+Andy Oswald except ZDF have probably been lobbying for this interview for three years ;) it's a small cabal of powerful people who control F1, and honestly this is probably part of their public "flexing of the muscles" to show how much power they still wield. All a bit continuous battle between manufacturers, teams and the sport's controlling bodies.
They're old but more importantly wise. People hate on Bernie. I love him. When he talks he's so transparent he's like I'll tell you what I think and that's it. No bs. He simply just gives zero fucks what you think of him. Thats why I love him. I agree with most of their proposals.
Interesting interview, my uncle was the chief engineer [mechanic] for Lotus in the 1970’s [JPS Special era] and his option on the modern cars was very similar to Bernie’s and Max’s. “The mechanics and driver work together to do test runs to set the car up and qualify. During the race no radios and no driver aides, ... if the driver thinks he needs new tyres he is the one to decide when he comes into the pits so he’s more or less on his own during the race” That way you can find out who built and set up the best car and who the best driver is.
An amazing conversation. Thank you. I totally agree with Bernie Ecclestone that they have no idea of the actual viewing numbers. Here in Los Angeles, everyone I know is somehow watching on their cell phones or lap tops. I agree also that manual gearboxes and clutches would bring back the human element. Integrating a manual gear lever with the hybrid system would be a fascinating cybernetic engineering challenge as well. The road relevancy of the hybrid engines is extremely important, the industry must improve it's overall efficiency and reduced carbon emissions with urgent immediacy. Presenting and glamorizing hybrid products through Formula One is an excellent way to market to a mistrusting consuming public. Honda should be given enormous credit for what they have stepped up to, and I would think many other car companies would want a Formula One hybrid project of their own as well. I really appreciate Max and Bernie for so generously sharing in this interview.
Don't forget Max and Bernie are not just businessmen; they have been involved with F1 since the early 70's running teams. Max I think if still in charge would not have allowed what has occurred in the last 5 years, he talks very well and has so many good ideas. Can the same be said about Jean Todt? They work well together, Bernie selling F1 and Max controlling what can be done by the teams, unfortunately we have lost the former.
On top of that he’s practical as well, having been a driver himself. Totally agree, back to manual gearboxes. Most of the current generation of F1 couldn’t handle it, I’m quite sure.
It was his own choice really. Mosley has said that he would certainly be reelected but he mentions two reasons. Firstly, 16-years at any job is a long time and he felt it was time to move on and give room to new blood and new ideas (a very healthy perspective imo) and secondly he favored the front-runner Jean Todt who, again in Mosleys words, is more or less the opposite of himself, i.e he is a "compromiser", a word Mosley would not associate himself with.
Space Martian ; I totally agree! Yes he's made decisions within F1 that I don't agree with, but IMO F1 was far bigger and more exciting when he was around. He certainly stirred things up and made things interesting/controversial (and with hindsight also made some very good decisions). The thing that gets me is; back in the Mosley days I found the ‘off-track’ action (controversy/machinations) very exciting - I was glued to the forums, magazines and internet, which made subsequent races and related broadcasts all the more interesting and exciting. Whereas, and unfortunately, these days I’ll tune in for the race itself and nothing else (just don’t have the same emotional attachment - all a bit boring really). P.s. I don’t give two hoots about Mosley’s sex life, that’s none of my business!
If I were max mosley, his age, his checking account I'd have double the sex scandles he has..Shit I'd be glad If I were able to get an erection at his age and he is a practical man so I'm sure he looks down and says " while your still working I'm gonna pay you overtime".
The richer and more successful you are - the simpler the words you use. This of course comes with the authority you have earned - and the fact that this was an interview so more about what they had to say...rather than a conversation of equals sat around in a restaurant or Patio
They are like two very wise owls, I usually can't stand politics but these two are an exception to the rule if they were to form a government they would get my vote 😀
Wow. I find myself agreeing 100% with the principals expressed here. I have not missed a race since 1983 and watch now purely out of habit. Where’s the jeopardy ? It’s now a media fest , F1 goes Disney. The intellectual power in this room is daunting.
I don't like DRS, or power units. Funny thing, I was driving Mclaren MP4/8 with Lambo engine in Rfactor2 yesterday, it allows you drive it manual instead of paddle shifters. I drove it with gear shifters, it was so much better.
