ASOIAF Theories: Savior from the north | Bloodstone's Dragon
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- Why is the church of the starry wisdom named as such? In HP Lovecraft's 1936 story titled, The Haunter of the Dark. The Starry Wisdom Cult also called the Church of the Starry Wisdom uses an ancient relic called the Shining Trapezohedron to summon a being known as the Haunter of the Dark. For unlimited knowledge of the universe, he demanded terrible sacrifice.
The Church is called the starry wisdom because these people were literally receiving wisdom from the stars, from Nyarlathotep one of the Outer Gods. In Asoiaf, Melisandre hears the whispering of the flames, Aerion Damphair hears a voice from the waters, the children of the forest sing the song of the earth, someone has to speak for the stars.
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Maybe, in the show, it was the Church of Starry Wisdom that gave Littlefinger his teleportation abilities...
Nah, Euron beats him. That dude travels straight through the Immaterium and can build an enitre fleet of warships in a matter of several episodes so he's a Time God too.
Nah Arya has the power to sneak and teleport
Nah I think Dave from Order Of The Greenland is right, Little Finger is the crow. The great other just forgot about the show tho
Yeh but how did Euron get his then? And is Gendry related to the Flash?
Nahhh he was just listening to initial D, that shit makes you fast.
The underlying demonic nature of asoiaf gives me shudders
Yeah there is something dark and sinister about the higher forces at play.
@@JFdowsley no there are not and sadly the show never puts the light this
@@paxonite-7bd5 is such a shame that the show fell to the exact tropes George wanted to subvert
@@alyssinclair8598 yet this part of the story doesn't attract that many people. No wonder it turned out garbage.
Lightbringer means lucifer
Watching this at night in my dark room. I also like to live dangerously.
I ate grapes with milk... my stomach roar like Balerion and the farts burns as such !
If the Starry Wisdom won, an endless summer of fire and blood would be just as terrible as an endless winter
Ben Fisher It will look like Valyria, or Ashai.
You’re right with that. However, “A song of ice and fire” implies balance. If one were to completely fail, there would be no song.
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
Bluemilk92 Robert Frost. The poem that partly inspired this book series.
Perhaps. Then again, Valyria and Yi Ti/Asshai seemed to be the most advanced places on earth while the lands of always winter and the Gray waste hold nothing
The Bloodstone Emperor worshipping a stone that fell from beyond the stars is a shout out to "Bloodstone" by Karl Edward Wagner. A writer who died too young who I think may have had an influence on GRRM. Excellent sword and sorcery novel that I think is back in print now. Basic premise is that the main character comes across an unusual Bloodstone ring that he surmises controls a giant sentient alien Bloodstone in a ruined city that's worshipped by a tribe of toad people.
I love all the story recs I find in the comments section
Bloodstone Emperor killing his sister may have been the genesis of the Azor Ahai/ Nissa Nissa story, altered by time.
The bloodstone that fell from the sky could be a dragon egg
So, my main theory posits that the Bloodstone Emperor was the same person as Azor Ahai, and that this was in fact the person who caused the Long Night. However, I also think it is still true that this person or his son perhaps did go on to become the last hero who helped bring about an end to the long night. It's kind of a Venus thing, where the same figure is both Morningstar and Evenstar, daybringer and nightbringer. So in a way that's very similar to what you're proposing here, that the Bloodstone Emperor was a dragon rider who helped end the LN.
I do however think there's solid proof that dragonriders existed long before the long night, namely, the fact that the five forts exist and were made out of fused Stone, seemingly before the long night. Similarly, the fused stone fortress at Battle Isle seems almost indisputably dated two before the long night, and fused stone of course can only be made with dragonfire and sorcery.
What I wonder about is whether or not there may have been some change in the way that humans interacted with Dragons brought about by the Bloodstone Emperor and his black meteor. Perhaps the dragon Bond and what we think of as the blood of the Dragon was created by the Bloodstone Emperor. It seems likely to be a results of some kind of horrible blood magic, which would be right up his angle from what we know.
