Things That Don't Make Sense About Ever After High
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- Things that Don’t Make Sense About Ever After High
In today’s video I will discuss things that never made sense to me about the Ever After High franchise, as well as include theories I have created to explain them.
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00:00 Introduction
00:48 Destiny
02:22 Escaping Fate
04:03 The Storybook of Legends
06:58 C.A. Cupid
07:35 The Lost Movie
08:26 Other Headscratchers
09:14 Conclusion - Zábava
Tell me what you guys think of my theories down below!
Kingdomorange, can you please a "Things that don't make sense about Bratz" video. Thanks.
Honestly love the theory and something else to speak about is who the other parent like for apple white she marry prince charming then have kids 1 need to be a girl and the other a boy so the girl take the role to be the next apple white and the boy the next charming but that would mean there related so that can't mean the apple and charming stay together after the story so that would make apple and charming siblings and to follow the story apple mom the old snow white would need to die then raven would marry apples dad for the story to happen but she is already apple Step Aunt cause snow white stepmother was raven mom so raven would be snows step sister but she then would be her step mother so if at the end of each sorry the chapters don't get a divorce each character would be related and it would make the story way more disgusting if You really look closely but the theory that they go in the book and play out the story could explain it
But something else to think about is for people like briar for her story when she sleep for 100 years wouldn't a beauty only be able to go to ever after high ever few 100 years cause her mom will be asleep for 100 years but everyone else story will keep going so some school years there will be no beauty's at ever after high so they would be considered one of the rarest story's to witness and they could have made that a plot like some people are happy to meet a beauty cause they sleep most of everyone's else storys but that wouldn't work for your theory cause they would go in the book and there could be like a tv show where the show the story's of each character And when they come out it just seem like they been gone for a couple of minutes to the story world but in the book it was years or centuries depending on how long there story will take
i could be wrong but i think cupid is from roman mythology, not greek. easy mistake, and like i said, i could be wrong
I Believe Ever After High was Awesome at they’re time
Wish Mattel would have stayed on track to the cross over movie
Monster High
&
Ever After High
Where Ghoul Girls from Monster High
Meets the Rebels & Royals from Ever After High
If well written and Fresher CGI Animation Designs
Could have saved both Monster High & Ever After High
Generation 3 Monster High
Is starting to Shine if it dose work out
Then we take plans for
Generation 2 Ever After High
And then Remind Mattel to get back on track to
Monster High
&
Ever After High
There hasn’t been any news on Ever After High’s Reboot but showing more results
What’s crazy to me is that Briar is going to be asleep while two generations of her friends’ kids live out their stories. Assuming she ends up with one of the future charmings, her prince is going to be the grandchild or the great grandchild of Daring, Dexter and Darling.
Lol Grandma Briar.
Unless the prince is cast into fairy sleep with her, in an enchanted dungeon somewhere.
So Briar's Prince isnt even born yet 💀
LITERALLY I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS LIKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
I feel like time inside the big story book of legends would be different. So the 100 years Briar would pass asleep, would be the same time as the week Apple slept too. That makes sense to me
I am still so so so so so so mad and disappointed that they cancelled the eah and mh cross-over, it would've been an amazing movie and mattel would make a lot more money from it. MATTEL IS LITERALLY NOT LISTENING TO WHAT WE WANT😭😭😭😭😭😭
I only agree to the last thing u said
Ikkkk
Me too. I love both of them.
they made a book but it didn't hit has good
no it's not mattel's fault it's disney ( i think) they cancelled it bc of decendants. i forgot the full story so u can look it up for urself.
I never understood the whole Royal/Rebel categorizations because Briar hates her story and doesn’t want to be asleep for years yet she’s a Royal and Maddie is excited to become the next Mad Hatter yet she’s a Rebel
Lmao good point
Maybe for briar she’s doing it for her family and Maddie maybe she has a secret sibling that was already destined or she’s doing it for another reason.
Maddie is a rebel because she supports Raven and the others in choosing their own destinies. She likes to break from the status quo (which fits the looney personality). Briar was originally a royal but later changed after she realized all she would miss if she was actually asleep for 100 years (see Thronecomming). She kept it a secret, so to the others, she was still a Royal.
Maddie and Briar would hang out with their best friends regardless of their own opinions
@@naharacenteno7393 Yeah that’s the other reason I was thinking
Yeah that makes no sense wouldn't that make Briar the Rebel and Maddie the Royal. Also what age do you start in EAH.
Also for Cerise and Ramona I like to think that people don’t ever think they look alike because the idea of it is too wild to be true. Kinda like the Superman effect. You wouldn’t think the guy sitting next you is Superman because they are too normal to be a hero. Cerise and Ramona share some traits but to be siblings would be a hero and a villain got together and that is considered impossible in this world.
Ahhh ok. That makes more sense.
Yeah I think people can’t believe that someone has defied the way the story goes let alone had kids with the antagonist of their story 💀
This is how i saw it too!
I mean, in the hat-tastic tea party episode if even someone like Maddie thought Cerise's wolf ears were fake at first glance, it doesn't sound too far fetched to think of that...
But also...idk which version of the story they have..but I remember the wolf dead...he is a teacher as far as I know...therfor not even considered that much a villain???
This is ACTUALLY smth I have wondered...like there seemingly seems to be a life after there storys??? Are they just keeping the queen in prison even thos she HAD to do it?? (Ok ravens mother seems evil in general too but other generations?) Like we literaly see the ''evil'' big ''bad'' wolf as a Teacher... just living his life after the tale. Can't other storys do the same like ''ok you go to prison for a few days, story end and you are free to go!!!'' would probably help with some of the problems! Except the one sleeping for hundrets of years...yeah how foes that work?? Is there just several generations without a new sleeping beuty? Was it actually super quincidantial that we even have one? Like 1 in SEVERAL school years!
here's my issue. Not only are they aware of what their fate entails, a shocking number of students are completley okay with the prospect of dying within their respective stories (Like Meeshell, who turns into seafoam, keep in mind EAH is based off Grim Fairytails and old fairytails rather then the disney ones we're accustomed too) or killing one of their friends/ family members, within those stories to fufill it, an example is Cerise who has to kill her sister Ramona and Jillian's story, whether she has the story of Jack and the beanstalk or Jack the giant slayer, both entail her killing ,Tiny and or more giants.
Maybe they have but just accept it. Some of them may just follow the rules even there’s issues
I assume they’re all indoctrinated, after all it seems like the cycle has been occurring for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Didn't Meeshell Father became a merman os mother wouldn't became seaform?
At least that's what I read from the Wiki
@@mintychustarclan7381 well in the original she basically becomes an airspirit after becoming seafoam for 300 years and after that she is granted a human body and then her daughter could be sent to life with relatives in the sea so ... 🤔
wait,, so how the hell does meeshell exist if her mother should be seafoam? 😭
My problem ( that not a lot of people know) is that Raven was raised by her dad The Good King, she’s obviously going to be a good person but because she has her mom‘s destiny everybody thinks that she’s a bad person but she was never raised by her mom because her mom was in the mirror prison and Raven barley saw her mom except for visiting day.
We find this out in the book “once upon a time by Shannon Hale”
Oh my
How did the Evil Queen even end up marring a Good King?!
Wait a moment, if in the original story the Evil Queen is Snow White's stepmother, meaning the wife of her father. Does this mean that Raven's father is Snow White's husband, i.e. Snow White's father? In that case, would Raven be Snow White's half-sister and Applewhite's aunt?
