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- Jeff Benedict, author of 'The Dynasty,' joins Colin Cowherd to discuss his book and how it compares to Apple TV's documentary 'Dynasty.' He dives into how the New England Patriots dynasty compares to other football ones, along with when the Bill Belichick-Robert Kraft relationship began to diminish. Benedict also discusses the Malcolm Butler benching, the Aaron Hernandez fiasco and more.
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Why? Trying to watch this interview. Stop bothering me.
😊😊😊😊😊😊pⁿ❤❤❤@@johngalt60
I think Colin is under appreciated as an interviewer. He usually has some pretty thought provoking questions.
As long as Colin isn't commenting on Economics, Politics, and Medical choices, I'm all ears.
@@jayp4114and relationships
What a interview, jeez that was incredible
Nobody every talks about Malcolm Butler benching. Somebody has to come forward.
I know it still bothers me I need closure. Bill needs to explain himself but his narcissism will never allow that.
@@chriscranston7189 He put his hands on Steve Belichick. All parties agreed to never discuss it. Pats actually did a good thing for Butler. He was able to move on to another team without his reputation being destroyed
Yeah supposedly he hooked up with Steve Belichicks wife, put his hands on Steve. Bill and Steve were seen early pre game walking and talking before making the game time decision. This info was from someone out the Kraft office. Which makes sense since no one else knows but Bill, they never speak upon it. Also I believe when Malcom came back he def had a NDA in his contract to never speak on situation
@@steveaustin4424damn first I’m hearing anything of this but it always bothered me. Thanks
The story is there but no one wants to report it. Two friends are local sports reporters, who do free lance national work. They have colleague and classmates that work for all the Boston sports teams.
Malcolm Butler ranked 12th out of 64 starting DBs his first year. The year of the Eagles Super Bowl he dropped all the way down to 48 out of 64. He wanted a contract extension was showing the behavior that left him going undrafted. The week of the Super Bowl Malcolm Butler said he may give his best during the Super Bowl if he didn't get a contract. After a season's worth of poor behavior and then threatening to throw the Super Bowl they benched him. His first year with the Titans Butler finished DEAD LAST, 64 out of 64 in the NFL.
tom is such a great human being, after watching the documentary you can see that he avoid talking bad about anyone and compliment everyone.... a perfect role model i would say
You say that and look what his wife did to him. He took the high road and she still continues to embarrass him daily. But its his cross to bear the rest of his life
@@BradSmith-ov3mi but that just show her character, doesnt affect my view of Tom Brady one bit.
@@phamchithienmy favorite video of Tom is when a kid ask him who his hero is and he tears up and says “My dad”
Yeah.... Perfect except:
1. Insecure to the point where he wouldn't share knowledge/ contacts with Jimmy G (wouldn't share his trainer when Jimmy was hurt)
2. Went to Robert Kraft to leverage the situation and ask the Jimmy G be traded
3. Lied to the public about his role in the deflate incident..... destroyed evidence in essentially obstructing justice when the league was requesting cooperation. Took a hammer or whatever and smashed his phone into pieces.
4. Was not exactly beloved by the mother of his 1st children -
Wow what a saint. Get better heroes than that man @PhamChiThien
@@MrLarryLessor so what if he is flawed, that what make him one of us, he is no saint and so are we. As it is people already said that he is too perfect, he is prob will be more charming if he has more flaws really.
Jeff Benedict's book is brilliant - well worth a read
Awesome segment
People can hate Colin all they want, but ESPN doesn't have content of this quality
@@stolekostov5111 Yea they focus on the present and future not the past.
@@nickbarcheck1019 "A generation which ignores history has no past and no future"
bragging that you lack the mental capacity to understand more than what is happening today and today alone doesn't make you cool, but for some reason you sure seem to think it does lol
I decided to buy the book instead of subscribing to Apple+ to watch the docu-series and boy was that the right decision. I can’t put this book down. I had no idea what was going on in Foxborough, MA during the Dynasty. Well written and intriguing. Great book!!!