Bernie should've left the game in 2010/2011. He was a master on the TV age, but internet age? No, he doesn't fully get it. He many times said "Without TV, F1 won't survive". TV is as old as he is. We need another Bernie who understands the web. How much would you pay for a streamed F1 race online?! I would pay a reasonable price. I could watch it at home... or on an airplane! Why FOM still relies solely on TV, I do not understand. FOM sells F1 to broadcasters. The FOM should become the broadcaster... streaming races on youtube and other platforms. If you want to watch it on a flat screen... just wifi your phone to one. The TV age is practically finished... just like radio broadcasts before it.
Bernie as far back as 2006 BSC Consulting Group made recommendations to change the race rules to include weighting of cars which is commonly used in BTCC. Under this format previous race winners carry extra weight for the following race.Clearly this has been proven to work over a sustained period. Why not F1 ?
MANUAL GEAR CHANGE stick and clutch PEDAL like we all drive on the road The purest connection between man and engine went electronic around the early 80s and slowly f1 got more and more boring ,nowadays the pits is more interesting than the race Brawn recently touched the subject too but they all fail to notice its importance
MAX MAX MAX ,ITS THE NOISE NOISE NOISE THAT'S MISSING , DON'T FOOL YOURSELF AND SAY ITS THE HIGH TECH OF F1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S KEEPING FANS AWAY . THE TECH IN MY OPINION IS ONE OF THE BEST PARTS OF F1 . EVERYONE IS SAYING IT THE NOISE, SO IT MUST BE TRUE .
they both keep talking about reducing the cost...but...Max thought it was a great idea to go from a N/A V8 to turbo-hybrid V6. Did Max really think a small engineering company like Cosworth has the money for research and development of a hybrid engine? What's wrong with a N/A 3.0 liter V-6, V-8, V-10 or V-12?
@@JACK28460 Given you started with 'nursing home' jokes you obviously missed the irony of my reply, so I'll refrain from pointing to the additional irony of your 'Aren't you clever' line!
Great interview! Bernie has many wise values regarding F1 but honestly he, respectfully, seems a little bit "age-confused". At times he seems not to understand or hear the "reporter". :(
+Yoshimurha I thought I saw that as well, although it could also be that he didn't want to answer some of the questions that speciffically, he is a verry good businessman after all, he could just be premoting his thoughts.
He seemed to be clever enough to play the politics and understood the people and business. His sexual activities are irrelevant, especially in comparison with the goings on generally.
yeah reduce ticket prices and I'd go down, instead of the cheap peasant ticket prices where you sit on a patch of grass like amongst a cattle of sheep. F1 is too predictable, but it has been like that for years where the best machine (car) wins. That's why Fernando is considered good for flogging that dead horse Ferrari around and coming second in the Championship a few years ago.
Best machine, yes... it always has been. The problem now is related to PUs and tires. The real problem is that powerful teams have a strong saying on regulations. These 2 gentlemen got consistently bluffed by the teams. Its easy. The FIA provides the rules; the teams either comply or leave the sport. Certain teams have been squeezing F1 like a lemon. "If we don't have some 200 million just for being on the grid, then we will leave :'( ". Go ahead, leave... lets go back to a Lotus against a Tyrrell... or a Williams vs a McLaren. It was good racing! Where will Mercedes or Ferrari go after leaving F1? Will they create a "Formula Ferrari"?... Formula Unicorn? Come on...
Huge fan base and since they are paying insane salaries, those drivers would quit so you'd lose major teams, major drivers and it would crash the sport.... You'd also lose the engines in over half the cars. On the flip side, Ferrari would lose their investors as would Mercedes so it would come back to haunt them.
@@jarek3573 The ones who are big like Hamilton, Alonso and such would. They've made their money, have their championships and have nothing to lose walking away. Big money private teams like Red bull would conquer for eternity at that point.... no other private F1 team has the finances they do and they essentially accomplished what Williams, McLaren and Benneton did in the 90s....
