Jordan Peterson meets a Serial Killer in Prison
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Psychology Professor Dr. Jordan B. Peterson tells a story about the time when he worked in a prison and his discovery of his capacity for evil.
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“So you’re saying you went to prison.”
Your comment is way underrated. :-)
That's as accurate as it gets
That's the famous interview but I prefer his one with GQ/Helen Lewis. It's like a 100 minute shark attack.
It's more like "So what you're saying is you are a criminal"
@@TrevorToonArt no
Sometimes he pauses to think and i wonder if my phone is frozen.
Martin Carion watch it in the warm mate!
Same here haha the silence is absolute
Same here, but I guess Dr Peterson is buffering, not my phone.
Yep. Same thing happened during his Joe Rogan podcast. About to tell at my internet before I realize it's not my internets fault.
Most people fill the gaps in their speech with "umms" or "uhhhs", which sound very unattractive.
I find it quite amusing when people don't use those filler words.
When I got out of maximum security I was sober for the first time in years. Once outside I recommitted to my wife, remained sober, sought professional help, abandoned my dysfunctional birth family and old friends, enrolled in college and graduated. My conviction made employment difficult. I returned to college for one year to get a teaching certificate and soon found myself teaching adult education in prison. I finished graduate school and taught general psychology for years until I retired. The beast within is part of us but so is the angel. Stay strong.
John Armstrong that’s inspiring
Truly inspirational. Thank you for sharing
Wow. This mustve taken a hellofalot of willpower and strength. Salute to u sir
Thats an inpirational story and your last line is a Lesson for everyone to Learn.
Fuck yeah bro. Stay strong forever.
"Man has changed his habits, but not his instincts." - Will Durant
What is the spelling of anochious or anoquios
Nvm its innocuous
elite_papi 😂😂😂😂
Yess. reminds me of Walter White's transformation to Heisenberg. I always thought that Heisenberg was always in there. If you're a BB fan, you can go watch my reaction to the 5th season if you like
@@WintaAssefa ah
I wanna see his cape, roughly speaking.
I believe it was a capote alentejano
@@joaosousa5551 Nope , it's from Coimbra .
He probably still has it, in my estimation
😂😂😂😂😂
galindo stephen 😂😂😂😂
See what happens when you don't keep your room clean.....
awww
Lol
Well I just cleaned mine tonight so I'm safe. Lol
he talks alot about "cleaning (fixing) your own house and your own room before trying to fix the world
"And also...All things change when we do" :)
I saw an interview with a homicide detective where, over the course of his 25 year career, he said, "ANYONE put in the right situation, is capable of the most horrific crimes."
Wrong! Human aggression and sex drive are influenced by Testosterone, and men have soooooo much more testosterone than women. That’s why men commit like %90+ of the horrific acts.
Remove the testicles of men who can’t control themselves. We remove the testicles of cats and dogs to make them less monstrous; the same can be done to human males.
This is true
No I don’t think so
@@garyp1432 You may not but you're wrong. You obviously know nothing of human nature.
@@garyp1432 You don't have to think too far into it, do you have parents? or children? what would you do if you were seeing them being raped? or perhaps having their fingers or toes cut off with something, what would you do to the person that was doing this awful stuff, could you hurt them? Sure it's an extreme example but that's what is being talked about.
There are points where every human will snap or could snap.
"So your saying, serial killers are good" cathy Newman
Yikes didn't you guys hear... Innocuous not good just bland.
U r not listening.. I think u have understanding problem
How could you possibly conclude that except by internationally twisting what he said.
When I was in Vietnam I could never understand how so many guys missed the enemy when shooting at him. I knew these guys were good shots normally. They just didn't want to kill anyone and would wait till the last second to shoot the guy or pray that I would get him first. Two guys in particular never shot anyone that I know of. Both of them got shot themselves.
Dennis White
There is a whole statistical theory that most soldiers purposefully miss so that they won't kill. There are a small percentage of soldiers who are actually ruthless and kill without thinking about it. It is basically that small percentage of soldiers who are actually fighting the war. The rest are just like scarecrows with gear and a gun.
I wouldn't consider myself "ruthless" But when someone is shooting to kill me and mine you can bet your ass I'm shooting back. If that makes me ruthless in your book, so be it.
No i mean shooting the enemy in the back without a second thought even though they haven't noticed you.
Someone has to be the first to shoot and I sure as hell never gave a warning shot. I never expected one either.
Dennis White Thank you for your service
4:03 his Canadian snuck out, he says "eh" under his breath haha awesome
I cant stop watching that moment
Thats canadian? Thats hilarious love it
"Heyy" gosh I love it
Its the liquor, Randy
That's great, it sounds like someone edited it in.
So what I'm getting at here from his personal retelling is that you don't have be born insane to be a killer.
The human psyche is like a switch, with enough conditioning on either side of the spectrum determines your personality and actions. Meaning anyone can be a pacifist or stone cold killer so long as they have a normal brain and conditioned properly.
GodOfInsomniacs
Shit.. I was not expecting that.
what made you snap if you don’t mind me asking?
GodOfInsomniacs hmm...I see. Would you mind elaborating on these events?
"you don't have be born insane to be a killer." It is not insanity; it's psychopathy. The question is why do we always hear from modern psychologists that people who are not psychopaths are unable to do the types of atrocious acts Peterson described here because their conscience will not let them get away with in. Peterson seems to disagree.
Do you think that switch can be turned back the other way (happy and wouldn't hurt a fly) by your own will?
2nd- Do you believe in free will?
I never fail to learn something new from Jordan. His mind is like a library, he never repeats the same thing twice and he always has an insightful approach.
You said it perfectly
@Kurt Beyer Lobsters
Unless it’s the word innocuous lol
I do agree with the library thing, but I've noticed that he tells some of his anecdotes many, many times on different occasions, especially on podcasts. I guess it's always simpler just to repeat set scheme when there is occasion for it.