Me and Colin both asked "What was the question" at the same time
The amazing thing about the Patriots run was that they went 10 yrs without a SB championship, amazing they had 2 different runs with largley different players, except for Brady
You are correct, Brady costs the Pats A LOT of SBs in those 10 years...
@@msp5138 what years
@@msp5138idiotic comment
@@msp5138 he also won a A LOT of SBs too.
This dude is nuts
That was a really good f'in interview. Thanks.
Great interview
Anybody else see rodney harrison and devin mccourty feeling duped about their interviews with the dynasty and them not liking the way belichick is portrayed?
Rodney was almost out of the NFL and is a Belichick lap dog like T Bruschi is they were both old hard nosed NFL vets who had to watch Brady go from backup to on the cover of magazines lot of jealousy from them they try and down play him and take the credit for them selfs for those early title
Exactly! People are crazy and actually believe Brady is responsible for the patriots success 😂. Brady basically was Kirk cousins with good teams! Those defenses consistently were top 3,5, or 10 at worst! How could anyone lose with that?? This was made to make Brady the hero and Belicheck the villain! Point,blank period!
@@markjefferson2434 Belichick exposed him self were you in a coma the last 4 years?? Brady carried that franchise for 20 years then went to a random team and won there
@markjefferson2434 brady still a huge part of those wins bill was just portrayed as if he held them back from 10 more superbowls
@davis2k1234 brady didn't go to a random team he went to the best offense he could go to that season 2 1000+ yard receivers good oline and a solid defense if he went to the raiders before davente adams went there that would of been random
This was so long because it needed to be - bc the subject is just amazing - what a great job Colin does too!
Tom takes the high-road on Bill because he has the up-most respect for him. From what I understand after Tom's first game back in Foxborough they met for 2hrs after the game.
Obviously, they have more than a level of general respect amongst themselves. After 20yrs I'm sure they have a bond beyond football.
Thank you sound guy for fixing the last clip!
Excellent interview
I binge watched the whole documentary the last 2 days and it's among the best pieces of sports storytelling ever written where every main character is incredibly compelling. My main takeaway is a quote from the very First episode that said: "Players WORKED for Belichick and PLAYED for Tom" That is everything
Great interview! Sat in my car for an extra 15-20mins just to listen and finish this segment 👏
Wishing you more Joy and Peace every day! Unconditional Love flowing through to you
nice interview
Phenomenal interview
Really great show Colin I love football history, and Baseball History. Many years ago I had a big baseball book on 1900 to like 1996. It had ever team roster you name it all kinds of trivia, man I wish I had that book again❤😂🎉❤
Damn good guest Q&A
Doc was fire!
Bill needed to at lease tell his Dam team …..
The documentary seems to celebrate more of the scandals then the achievements. Also skipped over Kraft getting arrested
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Thanks for fixing the low mic Colin 🫡🔥🔥🔥
I listened because I thought I would hear the reason why Malcolm Butler was benched. I will be buying the book.
Snuckered is a funny word 😂
It's even funny to say out loud to yourself. I just did. And laughed
"Snookered"
Snookered is a term from the billiards game, Snooker. Which more or less means that you have given your opponent a nearly impossible shot to make, by hiding the object ball from the cue ball, by placing another ball between the two. So your opponent has no safe way to take a shot at the object ball straight on. Essentially forcing them to take a safer shot, that has a much higher chance of leaving you with an easy straight shot and an opportunity to make multiple shots in a row.
@@HawgWyldFishing it's STILL a funny word. Lol
Immaculate reception @ Pittsburgh was pretty great
People criticize Tom for that last Patriots Super Bowl he was going against Aaron Donald and Suh as well as a bunch of other veteran studs! He didn't play great I'm a Brady apologist but I can admit that but he did what he had to do to win the game. However that Patriot defense that won them the Super Bowl easily could have lost them the game against Mahomes but Brady went score for score with Patrick to get them to that Super Bowl that the defense won for them So you don't take away anything from Brady or the defense because it's a team game and sometimes your balanced and when and sometimes one carries the other.
