Francis Chan: His Journey Into The Supernatural
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- Francis Chan was educated at the Calvinist John MacArthur's Masters Seminary, but these days he's emerging from his cessationist cocoon and spreading his wings to fly in the realm of the Spirit. This video is about his journey over the past few years which has taken him into the Charismatic world where he has witnesses supernatural signs and wonders.
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"He couldn't care less what the folks in the reformed camp think of him. He's out to please God and serve Him."
I pray in my heart that will be true of all of us. Serve God and seek His kingdom first.
Believing the Bible, not just from a theological standpoint , but from an application standpoint! Well, said, brother, well said. I have discovered that in my years of theological training the application standpoint of my walk has weakened somewhat. I'm not saying it's because of the training, just that when I become more skilled in the brain and delivery, I rely on that too much, and tend to let the priority of application slip; and application is really the mark of a disciple. Thanks for the reminder, Rod. Also, I have watched several of Chan's videos and testimony - wow, God is doing amazing things in and through him. And yes indeed, let us pray that he will be protected and guided by the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Being that I, not long ago, was THISCLOSE to calling myself a Ceasationist, this video was personally very touching to me. That’s right Mr. Chan. There are people in the Charismatic Camp that really really Love, Praise and Worship GOD Almighty. Thanks Jew and Greek/Rod Saunders. I can see this really touched you also. GOD Bless!
It's always amazing to me how much time and effort is spent from the 'reformed' camp to explain why the Bible doesn't mean what is simply says as written and inspired. But rather they want so desperately to convince people God needed a Calvinist to come along hundreds of years later to tell everybody what he "meant" to say. 5yrs ago I had a brother in Christ who has become a Calvinist and a cessationist after being saved over 40yrs ago in an substantial Assembly of God church. He sent me one of Francis Chan's videos to support his arguments... I wonder what he's thinking today🤔... It's also true that popular Church of Christ pastor/author Max Lucado now prays in tongues, as does Francis Chan.
Yes, Amen, let’s pray for Francis Chan his family and the glorious, love filled path that the Lord is leading him on.
I pray that Francis openness about his journey will lead many others into the fullness of the Word of God, the church of Acts, and obedience to Jesus Christ, and not man’s watered down ideas.
God help us.
The Pharisees are coming!!!
Love you Francis...you go in God's great grace :)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a Calvinist cessationist turned Word of Faith charismatic, Francis Chan will find out, as I did, that this is the road worth travelling.
I always like to ask former Calvinists how they broke free from the delusion. May I ask how you came out of the brainwashing?
@@IndianaJoe0321 The baptism of the Holy Spirit.
What was that journey like so far?
@@20kevron It's been an amazing journey! There is a lot of clarity that I have now that I did not have as a Calvinistic cessationist. At one time, I felt like it was up to me to figure everything out, but now I trust the Holy Spirit to guide me in all truth. He has blessed me in many ways since I have been walking this way, and while the intellect does have value, it is now subservient to the Holy Spirit.
@@INFJPhilosopher that is great news. Not many move from Calvinism to WOF Charismatic.
I’m praying for Francis and his family! ❤️
Love Francis Chan....he has changed my life
Weirdly I started following him without knowing he was a cessationist...then soon after all this crazy stuff was happening with to him
God bless this man of God
He is only for the glory of himself !!! Sad !!!
@@teriswift9401 how do you come to that judgment?
fantastic testimony, it doesn't get any better.
He went from beliving to knowing.
Father in the name of Our Might Lord Jesus please protect Francis Chan and his family and everyone associated with him in his travels in preaching the gospel safe may not even a hair on their heads be touched by the enemy. AMEN
Anyone else cry when they heard that God still hears? Thank the Lord for healing that brother and sister. ❤️
Great video, Francis can count on my prayer for the Holy Spirit's leadership. God Bless you Mr. Saunders.
I didn’t know this is what all the hubbub was about. Praise The Lord!!! Without Faith it’s impossible to please God and these signs shall follow us!!!!
