harmonics from the string, which can be beneficial or not depending on your purpose (I think for metal it makes everything too woolly, although these coils seem kind of balanced).
Good luck with your project (I feel at home with it), and keep them coming!
Thanks for the vid! I’ve been really interested in this
Schecter's are great value for the money and I'm excited to see you put this under your very thorough analysis. I love quirky guitars, but the thing with a lot of them is if you don't like it they aren't the easiest to mod--ultimately you're better off selling them on. Can't wait for more!
Subbed just because of the Dillinger Escape Plan riff in the beginning. 🤘🏻 Great video.
I appreciate you :)
Hi Andre! I really liked the sound of that triad pickup.
I think you are the only one haha.
Good video..
I like the shape, the frets being stainless, the color is awesome, and the guitar looks cool. The bridge humbucker and extra single coil is bad ass.. I love it since I play 80's metal and blues.. I would setup my amp just for that pickup and I would only switch to the other single coil in the neck for clean tones..
You're axeFx sounds awesome by the way! Just excellent thru my Sony headphones!
I love that Ornsby as well.. Very cool guitars..
Great demo sir..
Regards from south central Indiana (The heartland) USA
Tim
Great video man,the Phillip McKnight live stream bought me here,I just subscribed 😊
This is my first time seeing this channel and I love it, super weird guitar but I loved the deep dive. Subscribed!
Cleans are heavenly. The parallel sound is far superior to coil split for clean ambient tones
Dude I've watched your channel grow from the very beginning. I've seen your vids with 5k views. I've watched you grow. You can do it, man. Don't give up
Appreciate that! I’m not giving up. Tons of stuff planned for 2024.
So glad that this is the guitar to start off the Metal Experiment series; I've been waiting to see an in-depth review of this thing since it was announced!
Ive never seen this pup. thx again Mr. fludd for showing me the most bizarre guitars on the market that I might not otherwise research myself. I have a schecter myself as my only and main rig. I really like the specs, the pickup is very versatile and has great note separation and shreddability, the sustainer is also my favorite thing since my first riff I learned. The only thing ive found with schecters is that 3/3 of the ones ive had in my possession all has a bit of a problem with the high e slipping off. the first schecter I had was a reaper, and it could probably play faster than a lot of MIJ ibanezes ive played in the past. But I am forced to use standard 10s and I still have the issue where I have to be somewhat conscious of my playing to get the high e to stay on the fretboard. kind of a deal breaker for me if the problem is a little more noticeable than what I play on. As I am really into the single string yngwie licks on the high E, bending and vibrato is essential for my style also. So its problematic for me. Other than that I love the schecter I have. My schecter is a solid 7.8/10. everything is perfect other than that. My action is somewhat low, I used to play mostly legato but not on this guitar because I have the action as low as I can get and its just not the lowest Im used to playing on. So really not much legato on this guitar. I could have a luthier level the frets a little but I like being able to full step bend all the way up to the high 24th fret so my action is set up not for speed/i play fast enough, but set up for max versatility which the schecter does. reaper elite frs in blue.
Dillinger Escape Plan me thinks?
I've seen a few pickups that are three coils in one, I think it was Aria that made one in the 80s or 90s and then fender made the Pawnshop series Marauder in the 2010s. The difference between those and this is they were wired like a typical HSS guitar but with the middle single coil attached to the bridge humbucker (wired in parallel) while this Schecter wires all 3 coils in series for more output.
Ibanez had a 540P model (the Satriani, not the Skolnick one) with a triple coil as did Hamer. It appears to be an idea that comes around once or twice a generation.
Exactly, this isn't necessarily new like some seem to think
I appreciate the effort. Thanks mate.
With the selector switch diagram it looks like a HSS setup with a wierdly close bridge and middle pickup. I did expect the tripple humbucker to be a bit more (technically) interesting, although I'm curious where this technology might go. Sounds great and the dark see thru bobbins look cool.