I completely agree that Quaithe is a high-ranking member of the starry wisdom cult, as is Marwyn the Mage. I wrote a short essay one time collecting all the evidence that both of them are in fact members. Maybe we should do a starry wisdom livestream one time!
what about euron what side do you thing he is on
Definately Yes to a Starry Wisdom livestream - I also think the religion of the Seven is a bastardised version of the Church of Starry Wisdom. I think DurranDurrandun has the best write ups on this 💜
Wolfsbane Alphas - I think Euron is definitely into the Starry Wisdom & has made some sort of bargain & may already be undead. Sold his soul for Starry Wisdom.
The parallels between the Bloodstone Emperor and Azor Ahai are striking. Though I do think that AA is an agglomeration of several characters.
As for the black stone “that fell from the sky” (meteoritic iron) that he worshipped? Likely that was amongst the first wave of meteoritic debris from some celestial mashup (I share your theory with that, I just dropped my stupid White Walkers being Aliens theory after the season 6 reveal from that).
The “Church of Starry Wisdom” was likely originally conceived as a task force of royal astronomers and astrologers commissioned to figure out what it meant, when/if an extinction level event would happen and what they could do about it/if anything. I think that the “church” figured it out and concluded that it would happen again in several thousand years, wrote that down and filed it away in the Library of Asshai where the Priest of R’hllor rediscovered it some 5,000 years ago and adapted it (partially due to a bad translation) into their Azor Ahai reborn prophecy. I mean, the “bleeding stars” and the Red Comet being the harbinger for the apocalypse and a group that seeks to understand the stars being established just prior to the last apocalypse is a bit of a give away. Since civilization collapsed thanks to the last Long Night, the post and modern CoSW is likely unlike the Task Force commissioned by the BE.
And I’m with Grey Area on the ancient histories and timeline being off and that there were at least two prior Long Nights rather than just the one. The last one happened between 5,000 to 6,000 years ago due to the CotF’s greenseers foretelling of the coming of the Andals and previous one happening between 10,000 to 12,000 years ago during the conflict between the CotF and the First Men. Or they both happened during the same time, not separated by thousands of years. The current one could be seen as being due to the Greenseers foretelling of the Red Priests and their destruction of the remaining Weirwoods in their preparation for war against the Great Other and his servants (the CotF and/or the White Walkers).
As for the First Emperor of the Great Empire of the Dawn, the son of god, “God on Earth” who ascended back to the heavens after reigning for 10,000 years. This is pretty self explanatory. The Empire of the Dawn was the Dawn Age. It lasted for thousands of years. The Sun ruled over the World during that time. The Sun left at the start of the Long Night. The great carriage “curved from a single Pearl” was the Moon.
Though Martin has said that magic is/was involved in all of this, he has also said that things work in his World as they do in our World, to be careful with prophetic interpretations and that these “histories” and legends from thousands of years ago and of lands far off as being as accurate as the understandings of European monks from the Middle-Ages who never left Europe. So understanding that and coming up with rational explanations is just as important as figuring out the fantastical elements as possibilities (which is why I turn to this channel for help).
+Noel Horvath - don't worry bout tinfoil. I find it quite pleasant! There's a comparable artefact to the Pearl Palanquin in Tanith Lee's work/Flat Earth Cycle. Azriaz, (a godess on Earth) daughter of Duke Azrarn of Hell, Lord of Depravity, and the "good" priestess Dunis Ezail(sp?) has a whole room carved from a pearl. That room was made from a natural pearl from a monsterously big, "titanic" oyster. Interesting, maybemaybe, that Azriaz was freed from that place by Chuz of Hell, the Lord of Madness. There we circle back to Lovecraft. The characters in his mythology often go mad, almost as a "payment" for knowledge, wisdom or ability, especially artistic ability...
Why didn't they include all the lovecraftian elements in the show it would of brought a new level of depth to television that we are yet to see.
Because D&D are f!@kers
Still the greatest GOT channel on CZcams! Your style of narration dominates all the others. The channel The Order of the Greenland comes close. Well done!