@@nataliaszkoda6896 yep
@@sophiadealencar8721 well, maybe the evil queen used to be nice like how Raven was nice before she signed the storybook of legends. Of course, she overcame the evil, but maybe the evil queen couldn’t, and I mean that already assigned princes, so it makes sense that there was already an assigned prince to be the good king
One thing I always wondered was like for sleeping beauty. She literally sleeps for 100 yrs, so does that mean a whole new generation of ever after high students goes through their whole destinies and everything while she's asleep?
Yeah, the implication in the show is that Sleeping Beauty children come around every 100 years and the Sleeping Beauty Prince the opposing 100 years.
@@calicomarker so..briar’s prince isn’t even born yet?
@@sophiathefurbst no he’s not, cause Briar won’t wake up for a hundred years and he has to wake her.
@@calicomarker that would be so weird to know the person you’re supposed to MARRY isn’t ALIVE atm
I always wondered the same I think sleeping beauty might be a generation older than the parents of ever after high students so if sleeping beauty woke up from enchanted sleep she might be same age as them
About the gender swap thing there’s two reasons I thought of. Out of show universe it’s to make more girl characters for the dolls because there be more boys if done the correct way (especially in the case of the Wonderland group). In universe it’s to show that you don’t need to be male or female for your story. You can be either one and it’ll still work. Plus it’s indicated that Kitty Cheshire’s family has had men and women be the Cheshire Cat while Maddie’s family has had female Mad Hatters before her dad got the title.
That is a very interesting point.
Yeah, I know this isn't exactly the most realistic show but I think it would be fair to assume the parents can't decide what gender and hair colour their kid is gonna have. I mean, come on now. Are we gonna end one's story because the parent didn't have a kid that fits the role in appearance? That also makes me wonder what would happen if someone didn't have a kid at all. I can't remember If the show had a royal who was a princess instead of a prince or the other way around but I wonder why we don't really see that. (in the universe's logic)
@@JaneDoe-cz5oewell there’s darling charming, the daughter of prince charming. she’s the only one who can be a knight
@@JaneDoe-cz5oewell beauty and the beast only had one kid, a daughter, so theoretically, who would be taking over as the beast? With this logic it’d be the beast right? Nope, that would make Rosabell siblings with her prince, so instead, Daring Charming is her beast since that family had multiple children anyways, so if a family didn’t have a child,, the story would likely be covered by 2 kids by other families that didn’t have a destiny set
I do loved Ever After High Series but I am disappointed that ever after high series was cancelled because there's so much things that need to be resolved before the series will finally end like revealing Cerise Hood's family secret, Who's Apple's destiny Prince, how Darling became the white knight, the Ever After High graduation day and show what they doing in the future now, but unfortunately this is not going to happen so the writers decided to end with the cliff hanger.
apple's destiny prince was darling charming actually
I mean it’s not their fault after Disney ripped them off from descendants and cause it’s Disney, obviously Mattel couldn’t compete sadly ending ever after high. Plus they couldn’t make enough money
@@akshita4771 didn't they also have a partnership with Disney descendants dolls? so they kind had to stop.
@@arissamazumder Pretty sure it was just someone Apple loved - or vice versa. So if Raven kissed her, I actually think she would've woken up, too. Also, kissing the homies, totally normal (/j).
@@officialmai but the creator who made that episode is known for putting lesbians and other non-straight characters in kids films
Regarding C.A Cupid, I think, and it was also implied since Cupid is identified as a rebel, that cupid rather than a fairy tale destiny, she's obligued to follow the myth of her father, the "family business", obligued to shot her arrows to students that are bounded by their destinies to fall in love, which would explain for example how many princesses in their stories fall in love with a prince they barely meet, as in the canon has been already established that the charmings for example may have a rough idea of in which story they're going to land their destiny, but said idea can be perfectly wrong.
To sum it up: C.A cupid job/destiny is to make characters destined to be together by their stories, to actually fall in the love when their iteration of their stories begin, and since cupid is a rebel (revealed by her bio and dolls) she decides to not interfere with love as she thinks love is a force of nature that shouldn't be imposed to anyone (which also explains why she doesn't use her powers to make Dexter fall in love with her because she said in some instances that love can sort of be created, but not destroyed, which also explains why we never, even in monster high, see her shot her arrows to anyone with the sole intention to make people fall in love, but rather guide students with their already stablished feelings, more so if you keep in mind she keeps her bows and arrows UNDER LOCK in MH, implying that its something she rarely, if not never use unless absolutely needed, since in that unique instance she attempted to actually use said bow and arrows was to counter a love spell inflicted upon Draculaura, a.k.a someone tampering with the natural force of love, which also falls in line with her EAH counterpart mindset)
Ahhh that's smart thinking!
I agree with @kindomorange2
So, a few of these were answered in the books.
Once a student signs the story book of legends, they start acting more like the character, and they live out thwir story immediately after graduation
Sometimes there's an in story explanation for them having kids, but some people do manage to tweak their stories slightly so that they can survive them. For example, Ginger's mom, the witch in Hansle and Gretle's story built an emergency escape into her oven
Minor changed like that seem to be allowed, so long as major plot points stay the same. The stories can change slightly to allow for different names, off screen happenings, dialouge changes, or different hair colors. This deals with Apple's situation too, though many characters do question her on that
Acting out the stories, on the books, is portrayed a lot like putting on a play, and once you are finished you can continue life as usual (though, with consequences from said play carrying over into real life, such as marriages, or death. Kinda. Death within stories is very confusing)
Cupid is part of a story or myth technically. “Eros and Psyche”
There was also a theory that says Astra Nova is the wishing star or something like that
Who is Astra Nova and can you send me her wiki page.
@@fastcheetah2788 she is from monster high booyork movie
@@fastcheetah2788 character from monster high
So, to explain on the Humphrey thing; in the original story of Humpty Dumpty, it was actually never stated that Humpty Dumpty was an egg 😂
And to explain why Apple is blonde; it’s a reference to the Grimm brother’s tale, and in the EAH books, apple is very insecure about being a blonde, because she feels like she doesn’t resemble her mom enough.
Couldn't they have made Snow blonde, so that Apple doesn't feel insecure. And in real life is Apple actually a name?
@@fastcheetah2788 yes apple is a name, there’s barely anyone named that though
@@spidrmorales Oh ok.
@@fastcheetah2788 apparently its a thing in EAH to name your child after something from the respective story. Apple because of her poison apple, Cerise is a shade of red, Ashlyn because of the ashes in the fireplace etc
@@nemashan3701 Oh, ok. I didn't know Ceresise was a type of red. Does Meshell count as one of those people or are their some exceptions.
Apparently all the stories are based off of the original fairytales created by the Brother Grimms - meaning that majority of the stories are pretty gruesome. It explains why Dutches doesn’t want to follow her destiny or how most of the rebels are against this too. (I’m not sure if you already explained it I kinda forget easily so sorry abt this!)
Yes, my mom told me that and I never read the stories by Grimms.
Duchess is from Swan lake which isn't by the Grimm brothers but still, that story has a couple different endings that range from happy to bittersweet to downright depressing. I looked up what ending they choose on the wiki and it turns out they made up the ending of Duchess being stuck as a swan forever. Which is probably worse than the alternative of dying.
that's why apple is blonde because the original tale had a blonde snow white and briar is named briar because the original tale sleeping beauty was called Briar Rose. Disney's is called Aurora
disney has their own adaptation it's why Faybelle isnt called daughter of maleficent
Ah yes Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, my favorite Grimm brother
For the "Why Holly and Poppy aren't blonde" I think it is because unlike Snow White, Rapunzel hair color is not that "important ". In the storytale, Snow White's mother prayed that her daughter to be born with skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood and hair as black as ebony.