You see Francis Chan proves no one picks up a Bible and believe in Cessationism. It has to be taught to you.
that's a very good point
Man you said a mouth full!
Cessationists believe in miracles, healings, words of knowledge and casting out demons.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
[ Inigo Montoya ]
@@pateunuchity884 they do not as John Macarthur said it does not happen today and what we see in Acts in not for today. It is a sleight of hand to say God can work a miracle but not through a Stephen which was a miracle healer. That is unbelief and Cessationism
@20kevron
Yeah, John MacArthur does cast out demons. Even a panel of Calvinists are ok with speaking in tongues. Just trying to keep you informed.
I want to two thumbs up on this. I love Francis. I’ve listened to him for years not knowing his theological background. Didn’t matter because his passion for truth is so obvious.
Let us pray for Francis for surely He will be eagle eyed by the cessationist revival killers.
Thank you for that. I thought it was going be about pulling the man down as so much of media is now days. Francis's words have moved me deeply stirring the quest of the truth for me.
I love Francis's sinceyand passion for the Lord and for the word of God and the church. It's a blessing seeing him encouraged in the Lord's unchanging ways.
Very refreshingly put. Greetings from the U.K. God bless you brother.
Amen!! Many people spend time bashing christians who truly love the Lord--- we should concentrate on better things 🕊🕊
"we should concentrate on better things 🕊🕊"
Sadly it seems that some people don't have any better things in their life to concentrate on.
We see the same in scripture were the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees had nothing better to do than try to find fault with Jesus. They failed, so resorted to lies so they could get HIM crucified.
The people who make heresy hunting videos spend far too much time trawling through the words and actions of others, with the specific intention of finding a perceived error to exploit so they can "expose" people who don't believe the same way they do.
Does that seem similar to something you may have read?
"... the scribes and the Pharisees began to assail Him vehemently, and to cross-examine Him about many things, lying in wait for Him, and seeking to catch Him in something He might say, that they might accuse Him ..."
Some people might point to Jesus' harsh rebuke of the Pharisees and Sadducees as justification of their own harsh judgments upon ministries they are determined to expose as false.
However Jesus did not go looking for false teachers and prophets to rebuke and expose, He only spoke out in harsh judgement against those who were continually, publicly, opposing Him and the work of the Father that He was doing, empowered by the Holy Spirit.
@@1john4six Here we go again - yet another rambling (apparent) refutation of my salvation from yet another individual who knows nothing about me.
I say "apparent" refutation because the rambling nature of the comment and its random quoting of out of context scripture (KJV of course) makes it difficult to determine what exactly is being said.
This seems to be an increasingly frequent, seemingly coordinated thing from a variety of unconnected sources. Where could the coordination be coming from?
Despite your claims, I say Jesus the Messiah is the Son of God, He is the Word of God, He IS God.
I believe in Him. I've repented of my sin. I've been baptised into Him and filled with His Holy Spirit and will serve Him in whatever capacity He has called me to serve: in the promotion of the gospel of the Kingdom of God.
@@1john4six I sincerely see that you need some serious help to be freed from your self-delusion. I suggest you seek help from a genuine follower of Jesus who lives closer to you than I suspect I do.
But then again, assessing your words and you attitude, I suspect you probably think you're the only genuine one around.
Shaking your dust off my my feet...
I love this! Thanks Rod
I am convinced there is a spirit of Religion over the Reformed / Calvinist circle. When you see the Life and Truth manifesting through your life...it's over, never again will you go back into that theological box of thinking. This really is Truth that sets you free. You can see the disgust when the host of Wretched talks of the Charismatics, no love, just condescending disgust, its very sad to see.
Yes, there is something. I honestly believe that if someone is praying for healing, but they've ever come into agreement with cessationist theology, that they need to confess and renounce it and break that tie with unbelief.
