Eminence DV-77 vs Celestion G12M 65 Creamback vs Jensen Tornado Stealth 65
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- A video comparison between:
- Jensen Tornado Stealth 65
- Celestion G12M 65 Creamback
- Eminence DV-77
Special thanks to Aidas Greblikas for all the camera and recording work.
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----------------In a mix / Solo
Stealth 65 -> 3:49 / 4:45
Creamback -> 4:05 / 5:06
DV-77 -> 4:21 / 5:28
Thanks!
Thanks for adding time stamps! Think I prefer the jensons!
@@Rooster7six jensen* lol
@@matrixmodulator Bwahahahaha autocorrect! Jensen 🤘🏻
The real MVP! Doing the OPs job
I was looking at a DV-77 to replace my Creamback M, but now I'm looking at that Jensen! Such a wonderful cut in the mix.
I love this jensen, it sounds so different them the standards speakers.
Jensen is my favorite!
Definitely going for that Jensen.
So much tone and definition.
The Jensen Stealth 65 has a lot of mid-range and works great with mid-scooped amps like the Rectifier.
Jensen all the way! I really love the growling mids in that one and is sound more opened than the other two
The Jensen Tornado Stealth 65 proved to be the perfect speakers for my old Traynor YCS100H2. That amp sounded god awful with Vintage 30. For those who don't know about the YCS100H2, its mid-range is even more scooped than a Rectifier, but it has very shrill peaky upper mids. The mids on it are scooped to the point that even Vintage 30 can't fix it. The fat mid-range on the Stealth 65 fixed its tone
Excellent video. I just ordered 4 DV77s but those Jensen speakers are making me think twice. They all sound lovely but the Jensen's really stand out in a musical way
The Creamback has a really high fizz to the upper freq. The Jensen sounded great. I put a DV77 in my 6505+ combo so far i like it. In this video the jenson sounds the best
I bought a high quality cab (agile) and now I'm looking at these Creamback sperakers .. I'm wondering if these speakers are really just not suited for high gain ... certainly they were not designed for it .. they sell for quite a premium so I'm wondering if I should just liquidate them and go for a Vintage 30, a Jensen like this or a Celestion Governor and pocket the difference in money.
Definitely giving it to the Stealth 65. I was interested in the DV-77s, but I think I will be looking back into the Stealth 65s.
yeah the stealth is special. It's my favorite ;)
The Jet Tornado line definitely has a lot of tope end presence and that brings a lot of attack but there can be a lot of bass as well. I have the Jensen Tornado Classic 100, It works much better now that I found a good preamp/ power tube combination for it. The DV-77 sounds a bit better then what I heard in other videos that had it.
Great video! All speakers sound good!
Next time just make sure to adjust the volume between them a little better.
The Jensen (as great as it is) sound too good cause it's too loud.
Thanks Kristian! Yeah, I've noticed that after the fact! :D
Yes, first I was intrigued but the DV-77 has more defined mids over the other "guys". But I doubt it matters for the general Metal listeners. The music, the riffing, the unique approach and creativity will hopefully decide about what is trending next. In the beginning Slipknot wasn't really well known for their great sound. It was a bit trashy.
@@InTheSh8 Of course, but that gear hunting is just in our DNA as guitarists haha :D
@@InTheSh8 I think as they came across more money they had more time and ability to start putting more into honing a tone. I can say the same for myself. I played with a really basic rig in high school and college. Now that I have some money, I can experiment more. Probably true of most bands, actually.
@@david-no I'm at a point where I just don't spend too much money in software or gear. I tested Gojira and Nolly, recently. I have to say I was impressed. But then I played my Audioassault Sigma again, decided for one certain drumsound and switched through all IRs Audio Assault offers. I found the exact IR that fits to the drumsound and I suddenly understood what's really important. A single good guitar sound can absolutely sound rubbish if the IR doesn't fit the mix or more precisely the drums. In terms of "feeling" I'd give a slight edge towards Neural DSP. But really, I'm not dying to buy it. I had already people writing me on Bandlab that my sound was terrific when I used a Nalex Gerbert with an IR from my 20 Euro SS-11x (Mercuriall). Real Gear, hmm, I think my JCA22h with a TS-clone and no one would care live. Could even hide it and put a Boogie or Marshall there instead! That's an opinion. I had a 5150 already, Engl Screamer, but I remember I was always searching for something, never really satisfied.
The Jensen sounds great in this upload! Definitely my favorite
i liked the bigger crunchy grit in the bottom and not harshful highs of that Jensen. Cheers! thanks for sharing.
