Humidity meters and their sensors.
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- Humidity meters are a useful device to ensure that your home or workplace is kept at a reasonable humidity to avoid problems caused by dampness or extreme dry conditions.
Here's a look at how you can check their accuracy and how they work.
If this video seems a bit rushed it's because the original long video intended for today repeatedly failed to upload.
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I used these in my first job making moisture instrumentation in 1999. The sensor needs a higher frequency driving wave at higher humidity to stop polarisation and a much lower frequency at very low humidity. I developed a simple bit of code that smoothly varied the frequency from 10kHz down to 100Hz based on what the sensor was reading, hugely extending the accurate range of the sensor.
How the hell do you know these awesome little tidbits like the humidity in a bag trick?
That kind of stuff is awesome to know and I really have to thank you for it.
It's why I subscribe to this channel -infotainment of the highest caliber!
possibly mycology hobby? mycoligists need accurate humidity readings . its commen knowledge for those into mycology . to calibrate an anologue humidity guage, you put it in a bag with salt for upto 75% for high humity upto 99% wrap it in a damp towel for 1 hour and adjust to read 99%
I had it in 10 minutes of Googling. I mean once you have multiple humidity meters, or have ever even been to a store where a bunch of them display different values, the natural question occurs which one is right.
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Indeed!
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Good for you! ;)
Maybe he's a cigar aficionado. They're OCD about their humidors. :)
Maybe cigars! Ask me how I know it 😂
Hi Clive, just dropping in to say how useful this video is 4 years later.
I've been researching humidity sensors for a 3D printer filament drying project and was nearly going to pull the trigger on a couple of $8 already in the nice plastic case with the display jobbies, when I remembered I had a few sensors lying around from a previous arduino project. I wondered how they worked, and the words " hygrometer eBay " brought me straight here. I'm fairly certain if I type anything I'm remotely interested in with the word eBay after it I'll end up with result number 1 being a video of yours....
Top quality content as always mate, stay safe during this quarantine, and as always... keep the explosion containment pie dish handy.
I purchased 10 of these little devices, they were sold as ºC (celsius) only. I wanted to use them mainly for the humidity function. As with everything I get, I take it apart first. I discovered there is a set of solder points inside that will set it to ºF (fahrenheit) temperature readings. Bonus! :)
Hi @DrTeddyMMM So how did you have them convert Celsius to Fahrenheit? Mine was displayed in Fahrenheit and after battery change it turned into Celsius. I'd really appreciate if you could shed some light. Thanks!
How I didn't see your comment last year when I got some of these and asked Clive how to change it, I don't know. I should have read more comments. LOL But he said the same thing about the solder pads.
did the humidity function work propperly?
Why would anyone need more than 6 of tho... oh wait, you're Clive, never underestimate Clive.
Yeah, it was a group test to see how they compared.
Living room, dining room, kitchen, bedroom, bathroom, basement...
theyre cheap, reason enough to buy at least 5
I bought three of them in white. One for my bedroom, one for my kitchen and one for my fridge.
if you're growing weed...
I really do appreciate videos like this, Clive. I know it seems like such a simple thing but this is a good unbiased educational video for a product that has worked very well in my life. Thanks for the work you do!
Totally agree
put mine through the washing machine. had a significant affect on its accuracy.
The washing machine's?
very good.
What kind of washing machine is it? We may be able to help you re-calibrate it, and fix it's accuracy.
+p3rs0n42 Never do your laundry with a non-calibrated washing mashine. Bad things can happen!
+Christian Geiselmann I always recalibrate it before each load, just to be safe!
Thanks for showing us Clive, I didn't really know how these things work but I'm glad you did this video.
Very useful video
I bought a pair of these with the sensors on flying leads and put them in a wall mounted box on a cavity wall I've been having damp problems with.
One panel is reading the ambient humidity (and temperature), the other the sensor goes through a hole in the wall so I can measure humidity in the cavity and compare them against each other.
Now I can make sure the two units are calibrated the same.
Thank you for such a great video! I was wondering how those sensors work. I have very poor knowledge of physics but at a amateur level I understood how it works. Thanks a lot!
You answered every question I had about these units and more. Much appreciated.
Great for homemade humidors, and I know know heaps more about them.
Clive, you're a star.
Thank you so much Mr. Clive for this video, me and the wife are looking for new ones for the green houses that dont just crap out in the sunlight and moisture so this is extremely helpful !
you would think a moisture meter would have some protection from the elements but apparently not
Every time I look at your channel there's something interesting and timely
Great tip about testing. I now know which of my hygrometers to trust. Thank you Clive!
Just subbed to Patreon Clive, keep doing what you're doing mate.
Wonderful explanation. Thank you so much for sharing. I am also enthusiastic about hygrometers and since they show slightly different values I didn't know which one is correct. Now I know how to check. I'm really excited to try this out.