@@Joshua-kt5by exactly
Now I'm going to have nightmares of Jordan Peterson standing in the doorway to my room wearing an old coat and holding a lead pipe, just slowly looking around at all the mess and clutter. He'll look angry and his hand will tighten around the pipe and I'll just be helplessly in bed wearing my pyjamas with all the little dragons on them.
Keep your room clean. I didn't clean mine this morning though
*and he'll say, "Clean your damn room, bucko."
Is Jordan Peterson going to be wearing a weird cape that he got in Portugal and some boots that go along with it?
hahahahhahahahahaha
Andrew Malcolm nice touch with the dragons.
I love how this clip ends. Him speaking to the many terrible experiences kids have of their crappy parents then he goes on to drink some water as if to say "but that's none of my business"
KillTyrant Well what can he do? Most crappy parents create maladjusted children by emotional torment behind closed doors. Threatening violence or exuding power...also mind games of withholding affection because little Tommy didn't do what I told you to do when you should've done it. So the child deserves nothing but neglect. Basically Peterson doesn't get to hear the crappy childhood until they're clients in his secure comfy office.
KillTyrant
I choose to believe that was vodka.
Or maybe he just drank some water cuz of all the talking?
If you do a good job raising your kids to be strong, independent, self-reliant adults, guess what? They leave you and go make a life for themselves. They still love you and care about you, but they don't NEED you. You will miss them. Your heart will hurt because they are gone. But the comfort will be in knowing you did your job right.
We don't notice just how many parents do get that right. If they didn't, our society couldn't function.
Most disgusting parents realize what will happen when their children grow up, so they work to inculcate dysfunctional neediness in their children.
If you did your job at least a little bit right, they will come back. With more kids.
"Insanity is like gravity. All it takes is a little push."
😅
The titles for most of Jordan Peterson's videos on You Tube are so poorly written and rarely describe what he actually talks about. I want to hit these people in the face.
Just turn their legs into pulp. Less chance of getting caught/snitched on if it's hidden under a pant leg.
or pulverize their legs with a lead pipe
After clicking on the video, though. So it works. If you really care to stop them, watch videos on Peterson's channel and stop rewarding the behavior you dislike.
With a lead pipe
Welcome to clickbait
It's really dark yet hilarious to think of some alternate Jordan Peterson who could have become a brilliant psychologist but instead landed himself in jail due to an overly aggressive tendency and so instead he leads a small gang of thugs in prison and one day he orders his men to hold someone down whom they've been informed is a snitch and Jordan pulverizes the man's legs with a led pipe as punishment. "Oh you'd better be ready for this aye? This is what happens to guys who snitch in here, Bucko!"
roughly speaking
Arkenholm his cell would almost certainly be filthy!
the victim: " W-w-who the hell are you ?!?!
Peterson: "I'm one of many physical manifestations of hell, roughly speaking!"
*begins brutal beating *
Arkenholm ahahahahahah "roughly speaking"😂😂😂
I can imagine the alternative timeline now. Smugglypuff shows up at a Peterson rally, runs on stage and steals his microphone. A quick chase ensues followed by a bit of a struggle. Smugglypuff strikes Peterson in the balls and retreats behind a wall of SJWs.
Police show up having witnessed everything and bring them both together to take reports. Smugglypuff starts denying everything, whilst making a smug face more smug than anything has ever smugged in the history of smuggness. All of a sudden, SJWs start pushing the police whilst calling them fascists for protecting Petersons' right to free speech. At this point, Peterson begins to lose his cool. As the crowd and police are distracted, he can tolerate the smugness no longer. He makes a grab for the microphone. In a struggle, Peterson is forced to push Smugglypuff; He watches helplessly as (it) loses balance and falls to the ground, catching (its) head against the sharp corner of an uneven paving slab. Peterson grabs the microphone from (its) clutches and sees there's no movement. After only a few seconds there's a lot of blood too, and for the first time in history, Peterson panics. He is appalled by what happened and how he reacted in that moment of frustration, but unsure of how the SJWs will react to this situation, he flees the scene for his own safety.
He gets home and switches on the local news. Peterson is wanted for questioning in connection with the death of Smugglypuff. The mainstream press are already vilifying Peterson with loose collections and sketchy eye witness testimonial. Nobody clearly saw what happened, but that's not stopping them from inventing a narrative.
(A few years later)
Peterson is wanted for murder and fled Canada. Both he and his work were discredited, along with having his actions held up as examples of the oppressive and violent far-right. The sympathy accrued for the transgender movement paves the way for the smooth introduction of bill C-17. Now farting in the vicinity or otherwise offending a transgender persons' delicate nasal passages is considered a hate crime. They can also decide if you're assuming genders just by gaze and pupil dilation. If you look at them in a way in which they find displeasing or discriminatory... you could potentially be imprisoned or heavily fined. Bill C-16 became heavily enforced too. Leading to a market wide refusal to hire anybody with dyed pink hair, transgender affiliation or that is even remotely unconventional looking.
Peterson, shocked and abhorred by what he was seeing unfold, begins his decent into madness. His only alternative was to become the villain he was already made out to be. He dusts off his prison costume and fashions it into a vigilante costume.
This fall AMC brings you Peterson The Punisher. A man driven to madness. With one motive, bring down the Ontario Human Rights Commission by ANY means necessary.
5:30"The terrible experiences that many children have with their parents is a testament to that." I love how he says that and immediately drinks a sip of water to let that sink in everybody's heads.
Maybe he was just thirsty
His conclusion is very Biblical, “The heart of man is desperately wicked”.
@Who let the virus out? Woof woof woofhan No U ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Hey now, give him some credit. He did take the time to say it in a Kermit voice.