Lightwish Light I really like Alt Shift X as well. They go super deep and you can tell they put of ton of effort into them. Narrator also has a great voice
In Deep Geek is pretty amazing as well. His narration is also beyond great
My man kev at bridge4 is pretty shithot too .order of the green hand are order cool but sometimes they Really over analyse things that r just not there ,but that's what's great with theories and this great series,long may they reign 🔥
Preston sends his regards.
Noeton ,,,,,"Preston sends his regards"lol ,you know nothing NOETON..
By the Seven, I just had a sudden revelation! Dany didn't kill her brother, but by the way that he died she is probably going to get the blame for his death, just as the Bloodstone Emperor is accused for having killed his sister.
in the words of Batman to ra shal gul "I don't have to kill you but that doesn't mean I have to save you either"
It is common knowledge that Khal Drogo dumped molten fire on Viserys face for wielding a weapon inside Vaes Dothrak.
In the Arianne sample chapter from TWOW she does discuss with Daemon Sand about why Dany allowed Khal Drogo to kill her brother. He assumes Dothraki savagery but Arianne assumes that Dany wanted the throne for herself so the spread of this thought could lead to the same Bloodstone tale. Drogo was Dany’s “sun and stars” so it does have some loose parallel to the Church of Starry Wisdom. It can also go with Drogon (name after Drogo) which is a black dragon, a black stone coming from the sky, spewing fire (i.e. light, wisdom).
Brett Thielemier so does euron killed his bro usurped his throne and now sits the sea stone chair that is made from the black oily stone
plot twist: every side is evil
Wouldn't be surprising.
just like the Targaryen civil war
I've previously commented on a conjecture about Rhaego being a necessary sacrifice to bind the dragons (previous video in the playlist). Here at 8:13 we have a mention of a "great grey stallion" seen in the flames of the magical pyre. I think it's quite suggestive of "The Stallion Who Mounts The World". As for they "grey" in the name, I've seen some concept art where Rhaego would be silver haired, so "great grey stallion" could be a reference to his hair color.
This leads me to an alternative intepretation. Perhaps Daenarys son is not dead, but rather was reborn, his soul being given to her dragons, breathing them life. Perhaps the profecy of the great stallion will not go unfulfilled...
And we're not gonna see any of this epic stuff in the show...even Quaithe is MIA
There will be no truly unexpected twist in the show, they will play the favorites till the end.
@@FuckGoogle2 the latest episode was pretty twisty. But of course it can't be as detailed and expansive as the books itd be three times as long. Wed have to find new actors as the ones we have grow into old age!
This sort of deep stuff is not for the regular viewers who can't even remember character names properly.
@@FuckGoogle2 heh
Personally, I take the references to stars to be a confirmation that Quaithe is Shiera Seastar, guiding Dany in the East the same way Bloodraven guides Bran in the North.
However, all this Lovecraft stuff is really interesting and very creepy. Great video as usual!
Cus, y'know they were lovers, and siblings. If one survived all this time, why couldn't the other, especially as it was said she practiced dark magic. She may still be part of the Church of Starry Wisdom though.
Lysa Nissa BR is also guiding Jon, and him and Dany are related, just like BR and SS. So y'know, parallels. Georgie can't get enough of them.
How did i never think of that? Quaithe being Shiera would make a lot of sense, especially with Bloodraven being her counterpart.. what magic is keeping her alive though? fire magic like Melisandre? Rivers wed the Weirwoods for his power
lrresistable Probably something she learnt in Assisi or the Shadowlands. In TWOIAF it says she "bathed in blood to maintain her beauty" (or was that Lady Lothston? Idk)
BR and SS are working together to make sure Jon, Dany and Bran come together to protect Westeros from the Long Night.
BR has been guiding the two Starks, awakening their warning powers and getting Jon elected Lord Commander. Maybe he'll tell Mel how to resurrect him? But he has grander plans. BR knows Jon's parentage; as a fellow Targaryan he wants him on the Iron Throne, with Dany as his queen.
SS is using glass candles to manipulate Danny's dreams, causing her to hatch her dragon eggs and take Slaver's Bay, sending her useful people like Marwyn and warding her off dangerous men like Xaro and Skahaz.