In other videos and in my experience with playing it i noticed things got a good bit thicker sounding and on a db meter you can see the difference and it will cause clipping in your signal if you leave the settings the same between triple and humbucker on a boost. So it obviously does make some change in sound.
I dig the video & all of your videos. I’ve watched a few videos with this model guitar & I’m just not feeling the triple pickup thing. I remember Alverez doing the triple pickup thing in the 90’s & I didn’t like that one either.
Oh well…on to the next guitar.
That headstock makes me wonder if they designed it for a 7 string. I'm not a metal guy buy the 3 single coil is aesthetically cool to me. With the right paint job it could look really good.
There is a 7 string version as well
Something I have recently learned after playing since about 1984?
I used to get to play really loud a lot...now I don't and I truly believe some pickups will sound different at louder volumes.
Example: I have a great Strat with Texas Specials....I also have have an S-type with Wilkinson S-type pickups you can buy at a fraction of the price of the TS p'ups.
At bedroom volume, through multiple amps, the Wilkinsons sound better to my ear by a lot.
Once I start playing louder the difference goes away pretty quickly.
Hey Andre. I happen to be sitting here next to my Fender Modern Player Marauder, which has what Fender calls a 'triplebucker' in the bridge position. I've honesty not had much use for it. Feels a bit thin in all settings. The JM pickup in the neck is great, though, and it's a very well made instrument.
Dr. F….love your reviews 👍
Do you remember the old Kramer strikers with the three-blade pickups? Gives me that vibe. People hated the pickups because of how dark and warm they were. I loved them! Lol
I think this goes to prove Glen Fricker's point. Pickups, wood, etc are really not all that important with extremely high gain tone. Once you crank the distortion up into "metal level" it doesn't really matter what guitar you're using.
That said, you would look way more appropriate on stage with the Schecter than the gold top PRS in a metal band.
Nice. I found a First Act Custom shop bowtie shaped guitar with 6 single coils spaced evenly. They told me it was a replica of a one of a kind made for Rick Neilson of Cheap Trick. It was crazy. It had six switches to turn each p/u on/off and a row of pots, a tone and volume for each. It didn't work, they told me it needs some wiring fixes and some of the pots replaces. I would have bought it except that they wanted stupid money for it.
The Hamer prototype also had three coils at the headstock. One humbucker & one single coil played together.
Starting with 43% Burnt was crazy. Awesome choice with DEP!
You played that dillinger escape plan song at the beginning I had a mkni heart attack because it's been my alarm forever now
Great review! This one is called the schecter “gimmick” right? I’ll have to check it out.
That triad pickup would be interesting to hear with a tube preamp wherein slamming the front end is not a problem, and I must confess that I am very interested to hear it with a muff-style fuzz. Honestly, I think I am most interested it in seeing a shootout between it and a Wilde Pickups L500XL (the current incarnation of what was once the Bill Lawrence [not "Bill Lawrence USA"] L500L). I am mostly thinking out loud here, apologies if I sound like I am making demands.
My thought exactly. It might get annoying thru daw, but with a tube amp... well we need to know
The third coil should be called a mud switch. Seems to add a little boost while cutting some higher frequencies. I guess if you wanted to play a one knob amp and switch pickups to add distortion that would be cool.
Never thought I would hear you play DEP.
I miss them.
This is my first time on your channel. You’re very articulate and informative. Thank you! Subscribe!
Great look at this guitar dude, thank you! To me, it seemed a little unnecessary from the off but I'm the same as you dude, whether it's for me or not I think innovation and trying new ideas is important. Awesome start to the experiment man!
And I'm not well up on them but I thiiiiink that riff was Dillinger. I could be wrong though...
You the man. Course it was Dillinger :). They are from my area.
@@andrefludd Happy I got that right! Seems only fair I give them another listen to in that case 😁
"I don't really okay metal, but I can play it this fast".
And then proceeds to play the sickest chug down.
The metal is in you. Give in to the metal. Become the metal......