I know right? It's just simply not competitive. I'm a 24-year-old American who has been closely watching Formula One for only three years now I came in at the tail end of 2012, and all I have to say is it's simply not competitive and that gets boring. But because f1 is so space-age/hitech/beautiful, I still want to see the cars and enjoy it. On the other hand, A lot of people don't care how fancy it is They just want to see good passing and battles on track. Now formula 1 is just a train of cars, a script, watching a movie over and over or the same book over and over.
you missed the space-age of f1.... that were the 2001-2005 years... (and also the 1992-1993 years.. it looked almost creepy with the active suspension),... yes f1 is still hightech... but at the moment the cars are smaller (so they have less chance for efficient aerodynamics).. running on tires that can't hold up to what the car would be capable of... with an experimental powerunit which is restricted by the amount of fuel used.. (not only the amount used in the complete race.. that would be understandable but also the amount of avarage fuel.. fuel flow) ... active telemetry is forbidden as electronical helpers like traction and launch controll... the space-age was 2004... where they had active 2way telemetry, electronics like tc and lc, much wider and flatter bodywork which gave more possibles for more efficient aerodynamics... and most importend tires that could handle the car on the limit for quite an amount of laps... if you are interested search for some videos of that time... it was stunning how fast those cars were... todays f1 looks like a lower level racing (like gp2 or so) compared to what f1 was like in 2004... if you look a race or qualifying from back then now again.. it looks like fastforwarded :D (and that even with those grooved tires back then.. who knows how fast they would have been on real slicks) yes there wasn't much overtaking going on... but everytime it happened it was a huge thing... nowadays with this drs stuff.. it's just unsatisfying.. all they need to do is drive a second behind the car.. push the button ..rearwing flaps.. go by... at those times back then they needed to hang on and fight for it... and they did that on the absolute limit all the time because the tires held up to it... and f1 is just not the pinnacle anylonger when the real pinnacle was already 16 years ago... I think most lap records on circuits which didn't got changed were still from 2004ish
You are completely right. I love watching onboard footage from those years. When Ross Brawn and Schumi were unstoppable. I was in middle school back then and not that into F1. But those are my favorite years to watch now for sure. Those roaring V10s holly shit, and the cars just seem to whip around the track at an ungodly pace. I think they looked relatively refined back then but still so much down force and mechanical grip with the tires. I like the idea of passing without DRS down a str8 you are right it's not very exhilarating
Just regarding this video of yours because comments are turned off. If the video is from 2000 then Vettel was 13, if he’s 11 on the video, then it’s from 1998, which is more likely. He was born in 1987. czcams.com/video/hwCTl_7gZkQ/video.html
max eliminando a tecnologia dos carros em 94 vc matou senna e outro piloto da austria esse max e balestre que o capeta o tenha sao as piores escolhas da f 1 .
two very smart guys. They make it all seem so casual.
So did hitler and heydrich
Great interview. The two men who shaped F1 as we know it today. They have forgotten more than some people think they now about this sport.
Great interview. Credit to both Bernie and Max for giving their views. I do not see this level openness from the top of any other major world sport.
+Andy Oswald except ZDF have probably been lobbying for this interview for three years ;) it's a small cabal of powerful people who control F1, and honestly this is probably part of their public "flexing of the muscles" to show how much power they still wield. All a bit continuous battle between manufacturers, teams and the sport's controlling bodies.
They're old but more importantly wise. People hate on Bernie. I love him. When he talks he's so transparent he's like I'll tell you what I think and that's it. No bs. He simply just gives zero fucks what you think of him. Thats why I love him. I agree with most of their proposals.
Max Mosley is a very sensible man. He knows the regulations in and out and at same time also knows the technical side very well.
Love them or loath them, these two old men made lot of sense!!!
Interesting interview,
my uncle was the chief engineer [mechanic] for Lotus in the 1970’s [JPS Special era] and his option on the modern cars was very similar to Bernie’s and Max’s.
“The mechanics and driver work together to do test runs to set the car up and qualify. During the race no radios and no driver aides, ... if the driver thinks he needs new tyres he is the one to decide when he comes into the pits so he’s more or less on his own during the race”
That way you can find out who built and set up the best car and who the best driver is.
fascinating interview
As a young person, 25 years old, I'm a huge fan of these two and wish Max was still
El presidente.
This is a great interview! Such characters.