He's absolutely right. You don't have to go any farther than the mirror to know that's true.
Shane C Hostetler, I was thinking the same thing.
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” - Jeremiah 17:9
@@jelenaa The fruits of the spirit have rotted on the vine.
4:03 - The good ol' Canadian "eh" comes through.
Lmao, it's almost was like a tick of Tourrets
"I am not a gun."
The Iron Giant 1999
"I am a gun."
MGS Peace Walker 2010
"...[P]eople keep giving me guns and do I wish they wouldn't."
Doctor Who 1966
I need more Patrick Troughton in my life...
Top class film
Everyone cries now.
I am glad Jordan Peterson is on our side…..
Dunder Hill He is on everyone's side
No spongebob I'm not on anybody's side.
What side is he on?
The good side !
what the hell does this comment even mean?
When you ask, "Am I capable of extreme violence?" I would think you'd have to take circumstances into account. A man in Texas walked in on a man who was sexually molesting the Texan's little daughter and the father beat the man to death. Now, you can argue that the Texan could have just restrained him or punched him a few times, he didn't have to kill the man. But you can understand a father having that sort of rage. That's a different sort of thing that someone who just beats someone for the fun of it.
You'd get a reduced sentence if that were to happen.
@@eliask6797 pretty sure you wouldnt even be charged with anything in Texas, or most states for that matter.
@@compassbrian Sorry didn't clarify. Was talking from Swedish law. Here, we have a name for this kind of crime (and similar) it's called "Dråp" it's murder but with a situation that is a little more forgiving, let's say we have the situation of the Texan father, he still kills a guy and we only have one law that gives you freedom to kill someone and that's in self-defense (or in defense of others that are in a VERY dangerous situation and risking their life). However, in this scenario the daughter wasn't in any life-threatening situation and therefore the father decided to kill the man, but since the surroundings with the harassment and stuff just occured we would sentence him to about 3-6 years in Prison for "Dråp" (I'm pretty sure you guys also have this law but I can't remember what the name is).
I'm a lawyer student for prosecution of criminal cases, so take that for what it is. I'm not fully done with the school yet so I could have done some mistakes. :)
Pretty sure most americans would look at rape as extreme violence. Not to be rude here, but I can see Sweden's judicial system is a big reason in why Sweden leads the western world in rape violence. From this law you described, as well as no doubt many other government mandated reasons.
Good Golly Miss Molly
I believe that man you reference walked on manslaughter charges, or was never even prosecuted. i don’t think a jury of 12 could ever unanimously agree to force a father to rot away in prison after walking in on his child’s horrific molestation and in-turn losing his mind.
My personal experience. I got jumped by 10 cowards and got battered with baseball bats. I took at least 60 wacks or more. My left side of my body was more or less fully bruised and lumped. I had over 12 lumps on side of my head. Ligaments were torn and 2 broken ribs. I really got away with I’d say minor injuries considering the beats I took,
I was definitely not a coward prior to that beating but I’ve never harmed anyone . I always stood my ground. But now I’m more cautious and paranoid but after the beating I took I’ve become more brave and stupid and I feel like I’m more of a monster than I was, but one thing for sure I could do more worse to those bastards than what they did to me.
I knew a guy, a tough guy who always liked me for some strange reason, I'd tell him a few jokes etc (call it self preservation)
at a dance a huge fight broke out, they turned the lights on, and the tough guy had another boy and had him by the hair and was kicking him in the face, just battering this other kid. The look on his face was pure joy, sure he was snarling, but his eyes were blissful, like an opera singer hitting the perfect note, or the artist having a breakthrough on some masterpiece etc - I think they used to call it bloodlust - but in that moment you could see perfect happiness
In high school I also witnessed a fight between 2 guys and then one of the buddies came in and started stomping on the other guys face with a big grin from ear to ear.
victory and freedom make men happy. society does NOT want you to know this (be a man)
that's like begbie in trainspotting
edgelords assembled here i see
I remember witnessing something like that as well. A guy who I always bowed down to in high school beat another kid two different times and clearly loved it more than anything else. The kid ended up taking boxing lessons and almost beat "the guy" to a pulp on the last week of high school. Turns out tough guy was a rat and just as much of a pussy as anyone else. Called the cops and got mommy and daddy involved. Kid got charged with assault. Funny world we live in.
I'm always wary of the guys who say stuff like "Oh, I couldn't hurt a fly!"
It is those who pretend to be prey that are the most dangerous predators.
yep
Josh Crews Rick and Morty
Indeed, their latest episode touched on this with Jerry.
Josh Crews as that type of a guy, I am telling you: youre fucking right. Mess me with and Ill fucking murder everyone you fucking care about (altho you need to REEEEEEEEEALLY push me to get to there)
I love your honesty.
I've met people that have this smile and air about them. You can tell there is something sinister about them, despite them claiming to be "such a good guy". I've never been fooled by that personality type (at least not that I'm aware of.)
Ahah im from Portugal and he had me Laughing when he said he bought a “capote” (the cape he talks about), going to a prison with that, must’ve stood out
"All humans are always loaded. (Treat them so!) Never point the human at anything you are not willing to destroy. Keep your finger off the 'trigger' until your sights are on target (and you have made the decision to shoot). Be sure of your target and what is beyond it." Modified gun safety rules in the context of his point at the end.
Wow only someone like JP would spend 2 weeks in a prison voluntarily to look at the worst of the worst and ask himself "how could I ever become such a monster?" in an effort to understand that fate and help others also avoid it.
I mean am pretty sure he did it for the main reason of knowing himself😅
Just remember prison has lots of terrible people sure but it also has lots of good people to sometimes you have to do things your not stoked on doing. Other times some people just deserve to die or be killed so sometimes good people have to kill worthless pieces or shit and end up in jail. 95% of murderers are convicted because of motive.