I have 2 Neo Creambacks (PPC212V) sitting next to me that I love, and came here to hear the DV-77, I'm floored that I prefer the Jensen and to think it almost didn't make the video!
Hey yo, powered screwdriver my dudes :) thanks for this, I won a G12M but am currently interested in the DV-77 having heard it’s ‘meatier’ than the V30. Similar to the Swampthang without being so dark. WOW, actually prefer the Jensen \m/
Thanks for the comment!
Jensen has more Midrange (British vocal), Celestion and Eminence are pretty close by themselves
Agree!
It's amazing how that Jensen sounds!
The Jensen Tornado Stealth 65 👌😎👍
I find them quite a-like tonewise but being mostly different on the midrange: Jensen is the most aggressive, then the eminence and the Celestion.
Yeah, the Jensen is a bit more old school I would say and the DV/celestion are more modern :)
DV-77 slays
I use the Creamback H and the Vintage 30 Anniversary Edition in Marshall 2X12 cabinet and get killer results for all music.
The Jensen is a bit more overpowering in the lower mids (at least on my monitoring setup), The creamback sits a bit further back in the mix, but that might not be a bad thing. All of them sound good
Thumbs up for the Jensen
They do sound super similar but I like the Dv77 a bit more. It's got better highs for me
Try the Redback. It's my go to. Replaced most of my speakers.
the jensen has a nice upper mid push that cuts the mix better than the other two speakers and Its the best sounding to me.
Agree, my favorite speaker! although you can argue that other spekaers might leave space for vocals and bass to cut through, but it all depends on the mix and the style :)
I think the Jensen Tornado line sounds amazing for leads and Djenti stuff. I find you can role off the tone knob a little too dial back the top end and it warms up the tone with them. Well at least it works with the Tornado Classic.
DV-77 is just perfect! Agressive and not to harsh!
I agree!
The DV-77 is amazing! Just like a V30 but less good
dv77 looks and sounds like it may replace the v-30 as best extreme metal speaker
i have swamp thing and texas heat in 2X12 and a dv-77 pre-oordered for my 1x12
The creambacks feel the most scooped . Dark and high end shine. The jensens feel somewhat similar but with a fuller midrange, doesn’t really sound scooped, then the eminence sounds the thickest and least open .
I have an eminence in a blackstar and it sounds tight and aggressive. It doesn’t have that high end fizz celestions seem to have which can be annoying and basically impossible to dial out.
But, the high ends adds a bit of a vocal springiness to riffs, whereas the eminence tends to feel stiff in comparison .
The Jensen seems like an in between . I think celestion mixed with Jensen would be a good mix. I’m not crazy about celestion high end fizz but I feel they are more nuanced sounding than eminence.
For aggressive tight chug thug though? Eminence. And if the eminence sounds too dark then just look for a brighter one. Bright eminences seem to sound less airy than bright celestions anyways.
I feel like a bright eminence would sound closer to a tighter /thicker 65 creamback .
The cream back had a nice natural midrange dip to it with high gain which was interesting. Great video! Thanks
I have this Jensen TS65 in a Laney VC30 and sounds great. I love it
It would be nice to hear these again with volume adjustments. Also, maybe a CL80, C90 and/or K100?
Now just combine the Stealth 65 and the DV-77 together into one cab and you're set!
Haha, They are in the same cab now!
Love the video! The sound you dialed in on the amp does favor the Celestion & Eminence, but all three speakers sound amazing. Keep up the good work!
Well I guess it's a preference thing, I really enjoy the Jensen as well!
Hello friend from Great Russia!
I'll tell you how I play without changing speakers in a Mesa 412 cabinet: I like to play old school death metal with two amps in one Mesa 412 cabinet. One in a pair of 4 ohms and the other amp in another pair of 4 ohms speakers. Versatility is beyond praise! And you don't need to change speakers. Just tune one amp fatter and the other drier and it will always be an unforgettable experience!
I play on:
mesa triple rectifier rev.G mod pot gain 1MΩ
mesa mark IV rev.A 1991
Peavey Triple xxx.
Guitar: Dean Explorer Z Amber Custom (time capsule)
Yes, listening again stuff... Neo speakers are too "hard" with 2k and so on, almost cutting the ears with some time hearing through it, I'll comeback to creambacks
G12M-65 Creamback is the best i’ve ever heard. I’m sure my old open back Peavey combo would love it
Which was best in room? Surprisingly, I liked the jenson the best! 🤯
Yeah Jensen is my favorite!