As far as I know, Rapunzel's golden hair from the fairytale is not that impactful to the story in anyway. Different from the Disney adaptation, where it does matter. And since the prince's hair are usually depicted as dark brown, I guess it's the writers creative choice to make their hair a combination.
But hey that's just a theory, a game theory.
So does that mean Snow's mother got what she wanted and is this in the Grimm fairy-tale.
@@fastcheetah2788 yeah I think it might've been mentioned that their based on the Grimm fairy tales
Fun fact: In some of the origins for the story of Rapunzel she actually had Red curly hair instead of blonde hair but when the story of petrosenela (a story that’s one of the origins of Rapunzel’s) came out the rest of the Rapunzel origins had Blonde hair. Kinda ironic cause Holly and Poppy have Red curly hair
This has probably already been said but Apple's hair being blonde is also brought up in the novel. I remember everyone in the book kept comparing her and her blonde hair to her mum, saying that she'll never live up to her story because of it. That's also one of the main reasons why Apple wants her destiny and works so hard to get it, she wants to live up to her mum's story.
That would make sense you want to make your family proud even though your hurting them.
I personally think the students from EAH having outfits that were never made into dolls, actually isn't a headscratcher but a sign of how good the show was made and how much thought they put into it. The students from EAH are like real people in the fact they own a wardrobe. This show is made to sell dolls, but unlike other shows or the Barbie movies where this was generally the sole focus, they ended up prioritizing the actual story over selling every doll in every outfit. Which I think, is key to why EAH is so well beloved to this day.
An answer to CA cupids theory, it was officially stated in her diaries that she has no idea where she came from and moved from monster high to ever after because she wanted to find out more about her past, same thing with a bunch of lore in the diaries not being stated in the show
About Humphrey: Humpty Dumpty the nursery rhyme never actually says he’s an egg
OOH, that makes sense!
Maybe the egg was created to replace the image of a human so kids wouldn't be horrified.
@@emiliajones6376 Maybe! Like how modern versions of Little Red Riding Hood leave out the part where Grandma dies
@@thegayghost872 I didn't know she actually died?
@@thegayghost872 oh yea and the wolf dresses up as her grandma before eating her
For the question of Apple’s blonde hair, it was addressed in the books. I am not sure if Apple’s mom is naturally a blonde and dyes her hair to fit the story of Snow White (It has been years since I read the book series.). But it is mentioned of Apple or her mom thinking about dying her hair and how out of place Apple’s natural hair looked.
The other questions I have about the series as a whole is the concept of marriage and children in the fairytale world. How would characters marry and are they in arranged marriages based on their stories? In the episode “Blondie Branches Out”, Daring and Dexter mention how they are many Charming families that they are not related to. So could that explain how many characters marry a prince or king (I remember in the books the Evil Queen married someone who was royalty.) With the children, most of the characters are an only child, except for the O’Hair twins (which could be because Rapunzel had twins in the original fairytale), Cerise Hood and Ramona Wolf (because Red Riding Hood and the Wolf married in secret and each one inherits one parent’s destiny), and the Charmings. Are each character allowed one child/pregnancy in order to have a child continue their story with the exception being the Charmings? Why are the Charmings the only characters to have multiple children?
probably because many stories require a generic ‘prince charming’ to save someone. it’s a pretty widespread story device so i think that a lot of children could be assigned to different stories with the most notable ones going to stories like snow white, cinderella, beauty and the beast, etc etc. as for the charming girls there are again, lots of stories that call for extremely beautiful princesses or specially talented princesses so i think that’s the roles that charming girls fill. for example, justine dancer is the twelfth dancing princess but what about the other eleven? perhaps these rolls could be filled by some mediocre charming princesses while the most important stories go to princesses like darling. something like this was confirmed in the books, that charmings don’t know their destinies until later and just fill in roles that need a generic prince or princess.
I think the charmings are a generic royal family and not based off of an actual Prince from any fairy tales because the only Prince that was named 'Prince charming' was Cinderella's prince but Cinderella already has a daughter that's not related to the charmings
Maybe Dexter and Darling were just born so that they could be in another story or they could be with whoever they wanted? Meanwhile Ashlynn and Daring need to follow their destinies unless Raven made the Headmaster not force them what to do? Where is the villain of Rapunzel in this story.
What are all the EAH books?
@@ilovewomen- How do we know, they may be a family but we don't know?
here's what always made me question the logic in EAH: the school has been around for hundreds of years, and all of the characters have ancestors from generations and generations ago that attended. But I don't get why it's only their parents' generation that "coined" all the fairy tales. It would make more sense for apple's great-great-grandmother to be the original Snow White and the same with the other characters. As well, for the fairy tale parents to have children to take on their place in the next generation means that they would sometimes have to play 2 roles in their life, because mind you, in fairy tales the main character's parents also play a role sometimes. The biggest example I can think of is Cinderella. Ashlynn HAS stepsisters in the cartoon, so wouldn't that mean that her mom is dead and her dad remarried?? Idk... I feel like I'm definitely overthinking it but if you're going to create this whole grand narrative at least have it make sense lmao
Yeah, that is true?
Maybe they simply take on their parent's names after they begin to play their roles in the stories, and when it's over they break free of the story and "retire". Then, their "duplicates" (mentioned in video), and/or somebody from one of the Charming families, because they surely produce both genders of children if there are so many of them, plays the "second role" of the characters before also "retiring".
@@b_w_jmakes sense to me
i always thought after they signed the story book of legends and when their time came to play their role i thought they would lose memory of everyone and their story until they completed their story.
The most probable answer as to why Apple White is blonde, is most likely because Mattel loves making their main, or one of the main characters blonde and blue eyed across all franchises.
Barbie, Kennedy, Lagoona Blue (previously)
@@kingdomorange2 wasn’t Frankie technically the main character, though? although lagoona was still apart of the main protagonists, so if that’s what you were saying that makes sense lol
That probably is true, was Snow described with Blonde hair in the Grimm's books also wouldn't that make Cerise, Romona and Apple cousins if it is based on Grimms. Raven and Apple would be Step-aunt and and step-niece while if this were to happen Dexter step-uncle to Apple and Daring step-nephew to Raven. Little Red (Red Rose) would be her aunt and Big "bad" wolf would be her uncle. Evil queen would be her step-grandma. Also, they are forced to do their destines?!?!? (Sorry, I haven't watched the series in a bit. How come Apple wears Grey eyeshadow and some royals just wear not royal colors?
I read the books and its an insecurity for her I think. Basically she's even more pushy with her destiny because she's worried not fitting the description of snow White means something may go wrong. I've also seen a swapped at birth theory between Apple and Raven (Raven has purple streaks but black seems to be the natural color)
@@byakuyatogami2905waittttt cus the swapped at birth thing would be an amazing plot twist
For poppy and holly, its probably because Rapunzel's hair is naturally brunette, it only turned blonde because of the magical flower. When her hair was cut, it went back to brunette. I think this is the reason, makes sense to me🤷🏾♀️
But isn't that only a thing in the Disney movie or was that actually the case for the brothers Grimm tale of the story?
I remember that rapunzel is somtimes portrayed as having brown or brown orange hair i think the blonde part comes mostly from tangled from disney
Yeah people shouldn’t take Disney’s version as the only version lol ,the main trait for rapunzel is having very long hair and that’s it
@@luis.r9903 I’m pretty sure she was described to have long golden hair though? It does get cut off by the sorceress but there’s no magical hair colour changing like in tangled.
That’s just Disney. In the original tale her haircolor is never described! Only that it’s very long!