Together, the two Great Bastards will forge a new Targaryen dynasty, one that will thwart the invasion of the Mummer's Dragon (Aegon Blackfyre (and yes he's totally a Blackfyre) and attempt to save mankind from the Others.
But it goes deeper. Perhaps, BR is being manipulated by the Children, maybe they wish to take back their land after the War for the Dawn is over. Who knows? All we know is, WoW will be fucking fantastic!
My theory: The Great Other actually represents the cosmic force of good. R'hllor is the cosmic force of evil. Humans are actually the bad guys in the Song of Ice & Fire. R'hllor spreads lies and deception, while The Great Other brings retributive justice.
"You must pass beneath the shadow." The shadow of her father, the shadow of madness? I would have loved to have seen more fantasy elements in the show.
I think that Dragon-Riders were much more prominent in the ancient past. However, the existence of Dragon-binding Horns has me supposing that, at some point, there were too many dragons and not enough riders who shared that special bond with their mount, and then perhaps a following world-wide infestation of feral dragons which could have easily destroyed all other life on the planet. The Bloodstone Emperor might have been the one to perform some necessary blood ritual to bind dragons to his lineage.
The Others share too much imagery with the armoured knights for me to believe they are just mutated Children of the Forest. Knights are the natural enemy of Dragons, as anyone knows, so I think that the Others are humans who turned to "Ice" worship and magic as a means of defence against the rise of dragons and perhaps other fire-based monstrosities, almost like a reversal of the conflict seen in the main series. The Children would of course be key to this and probably taught the Others their magic, as they know the Song of Earth and perhaps all other forms of elemental magic.
This all is quite a chicken-and-egg dilemma. But I believe that the dragons and fire-demons were the major threat that needed opposing in the beginning, not the Others. I imagine however that at the end of that first great conflict, a pact was signed, and that the Bloodstone Emperor was a key factor in this, perhaps agreeing to never encroach on the territories of the Children and the Others with his new breed of Dragons bound to his bloodline.
The children made the Others to defend the land against the first men but couldn't control them so they helped build the wall
@@michaela6701 Issue is was this confirmed in the books?
@@flowonthego Nope, show only.
Interesting...the valiant men of the dawn age, seeing how overly-strong the fire had grown, turned to the worship of and fealty to ice, and became its paladins. Now in an age when the fires could once again, those ice paladins seek to destroy it, and never mind that in the millennia under the ice, they've become its creatures, its tools to upset the balance, and the paladins of fire will be those who resist them.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
I love when GRRM layers on the existential horror, even those elements outside the series proper and in the "extended universe" of WOIAF.
When I watch your videos, I feel like I have to re-read all the books..
my biggest issue with the whole "ancient ones leveling up the Valyrians" is why didnt those from the shadow just use the power and conquer? also why the Valyrians? why not the andals or the rhoynar or the yitish or the ghiscari?
skizzik121 or the first men?
late reply but I'd imagine it's because the Valyrians lived right by a bunch of volcanoes, which may have been necessary/preferred for breeding dragons or performing any related fired magic
Well early history both in ASOIAF and the real world are a bit conflated with mythology. So the further back in time the less reliable the stories become, and more needs to be questioned
They just happened to be at the right place at the right time? Not everything needs to be always a grand conspiracy, sometimes the explanation is the most simple
I think Mel will have a mind shattering realization that bloodstone is rhllor
interesting
maybe that's the show version of her losing faith in her god because hes actually a demon or evil being
@@wolfsbanealphas617 nope
Your videos are giving me the same feeling I get when I'm reading the books. Dark foggy medieval fantasy feeling. Love your videos! Keep up the good work!:)
Hey, ideasoficeandfire I just thought of something that being when you said “North to south, ice and fire” I instantly thought of Nifleheim (the frozen north most realm in Norse mythology) and Muspelheim (the fiery southern most realm in Norse mythology)
I don't know why I wasn't notified about this video, but I'm glad I found it! Thanks for the great content. Totally agree!