There is something else though, and I'm really not sure what it is. I used to volunteer in a prayer ministry where we prayed for healing. We did see people healed, but not everyone. There was something we were missing, it was almost like I could see it.
Craig Keener, who has a two-volume work on miracles, said once in a video that a friend of his who prays and sees healing all the time in other countries prayed for Keener's headache to go and nothing happened. He said, "It doesn't work here because . . . " and then didn't finish the statement.
Because what? Jesus didn't heal everyone who was sick in Israel . . . but he healed everyone who came to him. The same with Paul in Acts. Why could Keener's friend see effective prayers in one location and not another?
@@RaisedtoWalkTV
"And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief."
~ Matthew 13:58
@@IndianaJoe0321 yes, that was in Nazareth. But I know people who believe and still haven't seen healing. As I mentioned, in the prayer ministry I was in, everyone who volunteered and everyone who came believed.
We didn't see the healing like Jesus, Paul, and Francis Chan did. Everyone who CAME was healed.
The same Holy Spirit who has the same power, so what is the difference? That is my question.
Raised to Walk I wish I had all the answers, all I can say is you stand in faith and speak to the mountain, and even if you don’t see it move you still believe it’s going to move. I have had lots of people come to me days, weeks, months later and say “hey, I haven’t had pain since”. And it is God reassuring me not to be deceived by what I don’t see right away.
@@RaisedtoWalkTV the Scripture also tells us in 2 Tim 4:20 that, "Erastus remained at Corinth, and I [Saul/Paul] have left Trophimus ill in Miletus."
I think it's a safe assumption that Paul most likely prayed several times for Trophimus, yet he wasn't healed.
Thank you for calling to pray for one of the servants of the Word !
Amen Francis! A genuine hunger for God will always be satisfied.
Praying for you Francis Chan. Amen and Glory be to Jesus our Lord. Please pray for me to be strong in the Word of our Lord Jesus too.
Great job! I appreciate you allowing so much time for Francis to speak for himself. Such a powerful testimony, and to think that he studied a MacArthur's seminary (something I was not aware of). Thanks for the work you do, and my prayer is that your work prospers. (By the way, your camera quality is great on this vid.)
Thanks. I'm better with theology than I am with videography, but I'm learning.
Great testimony from FC. He didnt use healing "failures" as an excuse for "God doesnt heal miraculously today," but stayed in faith and expectation and look at what miracles God brought.
There is nothing like seeing blind eyes opened.
Jonathan David amen brother, there is so much available for the believer if we just Believe.
Great segment!
With God All things are possible!
This is wonderful.
I love this.
So awesome! Thanks
Awesome testimony!
Great stuff!!!
I love this channel…
Francis is getting away from that calvinist mess. That's bondage he's been set free.Jesus is awesome ❤️Thank you so much for you're hard work Rod.Ive enjoyed you're u-tubes
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Wow! Praise The LORD.
Amen, may Our LORD JESUS CHRIST protect him.
Another blessed video... We lost one in Costi turned reformed and anti Holy Spirit, and we gained a better one in Chan... LOL.
excellent!
Go Francis!!!....Yeah...I've always appreciated Francis as he is a proponent of discipling Christians. Now he's entering the charismatic world. Yeah...yeah...yeah!!! In response to Francis' testimony, isn't it interesting that the Calvinist accuse the charismatic community of "watering down" the gospel...in effect it is they who are the ones who water it down.
Sad but true.
Let's love them always and rejoice when they KNOW THE TRUTH AND BELIEVE THE WHOLE WORD. 💯🔥🙏
@Undivided
Are you aware Chan is a Charismatic Calvinist?!
Oh, It is great!
Remarkable story!!
THANKS FOR AN HONEST EGO FREE EVALUATION
Even as a calvinist he had some good things to say. It's always been clear that that was the camp with which he had aligned himself.
It has been great to watch his transformation over the last couple of years. I love that he is "doing the stuff"
Yes Ann Power!
