Lezione del prof. Giancarlo Rinaldi presso la sede italiana di Como della Shepherd International University. Il tema è la storia del cristianesimo antico.
Sono un appassionato di cristianesimo antico e da oltre vent'anni conduco le mie ricerche personali sull'argomento. Il libro del prof.Rinaldi e' un autentico capolavoro, l'ho acquistato l'anno scorso, un testo di grande valore che gli appassionati di questa materia devono possedere assolutamente.
ho studiato 5 anni la teologia e la storia della Chiesa, onestamente devo dire che ho avuto ottimi professori, ma uno come il Prof. Rinaldi ci sarebbe stato utile, anche solo per una conferenza come questa. Bravissimo ricercatore e straordinario comunicatore.
Lei mi era anticipato. Ho superato il pregiudizio. Ora non solo mi è simpatico ma la trovo estremamente bravo. Il più bravo di tutti quelli che ho sentito su CZcams. Grazie ancora
caro professore, la ringrazio per le sue preziose lezioni. Mancava nel panorama evangelico una voce autorevole come la sua. Spero che lei non si fermi di studiare e darci quello che il buon Dio le mette in cuore di darci. Il suo esempio sproni tanti giovani a intraprendere studi, a imparare le lingue antiche, per conoscere meglio la Sacra Scrittura perchè possiamo possiamo annunciare con spiritualità e conoscenza anche storica la bellezza del Vangelo che salva, Dio la benedica.
Interessantissima lezione. È un vero piacere starla ad ascoltare, professore. Il suo carisma è tale, che anche l'alunno più svogliato penso possa appassionarsi all'argomento. Complimenti.
There are three precise and very specific points of knowledge that anyone wanting to know about Christianity, needs to be aware of and then as a consequence of that awareness, understand (in order to open a different possible way of seeing and hearing about the way). Wether to sustain their faith or simply to understand. Before that I will add a comment I wrote in relation to a different topic which makes possible and build's up the awareness and the understanding of the three precise and very specific points, and it (the comment) is this.....! I will suggest a possible way to see, hear, think, do and be with anything, everything, especially on earth, and I believe it is connected very much with what the literary work (and similar to) which made Dante known to the western civilization especially are. That of succession of many ways and forms (from before the gospels and after the gospels) of pointing out a very important and most crucial understanding in relation to existence, the being in any form on this planet and as a consequence the universe. And it (theatrons) to this.....! At any point of a location or a measured period, when anyone is introduced to (by anyone else), or hears, thinks, and begins to point out to anyone else by themselves also.....! That the system is wrong, the system needs changing, the system is not working or it is working, the system is against anyone, that anyone needs or should fight the system, we/you need to change the system, you/we can or cannot change the system, outside of the system, inside of the system etc etc etc, and this being from any position possible, be that from an (oppressed/poor or power/rich)......! Anyone needs to understand and understand quick, that the whole process of that type of reasoning, thinking and acting is a trick, and often, a very powerful illusion. Because the system is anyone, everyone, everything, you and me is the system. The ability of anyone to look is the system, the ability of anyone to eat is the system, the ability of anyone to speak is the system, the ability of anyone to hear is the system, the ability of anyone to reproduce is the system, the ability of anyone to learn is the system, the ability of anyone to teach is the system, the ability of anyone to move/walk is the system, the ability of anyone to drink is the system, the ability of anyone to pray or not pray is the system, the ability of anyone to build or dismantle anything is the system, the ability of anyone to fight or make peace is the system, the ability of anyone to learn/teach or not learn/teach is the system etc etc And that means .....! Being against or pro the system means you are against or pro yourself to begin with and against or pro anyone else just like you to end with. Changing or not changing the system, means you or someone else have to change or not change. Fighting or not fighting the system, means you or someone else have to fight or not fight yourself. Can or cannot change the system, means you or someone else can or cannot change yourself. The being right or wrong of the system, means that you or someone else are right or wrong. The working or not working of the system, means that you or someone are not working or working. The must or the mustn't change of the system, means you or someone else must or mustn't change. The system being against or not against anyone, means you or someone else are against or not against anyone including your very own self. The being inside or outside the system, means you or someone else are outside or inside your very own selfs........etc etc Once this is understood, then anyone can see clearly that it makes an absolute no sense whatsoever in relation to a "system" that is