An amazing conversation. Thank you. I totally agree with Bernie Ecclestone that they have no idea of the actual viewing numbers. Here in Los Angeles, everyone I know is somehow watching on their cell phones or lap tops. I agree also that manual gearboxes and clutches would bring back the human element. Integrating a manual gear lever with the hybrid system would be a fascinating cybernetic engineering challenge as well. The road relevancy of the hybrid engines is extremely important, the industry must improve it's overall efficiency and reduced carbon emissions with urgent immediacy. Presenting and glamorizing hybrid products through Formula One is an excellent way to market to a mistrusting consuming public. Honda should be given enormous credit for what they have stepped up to, and I would think many other car companies would want a Formula One hybrid project of their own as well. I really appreciate Max and Bernie for so generously sharing in this interview.
RIP Max Mosley.
Not necessarily
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@@NicotineRosbergthank you nicotine rosberg that got a good laugh out of me
On the big teams: "These guys want to win...and they don't care if other people don't win."
Classic Bernie Ecc!
This was great to listen to.
When you hear Bernie talk, you hear one of the best reasons to insanely rich: you can speak your mind freely without fear of the consequences.
And if it happens to be bollocks it’ll still all be okay.
True. He's a fucking prick and always has been
Thank you for uploading much, much appreciated.
Don't forget Max and Bernie are not just businessmen; they have been involved with F1 since the early 70's running teams. Max I think if still in charge would not have allowed what has occurred in the last 5 years, he talks very well and has so many good ideas. Can the same be said about Jean Todt? They work well together, Bernie selling F1 and Max controlling what can be done by the teams, unfortunately we have lost the former.
But brilliant interview. Should become part of teaching students about sport regulation and sport organisation
In F1 today the computer is driving the car and the driver is being directed by the engineers in the pit.
True professionals. Hail to England!
Bernie looks like a bad guy in James Bond especially with the statue of him in the back
He is a bad guy. Tax avoidance
On top of that he’s practical as well, having been a driver himself.
Totally agree, back to manual gearboxes. Most of the current generation of F1 couldn’t handle it, I’m quite sure.
Thanks fo ruploading this
Max should still be F.I.A. president. Who cares if he has a crazy sex life
It was his own choice really. Mosley has said that he would certainly be reelected but he mentions two reasons. Firstly, 16-years at any job is a long time and he felt it was time to move on and give room to new blood and new ideas (a very healthy perspective imo) and secondly he favored the front-runner Jean Todt who, again in Mosleys words, is more or less the opposite of himself, i.e he is a "compromiser", a word Mosley would not associate himself with.
Space Martian Exactly. His private life should be his own business. F1 needs guys like him to give a direction to the sports future
Space Martian ; I totally agree! Yes he's made decisions within F1 that I don't agree with, but IMO F1 was far bigger and more exciting when he was around. He certainly stirred things up and made things interesting/controversial (and with hindsight also made some very good decisions). The thing that gets me is; back in the Mosley days I found the ‘off-track’ action (controversy/machinations) very exciting - I was glued to the forums, magazines and internet, which made subsequent races and related broadcasts all the more interesting and exciting. Whereas, and unfortunately, these days I’ll tune in for the race itself and nothing else (just don’t have the same emotional attachment - all a bit boring really).
P.s. I don’t give two hoots about Mosley’s sex life, that’s none of my business!
If I were max mosley, his age, his checking account I'd have double the sex scandles he has..Shit I'd be glad If I were able to get an erection at his age and he is a practical man so I'm sure he looks down and says " while your still working I'm gonna pay you overtime".
The richer and more successful you are - the simpler the words you use. This of course comes with the authority you have earned - and the fact that this was an interview so more about what they had to say...rather than a conversation of equals sat around in a restaurant or Patio
RIP Max Mosley
They are like two very wise owls, I usually can't stand politics but these two are an exception to the rule if they were to form a government they would get my vote 😀
Funny when I remember Bernie sayed he is a dictator. So he doesn't need your vote... LOL
Wow.
I find myself agreeing 100% with the principals expressed here.
I have not missed a race since 1983 and watch now purely out of habit.
Where’s the jeopardy ?
It’s now a media fest , F1 goes Disney.
The intellectual power in this room is daunting.
Max and Bernie for president
"I'd like to see him (Hamilton) in a gp2 car with gp2 drivers". Bernie, you can probably still buy a 2006 gp2 season review on vhs.