I’ve actually tortured my friend with this question recently, but ever since EAH debuted I always wondered why the Charming’s and Apple or Ashlyn weren’t related, because both Cinderella and Snow White got with their respective prince charmings, but I think it was mentioned a few times that Snow White and Prince Charming are married in EAH (in the School Games special), or at least suggested, so why were apple and daring expected to get with each other (the blonde hair doesn’t help) and how are they not related. Or at the very least why aren’t daring darling dexter and ashlyn related, if the 3Ds and apple aren’t, but then that opens up the question why Dexter and ashlyn weren’t made to get with each other (at least, I don’t think they were) seeing as Cinderella got with _her_ prince charming
There's an episode where they talk about their family tree. Daring and Dexter explains there's many Charming families. But they're not related to all of them.
@@uma4158 Yeah I remember that episdoe, it's akin to having the last name smith.
Yeah Dexter could just be with Raven or anyone.
@@uma4158 Are they related to Ashlynn and Darling or are they just other Charming's from a different family?
@@fastcheetah2788 They're related to Darling. But not Ashlynn.
i was just thinking about Snow White's story-- Raven would technically become Apple's stepmother even tho they're the same age! Apple's mom would have to die, and her father would have to remarry Raven, which is a wild age gap 😯
There's definitely a lot of deaths involved with these stories. Ashlynn is also waiting on her mother to die and get a new stepmother, which was addressed in one of the books. Briar's family and friends will also be dead by the time she wakes from her coma.
As for Duchess and Meeshell, they will die at the end of their stories, so I'm also curious about how they were born lol. I find it interesting that Duchess has powers to already turn into a swan on will, and also that it is a black swan. Shouldn't she be a white swan since the daughter of Odile would act as the black swan? it was probably an artistic decision to reflect her attitude and when characters would say Duchess was in her "black swan mode." that would have been quite an interesting dynamic if they had Duchess and a daughter of Odile character interact.
I also wonder if the characters enter a trance-like spell once it's time for them to live out their stories. otherwise, it seems so easy for them to break free and avoid the bad parts they know are coming up! your theory about them entering a solitary and controlled environment inside the larger storybook of legends would explain that, however, characters with powers would definitely have an advantage.
I believe the trance would be the story book of legends. Once they sign theirs no turning back
Actually, I think that they are allowed minor changes (and also because if a story was constantly the same, it would be uninteresting and would be shoved aside, therefore story would go *poof*) Like how gingers mom made an emergency escape in her oven to survive
Snow white's father is the good king (which dies, but raven lives with him, so he doesn't die?) Snow white is also the evil queens step-daughter, making raven the step/half-sister of snow white (which kinda makes the whole raven x apple ship weird if they end up being related by blood)
while the grimm tales are dark (Sleeping beauty gets SA'd by her prince (which is married and a king) and gives birth to two twins that bite her finger and suck the posion out, which makes her awake, which also makes Briars terrible destiny worse, like Hell, so hopefully that changes) I think raven will play the role of evil step-aunt instead of step-mom. Snow white will die and will welcome Raven (the step-aunt) into his home to help eachother grieve their loss and give some comfort to apple instead, then dies (again) and the plot continues as normal?
The evil queen also dies (a very painful death which would be a even more major concern for raven) But shes still alive but trapped into a mirror.
I think meeshells and Duchesses parents have an alternate ending where they don't die, just mabye turn into another form?
And briars 'prince' will just be like the disney's version instead.
and does the evil fairy just wait 100 years to have a child that will take her destiny? or are all these stories timeless and happen in their own seprate world?
Your copycat theory with the storybook of legends makes alooooot of sense because I always wondered how exactly the stories would work especially with the parents still roaming around
"Slaying his mother and marrying his father" I think you got that mixed up lol. But I get your point.
EDIT: I LOVE your copy theory. Also, your theory of the Grimm Brothers being sorcerers makes sense, since they are responsible for creating Whisp so Gigi wouldn't be lonely.
EDIT 2: My headcanon for Duchess is that her swan mother laid an egg and a baby human Duchess hatched from it (like how in Greek mythology Leda's kids were born from eggs after Zeus in swan form laid with her).
No it's gay lol. That's why I said slay!
No ahahaha I hated how I had to say slay because I wanted to say kill but I was worried CZcams was going to get me in trouble for that. Also I really love your idea of the Duchess being hatched in an egg.
@@kingdomorange2 Than you.
@@kingdomorange2 I wondered how could that be gay cause they are related right 😂
@@satishmeeniga8966 Who are you referring to be related to Duchess and what story is her mom from again.
I’ve seen some people say that cerise and Ramona look very similar but it would just be too crazy for her friends to believe but at the same time she growls,her eyes turn golden when someone triggers her,I think the rational answer has to be that it would be too crazy to believe.
I have a small theory that Apple White is so insistent on following her destiny because her mother pressured her into doing it. There was this episode where Snow White called Apple White because her popularity went down. I think because of this peer pressure, she was able to free Raven’s mother in that dragon season.
I read in one of the books that ginger bread houses mother went through a secret hole on the back of her oven, and even if that’s not in her destiny, it was deemed okay because it’s necessary for the next generation of fairytale characters. (So duchesses mother probably turned into a human or something)
There is a theory that Apple is actually the evil queen's daughter and Raven is Snow whites daughter. The evil queen's original hair color is platinum blonde, which was shown in one of the ever-after books. The theory is that their destinies somehow got swapped. Possibly because of the genie in the lamp named djin because monster high was supposed to be part of this universe. Snow white wanted to swap daughters because of the swapped destinies and the evil queen was possibly forced into it. The theory is a youtube video somewhere.
In some cases a gender swap really wouldn’t impact the story (i.e. The Mad Hatter can be a girl and it wouldn’t change Lewis Carroll’s story that much) and since this is a cartoon aimed at girls, we probably ended up getting a lot more daughters of male characters due to that fact. As for Holly and Poppy, I don’t think their hair colour matters *that* much. Some interpretations of the tale do feature a golden-haired Rapunzel, but her being blonde really isn’t super important to the story unless it’s like
Disney’s adaptation.
Yeah, once you start digging in the story and lore of Ever After High you notice that the writers really only thought about the "Royals Vs Rebels" and didn't fleshed out the whole thing, which leads to most of these headscratchers.
My own headcanons about the whole lore:
The "You must follow your destiny is both true and false.
The World of EAH is built on stories, the stories are a fundamental part of the world (if not THE fundamental).
Basically, similar to how the narrativium works in Discworld. The stories are alive, and they want to be told. If no one has told them in a certain amount of time, they will force the people who are the closest to the basics of the stories.
Over time, people noticed this, and started doing the stories in purpose so others wouldn't be forced to do them (Mothers would suddenly die, children would suddenly be mistreated, etc). Eventually, the families in power started doing it to keep their self importance and power, and want their children to keep doing it to keep said power in the family.
So that's why the Evil Queen could "steal" the role of the Dark Fairy on Sleeping Beauty in her generation, and how she could "steal" Raven's role posioning Apple. The pre-destined roles are just assigned roles the Grimms gave, but are not set in stone which is supported by the intro song:
"They told you everything was waiting for you,
They told you everything was set in stone
But now you're feeling like a different ending
Sometimes you gotta find it on your own"
Basically, if Raven refuses to follow her destiny, is not that everyone will go "poof", is that the people in power will not know who the next Snow White is
* Ramona and Cerise looking similar... well, to be fair, if you take the clothes and hair, with very few exceptions, every girl has the same basic design, as does every boy (Like Dexter is described as scrawny and Hunter as muscular, to the point that Dexter loans clothes to Hunter and they don't fit... they have the same build)
*Apple being blonde... my own crazy theory/headcanon is that someone (Most likely the Dark Fairy) switched Apple and Raven when they were born. Apple is extremely self-centered, is the only character that says the famous "mirror mirror on the wall", is very vain, and is obsessed with becoming queen, and when they switched classes, she somehow managed to pass the evil classes without (much) trouble... which are all traits of the evil queen. Raven's colors fit more with the Snow White role, not to mention that for all her supposed evil, she's nicer and more selfless than Apple
Wow that was crazy plot twist but make sense
Wow !! I really love ur theory
Haha, true? Is the Evil fairy the one from Snow White, Gini or someone else.