not you, but some obscure force, wether from a position of being oppressed/poor or powerful/rich, yourself or anyone else. Instead a different understanding takes hold once the system is your very own self or anyone else. Then questions in relation to (a change or not, working or not, being right or not, fighting it or not, a must or a mustn't, being against or not, can or cannot change), once asked at any location or period, by your very own self or anyone else related or not, for all the reasons, logic, faith or science have a different meaning, and as a consequence have a different answer, but most importantly have a different understanding. Take the example of being in what is known as a peaceful existence of contact. If that is true with the anyone, then the how and why will be very clear. If that is not true with anyone then the how, and why will also be very clear, or at minimum it will manifest itself at its basic structure once asked. Anyone including your very own self is using any methods or means in pointing out the system as a separate force of whatever character, they either are in full deceiving and dishonest mode (for all the reasons, logic, faith and science) or are fully immersed in being the very trick and illusion I am giving a possible description off. Learning how to control your very own self, help's anyone control their very own self. Controlling your very own self, gives you an understanding of the other in relation to that, and as a consequence gives anyone control over the system, which means and is anyone, everyone and everything. Meaning....! If anyone or anything is giving or selling your very own self in all the possible combinations of being, to your very own self..... and that anyone or anything is not your actual very own self......! Then a question, more precisely a succession of questions should be raised, and raised as quickly as possible (for an answer, even in the case when that anyone or anything is your very own self). I would argue that, in the case when your very own self is doing so (such as giving or selling to yourself, you), then the questions should be more serious in asking and in answering. Achieving in the process an independence of free will control over the system. The three precise and very specific points of awareness and as a consequence of that awareness the understanding of Christianity are.....! One: Anyone should understand what did the people living in the Mediterranean known as Greek (long before the period of Christ, during the period of Christ and after the period of Christ), meant by when stating that (no human being/person/Greek should drink ((wine)) without water added to it). And most importantly.... Why? Once that is made aware, understood and as consequence is/being with.......! Then the second precise and very specific point should be made aware off, understood and as a consequence be with. And that is, has to do in relation with, the first miracle. That of turning (water to wine) at the wedding of (Cena). Most importantly....! The why and how. After the two precise and very specific points, the third and most importantly crucial point remains......! That of being aware, knowing, understanding and as a consequence being with the fact, that in relation to Christ and as a consequential relation, to Christianity.....! Only one story (literally) is of valid weight, one that is told in four (let's say different breathings), and these four (different breathings) have been agreed to go forward with and within. Know by all as the four gospels. Not the letters, other books or revelations can (literally) override the gospels, nor add or take anything away from. The letters, the revelations or any other books related/included or not, cannot do anything else but fit with and within the gospels (the story with and within the gospels) by default, and not by choice. Making in turn one very crucial importance in being. That of.....! The gospels (the story with and within the gospels) will in the end and always, make anyone understand letters, revelations or any other books related/included or not. Not the other way around. (Note: Once three such precise and very specific points are with and within anyone in being, then a sentence that has brought much debate and argument all the way to the extremes of what debates and arguments can bring in being as a reality of combinations in existence, is easier to think over, with and within the language used. The sentence is known as ..............!.(The son of man.) And in the exact same structure of making use of three precise and very specific points, anyone has to first be aware and understand two words. These being (Aftos ((and)) Anthropos). Once the awareness and the understanding of these two words, then anyone has to be aware and understand one word (while knowing that there is no word that represents, what is known as a dead human body). This word being (Anthropology). Once the awareness and understanding of this one word after the two words, then anyone has to be aware and understand that......! You can not do (shouldn't even attempt), you can only be (should only be). Wether the two words, the one word, or the sentence, that has caused much debate and arguments, all the way to the extremes.