I don't like DRS, or power units. Funny thing, I was driving Mclaren MP4/8 with Lambo engine in Rfactor2 yesterday, it allows you drive it manual instead of paddle shifters. I drove it with gear shifters, it was so much better.
Bernie should've left the game in 2010/2011. He was a master on the TV age, but internet age? No, he doesn't fully get it. He many times said "Without TV, F1 won't survive".
TV is as old as he is. We need another Bernie who understands the web.
How much would you pay for a streamed F1 race online?! I would pay a reasonable price. I could watch it at home... or on an airplane!
Why FOM still relies solely on TV, I do not understand. FOM sells F1 to broadcasters. The FOM should become the broadcaster... streaming races on youtube and other platforms. If you want to watch it on a flat screen... just wifi your phone to one. The TV age is practically finished... just like radio broadcasts before it.
This comment is why F1TV exists nowadays
Two great men
Watching this in 2024 🥹 can we get those guys back. So smart and ahead of there time!
thanks for posting
guys bring back single lap qualifying, its better than the entire race these days and separates the men from the boys
Bernie as far back as 2006 BSC Consulting Group made recommendations to
change the race rules to include weighting of cars which is commonly
used in BTCC. Under this format previous race winners carry extra weight
for the following race.Clearly this has been proven to work over a
sustained period. Why not F1 ?
A good idea, I agree! I didn't know Bernie tried. We don't hear much from Jean Todd!
MANUAL GEAR CHANGE stick and clutch PEDAL like we all drive on the road
The purest connection between man and engine went electronic around the early 80s and slowly f1 got more and more boring ,nowadays the pits is more interesting than the race
Brawn recently touched the subject too but they all fail to notice its importance
MAX MAX MAX ,ITS THE NOISE NOISE NOISE THAT'S MISSING , DON'T FOOL YOURSELF AND SAY ITS THE HIGH TECH OF F1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S KEEPING FANS AWAY . THE TECH IN MY OPINION IS ONE OF THE BEST PARTS OF F1 . EVERYONE IS SAYING IT THE NOISE, SO IT MUST BE TRUE .
Can we talk about Bernie's fucking life size statue of himself
"You're thinking Sebastian is gonna win, I think Nico is gonna ring." 19:00
One day some of the kids from the neighborhood carried my mother's groceries all the way home. You know why? It was outta respect.
they both keep talking about reducing the cost...but...Max thought it was a great idea to go from a N/A V8 to turbo-hybrid V6. Did Max really think a small engineering company like Cosworth has the money for research and development of a hybrid engine? What's wrong with a N/A 3.0 liter V-6, V-8, V-10 or V-12?
The manufacturer pushed for a road relevant engine.
Would be great to use
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Which nursing home was this filmed in ??
You're doing mum jokes ?? Aren't you clever !
@@JACK28460 Given you started with 'nursing home' jokes you obviously missed the irony of my reply, so I'll refrain from pointing to the additional irony of your 'Aren't you clever' line!
Wow that bust behind Mr Ecclestone. Talk about “hubris”
Don't we germans pay enough money to ZDF that the camera-man (or woman) can keep the camera a little bit steady.
Great interview! Bernie has many wise values regarding F1 but honestly he, respectfully, seems a little bit "age-confused". At times he seems not to understand or hear the "reporter". :(
+Yoshimurha I thought I saw that as well, although it could also be that he didn't want to answer some of the questions that speciffically, he is a verry good businessman after all, he could just be premoting his thoughts.
I think Bernie sometimes chooses to mishear and sometimes he didn’t hear it right.
The F1 men. Bernie and Max come back in F1. Bernie is the ring master no one likes him
He seemed to be clever enough to play the politics and understood the people and business. His sexual activities are irrelevant, especially in comparison with the goings on generally.
redbull has still the best chassi
yeah reduce ticket prices and I'd go down, instead of the cheap peasant ticket prices where you sit on a patch of grass like amongst a cattle of sheep. F1 is too predictable, but it has been like that for years where the best machine (car) wins. That's why Fernando is considered good for flogging that dead horse Ferrari around and coming second in the Championship a few years ago.
+majnu100 The grassy mound tickets are I find some of the best, you get access to all of the grassy mound areas and the fans places.
Best machine, yes... it always has been. The problem now is related to PUs and tires.
