I know many of you have been waiting for this for years, based on the many requests I've received for this piece...thank you for your patience! I hope you enjoy it! Also, please ignore the pink tabs on the keys. They are part of an Early Beginner Course that I'm filming concurrently with these other tutorials. Have a great week of practice!
Thanks for a lot of very helpful tips and observations. For me, loosening up the fingers and wrist enough to do as much crawling along on the fourth and fifth fingers as possible together with half peddling and tapered pedaling, just enough to sustain the half notes but not too much to smear all the octaves, is the key to this étude.And I try to bring out how the middle section is essentially the same succession of notes but with more 3/4 feeling, i.e. really simultaneous 3/4 and 6/8 feeling. It’s really tough, but I think a lot of Chopin benefits from using two kinds of accidents, they agogic (lengthening) and the dynamic ones together, to bring out the constant multi-metric treatment of themes which is going on. Got to remember that French (and maybe Polish) are languages with dramatically different kinds of accentuation than English. Less hammering away on particular syllables and more flexibility and use of lengthening as an accent.
To tell everyone never to use the 4th finger in octaves? There couldn't be any piece where the Taubman dogma on having to only use 5 for octaves would be less helpful.
@@cziffra1980 the reason they say dont use 4s on octaves is because the average person (especially female) will have to stretch to reach it. that stretch will cause tension, especially in pieces like this. That said People with larger hands are free to do this, as long as it's not much of a stretch and it doesnt cause tension. For example Josh uses 4s, but not 3s. That's because 3s are a stretch that cause tension for him. For me on the other hand, the 3s feel natural. The taubman approach has never invented anything, it has only observed piano masters (e.g. horowitz) on how they moved and teaches accordingly.
@@pantoleonantonio9653 there may be some people who can't do 4 comfortably, but I'd advise them not to play this piece at all, if so. It's not safe with all 5s and won't sound fluid. The taubman method is far too strict about avoiding 4s in the things I've seen. This is a piece where it's vital.
Hi Josh, I’m a bit lost in my piano practise. I play a lot, but I’m not sure how to maximize my progression. I do have a teacher, and right now I’m studying Chopin Nocturne no. 19, and Etude 25 no 12. Any idea how I can improve my skill and technique in a more efficient way? There are so many pieces I want to master and life is so short. Should I just keep playing a lot and with time my overall skill will improve? Perphaps you have some tips that can help me to speed up my progression. And thank you for the video btw, very helpful as always. 👍🏻
ploppolp I looked it up. Very interesting, I had never heard of it. You think training my hearing is essential for improving on the piano? I will start with it today
Lkkr Nootje I had stagnated completely because I had no theoretical understanding... solfege or solmization is a fundamental building block to understand what the hell is going on! Pick up "Barron's ap music theory" and learn all that goodness.. once you can organize music better in your head your fingers flow much easier on the keyboard
I am totally puzzled but what's happening to me with this study. My left hand can play through it like it's not hard, even with ease, and i am not making this up, it does not get tired but my right hand is the total opposite, it struggles and can't seem to grab those octaves but at a cost of getting tired. So that i have to focus 95% on my right hand. I am left handed but never notice it in any pieces (and i learned 21 other etudes). My left and right hand are the same size (obviously but just saying). So i don't understand what's happening. I studied what my left hand is doing to try to teach the right sofar it made no difference. It's crazy.
Is it normal that I my wrist hurts a while practicing octaves? I don’t know why. Does it disappear while studying the etude longer, do liek muscles build up?
If you can reach octaves with pinkies, you can reach 'em with 4th finger as well, just stratch your hand around and you'll see after a feew weeks 😌. When I started playing, I could barely reach a tenth, and now I can reach an eleventh quite comfortably
Honestly I find 1-4 octaves much more comfortable to play when I have to jump up or down the keyboard, expressely because of my small hands. Can't always rely on my little chicken pinky to snag the octave
I know many of you have been waiting for this for years, based on the many requests I've received for this piece...thank you for your patience! I hope you enjoy it! Also, please ignore the pink tabs on the keys. They are part of an Early Beginner Course that I'm filming concurrently with these other tutorials. Have a great week of practice!
God your videos are seriously the best. Your dedication to teaching is awesome. Amazing content as always
I recently started to use forearm rotation to play octaves, with good results.
Playing this etude two times a day is guaranteed to keep you in a great shape.
ur gonna get so ripped lmaooo
@@ryantristan9264 💀💀
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It's also going to prevent you from playing more piano for other pieces.