Buongiorno professre, ho ascoltato con interesse questa sua introduzione al Cristianesimo antico e sono rimasto colpito, pur essendo io un neofita, della chiarezza e della facilità con cui ha spiegato i vari concetti. Le vorrei chidere se anche il libro ha la stessa chiarezza e la stessa facilità di lettura pur trattandosi di un argomento complesso. Grazi mille.
" dopo pochi decenni" non mi risulta fosse così diffuso il cristianesimo. Nel mondo greco magari, ma nel nord ovest dell'impero? Comunque diffusione a macchia di leopardo. Mi dica se sbaglio
Buonasera Prof. Rinaldi. Lieto di parlare con lei. Mi chiamo Maurizio Colella. Volevo chiederle se il battesimo dei neonati era già una prassi consolidata ai tempi apostolici o se invece è stato istituito nel II secolo. Grazie. Cord. Saluti.
Peras imposuit Iuppiter nobis duas: Propriis repletam vitiis post tergum dedit, Alienis ante pectus suspendit gravem. Hac re videre nostra mala non possumus, Alii simul deliquunt censores sumus.
All' inizio esistevano tanti gruppi cristiani che avevano posizioni diverse,poi arrivò l' imperatore Costantino che con in Concilio fece sparire tutti questi gruppo e promosse solo una dottrina.
Ma soprattutto con Teodosio I con il suo editto di Tessalonica, il Cunctos Populos (anno 380) che Impose il cristianesimo, praticato ad Alessandria e Roma, come religione dello Stato ! -
Prima di Paolo non esistono i cristiani ma soltanto gnostici. Prima di Costantino non esiste il cristianesimo di cui fu il vero fondatore. Quella dottrina assoluta è rimasta invariata fino ai giorni nostri nonostante i vari concili e tentativi di riforma.
@@antoniopezzella8232 vorrei mi nominassi un premio Nobel, uno storico o uno scienziato non Cristiano ( che poi ci sono tipo 8000 culti diversi all’interno del cattolicesimo !!) ma religioso! Dimmene uno! Al massimo qlc che lo fa per Politica per farsi dare voti dalle pecore come voi! Satana?😂😂😂😂😂 Figlio mio stai messo male molto male..
Ma questo è quello che le Adi hanno delegato per dimostrare la loro estraneità agli ambienti massonici? Per carità sig. Rinaldi lei ha tutto il diritto di essere massone, ma trovo lesivo alla mia intelligenza che lei pur ricoprendo un ruolo preciso debba smentire hai credenti Adi che le ADI stesse siano estranee agli stessi ambienti da lei frequentati😅😇 come far dire al dirigente di Gazprom che la Russia non ci manda il gas😅 veramente trovo tutto questo uno scherzo! Appunto stiamo scherzando 😅😅
Mio caro "partite iva al collasso", cioè persona anonima, lei trova lesivo alla sua intelligenza ciò che io dico; dal canto mio trovo lesivo al galateo che lei non si presenti ma parli in modo anonimo e trovo lesivo alla grammatica italiana che lei usi "hai" (con h) in luogo di "ai". Ignorante. Vada prima ad apprender le norme di comportamento e quelle della grammatica elementare e poi ardisca impegnarsi in discorsi storici, molto, troppo più alti di lei.
Sono un appassionato di cristianesimo antico e da oltre vent'anni conduco le mie ricerche personali sull'argomento. Il libro del prof.Rinaldi e' un autentico capolavoro, l'ho acquistato l'anno scorso, un testo di grande valore che gli appassionati di questa materia devono possedere assolutamente.
Sintesi tra preparazione e capacità di trasmettere ed appassionare l'interlocutore. Complimenti
ho studiato 5 anni la teologia e la storia della Chiesa, onestamente devo dire che ho avuto ottimi professori, ma uno come il Prof. Rinaldi ci sarebbe stato utile, anche solo per una conferenza come questa. Bravissimo ricercatore e straordinario comunicatore.