Spirit Led Approach verses Script Approach; for me Spirit Led Approach. Go for it Rod
This is covered in his book letters to the church. It’s one of those books that will destroy you old tired heart and replace it with a fresh alive heart. Thank you for sharing. Can you share the full link to that message. Keep up the great work. I’ve subscribed to your channel too!
Before I watched this, I fully expected you were gonna blast Francis Chan like Justin Peters would. Thank you for not doing that!
Yeah, I like Francis Chan.
Benny Hinn
Has been a blessing to me over the years he’s not perfect but that’s all I have to say ❤
I read four of his books a few years ago. I liked them a lot. But I'm a follower of Jesus not of persons. It is the Holy Spirit who guides me into what books I need to read.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I have watched Francis Chan's testimonies regarding his leaving his flourishing church and forsaking all in order to go as a missionary living by faith. Then he decided to return to pursue what he missed compromising his way in order to get back to where he was before. Then I came across a video of him bowing down to Bill Johnson during one of the NAR Conference. So I would question his credibility. And hearing his teachings made me doubt his understanding of the Scriptures. That's just my take.
I know Him Bro Rod's
Do you think you could help me get an interview with him?
@@JewandGreek I mean not personally but I see him in Television
@@JewandGreek let me enquire with someone of my friend who might know him
@@rickylimbu3668 Great. Thanks.
Wants his own glory
Francis Chan had already pastored a mega church and authored dozens of books prior to his supernatural awakening. He doesn't exemplify any characteristics of ego or self-glorification.
wow... may he not be seduced into darkness as some 'healers' have been in the past... may he remain faithful and true to the Holy Spirit and to his calling from God alone.. amen
And now hes moving catholic ❤❤
Calvinists do not need to evangelize. Only have superb doctrine like the Pharisees and walk around without love. When I got into the reformist camp, I remember watching a church vehicle approaching another church with different doctrinal views. The vehicle was that of a very charismatic church and the other Pentecostal AOG. I thought hmm wondering why they are going there? And I heard in my spirit, that’s what I’m doing, reconciliation. It almost felt like God was baffled by my questioning. I didn’t realize how much I had let my view harden my heart. I’ve come to realize the Lord really isn’t into our man made philosophies of Him or the divisions it brings.
Yup. You said it. Calvinists are Pharisees .
Chan loves to say "you guys". No Francis is about pleasing Chan.
You know Rod I gotta say, you have toned down the snark. #goals
Follow Jesus, not Chan or any man, and we won't be led astray. Following someone on their own personal journey of development is problematic. God bless Chan and all of us as we serve him. At the same time, watch out for false prophets.
MARK 9:23 I guess is true.
I used to be in a reform camp and it was dry dry dry. No Holy Spirit, no miracles, no healing, etc.... God thankfully moved me to a full gospel type of camp 30 years ago. I'll never go back, I've been on both sides. Once you experience the Holy Spirit it's never the same. Reform camp was boring and grieve the Holy Spirit imo.
God is the only that truly healed of that's God's will. not man, not Francis.
What's your point? Nobody is claiming that Francis healed anybody. Francis is giving the glory to God in relating what God did through him.
"I love Mike Bickle, I love this guy".... Thats not good? I'm laughing but I'm horrified also! Do they hear themselves?
Yeah, I guess we're not supposed to love everybody.
Reality - 1:35 Francis Chan: I love Mike Bickle. I really love this guy.
Todd Friel: That isn’t good.
Discernment Channels’ Mind - Francis Chan: I hate Mike Bickle. I really hate this guy.
Todd Friel: That is very good.
Well, Francis is where He has to.
Jesus was with bad people guiding people to see Jesus:
Todd Friel irritates me .. he's like the Howard Stern of the You Tube ministers lol
U guys are funny ....this is one of the most autrageous video i hve watched... great is francis reward in heaven than the marker of this video its even odd
What
I don't see nor hear anything he said or done which is scripturally wrong. Why judging from afar a brother who is manifesting the same healings and miracles Jesus Christ has done while here in earth. Did not Jesus said that believers will do greater things than which He did? Let us not attack another brother but rather pray for them and that God continues to anoint him to do more
Wretched is truly wretched. What a bunch of worms!
