How To - Setting Helix DSP's Input Gain & Input EQ Using Its Input RTA

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  • čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
  • In this video, we go over how to set the input gain on a Helix DSP and how to set the input EQ using its built-in input signal RTA. For setting the input gain, you will need a 0db sine wave. I use a 1000hz sine wave. For setting the input EQ, you will need a correlated (mono) pink noise track.
    Side note: I know I have it backwards in the video, but you should be doing input EQ adjustments BEFORE you set and forget the input gain. For this car, we set the gain first, then the input eq (as seen), but what you don't see is that we went back after the fact and re-adjusted the input gain to account for the boosting of signal in the input EQ.
    1) Find out your radios max undistorted volume number while playing a 0db sine wave
    2) Play that same 0db sine wave with the DSP's outputs muted, and adjust the input gain knob(s) until the clipping light turns red. Input gain knobs location will vary on the model of Helix DSP you have
    Input gain is now set.
    Setting Input RTA
    3) Play correlated pink noise through the radio at the same max volume from before
    4) Follow the video, I'm not typing that all out :)

Komentáře • 67

  • @uptobatentertainment
    @uptobatentertainment Před 4 lety +4

    This is a great walk thru video explaining the how to & setup guide for the DSP SW! Thanks Nick @ Apicella Auto Sound 🔥💪✅

  • @JMhmmm1
    @JMhmmm1 Před rokem

    Late to the party, but this is THE most informative video. Just with the RTA went down to 20Hz.

  • @Highqman1974
    @Highqman1974 Před 4 lety

    Just a fantastic video guys. Very straight forward and simple, but if you payed attention you learned ALOT!

  • @Levi081
    @Levi081 Před 4 lety

    Fantastic, just got hold of a Helix P Six dsp mk2, and started watching 👀 all of your setup videos. As over in UK London & not that many dsp tuner about

  • @texnomex1245
    @texnomex1245 Před rokem

    Thanks for this. Was wondering how to use this feature. Well done.

  • @uptobatentertainment
    @uptobatentertainment Před 4 lety

    When I get my unit I am going to test with a 0db Sine sweep from 20-20,000Hz, as well as known set frequencies like 20,30,40,50,60 for bass, 100, 500, and see which frequency clips first & use that freq to set clip free input. Thanks again for sharing info & how to 💪✅

    • @ballz50401
      @ballz50401 Před 4 lety

      The sweep is a good idea. At 1kHz I can't get the clipping led to illuminate. At 50 Hz, I have to turn the volume knob down down 6 notches. I'm going to try turning down the bass setting on my factory HU to see if I can get some of my volume resolution back. I'm also wondering if the input EQ on the DSP.2 will give me the same result.

    • @uptobatentertainment
      @uptobatentertainment Před 3 lety

      @@ballz50401 I used a 0db 20 - 20,000 Hz sine sweep & compared it w/ a 1000 Hz 0db & noticed the lower frequencies clipped / illuminated the clip light before 1000 Hz. Think it was 50 or 30 Hz that clipped first but in the end I used the 1000 Hz b/c the manual & Tech support recommended.
      I used a set point on my OEM Radio with all settings flat volume around 75-80 %. I mainly use the HEC Usb audio input to my helix but find the output from digital audio vs CD is very close to where I didn’t use a diff setup for Usb audio vs master Cd input.
      Also w digital audio input into the helix you cam apply a limiter in the SW to prevent clipping. It’s transparent enough because it’s performed in the digital domain then converts to analog to send to amps so even if there was clipping in the audio the helix won’t send clipped audio to amps as far as my understandingly the signal & D to A conversion inside the helix DSP.

  • @stevegillatt8731
    @stevegillatt8731 Před 4 lety

    What a great informative video, well done and thank you Nick.

  • @robertsavage6927
    @robertsavage6927 Před 4 lety

    I found the video very helpful. Thank you for making it.

  • @stanimirzheliazkov7278

    Great video like always! Keep going that way! Thank you!

  • @uptobatentertainment
    @uptobatentertainment Před 4 lety +1

    Having 10,000 Hz at 0db will be extremely loud compared to 100hz at 0 dB due to how the ear actually hears. An equal loudness curve similar to pink noise represents a flat response curve due to how the ear works esp at 85-87 dB C weighted. Check out Fletcher Munson curve.
    If your highs are 0db like your lows that’s more representative of white noise, which is not a flat frequency response, b/c the ear is more sensitive to higher frequencies. If the higher frequencies are equally loud as the lower the ear will not perceive the lower frequencies accurately.
    Listen to pink noise vs white noise.. Same frequencies in each.. W/ pink noise you hear lows & rumble from the bass, white noise sounds like an old Black and white TV trying to get signal. Even though the same amount of low end frequencies is in the white noise as pink noise the ear does not hear the equal loudness from 20-20,000 Hz.