Many people do it
No, I would do that myself, if I had the possibility. I just can't imagine, that I would come to the conclusion, I easily could pulverize a man's leg, after thinking about it for two weeks ...
Some murderers have been pushed by Psychopaths to strike back.
Murderers are made, not born.
You only have one act to judge the whole soul of a man, and you assume much my dear bilbo.
I heard this speech some while back and was looking for it again, as it was one of the very first stories that impacted me personally. I got out of prison 8/19/90, drank like an idiot 8/18 and experienced the miracle of not going back to prison (I had a spiritual experience, but the spiritual awareness came on 8/19). At 3:30 A.M. 8/19/90, I got honest about my drinking/alcoholism, and sobered up. I've been sober since then and have not returned to prison, either. Yes, angels wear many faces. Some look beautiful, some look ghastly, but when we change we change and see life differently. Like John Armstrong, I use my past to help people. Knowing we are all capable of ugly behavior if we don't stay in alignment with our true selves, is a part of humility that sobers the wise soul. But for the grace of God, there go I sort of a thing. Jordan's recent interview with Charles Joseph opened my heart, too. OMG I'm so glad Jordan is using his life to raise people's love for themselves and others. God knows the world needs more love.
Your views have really helped me. Thank you and well done
@@annewatkis5824 My privilege.
I like the honest way in which he reveals his mind. And he has got a very good point. Every murderer was born as a human being, and every human being has "the potential" to become a murderer. In the Yugoslavian civil war, former neighbors were killing each other ... Indeed, the murderer does not belong to a different species, but somehow, something is triggered within him, that might be part of all of us. In my opinion, this is topmost psychology, that can really help in understanding how the human mind works
it's easier to inflict suffering on others when you've experienced alot of suffering yourself
I find that differs from person to person. Some people will recreate their past experiences in future situations because that's all they know, while some will use past experiences as a guideline on what not to do in future situations.
Blake Really? Having suffered is exactly what makes me try my hardest to reduce the suffering of others, and avoid inflicting any
The less you experienced the less you recognize, the less you recognize, the easier to apply.
heyy that's pretty edgy
It depends whether the suffering comes from an external source (cold weather, hunger in times of famine, predators) in which case you will help others not to go through the same experience, or whether the suffering originates from a human choice which didn't need to be as cruel as it was (prison sentences, police brutality, particularly vicious family breakups). In the latter case, that is when people turn to thinking about causing suffering, as someone intentionally and consciously caused them suffering.
That's not a serial killer. Just a murderer.
I doubt those 2 were his only two victims, I just went ahead and assumed there is at least a 3rd one.
why would you assume that?
No one kills two cops by shooting them in the back while they beg for their lives, on a lark.
Bite-sized Philosophy someone isn't considered a serial killer until they have killed in at least three different scenarios. It isn't just based off total number of people killed alone.
I think he didn't took his medication the little guy.
We don't understand how observant those children are... we forget how much we remembered as children and how far back we can remember... Those kids are watching you, seeing how you act, seeing what you do, how you respond, how you live, and learning that "this is the way the world is", even if it might not be... so take heed
1:30 he's referring to Obidos, absolutely beautiful "castle," if you would.
Viva Portugal :D
Portugal caralho! Maybe, although by the cape's description, it could be a samarra alentejana, so it could also be somewhere in Alentejo
PORTUGAL CARALHO!
He’s refreshing. It’s hard to find people who are willing to do honest introspection. Honest truth seekers. Very, very rare. I really enjoy this vulnerable honesty.
'He thought of himself as a good man, but truly good men never think of themselves that way at all'- John Conelly
His "Your Shadow" lecture was awesome. Helped me with some problems I was having.
well spoken as always. its funny; somewhat recently i was talking to a coworker about how i was shocked at the similarities between me and one of the columbine shooters in accordance with what i had read from his journals that had surfaced after the attack. my coworker was looking at me like i was a mass shooter waiting to happen lol but truly i remember feeling that same teenage angst and resentment for literally everyone when i was younger. it made me sort of realize what these monsters made jordan peterson realize. i agree with him in the fact that we are all more capable of such terrible acts than we would like to admit. dont get me wrong, there are many maniacs in prison that i will never understand, but there are just as many monsters in those cells that i completely understand.
But you didn't. You felt the same angst and all. But you didn't. I am not sure of the validity of the level of bullying they received but if it was true I can kinda see it. Still other have gone thru similar violence and not shot up a school.
"You are a loaded weapon around children. The terrible experiences many children have are a testament to that."
Basically:
Light and Dark side coexist within us.
And thinking of urself as a loaded weapon makes you aware how easily if left uncheck your dark side can come to life in realitiy.
Indeed
Dark is an absence of light
Reading Carl Jung legitimately terrified me. I literally felt I was losing myself, and that any normal human being would never go through that exact same mix of enlightenment and foreboding while reading anything, ever.
Which of his works did you read?
This is something I realized a long time ago, when I was a kid. Just how easy it is for us humans to become evil. It is simply a psychological transformation that any human can undergo.
Being evil depends on perspective also
Many years ago though a local community college I taught a class in the local prison for non-risk prisoners. The shock was how normal they all seemed.
I have multiple felony convictions. Drug trafficking, fire arm trafficking and drug possession charges. I cleaned my self up and moved on with my life. I was taking a class at my local community college one summer. It was a creative writing course and we had to partner up one night. After talking to my partner for 45 minutes or so it came out that he was a DA. I recognized his last name and brought up one of his colleagues. He asked how I knew him and I answered with a smile, he gave me a good plea agreement. He got really nervous after that. The next night I was walking to my car and he was in front of me in the parking lot. I saw him turn around and look at me half scared. As if I was going to do something? Idk. It wasn't until then I realized how certain people saw us.