Smashed the 👍🏼 @245
So why did Butler got benched ? Still one provided an answer to that
Disciplined for arguing with a defensive coach is what I heard many many years ago
Heard same thing and that coach was belichek son
Colin kills it as usual...
Great interview one for the books
Tebow got Hernandez out of real bad trouble a few times down in Gainesville. People knew.
I’m not doubting what you’re saying, but what trouble was Hernandez getting into that Tebow was getting him out of? I’m just intrigued is all.
Colin Cowherd is so excellent as his work.-------G.O.A.T. !
Save ppl some time: No, there’s no answer to why Butler was benched in this interview.
Why did BB bench the CB in the Super Bowl? No one seems to know.
He took a picture with Belichick kids wife at a party. The wife put it on IG and the rest is history. Brady threw for 505 yards and Belichick didnt force on punt in the game
23 minute video? Has to be one of the longest interviews Colin has ever done on his show
Waste of airtime. The Pats dynasty is old news.
@@nickbarcheck1019and yet u decided to comment on a comment on this vid lol
@@Thirstylion314 I'm allowed to comment on whatever I want.
@@nickbarcheck1019 yeah and Colin is allowed to do whatever interviews he wants on his shows, and obviously it's an interesting topic to a lot of people for a lot of different reasons.... feel free to go find something that isn't a "waste of airtime" to you, there's endless content out there these days, should be able to find something that interests you
@@mattcarberry368 Uh oh. Somebody sounds triggered. Patriots fan???
Bill didn't make a tackle, didn't throw a pass, Bill is nothing without the GOAT!!
My take is Bill started believing his own hype especially after the Super Bowl win against the Rams. That win confirmed in his head what he already thought, that he didn’t need Brady. That the dynasty was more about him and the Patriot way he created. Boy was he proven wrong
Yeah his ego got in the way the last 5 yrs.
Nah they don’t sniff playoffs without Brady that year
When the patslost brady that was easily the biggest hit but they also lost a legendary oline coach the same year and their rb coach as well as their oc wide receivers and tight ends coach the following year way to much turnover to even be competitive
Not playing butler cost that super bowl
Why was he benched?
Wrong he benched butler because opposing qb had a whopping 120 passser rating when targeting butler that year in playoffs
Butler was awful in playoffs that year that’s why he was benched also the same patriots defense without butler held the rams to only 3 points the next year in super bowl so no
I heard Butler showed up late to a team meeting or something like that.
@@123shoshanWrong NE defense was getting torched don’t put it on Butler that Patriots defense wasn’t good that year 29th in Yards against and 30th in Pass yards against Butler was a super bowl hero mind you so there’s that and he was by far the 2nd best CB on the team Eric Rowe was a trashcan practice squad player that the Eagles cut 2 years before and they went after him all game
A one sided documentary is not a documentary it’s a hit piece a documentary can survive peer review
ok lets review the most recent reports on Bill Belichicks credibility in 2024 and beyond..... 8 job openings, several others that easily could have been created to bring Bill in if they wanted (Dallas, Philly etc), yet what did he get for interest on the open market in a league that loves big splash moves and flashy names to sell? ONE TEAM requested to interview him, then quickly moved on and went in the other direction... and that's it, end of list lol so either it's a "hit piece" or it's just reflecting/contextualizing the reality that everybody gets passed by eventually and the NFL recognized that it clearly happened to Bill
he has 8 rings … i don’t think he cares … 😀
It's not one sided. Everyone had a chance to say their piece. The problem with being a fan is that it can blind you. Sorry.