  • @fabledTB
    @fabledTB Před 4 lety

    Thank you for the video. I learned something useful

  • @nubudyawn107
    @nubudyawn107 Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you for this video, I know I'm late to date. I have a question after you've already corrected the signal from the input EQ, do you use the new signal you correct to set gains on amps ?

  • @handymadness
    @handymadness Před 4 lety

    So awesome Nick! Thanks!

  • @MaestrroMusic
    @MaestrroMusic Před 4 lety +1

    Great video !

  • @x5tommy
    @x5tommy Před 4 lety

    Great info. Keep at it.

  • @stefanc439
    @stefanc439 Před rokem

    Helpful video,
    I do have a question for you and I wil be very grateful if you going to answer :
    Do I have to set this Input Gain Settings (Input Alignement) that you explained in this video before time alignment and before tuning with the RTA microphone ?

    • @ResoNixSoundSolutions
      @ResoNixSoundSolutions  Před rokem +1

      You do not need to set input gain before tuning, but I recommend it just to make the process easier in the long run.

  • @adamp2
    @adamp2 Před rokem

    wow thank you big help

  • @jayinmi3706
    @jayinmi3706 Před 4 lety +1

    I made my own XLR cables to go into my M-audio Mobile Pre to go into REW. lol

  • @joeshaft
    @joeshaft Před 3 lety

    great video there and a big help for my first helix dsp. Question, what are you doing to measure the signal in the analyse section? it sounds like youre in the car and just running the frequency response analysis but how? is it actually a microphone based test or are you plugging something direclty into the dsp? maybe I'm missing something obvious here???

    • @Prickles2001
      @Prickles2001 Před 2 lety

      I'm assuming you have figured this out by now but I'm guessing the analysis is done internally in the DSP. So the signal ded to the DSP via RCA or whatever is analysed by the DSP itself

  • @iamlorenhoward
    @iamlorenhoward Před 4 lety

    Great video. I see you're going into the Helix using high level inputs. For the base 6 speaker un-amp'd Chrysler's do you recommend an AmpPro AP4 or do you think the speaker outs are sufficient?

  • @adleneamir4068
    @adleneamir4068 Před 2 lety

    Hello great explanation But if we have a digital signal from head unit and this head unit dispose than a propre dsp , how to mutch all this with helix dsp

  • @thomasbyers9153
    @thomasbyers9153 Před 3 lety

    I hate to ask, but have you done a video showing how to actually use that all-pass EQ to defeat a factory radio with it in there? I've searched CZcams for help, but even this helpful video is unlisted.

  • @WILCO1uk
    @WILCO1uk Před 4 lety

    Great video, really helpfull. It made my mind up about buying a P6 DSP amp to replace my Audison AP5.9 on my BMW X1 with base stereo (high level outputs with nasty factory EQ). However, now its arrived, I've realised that although the P6 has input EQ, it doesn't have the analyser......gutted! Can I use REW and a soundcard with a line input from the line output of the P6 (no crossovers, or eq) to take a pink noise measurement to be used to manually EQ the inputs? Do you know if the auto eq feature (hitting 'r' key) works on teh input EQ as well? Do I then have to revist the manual sensitivity / gain (potentiometer on the case) setting, or does that input gain come before the input EQ (ie I just have to keep an eye on teh levels in the software). Sorry for all the questions, but after having spent nearly a £1k on this I'm a bit gutted and want to do it right. fwiw I'll be using the optical and / or a HEC card in the future so need to De-EQ the main inputs before adding further EQ in the main window.

  • @rainman2725
    @rainman2725 Před 2 lety

    Is there anyway to correct an all pass filter from the factory headunit

  • @mike_saw_7563
    @mike_saw_7563 Před rokem

    Is there a way to do this without a scope?

  • @tor7860
    @tor7860 Před 4 měsíci

    Каким микрофоном Вы делали замер?

  • @Shamus71
    @Shamus71 Před 4 lety

    Have you installed one of these DSP’s in a newer model Mazda with Bose system? If so.. considered simple or complex?

  • @user-vx3fr4kh4b
    @user-vx3fr4kh4b Před 4 lety

    Do not understand the hardware link when measuring Need to measure microphone Or the specific link process of hardware

  • @lifegoeson4554
    @lifegoeson4554 Před 4 lety

    Is this function no longer available in version 4.6? I ask bc the start stop input signal analyzer does not appear for me. Additionally, for the front inputs, I’m only able to select front L and not R. It’s the same for the rear.