Ooh I have a video of this theory saved in my watch later list
Really totally agree on last theory. Apple is so self-centered and I also think that Raven is the main protagonist
Ok here is a question: Why doesn't this whole upheaval happen far more often? It is known that at least half the destinies are terrible... So why didn't people rebel against it on a yearly basis? Certainly there should be holdouts... and HECK since you can usurp someone's destiny, why even bother? Get someone who WANTS the role to do it.
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Now to admit there is a lot of pressure involved... but it never seems to extend outside the school. In fact... people seem really chill that there are holdouts and the parents as a majority don't really seem to care about this whole business. Heck, they barely cared even when they thought everything was going fine (which honestly if that was intentional would be interesting... a Tradition that no one likes or really supports but they go through with because it is tradition)
Yah you would think Raven Queen wouldn't be the first person to be like wait a minute...I don't wanna do this.
The Brute sisters chose not to follow their destiny and they're never heard of again.
It's also implied that fairies disappear when their story doesn't happen. More info on the wiki
It's a valid point but people have rebelled before and the fear of stories going poof was a valid reason not to
It’s very briefly mentioned that people have done so, but they tend to disappear hence the idea that everyone will vanish if their destinies aren’t fulfilled
when you stop to think about it nothing about ever after high makes sense lol, but the show was great and the character designs were amazing
I read in the books that Apple got her blonde hair from her dad and people point out that she is almost as perfect as her mother because she doesn't have Snow White's black hair
In regard to Apple being a blonde, I’ve seen a theory where they were speculating that Raven and Apple may be switched. In the theory the purple stripes in Raven’s and the Evil Queens hair are a sign they poses magic, not that they’re related. Snow White sees it as a scandal and forces the Evil Queen (probably with help of the Grimm brothers) to switch the children. They are trying to get Raven to sign it to make it completely official. Things that support this theory are:
The Evil queen has light hair, though since we don’t see her hair a lot I can’t say if it’s blond.
Apple is the one who talks to the mirror throughout the show. She also is very selfish, even when it comes to people she sees as friends.
Raven in contrast goes around helping others. Even people who she isn’t close to.
That one time the Evil Queen plots something evil on Everafter High she doesn’t go to Raven for help. She goes to Apple and promises that she will finally get her happy ending by doing what she asks of her. Sure, Apple is being manipulated but she still does horrible things out of selfishness.
The video on this theory goes more in-depth about the reasoning, but I don’t know what it was called. I thought it was a really good theory!
I will try to search for the link, but I can’t say for sure that I’ll find it
being a character in Ever after sounds terrifying having a somewhat unconscious version of you living a fairy tale over and over not knowing that there's another version of you who has full autonomy of their actions and are self-aware would not be able to go to sleep knowing that there is another me living that somewhat never-ending nightmare
One thing that didn't make sense to me is if Mattel stuck with the original storyline of Snow White it would be weird for Apple and her aunt (Raven) to be best friends. In the original Snow White and the reboots Snow White's father remarries the Evil Queen making her Snow White's step mother. In Ever After High, Snow White is Apple's mom while Raven is the Evil Queen's daughter. I love the show so I have no issue I just remembered how it was the first thing that came to mind when I watched the first episode. Also I wish they would've gone deeper into C.A Cupid and the other characters. I have a theory on Cupid's backstory and this was pointed out to me a week or so ago, but why does Maddie not live with her dad? He owns a tea shop near the school and it's not like the Wonderland students/Ever After High students can travel to Wonderland and just go back and forth so I wondered why she wouldn't just live with her dad unless because Milton was so fixated on them following their destinies they HAD to stay in the dorms.
Another thing if I remember correctly Darling was the White Knight and before the candy witch's daughter (Hansel and Gretel's witch) even got to Wonderland Darling was already there so how did she travel there? Before the main girls discovered Lizzie's portal map Lizzie was the only one who knew and besides the teachers as well so again how did Darling know how to travel to Wonderland and easily access the portal? Sorry for such a long comment I just love making theories for these kinds of shows especially when there's so many unanswered questions! Great video btw
It seems like you put tons of effort in to typing this. Also this is an underrated comment
@@DaisyThePuppyLover thank you! i’ve been in the Monster High/Ever After High fandoms since both shows were released and my family and friends aren’t too big on theorizing shows/characters so I do all the work
Yes! I do remember how Darling got into Wonderland and at the end of the special she said she would tell them how she got there and never brought it up again. I also think that Maddie lived at the dorms is because maybe students are required to live there? I guess what’s also a little confusing to me though is why Crystal Winter didn’t go to Ever After High if she had a pre-determined legacy.
@@kingdomorange2 Ohh ok. I couldn't remember if Darling ever said anything! You're probably right with Maddie and seeing as how the school has dorms I guess that's just cartoon logic? I also wonder why Crystal didn't go to ever After High as well, but maybe it's because her "kingdom" I guess is so far away and isn't as easy to get unlike Wonderland and seeing as how most of the characters' families live in the same world it just made sense for them to go there!
Your Copy Theory could work very well and actually can explain a lot!
In fact, in the "Once Upon A Twist" books series, for mid-term exams, students LITERALLY have to enter into their storybook and live the fairy tale until they reach The End. Into the storybook, they keep remember of Ever After High and who they are and can recognize another EAH student sent into the tale (the concept is that Faybelle mixed all the storybooks and all the students are in the wrong story) but the storybook characters didn't know them as well. For them, they are what they are supposed to be into the fairytale: Cinderella, the prince, the Beast or just a random girl riding in the woods... When the students manage to make a Happily Ever After... poof! they go back to EAH.
And in the same time, we can easily be agree that once a student had live his/her fairytale destiny, he or her gets the name of the role playsed.
“Slaying his mother and marrying his father…” this story just a lot more interesting. 😂
In English, we read the play that follows his daughter, Antigone, and before we started, we talked about the story of Oedipus and what happened. It was really crazy once we heard about it. Also, Antigone is engaged to her cousin in the play.
I also have a few questions, like
1. If Briar was to follow Sleeping Beauty’s destiny, she was supposed to be cursed when she was a baby, so that definitely couldn’t happen anymore.
2. If Holly was to follow Rapunzel’s destiny, she should’ve been kept inside a tower since a young age so she can’t be at high school obviously, so she can’t follow the destiny anymore.
3. For Cerise and Ramona, they are two sisters so they could each choose a destiny from either mother or father, but for that other characters who are the only-child, are they supposed to follow their mother’s or father’s footsteps?
I really like your copycat theory! It makes so much sense and I think it helps with my question on how is it that fairytale characters have kids all around the same age.
I like to add one more thing to the whole "destiny" storyline to this series, if the students follow the same destiny as their parents', then did their parents' destinies also came from their parents' parents as well? Like did Apple White had a grandmother who also had the same destiny which then passed unto Snow White and then to Apple White? Like when, where, and whom did their destinies begin with?
That is a good question. The original Snow White is probably their ancestor and they need to follow their destiny except when Apple comes along, then no one wants to and would that mean that Evil Queen's ancestors are the stepmother or father to Apple's family. This is just so confusing.