Thanks for a lot of very helpful tips and observations. For me, loosening up the fingers and wrist enough to do as much crawling along on the fourth and fifth fingers as possible together with half peddling and tapered pedaling, just enough to sustain the half notes but not too much to smear all the octaves, is the key to this étude.And I try to bring out how the middle section is essentially the same succession of notes but with more 3/4 feeling, i.e. really simultaneous 3/4 and 6/8 feeling. It’s really tough, but I think a lot of Chopin benefits from using two kinds of accidents, they agogic (lengthening) and the dynamic ones together, to bring out the constant multi-metric treatment of themes which is going on. Got to remember that French (and maybe Polish) are languages with dramatically different kinds of accentuation than English. Less hammering away on particular syllables and more flexibility and use of lengthening as an accent.
Please get Bob Durso back for a discussion of Taubman octaves. Very helpful!
To tell everyone never to use the 4th finger in octaves? There couldn't be any piece where the Taubman dogma on having to only use 5 for octaves would be less helpful.
@@cziffra1980 the reason they say dont use 4s on octaves is because the average person (especially female) will have to stretch to reach it. that stretch will cause tension, especially in pieces like this. That said People with larger hands are free to do this, as long as it's not much of a stretch and it doesnt cause tension. For example Josh uses 4s, but not 3s. That's because 3s are a stretch that cause tension for him. For me on the other hand, the 3s feel natural.
The taubman approach has never invented anything, it has only observed piano masters (e.g. horowitz) on how they moved and teaches accordingly.
@@pantoleonantonio9653 there may be some people who can't do 4 comfortably, but I'd advise them not to play this piece at all, if so. It's not safe with all 5s and won't sound fluid. The taubman method is far too strict about avoiding 4s in the things I've seen. This is a piece where it's vital.
Thank you Josh for your good work! You give me courage to get a head start on this piece!
oh gosh this crazy etude, have u heard Pollini's recording on Deutsche Gramophone? Insanity
Every Pollini recording of a Chopin etude is brilliant in my opinion
You should do more Beethoven sonatas or Bach preludes and fugues
I've never closed Paul Barton so fast
Excuse me?
Excuse me?!
Lmaoo 😂
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For which reason do you have that red markings on your Piano
I believe it’s to show the size of a small keyboard that doesn’t have the full amount of keys.
Hi Josh, I’m a bit lost in my piano practise. I play a lot, but I’m not sure how to maximize my progression. I do have a teacher, and right now I’m studying Chopin Nocturne no. 19, and Etude 25 no 12. Any idea how I can improve my skill and technique in a more efficient way? There are so many pieces I want to master and life is so short. Should I just keep playing a lot and with time my overall skill will improve? Perphaps you have some tips that can help me to speed up my progression. And thank you for the video btw, very helpful as always. 👍🏻
Lkkr Nootje do you know what solfege is?
ploppolp I looked it up. Very interesting, I had never heard of it. You think training my hearing is essential for improving on the piano? I will start with it today
Lkkr Nootje I had stagnated completely because I had no theoretical understanding... solfege or solmization is a fundamental building block to understand what the hell is going on! Pick up "Barron's ap music theory" and learn all that goodness.. once you can organize music better in your head your fingers flow much easier on the keyboard
ploppolp Alright, thanks for the tip!
This book might be helpful: Ruth Slenczynska《Music At Your Fingertips: Advice For The Artist And Amateur On Playing The Piano》
É um estudo muito complexo. Difícil relaxar o punho.
I am totally puzzled but what's happening to me with this study. My left hand can play through it like it's not hard, even with ease, and i am not making this up, it does not get tired but my right hand is the total opposite, it struggles and can't seem to grab those octaves but at a cost of getting tired. So that i have to focus 95% on my right hand. I am left handed but never notice it in any pieces (and i learned 21 other etudes). My left and right hand are the same size (obviously but just saying). So i don't understand what's happening. I studied what my left hand is doing to try to teach the right sofar it made no difference. It's crazy.
Is it normal that I my wrist hurts a while practicing octaves? I don’t know why. Does it disappear while studying the etude longer, do liek muscles build up?
Hi josh ! Very good episode. Do you think that you could do a propractice on scriabins etude op 8 no12 in d# minor ? Good day
Émile Rose or maybe op 8 no5- it have some octaves and jumps
So basically you play accelerando and crescendo at the beginning as well as humming to save energy? Am I getting this right?
1:48 Vadim Chaimovich ( ;;;;;
he's playing octaves with 1 and 4. Too bad he doesn't have an oversized piano to help people with small hands lol
If you can reach octaves with pinkies, you can reach 'em with 4th finger as well, just stratch your hand around and you'll see after a feew weeks 😌. When I started playing, I could barely reach a tenth, and now I can reach an eleventh quite comfortably
Honestly I find 1-4 octaves much more comfortable to play when I have to jump up or down the keyboard, expressely because of my small hands. Can't always rely on my little chicken pinky to snag the octave
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