Lei mi era anticipato. Ho superato il pregiudizio. Ora non solo mi è simpatico ma la trovo estremamente bravo. Il più bravo di tutti quelli che ho sentito su CZcams. Grazie ancora
caro professore, la ringrazio per le sue preziose lezioni. Mancava nel panorama evangelico una voce autorevole come la sua. Spero che lei non si fermi di studiare e darci quello che il buon Dio le mette in cuore di darci. Il suo esempio sproni tanti giovani a intraprendere studi, a imparare le lingue antiche, per conoscere meglio la Sacra Scrittura perchè possiamo possiamo annunciare con spiritualità e conoscenza anche storica la bellezza del Vangelo che salva, Dio la benedica.
Sia come studente che come cameraman, ricordo con piacere quel giorno!
Interessantissima lezione. È un vero piacere starla ad ascoltare, professore. Il suo carisma è tale, che anche l'alunno più svogliato penso possa appassionarsi all'argomento. Complimenti.
Appena acquistato il libro. Non vedo l’ora arrivi!
Chiaro e ricco di contenuti.Grazie
Auguri e salute dal Brasile Professore!
Interessantissima lezione!
Professore DIO ONIPOTENTE ti BENEDICA.
GRAZIE.
Bello sapere da che parte veniamo.
Grazieeeee
non riesco a trovare il libro di cui parla a inizio conferenza!sareste così gentili da indicarmelo? grazie
Giancarlo Rinaldi, Cristianesimi nell'antichità, Edizioni Gruppi Biblici Universitari, Chieti 2008.
There are three precise and very specific points of knowledge that anyone wanting to know about Christianity, needs to be aware of and then as a consequence of that awareness, understand (in order to open a different possible way of seeing and hearing about the way). Wether to sustain their faith or simply to understand. Before that I will add a comment I wrote in relation to a different topic which makes possible and build's up the awareness and the understanding of the three precise and very specific points, and it (the comment) is this.....!
I will suggest a possible way to see, hear, think, do and be with anything, everything, especially on earth, and I believe it is connected very much with what the literary work (and similar to) which made Dante known to the western civilization especially are. That of succession of many ways and forms (from before the gospels and after the gospels) of pointing out a very important and most crucial understanding in relation to existence, the being in any form on this planet and as a consequence the universe.
And it (theatrons) to this.....!
At any point of a location or a measured period, when anyone is introduced to (by anyone else), or hears, thinks, and begins to point out to anyone else by themselves also.....!
That the system is wrong, the system needs changing, the system is not working or it is working, the system is against anyone, that anyone needs or should fight the system, we/you need to change the system, you/we can or cannot change the system, outside of the system, inside of the system etc etc etc, and this being from any position possible, be that from an (oppressed/poor or power/rich)......!
Anyone needs to understand and understand quick, that the whole process of that type of reasoning, thinking and acting is a trick, and often, a very powerful illusion.
Because the system is anyone, everyone, everything, you and me is the system. The ability of anyone to look is the system, the ability of anyone to eat is the system, the ability of anyone to speak is the system, the ability of anyone to hear is the system, the ability of anyone to reproduce is the system, the ability of anyone to learn is the system, the ability of anyone to teach is the system, the ability of anyone to move/walk is the system, the ability of anyone to drink is the system, the ability of anyone to pray or not pray is the system, the ability of anyone to build or dismantle anything is the system, the ability of anyone to fight or make peace is the system, the ability of anyone to learn/teach or not learn/teach is the system etc etc
And that means .....! Being against or pro the system means you are against or pro yourself to begin with and against or pro anyone else just like you to end with. Changing or not changing the system, means you or someone else have to change or not change. Fighting or not fighting the system, means you or someone else have to fight or not fight yourself. Can or cannot change the system, means you or someone else can or cannot change yourself. The being right or wrong of the system, means that you or someone else are right or wrong. The working or not working of the system, means that you or someone are not working or working. The must or the mustn't change of the system, means you or someone else must or mustn't change. The system being against or not against anyone, means you or someone else are against or not against anyone including your very own self. The being inside or outside the system, means you or someone else are outside or inside your very own selfs........etc etc
Once this is understood, then anyone can see clearly that it makes an absolute no sense whatsoever in relation to a "system" that is not you, but some obscure force, wether from a position of being oppressed/poor or powerful/rich, yourself or anyone else.