The real problem is that powerful teams have a strong saying on regulations. These 2 gentlemen got consistently bluffed by the teams.
Its easy. The FIA provides the rules; the teams either comply or leave the sport.
Certain teams have been squeezing F1 like a lemon.
"If we don't have some 200 million just for being on the grid, then we will leave :'( ".
Go ahead, leave... lets go back to a Lotus against a Tyrrell... or a Williams vs a McLaren. It was good racing!
Where will Mercedes or Ferrari go after leaving F1?
Will they create a "Formula Ferrari"?... Formula Unicorn?
Come on...
Can anyone explain to me why F1 could break down if Mercedes or Ferrari will quit?
Huge fan base and since they are paying insane salaries, those drivers would quit so you'd lose major teams, major drivers and it would crash the sport.... You'd also lose the engines in over half the cars. On the flip side, Ferrari would lose their investors as would Mercedes so it would come back to haunt them.
@@SirRobbins Thank you, that makes sense. I wonder though if drivers would really go away.
@@jarek3573 The ones who are big like Hamilton, Alonso and such would. They've made their money, have their championships and have nothing to lose walking away. Big money private teams like Red bull would conquer for eternity at that point.... no other private F1 team has the finances they do and they essentially accomplished what Williams, McLaren and Benneton did in the 90s....
As I watch the dull racing I can rejoice that it is 'road relevant'.
I know right? It's just simply not competitive. I'm a 24-year-old American who has been closely watching Formula One for only three years now I came in at the tail end of 2012, and all I have to say is it's simply not competitive and that gets boring. But because f1 is so space-age/hitech/beautiful, I still want to see the cars and enjoy it. On the other hand, A lot of people don't care how fancy it is They just want to see good passing and battles on track. Now formula 1 is just a train of cars, a script, watching a movie over and over or the same book over and over.
you missed the space-age of f1.... that were the 2001-2005 years... (and also the 1992-1993 years.. it looked almost creepy with the active suspension),... yes f1 is still hightech... but at the moment the cars are smaller (so they have less chance for efficient aerodynamics).. running on tires that can't hold up to what the car would be capable of... with an experimental powerunit which is restricted by the amount of fuel used.. (not only the amount used in the complete race.. that would be understandable but also the amount of avarage fuel.. fuel flow) ... active telemetry is forbidden as electronical helpers like traction and launch controll...
the space-age was 2004... where they had active 2way telemetry, electronics like tc and lc, much wider and flatter bodywork which gave more possibles for more efficient aerodynamics... and most importend tires that could handle the car on the limit for quite an amount of laps... if you are interested search for some videos of that time... it was stunning how fast those cars were...
todays f1 looks like a lower level racing (like gp2 or so) compared to what f1 was like in 2004... if you look a race or qualifying from back then now again.. it looks like fastforwarded :D (and that even with those grooved tires back then.. who knows how fast they would have been on real slicks) yes there wasn't much overtaking going on... but everytime it happened it was a huge thing... nowadays with this drs stuff.. it's just unsatisfying.. all they need to do is drive a second behind the car.. push the button ..rearwing flaps.. go by... at those times back then they needed to hang on and fight for it... and they did that on the absolute limit all the time because the tires held up to it...
and f1 is just not the pinnacle anylonger when the real pinnacle was already 16 years ago... I think most lap records on circuits which didn't got changed were still from 2004ish
You are completely right. I love watching onboard footage from those years. When Ross Brawn and Schumi were unstoppable. I was in middle school back then and not that into F1. But those are my favorite years to watch now for sure. Those roaring V10s holly shit, and the cars just seem to whip around the track at an ungodly pace. I think they looked relatively refined back then but still so much down force and mechanical grip with the tires. I like the idea of passing without DRS down a str8 you are right it's not very exhilarating
Just regarding this video of yours because comments are turned off. If the video is from 2000 then Vettel was 13, if he’s 11 on the video, then it’s from 1998, which is more likely. He was born in 1987. czcams.com/video/hwCTl_7gZkQ/video.html
i wood have all the answers get me a job in f1.
I’m not sure… wood is what trees are made of.
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max eliminando a tecnologia dos carros em 94 vc matou senna e outro piloto da austria esse max e balestre que o capeta o tenha sao as piores escolhas da f 1 .
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