This channel and the order of the green hand are my favorite ASOIF CZcams channels, I love both because they adhere to the book universe entirely. The first 3 seasons of GOT on HBO were great because they stuck to the books, as the show gained speed In popularity it became more and more fan fiction, I can't wait for the next book in this series, I'm hoping in 2018-2019 it finally arrives in our hands.
Danaerys did know what she was doing when she hatched the dragons. Her inner monologue discusses having guessed from the idea of the moon cracking when it got too close to the sun, but the brazier had not been hot enough, then she relates how she realized from the witch that only death could pay for life. She has visions in the chapter before after she has given birth when she is in the fever dream, and the entire funeral pyre scene plays out a vision in the flames in which she sees great wings and massives sails, then the sigils of many of the westerosi Houses. She also sees the shade of the evening trees and the warlocks of the House of the Undying. She recognizes that she is Fire, just as Bran sees Jon as Ice. Stars are fire.
In regards to Quaith's prophecy, "to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow" can easily mean that in order to reach the dawn, they must first experience the Long Night. "To go forward, you must first go back" could possibly refer to Quaith telling Danaerys that she must remember. "To go west you must go east" is admittedly tough as George RR Martin has stated that we will not visit Asshai in the books, but "to go north, you must journey south" can easily reference Dorne and the marriage pact with House Martell.
WoOoOo you give me chills quin!
Excellent video Quinn!!
This is such a great video Quinn!
Excellent video! Full of well thought ideas and evidence that has not come to my attention before.
Underrated theory
Just found this channel. Great job! The narration combined with eerie background music is fantastic.
Interesting. ♡ the artwork you use in your videos, always a treat to watch & listen to 👍
Great work. I really appreciate your videos. Glad I found you.
this is the prequel i want. Thanks for sharing Quinn
Holy shit this is so well thought out. That's why I love this channel so much!
Awesome video, I swear I said Quaithe was literally the symbolic representation of starry wisdom just as you were about to say it.
Dany also has a lot of ties with the real world moon/underworld goddess Hecate. There are far too many to explain here, but the translation for Hecate Phosphorus is actually Hecate light bringer! She is also very much tied to the number three being a triple goddess with three forms of the maiden, the mother and the crone.
I would love to show you all of the stuff I have found in my research, hopefully you might find it worth exploring at some point in the future.
Man oh man what an incredible theory, great job... there’s so much to unpack here I definitely think the Bloodstone emperor wasn’t as evil as the legends make him out to be, and may have actually been a “good guy” I like the idea that he and other members of the Great Empire of the Dawn were dragon lords and taught the Valyrians, maybe the amethyst empress was his NiSsa NiSsa and he was azor ahai? I also love your take that the children became the others and didn’t make them, and that they caused the long Night, not the black stone
I miss these types of vids of yours . So I am rewatching a bunch of them
I love your topics! You got like that Prince voice too. It's hypnotic I can listen to you talk about anything. I'm glad you pick cool shit😎💜🔥 Thanks Q! Just wanted to say...
I really love your voice. I listen to your videos while working and before I go to bed!
How do you consistently make such great videos? Very well done!
This talk of a "force in the north which gives power" transforming people and using cold as a weapon to bring about a "winter that never ends" reminds me of The Coming of the White Worm by Clark Ashton Smith, a contemporary and colleague of Lovecraft.
My theory is the children originally created the Others to fight the Andals, after seeing how they would come and exterminate them in their religious fervor.
ps the Andals never fought the Others it was First men did. The show creators wanted to show that children make the Others to fight the Andals but couldn't because didn't fit timeline. The Others came 8000 years ago. The Andals around 6000, 4000 or 2000 years ago.
The children are very longed lived (maybe even immortal) and they can see through time.
The Others attacked 2000 years after the pact was signed, suggesting that they were created for a future threat and not a past one like the war against the first men.
The only upcoming threat to the children would be from the Andals.
Clearly something went wrong when the others also started attacking the children, so them arriving a few thousand years before they were needed, fits their character.