Instead a different understanding takes hold once the system is your very own self or anyone else. Then questions in relation to (a change or not, working or not, being right or not, fighting it or not, a must or a mustn't, being against or not, can or cannot change), once asked at any location or period, by your very own self or anyone else related or not, for all the reasons, logic, faith or science have a different meaning, and as a consequence have a different answer, but most importantly have a different understanding.
Take the example of being in what is known as a peaceful existence of contact. If that is true with the anyone, then the how and why will be very clear. If that is not true with anyone then the how, and why will also be very clear, or at minimum it will manifest itself at its basic structure once asked.
Anyone including your very own self is using any methods or means in pointing out the system as a separate force of whatever character, they either are in full deceiving and dishonest mode (for all the reasons, logic, faith and science) or are fully immersed in being the very trick and illusion I am giving a possible description off.
Learning how to control your very own self, help's anyone control their very own self. Controlling your very own self, gives you an understanding of the other in relation to that, and as a consequence gives anyone control over the system, which means and is anyone, everyone and everything.
Meaning....! If anyone or anything is giving or selling your very own self in all the possible combinations of being, to your very own self..... and that anyone or anything is not your actual very own self......! Then a question, more precisely a succession of questions should be raised, and raised as quickly as possible (for an answer, even in the case when that anyone or anything is your very own self). I would argue that, in the case when your very own self is doing so (such as giving or selling to yourself, you), then the questions should be more serious in asking and in answering.
Achieving in the process an independence of free will control over the system.
The three precise and very specific points of awareness and as a consequence of that awareness the understanding of Christianity are.....!
One: Anyone should understand what did the people living in the Mediterranean known as Greek (long before the period of Christ, during the period of Christ and after the period of Christ), meant by when stating that (no human being/person/Greek should drink ((wine)) without water added to it). And most importantly.... Why?
Once that is made aware, understood and as consequence is/being with.......! Then the second precise and very specific point should be made aware off, understood and as a consequence be with. And that is, has to do in relation with, the first miracle. That of turning (water to wine) at the wedding of (Cena). Most importantly....! The why and how.
After the two precise and very specific points, the third and most importantly crucial point remains......! That of being aware, knowing, understanding and as a consequence being with the fact, that in relation to Christ and as a consequential relation, to Christianity.....! Only one story (literally) is of valid weight, one that is told in four (let's say different breathings), and these four (different breathings) have been agreed to go forward with and within. Know by all as the four gospels.
Not the letters, other books or revelations can (literally) override the gospels, nor add or take anything away from. The letters, the revelations or any other books related/included or not, cannot do anything else but fit with and within the gospels (the story with and within the gospels) by default, and not by choice. Making in turn one very crucial importance in being. That of.....! The gospels (the story with and within the gospels) will in the end and always, make anyone understand letters, revelations or any other books related/included or not.
Not the other way around.
(Note: Once three such precise and very specific points are with and within anyone in being, then a sentence that has brought much debate and argument all the way to the extremes of what debates and arguments can bring in being as a reality of combinations in existence, is easier to think over, with and within the language used.
The sentence is known as ..............!.(The son of man.) And in the exact same structure of making use of three precise and very specific points, anyone has to first be aware and understand two words. These being (Aftos ((and)) Anthropos). Once the awareness and the understanding of these two words, then anyone has to be aware and understand one word (while knowing that there is no word that represents, what is known as a dead human body). This word being (Anthropology). Once the awareness and understanding of this one word after the two words, then anyone has to be aware and understand that......!
You can not do (shouldn't even attempt), you can only be (should only be). Wether the two words, the one word, or the sentence, that has caused much debate and arguments, all the way to the extremes.