Green Deane, the key term is "low risk". The people you had are the type of people who are non-violent drug addicts/dealers, professional thieves, and the people who made a dumb mistake.
If you were dealing with hardened criminals, your perception would be the exact opposite.
Don't you think that DA had a justifiably reason to be nervous during your little parking lot crossed paths encounter. But more interesting, what did you think how certain people saw you before this happened?
No it wouldn't. Hardened criminals seem petty normal too.
No it wouldn't. When you separate a professional criminal from their way of life, they're relatively normal.
"Dread" a short story by Clive Barkers is a pretty fantastic representation of the lengths a human psyche can stretch when given nudges in certain directions
I distinctly remember embracing my shadow self at age 19. It’s how I got over my fear of the dark.
What are you in for? I never cleaned my room
Mutt lol
"They kept trying to trade their prison clothes for my cape" 😂😂😂
He would look fine in stripes.
@@kenbellchambers4577 you'd look even better 👍
That's it. Hollywood should definitely make a movie about Mr. Peterson
And we all know that Robert Downey Jr will play him
Dr*
It would definitely be interesting if they do it right. Jordan would essentially be the placeholder for the audience in the story, as his reactions to these kinds of people would be the same as the audience. It could definitely help articulate the path that’s these people go down and how to avoid that. I’m a huge advocate for people to be more psychologically educated because it would only prove beneficial to society as a whole and if there were more movies that explore the human psyche like Joker or any other movie that you think fits we would develop a greater interest in it and then have it more readily available for ourselves to utilize in interactions with people
There already is a documentary made about him.
czcams.com/video/iEhVTY_qJio/video.html
You’re welcome. 😉
Even the small chance it happens the amount of political bullshit that would come after would probably overshadow how good the movie would be.
Just about anybody could be pushed to do the unthinkable you never know until a situation arises. Do not judge someone by their worse day.
I think about this sort if thing all the time and never heard someone have the same opinion as me. Even psychologists talk about evil at times as if its some mystery some are just born with, and it can be a relief to believe that, that you are incapable of committing such an act, that you're above it. That may be true, but I think its dismissive and ignoring what caused the problem, a more realistic approach is to consider what it would take for you too commit evil, we're all more or less the same creature and are all capable of acting in varying degrees of evil.
mrRufffnTumble when I was young, if provoked to fight, I would try to get out of fighting, I would blackout in the fight and who knows how far you would go? Kinda like the series the hulk, without the green monster or all the clothes, my father did stop me after I was attacked in the street in front of the house. I was getting ready to start smashing my attacker's head in the pavement. I've had to learn to stay cool headed, not that I think I would kill, but that is always a possibility. Being a bouncer for a couple years, I would take whoever down and end it before they knew what was happening, just to make sure I didn't get close to that blackout possibility. 5 guy's jumped me after a superbowl party when I was stopping a robbery at the bar. I was down with a barstool on me with the other 4 kicking me. That blackout response saved my life on this occasion. I lifted the guy and stool up, never had to swing, growled and flexed and all 5 ran away. It's in there on everyone, it depends on the trigger I would say.
While I won't link another video here, I will copy the title of the video that's on CZcams that you might find relevant: Bryan Cranston: How Love, Drugs, and Power Inspired My "Breaking Bad" Performance as Walter White. His story in this video on him discovering another side of himself is along the lines of what you discovered, only he wasn't looking for it. He discovered it.
great video. thank you. I was once asked by a random guy on the street if I thought I was a good person, and I said "yes". He said, "why?" A hard question to answer, but the video you linked added some depth to the answer I develop in my head when I replay the situation.
When JP said "Because i was trying to figure out" and he paused i immediatly thought "which spice girl i wanna impregnate"
You have a fucked up mind xD
Joe Curran It’s a lyric from Eminem’s Slim Shady 😂
You're a basehead
And Dr Dre said Slim Shady you're base head
Microorgasms only class you’ll ever pass is Phys Ed.
Thank you very much for putting the source of this video, I wanted to watch more when yours stopped and I was like "Damn, how will I find it whole" and then I looked at your description with little faith and there it was!
That is described by Plato. Every man drives a chariot with two horses. A black and a white. The black will send you to hades , the white will send you to the sun. None of them should have the lead, you as a leader must lead these two horses between sun and Hades.
Every person has the beast and the divine inside them. Our role in our life is to keep them under control.
But how you control the beast? Through athletics and arts.
I just spray painted a pole vaulter.
The more mature I get with life (greatly thanks to him), I understand and connect more and more with what he's saying.
But I get an insane amount of gratitude for having someone of his profession, knowledge, wisdom, AND experience, just literally bless us with infinate game!
We celebritize him. But what I see is a REAL Dr with thousands of patients and several decades of Real experience just pouring out some of the greatest information on psychology and sociology that the world has ever seen! 🙏🏽
I lived near the Ontario Hospital for the Criminally Insane. I was an educator who took a group of young adults to sit in on "workshops" of the inmates. We were in small groups of 10 or fewer persons: one guard/psychology therapist, 1/2 dozen or more inmates, and a couple of us visitors. The routine was talk therapy where the discussion was about an incident in the one person's life. These people seemed normal to me. Later it was explained to me and my students just what the history of these inmates was. They were all rapists and murderers. BUT they seemed so normal and everyday to me.
This happened in the 1980's when laws and practices were more open and fluid. I went away with a deeper understanding of the shadow we all carry and of how narrow the line is between good and evil in our character. I tried to teach myself and young people to "look in the mirror" when thinking about individual and cultural and national evils. The book "Ordinary Men" looks at the personalities involved in Nazi atrocities and is recommended reading.
thank you for putting the original source in the description!!
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
He exists?
@@DavidVazquezBk my question lmao
Greatest trick the human pulled was to trick everyone Into thinking the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he (the devil) didn't exist. Your quote is annoying, stupid and over used.