Are we sith now? Are we just getting stronger through pain
+Hasan Wilson - hi, it's Sidhe, spoken "shee". Under that name, they are Irish lore, nothing else but the Fey/Fay, or faerie - and they're not tinkly at all, but a very "grey" race. Sith is an interesting word, though. Star Wars isn't the only one using them. There are Mord'Sith in Sword of Truth (which is a Long, but ultimately annoying read), and whee are they horrible! Their art is torture, the concept+description sort of sickening, to be honest. But they're not what makes Sword of Truth annoying...
I think everyone grows stronger through pain, not only the sith.
Utterly amazing lore. Fascinating!
I'm not one to believe in fan theories but I totally bought this, it just feels right, thank you!!
This is gold ❤ now I have to reread 🎉
Wow! Fantastic video 👏🏽👏🏽
This is awesome! Thank you!
This is awesome Quinn - I think you're on the money with Quaithe & Mel & also that overall it is the Gods that are playing their game of thrones.
Wouldn't he see dragons steer in the east because the old gods were showing him the dragons coming back?
AWESOME video! Keep it up!
Talk about the yellow king references in the book. It chills the spine.
This is my second favorite theory after LML's moon meteors.
Damnnnnnnn that was deep, liked and shared 👍
You have an amazing reading voice!
IoIaF you've done it again! Great video
This was a great video!!!
Man you layed down layers then dropped bombs watched this one tree times in a row.love it.
This is an awesome video!
The Voice of Velvet a back at it again
Really interesting about the Starry Wisdom, and the promo photo of the Night King for Season 8 (which comes out tomorrow!). The interesting thing about this photo is his *eyes* - they are shaped as *stars* ....
Ah back when we thought it was all gonna mean something in the show.
@@dachitronmagnus5755 True that! RIP our hopes and dreams
Your videos are always so very well thought out and expertly presented. A shame they didn't employ you on the show's writing team! You could have knocked them straight and kept the source material less adulterated.
phenomenal video.
Incredibley good theory, I like it alot :)
Nice, Remember too that Marwyn is likely helping Quaithe and is a member of the Church of Stary Wisdom as well. Additionally to help support your idea, maybe this idea would add to it......
If you look at the Gemstone Emperors and the order that they are supposed to have descended from The God Emperor (who btw had a mom who was the Maiden of Light,was she the Lord of Light's daughter or sister or even one in the same maybe?) the order is 1.Pearl, June-ish 2. Jade , August if you think of it as light green Peridot 3. Tourmaline, Oct/Nov is you think Pink Tourmaline 4 Onyx, January if you understand that most natural onyx is actually red or stripped with red 5. Topaz, Feb/March if you think blue Topaz 6.Opal/Moonstone, May . If you follow that out than Bloodstone which is a deep red stone should be next in place of Ruby for July but instead we are told that he murdered his sister Amethyst(which indicates winter, February) . So what if Amethyst usurped the throne Dance of Dragons style tried some winter monkey business with the world caused the long night and Bloodstone trying to reset the clock kills her. But something goes wrong and it didnt work. The seasons are still trashed and the two go to their separate corners to regroup. but I dont know its just a thought.
Thank You for you videos.
are you saying she became the night queen and that she's the women standing next to euron in aeron vision
Wolfsbane Alphas, no, but I am connecting her family to R'hllor and I am saying that if we believe the common myth that she was killed by her brother Bloodstone than it wasnt Bloodstone who caused the long night. She did by breaking the annual progression symbolized by the Gemstones and Bloodstone tried to stop her but failed in some way because obviously the seasons are still messed up.
Ok I get it but since in the world of ice and fire in other cultures the first born rule regardless of gender couldn't the story we here about him be true but like all family's someone in his direct one casued it since we are all pretty sure the dragonlords are desecneded from his sister who to say he didn't have desended of his own we turn up bad and they killed her
Wolfsbane Many people use the circumstantial evidence of Eye color to connect her to the Valyrains, but who ever said the Valyrians were the good guys. They are objectively bad people. We also dont know that the Valyrians choose the first born over the first born male like the Rhoynish ,( aka Visenya was older than Aegon). It is likely, since the world book specifically says that the Rhoynish let first born regardless of sex inherit, that this is a notable fact and implies that others cultures dont. This was probably only one of many differences that led them to war, just like it did during the Dance when Rhaenyra was chosen over Aegon II. Additionally, and this depends on your understanding of whether magic is fantastically or genetically driven in the story, if dragon riding is a family trait that is passed on through blood lines than both Bloodstone and Amethyst would have inherited the potential to be dragon riders from their father Opal/ Moonstone.