Wasn't expecting the beautiful clean tones
Have you tried a PRS SE 245? I love that 24.5" scale and round smooth neck.
Also, check out the Sevensuns string quartet full-album cover of One Of Us Is The Killer!
Almost sounds like a fuzz when engaged but it’s probably just the extra output. Maybe this would be cool on a low gain setting and using the pickup to up the gain when needed.
They should have added some push pulls or a freeway switch for some way more interesting switching, like just the two outer coils in the triad, series/parallel options, etc…
You could fix the volume spike with the 3pickup configuration by adding a resistor, it wont change the tone.
Not surprised the big difference was in the clean tones. Everything I’ve seen tested so far says that high gain tones aren’t affected much by pickup changes.
Does that guitar rest tool for your lap work with E shaped guitars? Like the explorer? I have an LTD EX that's quite annoying because I can't find a good seated playing position when I'm just noodling.
The useful difference to me sounds like it would be in drive. For instance if you play high-gain you could roll it back to six and have a distinct lead tone with the triple coils at ready.
there's interesting possibilities with all the extra pickups, i suppose, but i can only immediately think of integrated electronics with a sequencer to voltage controlled amplifiers.
These are cool but my biggest issue is what if you want to swap out the pup down the road, not many after market triple coil pick ups out there.
Thank you for playing the big chords
SOOOO hype for this series. hope to see some 7 strings
I like the idea of this 3 single coil pickup , but only if the single coil can have a reverse polarity function :)
Nice review! and what's the movie title that starts from 20 seconds.
Does anyone know? Thanks a lot!
How is the noise on the Triad pickup during high gain? Is it the same as it would be on a single coil?
What about adding something in the electronics which makes all five switch selections same volume? So that only quality changes and not quantity at the same time?
I would really love to hear how jazz sounds on these metal guitars, as much as possible
I’ll will include that in every single video moving forward. Maybe also some blues stuff. I’m really excited.
The Dana Triforce three coil pickup is surprisingly versatile. I can't really tell how this compares because Andre won't stop talking. But if you find an old Alvarez Dana with the three coil pickup you owe it to your self to plug it in and try the sounds out. Going through the five way switch from the front single coil all the way down is like kicking up the gain and shaping the mid range a little more each step.
I wonder if the intention is for the triple pickup to clip giving it an almost more compressed/boosted sound when distorted and chugged on?
I think I would have been better wired differently; Position 4 being middle and neck in series, position 2 being a high output bridge humbucker in parallel with middle single coil to drop the output level? Maybe position 3 being neck/middle series and bridge humbucker.
Pretty easy to think of this as HSS just middle is next to bridge 😎
wasn't expecting the shootout with the prs dJENTt se lol. The biggest issue for me with the triple bucker is that it seemed to lose a lot of clarity which is probably due to the bobbin being further from the bridge. I'm curious how it would compare to the Stephen Carpenter signature since it's a bridge and middle only configuration
It is def very muddy. Even my ears could
Hear that lol. I tried not to say it in video because I want people to be able to make their own judgement
Seems useful honestly. Particularly for someone playing through a tube amp where you can't sculpt your DI before it hits the amp as easily.
Could you tell me what guitar necks are thinner than this??
I loved the combination of the neck pickup with the upper third of the bridge triad pickup. But the three together on the bridge sounded pretty bad in my opinion. Kinda muddy.
Also loved the 43% burnt homage
Does it cancel the hum, in any of the 2 coil switch settings?
4:02 i think both are made by WMI, just that the ormsby is made in their korean factory, the Schecter in their newer Indonesian factory. Maybe that explains the similarities?
The triple coil is a '70s/'80s throwback. Think Hamer and Ibanez guitars of the era.
For a modern sound, you'd need to down-tune and use way less distortion to hear the difference (think Gent). If you're already saturating the tone, you'll not notice the boost by tone. Petrucci showed off his active DB boost, but you don't really notice it until he did a clean tone. For most players/tones, the boost is more about feel than sound. You get more output for less effort. It feels like your guitar "sings", but only you know the difference.