@@fastcheetah2788 It really would be confusing, especially when one realizes that Briar would then marry one of the Charmings' kids/grandkids
For the other headaches part:
1. Apple's blonde hair is most likely from her dad and it was most likely based on the original story Snow White where the main girl had blonde hair. It plays a part in her insecurities, feeling like she will never measure up to her mother and her perfectionism. All are huge parts of her story that flesh out her character.
2. Personally, I don't feel like the hair change for Holly and Poppy barely matters. A lot of character designs are changed but kept similar to the original tale. Another reason could be how the hair colours were made to match the original stories. E.g. Apple's blonde hair and the original Snow White and Ashlynn Ella and the auburn hair of the original Cinderella.
3. In the book series, Humphrey Dumpty is designed like an egg. I would like have liked to see this animated because it would have been much funnier (if executed well of course) and that Jillian and Humphrey adventure webisode could have been turned into a date webisode for Raven and Dexter since we BARELY GOT TO SEE THEM HANG OUT AFTER THE FIRST DATE WEBISODE!
4. I too wonder whether the eyesight of Ever After High students are as bad as mine when it comes to Ramona and Cerise but someone else here commented that the students would find the idea of the archenemies of a story to be siblings. They would find the idea of Red and Badwolf getting together preposterous, (unless you're a rebel who thinks outside the box and knows such can be possible so you figure it out before anyone else and keep quiet).
I like Poppy O'Hair's red hair I think the golden hair is an important part of the story to me.
I have an idea of why the genders were swapped of some characters:
1. To avoid copyright..?
2. Because women are pretty + more dresses to make
I adore ever after high! Like it's my comfort show however there are several things you listed that I agree are very confusing.
One thing that confused me are characters ages and when do characters even begin to follow their destinies. Is it graduation days? It's weird because the characters would he 17-18 but many stories have a specific age characters are going to be in their Stories. Will stories set their ages back? What if a character gets held back? I know that ever after high isn't just to teach students to follow their destinies but is also a school in general.
Also if ever after high characters are based off original brothers Grimm stories (as well even Hans Christian anderson and mother goose rhymes) then wouldn't their destinies be way more darker? Meesheal mermaid dies and never gets her prince (as well as other Grimly factors)
Speaking of death, a lot of these characters die at the end of their stories so how can they reproduce? Wow ever after high is darker than we thought.
I think that your copy books theories can really work. I still love ever after high thought and this video is great!
You brought up a lot of good points. I was actually going to talk about how in some characters stories they are different ages like Blondie Lockes, and Cerise Hood are supposed to be little girls in their stories. I just didn't really know where to fit it into my script so I had to scratch it. Another thing about the dark destinies. I think that Ever After High follows the original stories more closely than Disney does but I think they still modified the stories to fit a children's audience. I think that's why the Evil Queen isn't dead at Ever After High even though she dies in the original story.
Regarding characters deaths, in Duchess' story for example, it was said that her mother was turned into a swan forever. However in the original tale Odette died, so maybe that's one of the alternative options for some of the characters? to get curses instead. Of course there's still holes in the idea because I don't recall Meeshell mentioning something similar about her destiny so who knows- •~•
I have a question why is meeshell a mermaid when the little mermaid died god turned her into a wind spirit why is she mermaid and not a wind spirit
Actually, and i couldn’t stop thinking about it when I first watched that scene…if Raven is in Apple’s Story, and SHE is her story’s evil queen…wouldn’t that old hag with the Apple be HERSELF???
My theories to why Apple is blonde instead of brunette:
1) Design choice. She's basically the only character with such a pale blonde hair and ivory skin. Just by looking at the core characters group illustrations, you can see it helps her stand out against Raven (black and purple), Briar/Rosabella (brown), Holly/Poppy (ginger), Ashlynn (golden brown), Blondie (canary yellow), the list goes on. Her overall gold and red color scheme already interlocks her with her mother in a creative way.
Also, her father might be blonde. Even if they look more like one than the other, no child is a carbon copy of one parent.
2) Story ramification. In the Grimm fairytale collectanea, there's *two* Snow Whites: the one from the seven dwarfs, obviously, but also from the tale of Snow White and Rose Red. Fun fact, while Rose Red is usually portrayed with auburn hair, this second Snow White is commonly portrayed as *blonde.* So all of this could be simply a blink-youll-miss-it call back. Maybe she would have a sister or a daughter with the same name (Rose Red), has her story had a different ending from her mother's?
Well, who knows?
What's the Snow White and Rose Red story about?
I feel like the Destiny, thing the Fate thing and The Storybook of Legends thing wasn't suppose to make since from the start wicth was the biggest reason of why the Reble students don't wanna follow thier story/destiny. I also like your'e thorey about the Storybook of Legends and the whole "copy thing" it makes since with the Grimm Brothers
Okay but like the introduction of Astro nova as the bridge to ever after high and monster high was cool as was Cupid but I wish it was explored more maybe a vid idea? Talk about boo york boo york
I'd say Monster High was the better toy line, but Ever After High was the better story.
For me it’s the opposite, even though I love them both
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I love your theory about the storybook and the destinies of the students !
Thank you!!! It took me forever to think of it
I studied Classical Athens this year, and for our literature paper (an essay on Fate VS Free will) we studied Oedipus (the play) and he didn’t escape fate, he ended up killing his father and marrying his mother and having her children in the end. The whole idea was that even though he tried to avoid it, he still ended up fulfilling his prewritten destiny.
and how his name foreshadows it Oedipus means "swollen foot" and when he was a baby he had his feet tied together when he was left to die
Someone had a theory about Apple having blonde hair as a hint to her and raven being switched at birth since when she was in HS the evil queen was blonde while Raven has black hair like Snow White (there are many flaws, biggest one being raven's powers) and also mentioning how raven got placed into apple's story while in the large story book of legends
Rebels don’t have to be characters that want to create their own destiny. Rebels are also non royalty and Royals mostly keep to traditions so if your a Royal it doesn’t mean you will want to follow your destiny.
An example is the episode with Blondie where she thinks she might be a rebel because she isn’t really royalty yet she wants to follow her destiny.
Also Briar is considered a Royal and so is ashlyn but neither of them really want to follow their
destiny.
A thing I don't understand is that all rebels don't want to sign their destinies by showing their support to raven but why are they showing their support? Some rebels have good fairytale endings even though they're not royals, some are happy with their destinies but weren't scared or afraid that raven might ruin their stories or end up in unknown future if they don't sign.
I know this is late, but not all the rebels don't wanna sign the book. I honestly think they don't really care whether the book is signed or not because their lives wouldn't change as they are rebels and either the die/banished or they do whatever. Unlike the royals who mostly have happily ever afters. So they want to keep their destinies
I didn’t know that Darling TRULY was a Apple’s princesse i thought it was pcr 😭
CPR but same 💀 like “charming” is supposed to marry apple white at the end of the story. Soooo 💅?
Red Riding Hood: A story that is a metaphor for stranger danger and having some FBI shit in some versions
EAH: How about we let this child have a baby with an aged down wolf? PERFECT!
💀💀💀
But yeah, Red riding Hood x Big Bad Wolf is like so popular.
Always wander who got such idea in the first place.
@@alilishaa8824 I would be fine if someone just made them father and daughter but NOPE, they always have to have babies
In the books in particular it’s a bit of backstory that Apple is so focused on her destiny after being constantly judged as a child simply because she ended up with blonde hair instead of the black for her fairytale which I think was potentially planned to be brought up later in the show
I heard from someone that Cupid was transferred to ever after because there was some “darkness” there which was the evil queen
That’s just what I was told
I loved EAH in general, along with MH. But I was upset when they ended it ever since Disney came out with Descendants and other reason they ended it. EAH was something to watch when MH didn't have anything new yet. But now it's gone :,)
The Storybook of Legends theory ACTUALLY makes a LOT of sense to me
Thank you!