Buongiorno professre, ho ascoltato con interesse questa sua introduzione al Cristianesimo antico e sono rimasto colpito, pur essendo io un neofita, della chiarezza e della facilità con cui ha spiegato i vari concetti. Le vorrei chidere se anche il libro ha la stessa chiarezza e la stessa facilità di lettura pur trattandosi di un argomento complesso. Grazi mille.
Certamente si, e grazie a Lei
Mi sembra un conferecista ecxellente. Pecato che mancano imagini... Complimenti dalla Colombia in Buga - Valle.
Dove si è svolto questo corso? Molto bello!
Scusi e' possibile sapere quanto costa il libro e dove acquistarlo, grazie
" dopo pochi decenni" non mi risulta fosse così diffuso il cristianesimo. Nel mondo greco magari, ma nel nord ovest dell'impero? Comunque diffusione a macchia di leopardo. Mi dica se sbaglio
Buonasera Prof. Rinaldi. Lieto di parlare con lei. Mi chiamo Maurizio Colella. Volevo chiederle se il battesimo dei neonati era già una prassi consolidata ai tempi apostolici o se invece è stato istituito nel II secolo. Grazie. Cord. Saluti.
Mi scriva a master.unior@gmail.com grazie
Peras imposuit Iuppiter nobis duas:
Propriis repletam vitiis post tergum dedit,
Alienis ante pectus suspendit gravem.
Hac re videre nostra mala non possumus,
Alii simul deliquunt censores sumus.
All' inizio esistevano tanti gruppi cristiani che avevano posizioni diverse,poi arrivò l' imperatore Costantino che con in Concilio fece sparire tutti questi gruppo e promosse solo una dottrina.
Ma soprattutto con Teodosio I con il suo editto di Tessalonica, il Cunctos Populos (anno 380) che Impose il cristianesimo, praticato ad Alessandria e Roma, come religione dello Stato !
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@@eretikonero9027 Esatto.
Prima di Paolo non esistono i cristiani ma soltanto gnostici. Prima di Costantino non esiste il cristianesimo di cui fu il vero fondatore. Quella dottrina assoluta è rimasta invariata fino ai giorni nostri nonostante i vari concili e tentativi di riforma.
1:51:28 REDARRE
Rinaldi è cattolico?
Parere mio e un omo di Dio
mi pare Evangelico
Ma è religioso o meno costui? Se lo fosse non vale neanche la pena starlo a sentire.
LoNi1214
Se sia religioso o meno non fà differenza,stà parlando di storia.
@@diadforboxe8954 Max Cady diceva che la Bibbia era importante.
@@diadforboxe8954 Forse un po' di umiltà e di studio potrebbero essere utili.
@@diadforboxe8954 Simpatico!
@@antoniopezzella8232 vorrei mi nominassi un premio Nobel, uno storico o uno scienziato non Cristiano ( che poi ci sono tipo 8000 culti diversi all’interno del cattolicesimo !!) ma religioso!
Dimmene uno!
Al massimo qlc che lo fa per Politica per farsi dare voti dalle pecore come voi!
Satana?😂😂😂😂😂
Figlio mio stai messo male molto male..
Ma questo è quello che le Adi hanno delegato per dimostrare la loro estraneità agli ambienti massonici? Per carità sig. Rinaldi lei ha tutto il diritto di essere massone, ma trovo lesivo alla mia intelligenza che lei pur ricoprendo un ruolo preciso debba smentire hai credenti Adi che le ADI stesse siano estranee agli stessi ambienti da lei frequentati😅😇 come far dire al dirigente di Gazprom che la Russia non ci manda il gas😅 veramente trovo tutto questo uno scherzo! Appunto stiamo scherzando 😅😅
Mio caro "partite iva al collasso", cioè persona anonima, lei trova lesivo alla sua intelligenza ciò che io dico; dal canto mio trovo lesivo al galateo che lei non si presenti ma parli in modo anonimo e trovo lesivo alla grammatica italiana che lei usi "hai" (con h) in luogo di "ai". Ignorante. Vada prima ad apprender le norme di comportamento e quelle della grammatica elementare e poi ardisca impegnarsi in discorsi storici, molto, troppo più alti di lei.