I never knew that you could check the calibration like that. I have a DHT22 (digital) humidity sensor connected to my Raspberry Pi weather station that I suspect is read way off so could test it with this method. Thanks for the tip!
Great video and great channel. Subbed for sure. Had several of these under cover that drifted due to very fine silica dust (middle east weather). Now I know how and how not to clean these! Most appreciated.
hey Clive your knowledge is immence another ace video top class viewing .Keep it up sir .
I use these in my guitar cases. Thanks for the calibration tips
This video was the simple explanation I was looking for. Thank you!
Excellent video, thanks!
Also, thanks for explaining how to test the accuracy on these things. I have varying different humidity meters around, and I don't know if any of them are correct or not, so I will definitely get them checked.
Nice video and humidity sensor explanation. Great way to test the units. If they were adjustable, wish you would have shown how to bring them closer to the correct reading.
Great video Clive! Very informative, I've always wondered how those cheap devices measured humidity.
Thanks big man for another quality video to keep us exciting party folk entertained, this Friday night.
very cool, thank you for showing me this Clive!
Thanks for showing us how to test the accuracy i was a bit worried about that and now i have something to help me out!
Man, that is amazing. Humidity cal for cheap meters. Thank you so much for this!
Thank you. This is of particular relevance to me right now.
Clive I thought they were capacitors of which the capacitance varies with humidity. I traced the circuit of one of these and I found this;
There was a CMOS 555 on board of which the frequency varied as a function of the capacitance of the sensor.
I could be wrong perhaps the varying resistance changed the frequency directly. But I remember that the sensor was located where normally a capacitor goes into the 555 oscillator circuit. I built and sold a dozen humidity display plus recorders to a pharmaceutical Co. about 6 years ago.
Always learning something....Thank you!
ahey! the first product that you've dismantled that I own, good to see whats inside 'er.
Thanks, bigclive! Learnt something new today. AC, not DC for RH sensors. :)
Great job. Thorough and even authoritative
Fantastic little thing, I'm ordering one for my server rack right now, I have my own temp sensor I rigged up using a dallas instruments one wire device but something to permanently install will be handy, though without the ability to datalog like mine.
First one I found has a remote sensor, and I figure that will work nicely since I will be able to put it somewhere in the rack if I want to read the temp from somewhere else.
You can use various salts with their own equilibrium relative humidities. To calibrate a low point at 33%, Magnesium Chloride is an easily accessible salt. You should use kosher salt or canning salt instead of table salt for your Sodium Chloride slurry, though. Common table salt contains anti-caking agents that can throw things off.
wow, an eye opening video. again so glad i subscribed.
Awesome video! Thank you so much.
I own a few of these. Great help for tropical plants and exotic animals.
Useful and interesting video, thank you.
I got this humitidy meter, but with external long probe model. Later I am going to test its accuracy according to your test.
Thx.
I had an old 480Watt window a/c, so I decided to use the condenser to dry my bedroom.
My humidity sensor Implied 47% humidity at 27.7C/82F. I had it in operation overnight, 5 gallons of water later and the sensor still reads 47% Humidity.
I think my hair is a far better measurement of humidity.
timed this visit to CZcams quite well!
I learned so much in 7 mins thank my good sir..
Last winter, I bought a few of these round analog humidity meters from ebay, because my apartment is always too dry and I was using a humidifyer for the first time. When they arrived, they all showed a different value, so I had to clip open and manually rotate the dial in order to get a somewhat accurate reading (but in fact, I'm happy if it shows me "around 20%" or "around 40%", with the former being almost unbearable for my respiratory system and the latter being the start of where it becomes tolerable.
I've often wondered how those work. V cool vid.
Great help to calibrate/check the hygrometer, which turns out to be essential in covid-19 prevention.
That is, keeping a room above 40 %RH and preferable below 50 %RH.
I fitted one of these into a smart Roadster a few months ago. They suffer from leaks and the water turns to vapour and condenses on the main controller PCB for most of the electrics. Monitoring the humidity in the car was an obvious step.
i have a temperature meter in the same package, quite neat to keep an eye on temp inside refridgerator(it has a lead with the sensor on the end) Might get one of these for fun
Humidity sensors require temperature sensors to get the relative humidity (absolute isn't really used much), you can probably tune the ones that are out by simply tweaking the resistance of the thermistor.
Unlikely. Thermistors are _highly_ nonlinear. The COB has a table programmed into it that compares the resistance of the thermistor to the (nearest) preprogrammed value. At least that’s what should happen theoretically when each unit is calibrated. Granted, there’s not a chance they do that for cheap Chinese hygrometers (they probably use typical values from the thermistor’s manufacturer data sheet), but I don’t see how you can “tweak” the resistance without _decreasing_ the overall accuracy of the unit.