8:38 oh my Farrah... THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT! The only important thing is that she (or he) is described as kind, selfless and beautiful! or simply sign the book of legends
Oedious Rex Way is also called a self fulfilling prophecy, in the case of Oedious Rex the king and queen abandoned their child, but was found and raised by foster parents, believing them to be his own parents.
One thing i never really understand was the royals and rebels, like u said royals want to follow their destiny and rebels don't. But there are rebels who want to follow their destiny and are consider rebels.
Someone pointed out that Maddie is a rebel despite wanting to be the next Mad Hatter because she supports Raven and other rebels in making their own destinies
@@ShinoriDelfrimjust saw this now , yeah that makes sence for maddie thx ,still there are a lot of rebels that want to follow their destiny. But maybe that thought could be rebels just support ravens idea …
@@ariart23 Yeah I kinda wish they expanded on that concetpt way more.
My personal theory is that both mh an eah are worlds of stories. Eah is fairy tales and mh are ghost stories and horror novels. there are monsters in fairy tales so the rumor of a school for those monsters wouldn’t be that impossible. I’ve always though of eah as a preppy version of mh like “youre the daughter of THE snow white as opposed to the general concept or species of a werewolf” cyclops’ are thought of more as a species and a monster while king midas was a figure of more of a warning tale so they’re in different schools. I think cupid never really fit into mh (maybe bc she’s adopted and the monster is more her biological family??) but her transfer to eah was greek mythology turning more into a tale than a religion people actually believed and were afraid of even the god of love and cupid as a lovely little naked baby becoming the iconic (slightly made less scary and more family friendly) figure like snow white. As for astra... idk
But thats just a theory A GAME THEORY
something thats always confused me is how could Raven exist when the evil queen got trapped in the mirror world?
Raven was already 6 or 7 before the queen got imprisoned.
@@teeboygamer1743 wasnt the queen imprisoned while in high school? or did she break back into that school after her destiny?
@@dioncii8902 The queen was imprisoned while trying to conquer Wonderland.Raven was entering her teen years at this point
@@teeboygamer1743 oh alright!
Now that monster high is back, i hope EAH comes back because I miss it so much
It was so unfair for cancelling this show cause it's all time my favourite I started watching this show from 2020 and developed interest on it I love to talk about shows like this I love your theories and the copy theory is legit!! OMG I never heard of this it is nearly connected to this show if Ever after high would have continued there would have so many things explained and how do they graduate and who's gonna end up with whom
And also I love the fact that how Brooke helps in the movie where Maddie and her friends were in detention like um she is not supposed to involve in the story but although she helps them and everything goes well also she could help the characters rewrite their destinies and that would be so cool !! And I love how the plot is so confusing and there are so many twists cause there arise many questions like why is Apple Blonde? Isn't Raven supposed to be Apple's step aunt? And aren't Daring, Darling, Dexter and Ashylyn related? OMG I do love how they made Apple's story pretty confusing I like how Darling is being Apple's prince(ss) charming they are my headcanon
I also do love Briar's story it kinda makes me crazy she is supposed to sleep for 100 years OMG and I haven't decided who to ship Briar with
There are so many plot twists in the show that I love
And I would like to talk about how this show might be cancelled it's because of descendants you might know they ripped EAH and took away the whip from it mattel got the Disney princess license but Mattel thought of making something different so they started making Ever after high and Disney hated it they made stupid Descendants that's how Ever after high ended up
And these are my thoughts about this show and it might be lengthy for you to read btw your theories are awesome and pls make an another part
It’s not just Daring, Dexter or Darling’s future children (or grandchildren) that could be Briar’s Prince Charming. In a mini-episode (where the characters have to present their family history), Daring & Dexter explain that there are many Charmings who aren’t related to them. So there’s really no telling who Briar’s Prince is, & (fandom is gonna hate this but) Apple’s Prince Charming might not be Darling.
I always thought about apple and raven, the evil queen is snow whites mother, so snow and raven are technically siblings and raven is apples aunt
there are a lot of versions of rapunzel where she isn't blonde or her hair color isn't specified, but the most popular adaptations of the story tend to portray her as blonde.
Ok your copy theory makes so much sense and actually solved a bit gap in a theory I was trying to formulate for years so thank you! And great vid!
If I am remembering correctly never did it say Kitty's mom was the Cheshire Cat(as in she may just be his wife) however since Kitty would be the next one it is possible to be the case
REgarding Poppy and Holly; the original story of Rapunzel never specified her hair colour, so their hair colour doesn't matter either. The whole blonde thing got popularised for Rapunzel through the Disney film, but Disney adaptations aren't a final authority.
So the hair color thing for Apple, Holly, and Poppy is because they are based off of the old versions of fairytales aka The Grimms Brother's fairytales. Holly and Poppy's mom originally had red hair before it was changed for Tangled. Apple has blonde hair because its based of the old (German?) fairy tale that had a blonde Snow White. As for why her mom still has it, people know the raven hair version much better but they still wanted to reference the old story.
Actually Rapunzel hair is described as golden as the sun in the original fairy tale and snow white hair isn't blonde it's ebony black your confusing her with a different snow white who has blonde hair
She blonde because she's based on "Snow White and Rose Red" instead of "Snow White and the 7 Dwarves". Despite the similar names the tales have nothing to do with each other, and are even spelt differently in German (but translate to the same thing). But in that story Snow White has blonde hair and her sister Rose Red has dark hair. Many modern adaptions mix the two stories tho, and also often mix Rose Red with Little Red Riding Hood. So I would imagine her destine story would be mostly the well know Snow White with elements of "Snow White and Rose Red".
The best way to describe "Snow White and Rose Red" is more like "Beauty and the Beast" but also not really. It's about the sisters encountering a bear who is actually a cursed prince, and they also meet a dwarf who cursed the prince and stole his treasure. So it ends with the bear prince killing the dwarf, transforming back into a prince and marrying Snow White cause why not. Rose Red also marries the princes brother for some reason too.
But I still don't understand why did they made apple blonde
I mean I am not over the fact that Apple expects Raven to follow the story despite that meaning that Raven (her half aunt) has to marry Apples dad and Snow has to die and Hunter has to be her henchman who almost kills her….also she’s related ti the charmings given how all the princes would he prince charming
8:54 Rapunzel's haircolor was NEVER brought up in the original german tale! Only that it was very long! (Wich is why it's bothering me that her hair is always depicted as blond in movies & why I'm actually glad that Holly & Poppy aren't blond!)
But what's absolutly bothering me, is that Apple's hair ISN'T ebony black! The only fairytale characters that were described in the original tales where Goldilocks (Goldlöckchen), who obviously had golden-blond locks, the little mermaid, who also had blond hair and Snow White (Schneewittchen) who had skin as white as snow, lipps as red as blood and hair as black as ebony.
I remember years ago when I first saw a picture that was a commercial for EAH: The picture showed Raven, Maddie, Apple and Briar. I read the title and immediatly figured out that this new show is like Monster High. So I tried to figgure out who their parents are. Briar and Maddie where very easy to figure out, I understood who their parents were immediatly. I took me a few minutes to understand who Raven's mother was (wich looking back may sounds silly), but I just could not figgure out who Apple was supposed to be. (The poster didn't have their names on it.)