    • @lifegoeson4554
      @lifegoeson4554 Před 4 lety

      Ok, I see that this may not be available for the DSP Pro MK2. I’m thinking that I may be able to use the rta tab instead and somehow use that on the IO tab to possibly make needed adjustments? I’m using a pac amp pro for interface with my uconnect radio so the signal should be flat. Watching this video just got me excited to see what I am actually getting and would confirm my input/output configuration.

  • @wickedsatan1
    @wickedsatan1 Před 4 lety

    Can helix dsp detect distortion?

  • @jayinmi3706
    @jayinmi3706 Před 4 lety

    If Metra is the only one who makes a kit for a given application, then nobody makes one. lol

  • @dcfisdf
    @dcfisdf Před 4 lety

    where did you put the probes to measure radio max volume?

  • @Not884
    @Not884 Před 4 lety

    So what setting are you using on the meter and how do you know it’s clipping

  • @pvaughn2
    @pvaughn2 Před 4 lety

    Great video - thanks. I just installed a Match UP 7BMW and tried tuning this weekend using version PV-Tool 4.52a. Everything was fine until I tried setting the EQ. Clicking over from the IO screen takes me to the Input Alignment screen as in your video. My problem is that on my screen below the graph I only have Input Delay, Input EQ and Parametric EQ, no "Input Signal Analyzer" area where you drag the channel down and start/stop the RTA. Any ideas? Could it be a difference in the Match version of the software?

    • @ResoNixSoundSolutions
      @ResoNixSoundSolutions  Před 4 lety

      You dont need the signal analyzer if you have the up7bmw. The signal in the BMW's with hifi are flat

    • @pvaughn2
      @pvaughn2 Před 4 lety

      @@ResoNixSoundSolutions Thanks - so what are my main steps in tuning the amp? I've done everything prior to the RTA, what's left? I appreciate your help!

    • @ResoNixSoundSolutions
      @ResoNixSoundSolutions  Před 4 lety

      @@pvaughn2 set signal delays, crossovers, level adjustments, and eq. maybe some effects like the Real Center since you have a center channel

    • @pvaughn2
      @pvaughn2 Před 4 lety

      @@ResoNixSoundSolutions Great, thanks guys

  • @eazy69ful
    @eazy69ful Před 3 lety

    how do i set the output gains using the smd dd1 on the helix dsp mini

  • @matt76cmich64
    @matt76cmich64 Před 4 lety

    Dumb question, but would I be able to use the DSP's bluetooth/usb input as source instead of the stock radio (2014 Silverado)?

    • @ResoNixSoundSolutions
      @ResoNixSoundSolutions  Před 4 lety +1

      Of course. That's the point of the HEC cards for the Helix processors

    • @matt76cmich64
      @matt76cmich64 Před 4 lety

      @@ResoNixSoundSolutions thank you for the quick reply. I'm in the middle of planning a 2 way front stage and single under seat 12 setup. The stock (non bose) radio seems to be my limiting factor right now.

  • @wickedsatan1
    @wickedsatan1 Před 4 lety

    From where do you download 0db sound clips?

  • @iJo09
    @iJo09 Před 4 lety

    Why you boost eq bands instead of reducing them?

    • @ResoNixSoundSolutions
      @ResoNixSoundSolutions  Před 4 lety

      In this case it was less filters, plus we can always go back and re-adjust gain to compensate. Boost is not "bad" like people make it out to be. You just need to understand what is going on and what you are doing.

  • @haiker77
    @haiker77 Před 4 lety

    what model for this DSP?

  • @danbuelna722
    @danbuelna722 Před 4 lety

    Where are you guys located? I have dsp2 hard time getting it set.

  • @kiklop8362
    @kiklop8362 Před 4 lety

    I get from other installers that you should never raise dips but lower peaks if it is possible. What is your opinion about that?

    • @ResoNixSoundSolutions
      @ResoNixSoundSolutions  Před 4 lety

      Stupid generalization. Understand the signal and what you are doing to it. In this case where we boost, we just go back and recalibrate the input gain.

    • @uptobatentertainment
      @uptobatentertainment Před 4 lety

      Cuts are better than boosts, Yes, but in this instance he is trying to achieve a 0db flat response from 20-20,000 Hz. This is input remind you, not output response. Normally you would want a pink noise type freq response curve for output so the ear hears each octave instead of equal loudness in each octave like white noise where the high frequencies over power the ears ability to decipher the lower frequencies. He is trying to create a flat signal to sum the best audio input into the DSP SW to get the best audio output.

  • @gilbertsoliman1618
    @gilbertsoliman1618 Před 4 lety

    The input alignment on my AF DSP PC Tool version 4.52a copy does not work. Any special settings to make it work?

  • @jberry1979
    @jberry1979 Před 4 lety

    Are you an authorized helix dealer?

  • @refinedperformance9437

    Nice!