You could, probably, calibrate it this way to be (more) accurate in a specific range of temperatures (for example, around the typical room temperature, refrigerator temperature, or freezer temperature). You’ll still need a highly accurate, certified device as a gauge for that.
Very helpful thank you!
Interesting, thanks Clive. Are there other salts you can use that would have different humidity equalisation points? I wonder if the offset you noticed on some of the devices is linear.
Yes there are other salts that can be used, like lithium chloride, but some are very temperature dependent. The plain old sodium chloride test is the simplest.
Boveda brand sells packs with different humidity settings including a 75% and 33% humidity for calibrating humidity meters...
I have always wanted to know how these worked, thanks.
So the million dollar question remains unanswered - did those ones you tested drive the sensors in AC or DC...? :)
On the basis that they are designed for the task and the readings remain stable over time I would guess that they are being run properly.
Thank you for the video. I always wondered how some of these worked. This clarifies and teaches me a lot about them. I wonder how good is their response time and how does their different encasing can affect both the accuracy and response time of it.
A great fan of your videos. Please make a video about the humidity sensors that comes with common xh-m452 temperature humidity controller used in egg incubators.
Currently most use this "asair am2120" and it doesn't works for more then 2 weeks.
I have these things all through the house,all acceptably accurate. Any discrepancy I just take the average. Very useful little devices.
Thanks Clive. Had to find out if these are reliable enough to monitor the humidity for my sneks.
At that price, it would worth ordering 10 and doing the calibration test to cherry pick the most accurate ones. Even the more expensive ones I bought a while back vary several percent from each other when left placed side by side overnight. Great tip about the salt water based calibration. As for distilled water, dehumidifier water makes a good substitute as we use it in the clothes iron, steam cleaner, etc that normal tap water would otherwise leave gunk once evaporated. Going by Amazon, it's surprising how many people fall for the snake oil single-use moisture traps claiming to dehumidify one's home considering they only collect 1-2 litres per refill (which takes several weeks and expensive to buy), compared to 2 to 4 litres per day for a typical electric dehumidifier.
'Dehumidified water'? Let me see that! :-)
+Christian Geiselmann I think this means "water collected from the dehumidifier", which as it has been condensed from water vapour is essentially distilled water.
Boveda brand sells salt packs with different humidity settings including a 75% and 33% humidity for calibrating humidity meters...
Impedance according to the data sheet is 31.0k@60%RH excited at 1Khz. If these are put in as one leg of a 31.0K "bridge" you can drive them with a 1khz sine wave and then send the output in to a op amp buffer and then rectify it from there. The op amp can have enough gain to compensate for the diode loss and then it can be read directly with a DMM or ADC input. It means ordering expensive 0.1% resistors though and perhaps "balancing" out an offset.
Good man right there
Handy, Big guy..
I really like the HIH-4000. It's a capacitive sensor that does a similar job. The resistive salt based devices age. Capacitive sensors do not. They also output a 0-5v analog signal and don't need to be driven with hard to deal with sine waves. Something to look into...
We build things for grain store monitoring using the HIH 4000 series sensors, been using them for years. Eventually some do go a bit haywire but most of the time it's due to dodgy electrics on a farm that have zapped some part of the circuitry upstream of them.
Clive, On the polarisation of the sensor from using DC, have you ever tried to measure the resistance of silver loaded conductive paint while it's drying? You could make a video of that but you'd have to do several stripes at hourly intervals before measuring the resistances.
Hi, I have bought two hygrometers. When I do the salt Calibration test they have a difference of 10 between them, one reads 76 the other 86, however when they are out the salt test and in the same spot in my room they read more or less the same? Do you know why this might be? Thanks
Good stuff.
thanks clive
If only you made this video 2 months ago clive! I used these little things to make a weather-station and I spent days trying to get it to work correctly, ended up getting the digital sensor modules (DHT modules) and using those instead. It wasn't until later I found that its not very good to drive them using DC.
BTW most have a small area with 2 solder point that can be shorted for use with Fahrenheit , actually has a C/F denoted on the board
One note: The bottom of the line Acurite humidity/ temperature meter I use seems correct for humidity and degrees C in whole numbers. However if I switch temperature display to degrees F it is obvious that it only displays whole numbers in C, because as the degrees change in F they jump 1 or 2 degrees F. The omitted F numbers never show up on the display. Living in the USA and living in higher whole number resolution Fahrenheit , I just do not have a good feel for Centigrade.
الله عليك يا استاذ 😃
hey clive
nice video here. how much salt/water do you have to add and in what ratio? 1:1? I tried it and after one day all the meters (i bought three of them) showed 99%...
Basically a tub of salt with enough water to make it slushy. Don't let the salty water get on the meters though as otherwise it may affect their accuracy.