oh ok I feel like by the time a dream of spring comes out we will have the answer to our questions also do you guys think jon snow is supposed to resemeeble the bloodstone empeor doing seemingly bad things but with good intentions
Wow this is so good. Does the 3 eyed raven have anything to do with the church of starry wisdom though?
Did you touch on the red comet in relation to The Starry Wisdom? If so, my bad for not catching it. Reminds me of The Colour Out Of Space by H. P. Lovecraft as well.
The idea of Targaryens passing their blood into other houses/kingdoms, like they did with Volaryons having dragons, is just so cool to me.
Like imagine a Stark dragon rider (targaryen mother) in the north at some point! A change of setting we havent seen before and how theyd style the saddle and such, in a northern way!
There seems to be a motif of history moving in cycles (repeating itself) in the series that no one ever talks about.
Great video
You should read scary stories you definitely have the voice for it I gots goosebumps lmao 😂
I think the long night coincided with an astronomical occurrence like a meteor strike or mega-eruption somewhere that ushered in a volcanic winter and that this situation was taken advantage of by various malevolent forces
✨️GREAT✨️ VIDEOS Q 💯💯🔥 I've out your videos on sooo many playlists I make for asoiaf. my toxic trait is I never go back to play the playlists😅😭🤷♀️ I start a new one and then let it go auto pkay🙃🙃 my AFHD plays too much 🫠🫠🫠 loving the videos tho. sorry to be late af about it. you out Hella work in them and I appreciate that!!💯✨️✨️🫶
There is a temple of Starry Wisdom in Braavos.
I am just curious at this point but what role do you think the harpy played in all of this? I have come to believe the B.S.E. summoned the harpy as its mythology fits pretty well with it being a "haunter of the dark," especially if you go with its physical description. It more closely resembles a manticore in human mythology.
Do you think it is just a mythological creature or possibly a stylized dragon? I feel like it is pretty prominently featured and it would be weird if it came to nothing.
justin smith or perhaps, a reference to the "Winged-Men"?
Intriguing.
Can you do a video on the Thinking machines of Dune?
Very interesting Theory . If your theory is correct who or what do you think was Misa misa ? Keep up the good work!
WE NEED MORE ASOIAF THEORY VIDEOS POR FAVOR
Great God's... It's nice to have been surprised by what someone else takes away from ASOIAF...
I definitely think we are getting half told truths and perspectives. Just look at how House Daynes founding mirrors The Bloodstone Emperor's worship of a meteor.
Totally sounded like Stannis when you were speaking about bloodstone emperor
What about the mith that says that when the bloodstone emperor started a cult arround the black stone, the maiden made of light turned his back against humanity? Why would that story exists if the bloodstone emperor was the one that awakaned the powers of the "fire-light-shadow" entity? Wouldnt make sense that fire magic and all that stuff already existed and was the mystical reason why people from the empire created a religious figure called "maiden made of light"?
Idk if it has been mentioned, but quaithe also seems to bear some similarities with Hastur, if you’re drawing from lovecraftian themes.
2:08 maybe I’m looking at this to literally but to me that means one of the things, one go back to the start of your Journey or two go back to where it all started, if it is either of those you then have to work out where they mean, is the start of your journey the place you where born or the place you started to make your own choices?
Starry wisdom planned it all!
MAN IOIF is tha shit ,narration off tha hook.thnx true treat .
I had already 'liked' this episode when I re-watched it today. I don't remember all this! Would you say, in summary, WE are the 'small folk' being heedlessly trampled in the strivings of 'gods' who care nothing for our feeble existence, other than some small use they may make of us?
Not a matter of right and wrong, just taking sides with the hopeful winner?