@@AmendedOfficial I gotta try some!
Jensen reminded me of a 75 creamback. Impressive!!
Sorry if i missed it but did the mic and all the position of cab and mic, signal chain etc were the same between all the examples? The creamback sounds really good, a bit less mid scooped than the dv77 and i like it. Stealth65 is nice but maybe a bit too mids for me.
All had the same mic position, distance from the speaker and the same signal path. I agree with your findings :) I really like the Jensen, but all speakers are great :)
I wonder if the jensen and dv77 would make a solid combo?
I just got my dv77 today.. I paired it with a creamback in my 212.. I also have a couple v30s and 4 g12 t 75's .. I'm gonna experiment until I find the right combo
Congrats man!
Yeah that jensen sounds amazing
You do not by any chance have a comparison of the jensen speaker to a v30?
Give the Celestion Redbacks and K100 a try and don't look back. UK V30/Redback is also insane.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I was kind of thinking the same thing after watching the six hour video of the current line of Celestions from the Hop Pole Studio channel.
Watching this I wanted to give you a drill or impact driver.
Haha :D yeah, we need more tools in the studio :)
Jensen and Emenince sounded really close to each other. Celestion had a more scooped sound.
The DV pretty much just sounds like the creamback with a little more aggressive mid range in it
The M creamback sounds great with the EVH 5150.
Unlike V30’s
Jensen Tornado Stealth 65 sounds glorious/
I'have two dv-77 and for me is the perfect metal speaker!
Very good speaker indeed!
Low mid heavy?
3 of my favorite speakers. nicely done. Jensen tornado song mix was too loud though. made it sound extra killer! lol. all great speakers though.
Jensen 65 Stealth
The Jensen to me sounded best. The other 2 sounded the same and sounded mid scooped (1983).
Yeah the stealth is very mid forward :)
The creamback had this really buzzing bee overtone to it … the DV-77 is better … I like the Stealth 65 best
DV77 all the way!
I am surprised by the Jenson!
I am glad you enjoyed the video!
@@OsmiumStudios I just ordered the speaker for my PRS MT15 with matching 12” cab!
Can’t wait to try it out for myself!
Hmmm I can’t hear any difference between the two. So I think your right about it being a copy or sounding near identical.... I wanted the mick Thomson speaker but need my 212 to be 8 ohm so can’t get it. Think the celestial would sound good mixed with a vintage 30? Or what would you put with a vintage 30 in a Mesa horizontal cab?
There is a bit of difference in the mid range and the low end, but it's pretty close! I would recommend the Mesa voiced V30. You can buy them at their website. Great speaker ;)
Try the Redback!
Love the Jensen
3:50 thank god its some heavy riffage !!!!!
I am glad you enjoyed!
It's not good comparison b/c you're tone sounds too incredible to start with! They all sound pretty killer : )
Thanks a lot!
Celestion a tad brighter maybe then the Emminence? Jensen has more mids. They all sound good. What are the prices?
I think your observations are correct. I have no idea on the prices now :)
Thinking of getting 2 Stealth 65s & 2 Eminence DV-77s for my 4x12 cab... do you think the Jensen would mix well with the DV-77 like it did with the V30 in Kohle’s video?
Another question: Can I possibly get 2 of the Jensen, and pair it with 1 DV-77 and 1 Creamback 75? Or would the mix sound irreversibly unbalanced in a way?
Hey! thanks for watching. I have the DV 77 and Stealth in my 2x12 and they do work very well together :) If your main goal is to record and have variety of sounds I would say put all 4 different speakers, then you can mix and match whatever works in your mix, if you are looking for a rehearsal sound I would go with 2 speaker mix :) Anyway if you go with Stealth 65 and DV 77 you are covered as Jensen can cover all the rock, doom and stoner stuff and DV can cover the modern sounds and since you have both anything in between haha ;) hope this helps!
@@AmendedOfficial thanks for the help, I really appreciate it! Yeah, I plan to record using 4 mics so that’s why I’d like different tones, and I play doom/death and some black metal, as well as a bit of post rock so I also care about clean tones. You read my mind with the classic/modern difference between the speakers and how I’d like to use them! Haha, thanks again for the reply!
hurray up!!!!
are they 8 or 16ohms speakers individually ?
hey! all are 8ohms;)
Jensen sounds very rock n roll while DV77 & Creamback M sounds more modern metally to me.
Agreed!
Question : What song was used for the video?
Love that tornado, would it take drop tuning well? Like A standard and drop f. What kind of guitar is that by the way? Thanks for the awesome video.