I had a similar experience when I went to jail for about a month. I was crying thinking my life was over, next thing I knew, I had 20+ guys over me telling me my life wasn't over, that it would be okay. That's when I realized even criminals retained apart of their humanity, that the only difference between me and them was, they had it worse growing up. Then I devoted myself to studying about the human condition, and what it meant to be human. I regret my actions that led me to that place, but I'm thankful for the opportunity to see that side of the world. That even men who were cast away by society, could feel for others and turn away from their misdeeds. For a moment and another, I understood them. And that has made me who I am today. I'll never forget that.
I can imagine the alternative timeline now. Smugglypuff shows up at a Peterson rally, runs on stage and steals his microphone. A quick chase ensues followed by a bit of a struggle. Smugglypuff strikes Peterson in the balls and retreats behind a wall of SJWs.
Police show up having witnessed everything and bring them both together to take reports. Smugglypuff starts denying everything, whilst making a smug face more smug than anything has ever smugged in the history of smuggness. All of a sudden, SJWs start pushing the police whilst calling them fascists for protecting Petersons' right to free speech. At this point, Peterson begins to lose his cool. As the crowd and police are distracted, he can tolerate the smugness no longer. He makes a grab for the microphone. In a struggle, Peterson is forced to push Smugglypuff; He watches helplessly as (it) loses balance and falls to the ground, catching (its) head against the sharp corner of an uneven paving slab. Peterson grabs the microphone from (its) clutches and sees there's no movement. After only a few seconds there's a lot of blood too, and for the first time in history, Peterson panics. He is appalled by what happened and how he reacted in that moment of frustration, but unsure of how the SJWs will react to this situation, he flees the scene for his own safety.
He gets home and switches on the local news. Peterson is wanted for questioning in connection with the death of Smugglypuff. The mainstream press are already vilifying Peterson with loose collections and sketchy eye witness testimonial. Nobody clearly saw what happened, but that's not stopping them from inventing a narrative.
(A few years later)
Peterson is wanted for murder and fled Canada. Both he and his work were discredited, along with having his actions held up as examples of the oppressive and violent far-right. The sympathy accrued for the transgender movement paves the way for the smooth introduction of bill C-17. Now farting in the vicinity or otherwise offending a transgender persons' delicate nasal passages is considered a hate crime. They can also decide if you're assuming genders just by gaze and pupil dilation. If you look at them in a way in which they find displeasing or discriminatory... you could potentially be imprisoned or heavily fined. Bill C-16 became heavily enforced too. Leading to a market wide refusal to hire anybody with dyed pink hair, transgender affiliation or that is even remotely unconventional looking.
Peterson, shocked and abhorred by what he was seeing unfold, begins his decent into madness. His only alternative was to become the villain he was already made out to be. He dusts off his prison costume and fashions it into a vigilante costume.
This fall AMC brings you Peterson The Punisher. A man driven to madness. With one motive, bring down the Ontario Human Rights Commission by ANY means necessary.
Where is the love interest? Your not giving anything to the cat ladies to hang on to in this story.
Mike Schnobrich That comes later in season one.
Get a job you hippy
😂😂😂😂😂
Fuck your long ass paragraph no ones wants to read all that
Very interesting. A reminder that many of us haven't even been in situations which significantly test our inherent extreme 'goodness' or 'badness.' And that most of us would succumb to such acts of violence given a supportive context, but most of us just don't find ourselves in one. This is why I feel a lot of compassion to many people who have committed heinous crimes, not that through that compassion it can justify murder, but just that the mind of that individual has often led them to chat choice in a way that many other people would also be led if they had followed the same path
This spoke to me, maybe more than any other lecture I've heard from Dr. Peterson
"Your not a good guy unless you've made a bloody effort to be a genuinely good guy. Its not easy."
As someone with ASPD. It's funny to hear him talk about having to meditate to understand how he could do a bad thing. I have to do that for good things, because good deeds, good actions, don't come naturally to me. I could so easily hurt someone close to me, as I could a stranger. But to buy that stranger food? I have to rationalize and understand why I'm doing such an action. What is the goal in trying to achieve, by doing such a thing.
So it's funny for him to say that he struggles being a bad person, because I struggle to be a good person.
Did you have a good childhood? Now im curious
@@HackerActivist The first 4 years of my life I was stuck in an orphanage in Ukraine. Then I was adopted and brought to America where I grew up with parents that care and loved me, but the damage was already done. I was emotionally neglected in the orphanage, and that caused me to stop feeling emotions and stopped caring about my actions or other people.
I am really sorry you had to experience that. I have read studies regarding how important development is for children during the first three years of life. Attentive care is critical during that period.
Quality as always ty Dr Strange.
I work in a maximum-security prison, and I’ll echo one of Dr. Peterson’s themes here: NEVER assume you know of what deeds someone is capable based merely on his exterior demeanour or appearance. Some of the friendliest, most harmless-looking, and most polite and respectful inmates I’ve met were guilty of horrific crimes of violence and bloodthirsty viciousness.
Keep that in mind the next time you’re yelling abuse at a waiter or hurling personal insults at a bank teller- it pays to be respectful to everyone, ESPECIALLY people you don’t know.
After listening to this I understand what he’s saying , sometimes I’m afraid of what I would do to a person if they did bad things to me . Would I be able to cross that line where I can hold my self back or completely go nuts
There's this bit in Alain de Botton's book The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work where he notes in passing that everything around him is the product of someone's labour. Now I noticed this when i was about 5 or 6, looking at the molding around a light switch after being near someone whose job it was to clear scurf from manufactured plastic chunks.
It's always kept me aware of how much work there is between field and table, how much effort thrums in all the made things around us. Even if you can sniff derisively at the simpleton who operates the machine that spits out slabs of rubber, people who utterly discount them have a warped view and it shows.