Yikes. He’s been bitten by the EXPERIENCE GOSPEL. We were in the charismatic movement for years and didn’t know the scriptures at all, therefore we had no CONTEXT for what we were told to believe. We were laying hands on people and they would say, “yah, I guess my legs better?” “Oh good, you’re healed, next.” They weren’t true healings like Jesus and his apostles did. Now that we are in the scriptures and finally have understanding in context what the healing gifts WERE for, its a relief to know GOD is the one who heals IF HE CHOOSES. Its not me trying to make something happen. It was exhausting thinking it was all up to me to be just like Jesus and do everything he did. Well, I haven’t walked on water and Im thinkin probably never will cause Im not Jesus. And Im at peace with that. Finally. I’m praying Francis Chan doesn’t get completely lost in the false gospel of the New Apostolic Reformation.
So you're saying that those kids said "yeah I guess I can hear now"? People who are led by experience usually end up cessationist because they don't see anything happen. You have to be taught cessationism because the natural reading of the scriptures says that God does miracles always. Francis' own testimony confirms that.
@Jew and Greek You do have a tendency to overreach in your argumentation. I love hyperbolic language as much as the next guy but try steel manning instead. You’ll get further.
@@pateunuchity884 Who are you debating?
Ask those of us who are happy for Francis Chan, if we care about your analysis of Rods
Good news.
Actually your statement is hypobolic.
Why would you reccomend steelmanning ?
You simply confirmed my assertion your statement being a, Hypobolic senseless rant.
That is why Rod did not waste time to reply...just saying
@John Moore
Cessationists believe in miracles, casting out demons and words of knowledge. Johnny Mac himself shares about how he personally rebuked a demon from a possessed girl. Even well known Calvinist scholars give room for speaking in tongues. That’s the truth....just saying.
But you can continue in your cessationist phobia/paranoia if you like....
@@pateunuchity884 Why the presumption of phobia?
I was saved in a Baptist Church,spent the majority of my life as a Baptist.
I fellowship among Baptist.
The only thing I ever watched cast out by a Baptist was their members.
Not all Baptist were doing that,just some I met later in life.
As a Free Will Baptist we never turned anyone away for their denomination.
We had Charismatic and, Pennacostal people in our Church.
Your presumption of me is based on ignorance of fact.
Signs and wonders bear witness of the gospel message so that unbelievers may come to know Him, not so that believers can have a signs and wonders party. It is interesting to note that the two generations witnessing God's power first hand still failed to fully trust Him. The generation in Exodus were stiff necked just like the generation during the time of Jesus. More people have come into relationship based on the account of the eye witnesses recorded in the Word of God than having witnessed signs and wonders.
I addressed signs and wonders in another video. This video was about Francis Chan's testimony, and I hardly think you could characterize his mission trip to Myanmar as a "signs and wonders party".
@@JewandGreek I was not speaking of what is happening in the Lord's ministry through Francis. Rather contrasting what is happening where he is now to when he formerly desired to see the Lord's hand at work. Never the less, what I said remains.
Sorry, he believes this. Do your miracles now, here in America. What stops him.
I think he thinks the charismatics are healing people and he wants that gift even if their theology is screwed up. Hope I wrong about him.
how can you knock todd white sick
valerieann cummings there’s entire CZcams channels devoted to it sadly. The Netflix documentary “American gospel” makes a point of it
No mention of scripture in this? The "charismatic community" should should take 2 Timothy 4 and James 3 into serious consideration, as should everyone who claims Christ and teaches on His behalf.