Hey Michael, I am glad you liked the video. I assume the speaker would work well on low stuff. It has a nice and rich midrange. The guitar is my Grosmann custom :) Cheers!
The jensen clearly stand appart, but those DV77 and creamback are indeed very similar sounding and no matter witch one somebody may prefer in a A/B test like this, i'd say there is definitely not a difference worth spending more than 1.5X the price. Seriously eminence almost 200€ for a stomped steel basket 12" speaker ?? Are you serious ? I've always felt like celestion where a bit pushing it in terms of price vs manufacturing cost, but eminence managed to go even deeper in the let's screw our consumer up.
I thought the DV77 was around 130USD, that is what I payed for it (excluding shipping from US and taxes). It really depends where you are located as Celestion is a British company and Eminence is based in US :) Anyway both great speakers and you cannot go wrong with any of these :)
DV-77 BEEFY and articulate love it
Well is it a copy?
It's for me to decide :) I am not into putting my personal conclusions into other people minds ;) It's pretty similar, but is it a copy? only you can decide :)
Damn, I was tempted to order some DV-77s, but seeing as I already have a Creamback M65 loaded cab, that seems redundant now. Thanks!
HA HA, they are a bit different, but very slightly. It's nice to hear I could help! ;)
Nice speaker shootout. I'm thinking about pairing a dv-77 with either stealth 80 or stealth 65. Having played both, do you think they pair well together?
Yes, both of them have unique sound. And they do pair very well. I have not tried the stealth 80 version. I know it is voiced differently.
Ouch, you actually have to remove the corners to remove the back baffle?! Great video! Subscribed!
It's a cab that was made by my friend, so we used a compromised corners so yeah ;D Thanks!
@@AmendedOfficial Nice! It looks GREAT, I assumed it was an off the shelf cab of some kind! Your friend did great work!
I'm honestly pretty impressed with that Jensen, and also kind of shocked at how similar the DV-77 sounds to the Creamback. Very interesting.
@@BrandonBames I am glad you liked the video!
What would the Stealth mix well with??
i saw your other video that you used eminence governors. can you make a shoutout the Governor, Greenback, and Jensen Stealth 65. that will be a Battle of British Speakers. thank you and God bless!!!
No longer have the governor :) maybe someday when I have more money haha :D
Is the DV-77 bright in your opinion or a more subdued treble?
I would say it is very balanced not as harsh as V30. Maybe a little scooped and tight low end.
Dv 77🔥🔥
Hey the creamback and dv-77 are sooooo close sounding, are you sure you used the correct files and there was no errors in the video montage ?
There is no error for sure ;) We recorded the celestion, and then recorded eminence. You can even hear the shift in the midrange and low end ;)
@@AmendedOfficial okay, yes, but so similar, even the same speaker model sometimes has more difference than this between 2 in the same cab
@@matrixmodulator Can you see this wooden logo on the cab? If you check the clips from celestion and eminence the mic is on the same side. We recorded the celestion first before changing speakers. The fail was that when we changed the celestion, instead of recording eminence we recorded jensen (in the video you can see that there is no logo on that side) and at the end we recorded Eminence (again the correct side). There could not physically be a mistake as we recoded each speaker once and we ourselves were amazed how similar they are in the studio listening :) So the answer is unless DV 77 magically was in my cab before I installed it there is no way that there is a mistake :D haha
Which one had the most low-mids growl and less treble harshness in your opinion?
Jensen
@@OsmiumStudios thank you very much! I had the right impression then.
So does the DV77 sound like a creamback 65m in the room? The video it sounds like the DV has a lot more bottom end
I would say DV77 sounded tighter and more refined to me. I really don't remember if I've noticed anything in the low end though. Cheers!
@@AmendedOfficial thanks for responding! I ordered DV77’s like 3 months ago, my sales rep said it’s going to be a LOOONG time because they’re having supply chain issues.
@@Rooster7six Yeah I've heard that. I've ordered mine way back when there were some signed by Mick himself. I hope you will get em soon man!
@@AmendedOfficial lmao now my rep said they will be here next week. 🤦🏻♂️
@@Rooster7six Let me know how you like em once you get them ;)
You move the mic placement on each speaker... unfair sound comparison imo
Bought the jensen because of this video. Lucky accident
Hehe...tube amp goes brrrrr XD
Power drill is Much Faster... Just sayin'
Good video! 🤘
Thanks!
Doesn't sound like a clone to me, no.
try eminence , "cannabis rex"! Fire!