Have you ever read the theory of Quaithe’s Circle? From madeinmyr. It draws out a pretty clear map.
It has an interesting connection to the Church of the Seven, imo. They are also very starry, but instead of fire, they seem closer to ice. The crystal crown of the high septon in the books reminds me of Night King crown in the show.
Look at the Targaryen colors... Black and red, fire and blood... Shadow, heat, fire. And if the heart of darkness is fiery... then could the heart of winter be alive with light? Language that describes the Others. And crystals.
And the Arryn colors could hint at that. White and blue. Ice and light?
It would be nice if Martin could explain everything. Tolkein did a great job telling the reader how things came to be. Your not left hanging trying to guess what started everything or how everything came to be and left no stones unturned. All of Tolkeins books are great. I know his son finished some of the books and he did a damn good job. Martin thinks leaving the reader hanging makes for great books. I don't think so!
Where did you get the uber cool background music?????
Bro I wanna get into lovercraft, is the story of chthulu like a proper book series or is it like short stories
And house Dayne is also connected to the stars. It all makes sense.
Maybe Valyrians and the Daynes both descend directly from the Bloodstone Emperor. He is the brother of the amethist empress. Maybe they both had purple eyes, which gave her her name. He could have killed his sister to forge lightbringer and he is Azor Ahai, with the amethist empress being Nissa Nissa. It is possible that Valyrian incest began way earlier. And after the war for the dawn the Daynes decided to stay in Westeros with Lightbringer.
The Order of the Green Hand theorized that the first Dayne was a god who descended from the stars and played a crucial role in ending the long night. This could be the BSE.
The Daynes are from The Empire of Dawn. Let get this straight the Bloodstone Emperor and Azor Ahai are the same person? but WHAT was the act to bring the Long Night in the first place?. And why he would the do act in the first place?. Then turn around fix the problem that he cause?.
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Quinn already pointed that out. He theorizes that the Children of the forest were responsible for the long night. A small group of them received immense power from the Great Other, a power they sought in order to fight the first men, who they couldn't match in battle. With this power they became the Others and began a brutal campaign against the first men and the remaining Children, beginning the long night.
As for your point about the Daynes being from the Great Empire of the Dawn. The BSE himself is from the Empire of the Dawn. Since he is the first man who wielded Dawn (or Lightbringer), it can be said that the Daynes are from the Great Empire of the Dawn, since the BSE would be the first Dayne. Besides, the symbolism that the blade Dawn carries can refer to things other than the Daynes came from the Great Empire of the Dawn.
thanks for answering my question but I still doubt about this theory but it does make sense. I believe the poster above he believe that BSE kill his sister not because he wanted the throne but maybe she was trying to take from him. In the line of succession who is truly next in line?.
Hey IOIAF, when is Ultimate Guide to Dune Part 4: Children Of Dune coming out?🤔
It will be out within the next few days, it is my #1 priority right now!
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Man GRRM could take this series to something absolutely bonkers if he wants to
Was a really good theory.....except Martin has already stated explicitly that we will not see Asshai in ASOIAF.
Asshai is not the Shadow.
Well that's kinda pedantic..."Asshai-by-the-shadow", he's also said that the Land of Always Winter and the grey waste are NOT connected by land (although Westeros is certainly spherical). This is kinda confusing when given what he also says about the Others coming from the grey waste too, it might be that when people say things like this to him (usually at cons) he is forced to deny it on stage or else give away plot points. These are some of the best theories IMO surrounding the overall nature of the world, and then he just goes "nope" haha!
+Melodic Meerkat - hi, at this point I no longer care bout "canon" or what Martin said. Inspiration and creativity are all the legitimation a content producer needs. The published material has been vivisected almost ad infinitum. I love it when people grab a piece of story and run with it, making it their own. Inspiration, as I said - if what they tell is good, I'm happy (:
@Brett Thielemier I like how you compared euron to Odin that fits perfectly
@@FirCorred Sure, but that teeters on fan fiction, and that's something Martin absolutely despises.
Hey great video man, do you know whats the name of the artist of the thumbnail illustration?
Emperor advanced by chasestone on DeviantArt
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