And when I watched the first episode for the first time & realized that Apple is the daughter of Snow White, I was actually pissed. Snow White is one of the very few fairytale-characters who's apperence we know! The fact that Apple's hair isn't black bothered me so much!
The only way I can accept that is, if the "Apple & Raven were swapped at birth"-theory is true. But unfortunatly this great show had to be canceled for the garbage that is "Decendants" so we will never find out if the theory is true. :(
EDIT: Sorry for my bad english!
Apple has a father, you know. And we never see him, so there's a huge chance he could be blonde
@@grace5033 I know. But for some reason it still bothers me. 🤷🏻♀️
Apparently in the og story, her hair was blonde but modern retellings changed that. Moreover, Apple is deeply insecure about her hair and the fact that she secretly has poor eyesight. She's supposed to be the next Snow White but she doesn't even look the part. And her mom is a perfectionist. So that didn't help.
@@lenastorm6280 uh sorry but I think you got something wrong in the fairy tale Rapunzel hair was described to be as golden as the sun
@@AhmedBalahim Realy? In the version I read as a kid the hair was just described as really long, color was never mentioned. 🤷🏻♀️ (Btw that’s the version where the witch cuts Rapunzels hair of & pushes the prince from the tower & his eyes got pierced out by the thornbushes he fell into.)
I love how this is sort of an “EAH theory” video. I love these ideas and they are being added to my headcanons
3:31 you mean slaying his father and marrying his mother.
apple’s hair,like so many of them, is different from the snow white we are used to because they wanted to make them different from disney versions imo
I’m pretty sure that some of your questions actually get answered in the books. It’s been a couple years since I’ve read them, but I’m pretty sure that early on in the first book: they bring up the issue of Apple having blonde hair instead of raven black. Which causes Apple to feel self-conscious about her hair and how it’s inaccurate to the fairytale. Like, everyone in her kingdom would mention how she embodies what Snow White is supposed to be, BUT her hair is BLONDE so yikes. And if I remember correctly, I think she told herself that she’d prove to everyone that she CAN be the next Snow White, even if her look isn’t COMPLETELY accurate to the fairytale character’s description. So while they never bring up the issue of Apple’s hair colour in the show, they definitely at least MENTION it in more detail in the books.
My biggest questions seem to have more to do with the genealogy and family dynamics of it all. Like:
1. What if a character followed their destiny, lived happily ever after, got married, then turned out to be infertile? What would happen then? And not only that, but what if the person meant to be the nonexistent heir's love interest was already born, leaving that baby without a happily ever after?
2. In the original Sleeping Beauty, the princess is r@ped by a married king in her sleep and gives birth to his twins while still unconscious (not the happily ever after and true love's kiss we all know). So if EAH took note from the original Rapunzel story by making Holly and Poppy twins, why isn't Briar a twin herself?
3. Briar and Rosabella are cousins. Briar's mom is Sleeping Beauty, and Rosabella's mom is Beauty, as in, "and the beast". So we know SB and Beauty are sisters, and they most likely came from the same mom. So in that case, which story was THEIR mom from? Were Briar and Rosabella's grandparents Sleeping Beauty and her prince or Beauty and the Beast? And whichever one they were, how did the other story come to be?
4. This one has nothing to do with family but here goes. It's within the lore that, each time a fairytale is told in our world, it's relived in real time in the EAH universe. But what happens when the same story is being told by different people in different parts of the world, and both of them are on different parts of the story at that moment?
5. Also not family related. But how is Meeshell already a human while at school? Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of what her destiny is? WANTING to be human when we already see her as one?
Her cousin are sweet
Briar beauty story is based on the french version of sleeping beauty in that version she wasn't raped in her sleep
Think of it this way story boards are rough drafts and most of them get thrown away anyways.
Thank you!
Evil Queen: mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of them all?
Then there is this.
Apple White: Mirror-mirror, so smart and cool, who's the fairest at this school?
Mirror: You are, Apple White!
If raven is the next evil queen she should be the one doing this in front of the mirror. Snow white dosen't do that.
So that's why Apple white is really Apple Queen, daughter of the Evil Queen and Raven is Raven White, daughter of Snow white.
I am pretty sure the story book of legends itself is the one assigning destinies, and those like the charmings just find out on legacy day what their destiny is. Like its in one of the books where its stated that the Charming family is more or less guessing who becomes who, and its the book itself that sorts them into their tales.
Also, wouldn’t the storybook of legends have every students actual fairytale inside of it? They wouldn’t have access to it now, but for cases like Rosabella and Daring, the book would have Daring’s true destiny as the Beast on his Destiny page where he was supposed to sign, so if Daring signed the book he would’ve seen it early. Obviously, this didn’t happen. Which leads us to believe other students didn’t get the chance to sign the book either, so could there be more false storylines roaming around?
the story book of legends theory makes so much sense! so do you think its possible that there Is stories that did disappear / cease to exit?
I think the reason why no one noticed the similarities between the big bad wolf and little red riding hood has to do with a sort off expection problem (I think) . It's something you wouldn't imagine. Imagine if you saw a guy that goes to your average normal school and he looks weirdly like an actor? You wouldn't really believe it anyways and won't go up to them. This is also why the disguise of superman works, you wouldn't expect a random worker at an average journalist job being the one and only superman. In ever after high stories were very important (atleast untill we realised it doesn't destroy your destiny). This is why no one would expect the big bad wolf's daughter and Little Red Riding Hood's daughter to be siblings since it's something that they know (well think) is something they would never do!
Personally I like the theory that Raven and Apple were switched at birth to explain the hair color discrepancy
I'm actually starting to like this this is very intriguing. I want to see more :)
Love your videos!
Thank you!
The one thing I will say is that I think in her diary and in a few books Apple expresses her Insecurity about her blonde hair. I think Apple was made blonde not only to go better with her color scheme and character design (and also cause she’s the popular girl and most traditional movie/tv popular girls have blonde hair) I also think the writers further developed this physical trait by making it a part of Apple’s mental struggles. Apple is a character riddled with insecurity. Insecurity about her hair, her glasses, and I believe her sexuality because Apple is strongly implied to be a lesbian and in love with Raven. I honestly want to do a whole analysis video for her I love diving into her complex character.
I'm just curious: What implies at Apple being a lesbian (and Raven being the object of affection)😅?
Her attitude towards Raven can be seen as passive-aggressive and condescending, telling her things like: "It's obvious that *we* get happily ever afters - you don't." or: "Be a good evil roommate." / "How can you be so selfish?" /"I don't want anything bad to happen to the people I love - including you." (This last one is clearly gaslighting, as "loving" someone means you wouldn't want them to be hated, homeless, and in prison, like what Raven saw her future to be.)
Apple has assumed her whole life that she's going to get what she wants - being poisoned, saved by a prince, and then becoming a fair and loved queen.
Her true nature rears its ugly head as soon as she doesn't get what she wants. Her unhealthy way of coping with her insecurities and selfishness is putting down people who just wish to be happy (Ashlynn and Raven).
If you think about it it actually makes a lot of sense why most people wouldn't rebel against their destiny.
1. Most of the characters were raised from birth to take on a specific fairy tale obviously they wouldn't think otherwise.
2. People have rebelled both in the present and in the past and you know they kind of disappeared.
3. Societal pressure and tradition
"I get way too distracted to spend time reading a novel" [shows a pic of a comic] xD
The thing of apple and raven's hair is brought up in the theory that they were switched btw
There's a lot of evidence to that one but when it comes to hair color just know that the evil queen had platinum blonde hair in the written stories and in this flashback 6:32
Its more white than blonde and it has purple stripes sure, but its way closer to blonde than black ¯\_(ツ)_/¯