Psychoanalysis (Robin Hanson & Agnes Callard, with Jamieson Webster)
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- čas přidán 8. 11. 2023
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Imagine two smart curious friendly and basically truth-seeking people, but from very different intellectual traditions. Traditions with different tools, priorities, and ground rules. What would they discuss? Would they talk past each other? Make any progress? Would anyone want to hear them? Economist Robin Hanson and philosopher Agnes Callard decided to find out.
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I think the main issue in modern society is wether people even realise that they are unconsciously shaped by their environment and therefore most of us are disconnected from our authentic self. And think, feel and act out of unconscious habits, not out of free will or conscious decisions. I believe that the school system should provide tools for self inquiry and self shaping and self choosing.
Gosh, it would have been helpful to your viewers if the essay was read so that we can all be on the same or similar thought page. I feel that I've barged into a private conversation between two friends. I'll check back another time to see where this channel is in a few weeks. I think there are possibilities here!
EDIT: I skipped ahead to the topic of psychoanalysts being most concerned about those who are psychotic or schizophrenic, being the most fragile. This is news to me. Can they begin with the most treatable first? As I recall, not even the most treatable are being cured with analysis. Isn't that the fresh beginning to fashion for 2021, first? I'm not going to skip ahead again since I'm the only one voicing my thoughts on this channel in two weeks. Keep going, this feels real.
*there are 3 angels standing over to my left, two yelling at each other about whether it is better to strive, in our only life w dth impending, or betr to just use manipulation to get minor things done; one trying to get my attn - to get between them; & another shuffling hard drives around at an incredible speed in the back of my head (horizontal slotted in left side of my head, vertical on the right):* am i more or less psychically healthy than you thought i was before reading this? SSHHH! I AM ASKING THEM?! _JC
LOL, you'd be a perfect candidate for psychoanalysis. Neurotics have jumbled minds. I know, because you described me in high school years.
What does being a neurotic indicate for our future years? It means being smart enough to know that life should not be so difficult, but not smart enough to know how to de-jumble your mind.
It also indicates that IF you have goals for yourself it will be challenging to meet them. You think you could move forward in life, yet it's too frightening and/or exhausting to make it happen. It's next to impossible, anyway, because you are too anxious, depressed or overwhelmed to do much else other than minimum age work or waiting tables for a wage and tips if you feel good enough with yourself image.
Sorry, I should not project my old, unanalyzed self onto those of you in dire straights. I can only remember too well the feelings of defeat and misery.
And yes, many are worse off, but that's not to imply that neurotics have it much better. Misery and unhappiness is very similar for all injured souls.
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t's obvious that you've got some things going for yourself; don't waste it. Get it fixed.
What an analyst of today would likely identify as a “symptom” has changed dramatically from decades ago. I think it would be fruitful to look into that.
I like this question, yet, I'd like to add a twist. Initially, I would hope that a new analysand began psychoanalysis because of some behavior of theirs that he/she wanted insight into as to why he/she could not concentrate, or focus on learning something challenging (that was important to him/her), as an example.
Where or how would an analyst identify a symptom, this, even in the old days of 40 -50 years ago would not come up until a therapeutic relationship had been established.
Why do those seeking analysis these days get into treatment - does the analyst offer his knowledge of possible symptoms upon getting a new client? What does this look like in your mind?
26:30 sexuality & instability of aha insight _JC
26:07, this is wild. I wonder what a general theory of "some random but somehow influential wordcel wrote a bunch of made up stuff with made up words and meaningless relationships between such words, some time in the past and now various cults base status around depth of such made up systems and convince people outside of their cult that they should have some sort of general status and not be ridiculed for being completely insane, and that by namedropping such people or reading their books you can gain some of this status." would look like. Relatedly its a tragedy that people such as Freud have orders of magnitude more mainstream influence than people such as Trivers, imagine a world where namedropping Bob would elicit the same reaction that namedropping Freud has, as opposed to the "Who?".