Just take it for what it is. Brady is reserved. Belichick is a sociopath and a mute, Kraft is the only one who talks, and he’s the one with the money.. so naturally it’s going to be from his perspective. I was rolling my eyes for a lot of it with how self indulgent it with Robert’s narrative.. but it’s just like the Last Dance being from Michael Jordan’s perspective, all documentaries have a point of view, just accept that this is Kraft’s point of view and appreciate it for what it is
@@markparhar1346 he lost his job, lost his reputation as a "genius", and lost Don Shula's all-time record that he'd been chasing for years, and could barely even get one single job interview on the open market... yeah i guarantee you he cares a lot
Slater, Edelman, Harrison and Law have crucified this writer and the producer's of the documentary. They all said they were interviewed for hours and all they showed were any negative or perceived negative comments. They didn't bring up anything that was good or insightful. Edelman and Slater went off on Edelman's podcast.
Can we have Jeff on more often?
I don't get why people are not more outraged about learning that the entire Patriots organization (owner, players and coaching staff) are convinced that the Head Coach practically lost a SuperBowl on purpose just to get-off during one of his many power trips. To me, this is just as serious as gambling on yourself to lose or dropping a fight in boxing. This explains why 2017 Belichick was going out to music concerts with his wife on SB week. He just didn't care about winning anymore.
New girlfriend
You don’t think he cared about winning? You sound crazy lol
Great stuff. Under the helmet way and behind the scenes.
Colin rip a page out of the book of Tom's professional excellence and put the mic up to your mouth ;-)
And people will still find any reason to hate on the goat.
Insightful. If you want excellence you have to push it to the limit. TB12 gave his heart and soul. And it’s only fair to expect everyone to do the same. I will say this. He didn’t retire because he couldn’t play. He retired because the divorce was hurtful. What I wish? That TB12 heals and comes back for 8 then retire. Not even Jordan could do that. I would give anything to see that happen. I very much appreciate the impact he’s had for the sport and in New England.
Yeah, Jeff, there's no other undefeated team that had something really, incredibly weird happen out of nowhere to them at the end of the Super Bowl...
If people hate Tom Brady it really is just jealousy because he continues to show it’s not an act. He’s a kind individual with a competitive fire and love for the people who helped him get where he is.
@rob Parker for sure 😂
😂😂😂 It’s not hate ; it’s criticism! Nobody is above it! And if you think he won those rings by himself your as silly as Colin. He was a 6th rnd pick for a reason. He never even beat out Bledsoe! Belicheck gave him the job! And what do people say; Belicheck was the villain! So I guess having a rope 3,5 or ten defense had nothing to do with his success? Nothing?! 🤦🏾♂️I’ve never seen a Qb other than Montana who had more around him then Brady! People think he’s innocent or whatever but clearly Malcom butler and Rodney Harrison had different opinions. And yea he seems very disingenuous. You have your own opinion; but I gurantee people who actually know football he would tell you I couldn’t have done it without the team! That would be the only honest thing.
Like I guess he knew nothing about spygate or deflate gate!
The man told the Bucs to practice in doors because people “record “ your plays?😂 Now how would he know that?🤦🏾♂️
@@markjefferson2434 where did I ever say he won it by himself? You said that. And there’s maybe two players he’s ever played with that has said something g bad about him and one is Antonio Brown. You brought up the “didn’t win on his own” thing not me.
What about Ernie Adams? he was key to the dynasty.
Tom is my familys hero he gave us so many great memories. You cannot be as passionate as Tom and be disengenious. He wears his heart on his sleeve and he cares about people. He played so well because Bill was like his dad and Toms neverending goal was his approval. Bill used that and never gave it to him. In Bills mind Toms feelings were the cost of Victory. Its all over now Bill tell Tom what he really meant to you. Dont you owe him that much.
I can kind of see it from Belichick's POV. The benching was proven to be a wrong decision because they lost, nothing he says can change that. There is no rationalization he can give be it performance, scheme, I don't like his swag, etc is going to make him look better. So just keeping quiet and taking his licks is the least bad scenario.