Now I don't recall where and how I understood the malevolence within human nature, but it seems to have always been there and I didn't need a visit to any monster holding facility to get it.
Similarly, I saw a clip with Joe Rogan and Jocko Willink talking about Dr JP, and Jocko mentioned that the good Doctor knew things that he, Jocko, had learned "in real life".
What distinction he was making is still unclear to me and I wonder if the world wouldn't be better if people could learn without having to spill blood or risk their lives. If reading a book is not real life, yet yields the same wisdom, isn't real life an awkward, backward, messy and wasteful place to learn things?
I saw that part of that interview with J. Willink. I do recall that the... whatever cynicism was in the tone of that remark about so-called "real life", to me, came across as a sort of self-deprecation. In any event, in context it seemed certainly clear to me, that far from disparaging Peterson's "intellectual" path to self-knowledge (and/or knowledge of human nature more broadly... I'd have to go back and re-watch to remember why the comment came up), he was more saying that while Jordan figured these things out with the admirable (rare) abilities of real analytical brain-power applied in the abstract realm, he (Willink) had to go through the trials of "learning it the hard way". The latter path being, precisely as you say, indeed a lot more... "messy", or at least inefficient.
But whatever the route, the point is the end goal: the necessary right understanding of life and people's real roles (good or ill) within it. The trouble with "real life" -- which is exactly what makes it so messy as to need the "Hands-on" skills of a guy like Willink just as much as we need the Intellect of guys like Peterson -- is that of all those people in all those roles, very few of them do the necessary thought-work by EITHER path, to properly understand the reality they're living in. Folks are delusional about their own real EFFECT on the world system, first because they're deluded about the NATURE of the world's system.
I may not be communicating this very coherently... but perhaps it would help to consider: without the messy side of human experience, the guys like Mr. Willink down in the dirt with grime under their fingernails and blood under their boots... Where then would be the historical context of tangible events (the real outward interplay of demonstrable cause-and-effect) within which to APPLY the abstract analytical abilities of the few guys like Dr. Peterson? Even if the theoretical philosophers of the world could explain the nature of things satisfactorily for their own investigations, it's when they're stuck with the unenviable task of trying to convey these lofty insights to the rest of us poor ignorant schmucks, that they need practical, tangibly provable examples to point to. Literal "object lessons", for the many of us who are simply, sadly incapable of real learning by ANY means other than "the hard way".
Ok, people really do learn things differently, what's tragic is how few learn at all.
I suppose the dream would be for people to be able to get some wisdom without danger or bloodshed and for it to be available to all, not just the clever and the unlucky.
xyaeiounn Not really, you can only learn quite a lot of things from practice, like riding a bike, learning a trade that isn't purely mental, things that involve any kind of hands on approach, you actually have to condition your brain to perfect many kinds of actions in life, not just absorb words and expect them to conveniently move your hands the right way at the right time.
xyaeiounn I saw somewhere about 10% memorize things from reading, 20% from listening and about 85% memorize them by doing, so that reveals an understated fact of human retention. The numbers may not be exact but they are very close, I'm only recalling from memory from reading it once. ;)
I was on about the nature of life, not card tricks.
Thanks for video
Loved the "loaded weapon" comments at the end.
double murder is not serial killing
I don't know man, someone who executes people like that doesn't seem to do it the first time. I just assume he murdered more than 2, don't think it's a stretch.
I could swear he was talking about pigs.
Bite-sized Philosophy He also killed the 2 people in one instance, while serial killers kill 3 people over a period of time, in different situations
Serial killing is murdering with 2 or more people with severe psychological, sadistic or sexual motives.
All in all. A murderer is a murderer
"It was something like that."
that little 'and by the way' he casually tossed in at the end while on his way to take a drink of water is honestly one of the most brutally painful truths I've ever heard and is something that perfectly sums up where majority of people's problems come from
The place in Portugal is Óbidos, is a tradicional town! Amazing to hear Peterson talk about it :)
"You are a loaded weapon, especially with children"
They are easy to step on, they are so little.
It's not daft, but that speaks volumes as to how cozy, intellectual environments make you naive to violent psychopaths. A genius psychologist was about to be led out to a prison yard and most likely shived, and he had no idea. I guess that's one advantage lower class people have over upper class... we would probably have somewhat of an idea who were dealing with.
Thaddius Glunt true
Yes, and I would add that naivete applies to a massive portion of western population. People who are simply not capable of imagining the horrors that occur outside of their cozy existence.
Well Jordan Peterson did not grow up wealthy
conduit99 Fck off
conduit99 It's not whites wanting to cause shit pal.
I wish I could see a picture of JP I that amazing cape! That would be epic!
Man among men. Strength in the face of tyranny. Intellectual giant !!! Get better Jordan, we need you more than ever. Please take care of yourself, and your family. When you do that and are ready, please come back to us. We need you more than ever in these craziest of times. God Bless you Jordan, your loved and admired by more people than you can ever imagine. Get better so you can help our current society get better also. We are sick also, but you need to take care of yourself b4 you can even think of helping society again. We love you Jordan, I pray you can feel the love and support we are all sending.
Now i understand shadow paradigm, wow
It's called: projection! Mr. Peterson is a narcissist.....
Me: ‘Why would you wear a cape like that, Jordan?’
Jordan: ‘Well it depends what you mean by cape’
Me: ‘Here we go...’
Being a beast and aknowledging that, is a very simple and important thing. It is neccessary not to be paralyzed in face of danger, it is to protect yourself and/if your family or loved ones.
Fear or pain will vanish momentarily, until you're dead or you've dealt with the situation. Embrace the beast inside you. You never know when you need it's help
I think the village Jordan is speaking of is Monsaraz, I was there my self for new years, nice place to visit.
"puts jokes on his multiple choice tests"
Ok, I guess the university I attended... was full of crazy professors.