Listening to metal recordings, you're hearing double-tracked guitars that are using way less distortion than you'd expect. So, if you try to match tone to those albums, you'll use higher levels and more distortion to make up the difference.
Ibanez offered triple coil pickups in the 70's on the Iceman. Steve Miller played one. And Mighty Mite used to offer a triple coil pickup called The Motherbucker. I put on my '52 Telecaster back in the early 80's. It had at least 10 sounds. And Hamer did triple coil pickups on the Phantom. So what's old is new again.
I like that mod where you can use all the pickups on a standard sss fender
Dillinger Escape Plan! Ever consider getting the Ben Weinman Signature LTD? Seems right up your alley as a Jazz and Metal guy
It’s on the list ;)
I got a fender marauder with a triple humbucker in the bridge. Its more like 3 bladed singles. The marauder has a body kinda like a jazzmaster or jaguar.
Reminds me of the triforce pickups on old Alvarez dana guitars.
Seems like it doesn't add anything to the sound but volume, what would probably have been a better idea the 3coils being always on but a function to select through different voicings and also an onboard EQ like on high end bass guitars , so it wouldn't be just louder
It could also slightly change the sound of the pickup as far as how it gets more bassy and less bright with the 3rd single coil being farther from the bridge, but who knows how much difference that really adds. The way a strat bridge single coil is angled definitely does significantly make the low E more bassy though, it sounds so much different on Jimi's right handed strat strung as a lefty.
I've seen Fender do this on a very niche model a WHILE ago. I feel like in both cases, the "triple bucker" doesn't solve any problem... but hey it's cool.
that goliath of a pickup made a normal PRS humbucker sound like a single coil damn
I had an SLS Elite C-7 regret selling it. The ultra thin C neck and body shape is solid and the stainless frets and sweet. Schecter does a good job on pretty much everything they put out.
OMG. Here we are!
LOL.
BTW, yes they come from the same place, the two guitars. The Schecter INDO factory is owned by WMI. Your serial number should be starting with RN on the Schecter.
Honestly, I think the three pickup thing works better with those "in between" positions. Sure, the Triad humbucker is cool. But the blended sounds are what interest me. My #1 is an SVSS exotic, and while I love the humbucker tones, the split tones are what make me play it so much. One of the in between positions sounds like a Strat, another sounds like a P90.
I am interested to see what you think in the long term! Especially since you're starting with a budget model. Great video, man!
Bro I swear I’m going to try normal Schecter stuff too and not just this 😅
@@andrefludd LOL. Fair, man. Fair. Have a good weekend. I sent you an email.
I think the 3 humbucker only adds more low end. But if you're not tuning lower, then it may not make a noticeable difference. I heard Andrew Baena's review, which was with the 7-string baritone version of this guitar (tuned to Drop F#), and you could hear the extra low end chunk. But for E standard? Meh.
Schecter is listed on Blacksmith's brand section for their fretwire products - not 100% clear if they get their stainless from them or just their nickel, but it's solid. More of an internal industry thing that's hard to know if you're outside of it tho.
fredrik thordendal had a lundgren 8 string pickup like this on one of his 29.4 scale 8 strings. can only imagine the tone.
Not the right color of shirt for this guitar xD amazing review as always!
check out the pinned comment haha
Try playing some Gojira! Very riff oriented. Almost all in D tuning. And the album from Sirius to Mars is best. Thanks for the review. Great review, Dr Fludd.
JERSEYYYYYYYY
Good deep dive, my dude
Nigel also used the tribucker. check out the film where Spinal Tap returns.
Assuming you tested with the same settings the triads sounded more focused, tighter with distortion than dgt, which sounded "flabbier". For metal this is optimal. Also it has so many options that you can use the other modes to modify tone on spot.
i already heard the same thing. with gain, the triad outperformed the others