Uncle 😊
I always enjoy having Ric Bucher on
Same can be said about the San Antonio Spurs.
Fantastic interview and segment. TB12 is the forever goat. Argue with a rock.
Bill Belichick not explaining Butler’s benching & Pete Carroll not explaining that passing on 2nd down maximizes the number of plays they has to get in the end zone alienated players who felt they had a right to know why those decisions were made. IMHO they did have a right to know.
Recently Robert Kraft himself stated that it was personal only by coach Bill Belichick! Note it's the reason they did not win as first ever 3 SB wins in a row (and 4 out 5) along with Tom Brady trying to comeback passing for over 500 yards from that awful defense that went against Philly that game. Bill owed him a great defense against the Rams the next year. By the way one disagreement with the author is Tom's worst Super Bowl was the second one with the Giants where he spotted them 9 Points at the beginning of the game with an errand 2 Pt safety and subsequent touchdown due to the great field position he put them in. Other than that the Super Bowl trophy should be named after Tom Brady for what he has down for the game!
I guess you forgot Bill slowed the greatest show on turf too lol
Bill was tough
Very arrogant
He cost them the philly game
Never even explained his reasoning
Hope he coached his last game really
Take the six and run bill
If Bill cost them the Philly game are we going to say Tom choked against the giants 2x?
Cost Patriots a Superbowl and could have a three peat.
Tom put the Giz in Gisele
Edelman's long form podcasts "Games with Names" blows away the notion that Belichick wasn't fundamental to the success of the team.
The 2017 pats team was actually the best team of the 2010s they had. They shoulda won that game vs the eagle. I didn’t like how the doc made Bill look like a bad guy. But he is the reason that Tom left. Kraft shoulda moved on from Bill after 2019.
The best sport documentary i've ever watched.
Schnookered?!?
What does “schmuckert” mean?
All that “accountability” but none of it seemed to apply to Aaron Hernandez. Bill would destroy Tom Brady but not say a word to Hernandez.
This is sports talk radio.
This was actually awesome and enriching. Colin is true sports media. May not agree with everything he says all the time, but most of the time he absolutely nails it.
Hard to know what Bill knew about Aaron Hernandez before drafting him. I've see reports that some other teams removed Hernandez from their draft boards because of what they knew about him.
Bill was always a "bottom fisher" in the draft. Always looking for a player that was discounted by other teams for some reason that he could get with a lower pick than his value. Gronk was underestimated by other teams because he was injured most of his college career. But Bill had a vision of two tight ends who could block and catch. He then could have an offense that could block heavy with a running game, including his usual full back, or they could pass. Keeps defenses on edge. Many teams now are still trying to emulate it, but its hard to find two good TE's that can block and catch. Belichick was a genius, but he never appreciated how much Brady made his system work.
Belichick intentionally benched Butler to prove a point. Belichick benched him to show everyone that he has power. Belichick intentionally threw the Super Bowl.
Jeff is sooooo much smarter than Colin. It's not even close.
Once again, Gregg Popovich was among the first to start employing the 3 point shot
WTF?
I have an idea…what if a person answered the question
and not go off on a long talk of maybe related stuff..but not at all an answer to the question?
Colin stated his opinion on Belichek and asked if the guy agreed and the guy can’t/won’t respond.
That’s when i shut off the channel
i read the book, and I thought it was good and balanced. Comments I get about the film sound a lot different than the book which sounds like a trashing of the Patriots.
Man ….. nobody knows why ….
So I guess Bellichek will take the Butler benching reason to his grave? No one can figure this out???
Can’t believe Kraft kept Bill over that Super Bowl win. Yes the defense played great all year but with that talent who wouldn’t. Stephon Gilmore was defensive player of the year.