The last humidity meter thing I had was a cheap one which came with a thermometer and a clock in a 3-gauge plastic housing, never worked right, especially after I made the spring pop out... :P
I thought that they generally worked as capacitors. I know the ones I've seen have open air separating the plates and the changing humidity in the air changes it dielectric properties, therefore changing the capacitance which can then be measured.
Brilliant vdeo. Do you know how long it usually takes for a hygrometer to stabilise, for instance if you move it from one place to another?
Usually just an hour or two.
Hey Clive. I had basic science stuff in school but never really understood the differences between Volts, Watts, Amps etc. Any chance you could do an informational video explaining this like you'd explain it to a 5 year old?
Just got one as a Christmas gift thinking about putting it in my car
1:49 I'd say the variation in humidity reading is not so much an error in the humidity reading, but rather the calculation it performs based on the temperature. You might mention it later, but I'm commenting in real time; relative humidity is based on the capacity of air to hold water vapor and that changes based on temperature. The meters in the tub are ranging from a low of 18.3C to a high of 19.9C and show a difference in relative humidity of 4%.
I think it comes down to the accuracy of the temperature probes, but there is another 5m7s to this video and I could be totally incorrect.
So,
i) do you know if the above LCD ones suffice? If yes do you know for how long?
ii) Do you know if the only analog one in the video is the correct one, "AC"?
a) Do you know if it's good enough? If yes do you know for how long?
Hi Clive. Is there any chance to reuse the HR202L after getting it wet? Bc I wanna try it into some project and it requires to wash it on a daily basis... in case it's not possible, do you know another idea that could work with it? GREETINGS FROM ARGENTINA!
I'm not sure how well it would last if you got it wet or cleaned it with a detergent. It may lose its accuracy.
I prefer the digital ones (SHT) from Sensirion. I was using the same method to calibrate my humidor meters.
If applying a DC voltage across these sensors polarizes them one way or the other.. could that be used as a cheap way to nudge some of the ones you have their closer to accurate?
Cool :) thanks
if you touch them you can heat them up a bit with the soldering iron while in use until they read right again
Seems to be as accurate and good as the £15 or so one I got for my cigar humidor.
Am I getting it right that for the little container with salt and water the idea is to take so much of both that in the container there will be a saturated solution of salt in water pluss excess salt that then will act on the surrounding air?
It makes a saturated solution that balances out by either liberating water into the air or drawing it out until the equilibrium of about 75% is achieved.
When they say thin film they actually mean thin film of photoresist on it which is what they use when making microchips. This means the film was put on it when it was part of another 1000 chips on a microchip wafer which are now either 200mm-300mm (8 inch to 12 inch) sized wafers.
the zoomed pic of the humidity sensors looks like the ones that used to be fixed to the heads in vhs machines
By the way: You can calibrate the analog ones very easy. Bought a few from china for less than a dollar and they all had a calibration screw in it.
I saw a difference in humidity. 75 and 59 moisture. 😉❤️💯👏🥇
I actually bought 4 of these so I could measure different points of the house! A bummer the temperature is as inaccurate as hell though, because that was one of the reasons to get it as a quick gauge :/
It would be great if you could check with an oscilloscope whether these cheap all in one modules correctly use ac on the sensor.
Are these little units resettable? After you bring them to 75%, is there a reset button than allows you to make it read correctly? I could not tell if there was a reset button when you took it apart. Enjoyed your video. Thanks
There's no calibration feature on them.
@@bigclivedotcom Thank you for the clarification
I moved down here to Phoenix, Arizona thinking that the humidity would be between 2% and 35%. NOPE!
The humidity during the Summer regularly exceeds 50%! It can get kinda sticky here.
Those are surprisingly cheap. The Honeywell HumidIcon sensors I use cost about four times as much (about $10 each), and that's for just the sensor itself -- no neat little display, case, PCB, batteries, or anything else.
how long will the small batteries last on these things? Thanks for the Video
They seem to last a decent amount of time if good quality ones are used.
Dear Mr Clive, if you have the time, could you test the various resistors and pads to figure out how to get the temperature to display in Fahrenheit? I see the LCD does have "F" next to the "C", and this LCD does look purpose made for this hygrometer. I'd love if I could meaningfully read the temperature in the U.S!
I bought 5. Would buy 20 more if they read in °F.
In case you didn't figure this out, the typical examples tend to have a couple of pads labeled c/f and if you jumper them together you get Fahrenheit instead of the default Celsius.
Wow, thanks! Geez those are tiny pads, I didn't even see them before without a magnifying glass. Lowercase 'c/f' to the very right edge of the board, centered vertically.
You should try out the strain gauges mate. I've used a lot of them for aircraft structural tests. The linear ones are on ebay now for cheap as chips prices and rather similar to these sensors. Great video! Cheers.