Shooter was Steen Christensen from Denmark and he shot 2 finnish police 1997.
Not the guy.
I've always thought and said"The real monsters look just like everyone else"
Look at Ted Bundy?!
You know, I would really like to see the whole talk. Anyone knows where this clip is from?
Jordan Peterson continues to improve my outlook on the world.
Why is your channel logo on the bottom left hand corner? It bothers me.
Honestly, it bothers me too. CZcams is full of bot-like re-upload channels that re-upload the clips with clickbait titles and shill for their shady products and schemes. The logo helped minimize that, although some of them use a border to hide the logo now. I understand that it's silly looking, but it has it's purpose. I wish I wouldn't need it. I am not claiming ownership, there are lots of legitimate, good channels out there who do similar stuff like me, but I just want to get the shady channels off my back for a relatively cheap sacrifice. It also is a reminder for people that this isn't the official channel.
Except you are trying to claim ownership.
Legenden Ha! this has to be a troll
Gimpy its such a tiny thing too lol
Gimpy
Sick!
Thank you.
His Canadian is showing at 4:02 - ehy.
I really enjoy listening to this man.
He never explained how he thought he could do that to someone.
This
@Maxx Kroes That's a very different scenario than the one he described. He described two guys who pulverized someone's leg because they thought he was a snitch. Peterson then said that he had thought there was a qualitative distinction between those guys and himself, and that he was a good guy, and so he could never do that. Then of course he said he realized he could. I took him to mean that he could pulverize someone's leg for something like being a snitch (which many people would think only a truly "bad guy" could do), as opposed to taking justice into his own hands for some horrific crime like the ones you described (which many people would think not only wasn't a bad thing to do, but was actually morally justified).
9Ballr I think he was only referring to whether he could commit the act, not the circumstance. Most of us could be that brutal to some who interfered with our kids.
The lighting on his face makes me think he’s from Darkest Dungeon
He's a malignant internet narcissist! Fraude.
i've never enjoyed my mind being f****** blown apart more than when I listen to this man. he f***s everything in me up, and then I start to rebuild. just rips me to shreds and then I start a new balance. never thought I'd enjoy that. Thank you Dr. Peterson
I'm a pretty innocuous guy, at 14 I decided I would be a soldier. Having been brought up by the WW2 generation I had some insight into the brutality of war and the part that soldiers play in it. I needed to find a mind space where I could be brutal, ruthless and remorseless. I did find that place and I did become a soldier. Many of my peers, as 17 year old kids, had been through a similar reflection. We were professional killers yet we were the good guys. Countries train thousands of young people every year to be professional killers, some of them extremely skillful killers, Dr Peterson is right. It's not that hard. Not that I've ever done terrible brutal things to another human or animal but if I felt I had to there would be no hesitation. Without fear, without judgement. Homicidal criminals probably don't philosophise this much, they find the mind space another way.
I have that element of violence and malevolence in me, I recognized it quite early on. I can very well imagine to kill and torture somebody to death if given a good reason - that's what I would prefer in case I want to act out true revenge. In worse times it could manifest itself in the desire to want to "set the world on fire and watch people suffer." I also clearly saw myself as a viable sniper - which would be a mixture of willingness to sell my soul to the military and cause death in a more or less approved form (war).
I was quite a leftist back then... that changed with Peterson and Molyneux. I am not violent at all... but the potential, and even more so the suppressed urge to act out in insanity towards people driven by irrationality still prevails. It would be more a response like this: "So you people want to screw around with me and expect me to accept it like a coward? Do you people only understand force and violence? I will teach you true fear, and show you that you can't hide behind the mechanisms of bureaucracy. You will die, horribly, one by one."
Either way I think it might be a good source for writing books. One thing I would really like to write is a story which follows a main character, which starts of as humble, good, nice, harmless. Then he has access to supernatural powers, which drives him to act it out for "good," which over the course of the story renders him more and more malevolent and power hungry - as his increasingly radical desires to shape the world around him fails. It should expose the gradual corruption of the main character from the beginning to the ending in the archetype of how power corrupts. It should show the gradual change of his personality, but also how everything malevolent was always in him. As he grows near omnipotent, he still despises humanity as a whole, and is very well able to act it out viciously. The reader should feel sympathy for him, as he is passed on from each single step in his story, his achievements, his failures and his thoughts. The evil wouldn't have an own embodiment, there is no villain to defeat. In the mind of the main character there is, he is obsessed with the concept of good and evil. At some later point he considers himself beyond good and evil, and even humanity itself - he considers himself having transcended mortals, and demands to be worshiped as a god, which he basically became. He considers his doings to be part of him "recreating" humanity to his design - to which death, even if in the millions, is just a necessary step.
The actual "villain" could be however a character, who also got powers, which do barely anything - but render him immune to the powers of the main character and negate it. He would be the embodiment of freedom, the defiance to power - and his character would reflect an attitude of wisdom. To the reader he is only seen as an external character, an opponent, to whose thoughts they have no access. He just occasionally stands in the way, and neither is he defeated nor victorious. He is treated like a villain, yet he is the actual hero - from the very start to the ending - consistently. He neither had ambitions about affecting others' life or actively saving them. Would he be just the same if the powers were swapped? Or are they drawn to the powers based on their personalities? Or are the powers drawn to them?
Brian Viktor bro get some friends
Good read
Idk if you started to write the book, but the idea is impressive
being from portugal and being able to imagine exactly what the cape looked like, this is pretty hilarious
what is it like?
@@WintaAssefa probably something like this: myalentejo.pt/capote-alentejano
it's worn in rural areas, it would look out of context in most places even here, let alone in a canadian prison haahahahahahah
@@TheHerothief true. But I could totally wear that. It looks quite flattering
So insightful
Anyone is capable of anything, if placed in the right circumstances.