The cowboys wouldn’t , and 31 other teams
No one thought much of Gilmore till Belichick plucked him off of Buffalo and made him a star.
Yeah won the SB the next year so wasn’t worth it 🤣 maybe if Brady didn’t throw a pick we would’ve beat eagles too
The strange thing is Belichick brought back Butler last year.
Why did BB bench Butler in the SB?
@@3crowns21because he was awful in the playoffs that year
@@3crowns21we probably will never find out. Belichick is taking that one to the grave.
I heard years ago that it was because Butler had a bad argument with a defensive coach the week of the Super Bowl and BB thought to teach him to be respectful and to discipline him he sat him for the SB, could be wrong but it’s what I heard
Even wilder, is Malcolm played 1 snap on special teams in Superbowl 52, confusing the matter further, as he was not even fully benched. Most seem to not even realize that he played that one snap either - boggles the mind everytime
We all know Brady played better mad, do people not think Bill Belichek is smart enough to figure that out?
Do basically the video basically blames Belicheck; but doesn’t give him any credit 😂?
Ridiculous. I guess Brady played defense too? He coached? No the owner coached? 😂
The 2017 Patriots had an atrocious defense. They were terrible with Malcolm Butler playing 97% of the snaps. I can't believe this is still a thing. The Eagles were missing their QB1, all pro OT, and starting MLB, by the way.
he is wrong, the Patriots were two seperate dynasties. A Dynasty doesnt take a decade off
When Brady left and won a Super Bowl is when Kraft realized he made the wrong move
He’s not the best player but he’s the greatest player to play QB.
Jeff Benedict is amazing to listen to.This was a great interview.
People forget Brady fumbled in biggest moment in the Eagles Superbowl. Bradys blunder is what sealed the victory for the Eagles
Pop didnt want to shoot threes but he did it in 2013 and 2014
Bill might admit he’s wrong not working as the patriots head coach but this documentary was being shot while he was still head coach
BB is under 500 without Brady
lol this guy is a glorified Robert Kraft employee
My book would be called "Why Belichick is Not a genius"
Dynasty*
Old Tom Brady beat Mahomes in his prime, and in his house. Don't ever forget that.
@@pickettmandi Tom beat the defense and Mahomes played the Patriots defense. I also remember the Patriots under Tom being absolutely destroyed by Alex Smith, your point? Not sure what any of that has to do with a Dynasty* marred by more than one instance of cheating.
@@joplinleo Kansas City players never go to jail who deserved to go to jail.
Tom Brady should have NEVER been shown the door , encouraged to leave, treated poorly, HE WAS THE FRANCHISE PERIOD!!!! New England will FOREVER REGRET allowing him to finish his career elsewhere. Huge mistake to end the dynasty like that.
But just made his career even better being able to win somewhere else in his first season. I think if he won in Tampa after maybe 3 seasons that would be impressive, but he did it in his first season and that makes him God tier
@@marcuscastillo514 oh I agree. He goes there they open out the gate that year and struggled to a 7-5 start at the bye he goes off on everyone demands some of his offense gets injected into the game plan and they don't lose again the rest of that yr winning the Superbowl against Mahomes and the Chiefs. Did nothing except separate himself from Belichick by doing that and then retires after 3 seasons in Tampa with a winning record overall 2 division titles back to back 3 playoff appearances and a Superbowl win over his heir apparent. Hard to end a 23 yr career any better than that. They really oughtta do away with the 5 yr wait period go ahead and enshrine him and give him his own wing by himself far as I'm concerned.
Sad thing is Tampa was in perfect position to go back to back they were better in 2021 but it all fell apart in that Saints shut game “knee gate” as I call it Godwin went out for the season on dirty hit which setup AB feeling like he had all the leverage and then T Wirfs went down and they were still a broken play from beating Rams
Go birds
Bill threw the game to punish Kraft
Once Bill started hiring family members, it said much. And Tom leaving. If owner I fire Bill keep Tom.