I've done plenty of videos covering what the Bible says about healing. You can start here. czcams.com/video/vk4oKlGbO3o/video.html
I used to listen to that guy befor then later on just started to feel that he is self righteous
What about you.. You seem to critisice everyone.. Are yuu so perfect and rivht🤔 the Word of God says, Judge ye not that ye not be judged
Where is proof of these healing? Why are these healings always far away where no one sees them. Go to a hospital or heal someone and show us real evidence of these healings as there are so much false healings announced out there.
Francis Chan always talks about Francis Chan. Also more money in the charismatic movement and the can pretend you are cool! Chan shares his stories like
heretic Jesse Duplantis
Sorry that’s just wrong…..maybe your not aware that he’s walked away from all his churches. He’s full time ministry in the underground church in China. He and his whole family. It’s not about money, fame, or praise. He’s passionate about Gods love. He’s doing the work we all need. Read Lester’s the church, In it he shares his walk thru this stuff. It’s totally amazing.
But don’t be so high and mighty to think you know this man’s heart. Because what you said, is not true.
@@stevemoog4952 so Chan doesn't love Francis Chan? That's my only point. But you are over defending this
quasi NAR cult apologist and probably a member. Are you a member of Bill Johnson's Bethel Church? You might try some grave sucking there. We see Mr.Chan speaking along with Catholic bishops, prosperity preachers like Benny Hindu, and false teachers like Todd White and Mike Bickle One should not associate with false teachers, prosperity preachers, Catholic bishops in the name of unity. You can hold Chan in great esteem if you wish. As for me he's along with his pals are agents of the anti-christ 👹
Go away Moooog
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@@ernestoybarra7333 well first I live in Va. I don’t attend Bill Johnson’s church. Second, let’s stick to the topic of this video. Chan is sharing about preaching Jesus to these villagers. He then says they prayed. People got healed. If this is false teachings, then most of the New Testament is false. It just didn’t matter what I believe or you at that point. They believed it. They did it, it’s in there and it worked. How you are I account for it is the point. Chan is product of John MacArthers seminary. John teaches that slavery is morally ok if you have a good master. Does everyone agree with that’s now? See we can play the whos a bigger heretic game. But instead let’s go this way. We love Jesus first. We study and know who God is thru his word. We use that knowledge to humbly seek God and serve him. We love our enemies. I’m in the Jesus camp, I’m following him. You don’t know me and my life after I found Christ. Chan is just one man doing his part the best he sees fit to serve Christ too.
Ron’s video is about that interesting truth. That’s what this is about. Truth. Those that hear his voice follow him, we are his sheep. Him being god. Thru the power of the holy spirit we are lead, he takes us where we go and we humbly obey.
I’m not Chan, but I’ve learned one thing about him I love. He loves Jesus. Anyone who loves Jesus is worthy of listening too. That’s who I’m picking up my cross to follow and love. Jesus.
A wise man once said, if you have a problem with someone, pray for them to the point of tears of love for them, before you condemn they publicly. Otherwise your just acting out of your own will and power against them. You’re not seeking God for them, you just want to vent. I don’t mind you venting on me. I love you either way. You’d be amazed at what Gods done in my heart. You may even like Jesus in me too. Hope you have the best day ever.
Don’t believe me, here’s my phone (757) 650-3790. Call me or text me directly anytime.
@@stevemoog4952
Bla bla bla see my initial post on your pal Chan who also pals with another of your pals Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland. Poor Chan just wants to be loved 😥
So get your mooog 🐄 and go away and sow your "$eed" of $10.00 and you'll get 100.00 bucks
So says "Pastor" Jesse Duplantis.
Or have Chan's pal Todd White
lengthen your leg! 🤣
@@ernestoybarra7333 are you a follower of Christ at all with this attitude? My name is Moog. Not Mooog. Second I don’t control who meets or knows who…. Lastly we should meet and share our love of Christ with anyone. I don’t personally know Chan. I’ve listened to messages he’s given and read one book, in study group from my church. I don’t follow Hinn, or Jessie……again call me up, I left you phone number. I’m not afraid to go over these topics. Again have a great day.
Todd Friel is one of the worse people I've seen yet.
Bull$hit