I Feel Stupid - I've Spent over £35k on Amps
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00:00 Intro using Glassy Plexi 2024 helix preset
2:24 A dangerous question
8:30 I think that's most of them?
9:22 I buy amps second hand (almost always)
9:35 If I could buy ONLY one head?
9:54 I forgot these
10:19 the Grand total
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If you're not criminally irresponsible with your money you're not a real guitar player. That's just the way it is.
Perfect haha
The affirmation I needed! I’m a real guitarist! Explains so much!
@@honkytonkinson9787 People come over and see my setup and are like "Wow FFFP, you must be rich!" Nope! I'm just really irresponsible with my money.
Lol, so true!!
I'm DOUBLE real!!!
With most hobbies/professions it's a right of passage to buy lots of stuff you don't need to figure out what works best for you. It's easy to look back and say "all I needed to buy was X", but the fact is you had to burn through lots of stuff to find out what your X is.
Some people spend that much on Golf Clubs, some on Hot Rod car parts. If it's your hobby and the value doesn't depreciate and your bills are paid then it's all good. Hobbies can be expensive. The good news is that in the guitar world nowadays there are very inexpensive solutions that are incredible.
This is all true! My friends that hunt spend tons on equipment and property rentals etc! Also, my friends with boats too…they spend tons and tons!
Hx Stomp XL
I remember telling you years ago that once you have a Helix Floor you can be done with the amps. Put that money in the bank or into something else.
Well, heck! Let's just plug an air guitar into an air amp and be done with it! 🙂
Costs of your experience, You would never know how they sound and feel if you hadn't tried them ...
There's a common saying that seems empty on the surface - 'You've got to go there, to come back' and I feel thats so very true when it comes to purchases haha. Even if you reflect later on the 'wasted' money you had to go there, to come back - Yano?
This is really deep actually
I have two amps. One is Marshall style and the other Fender style. I do not have ants in my pants. I spend time practicing, recording, and gigging. I spend money on my family. Sure the odd pedal is fun but being excessive with anything is unhealthy.
Good points!! I think there's way too much emphasis on gear nowadays, and you can tell it with the new players coming up.
Dude, some people spend that pimping up a Vauxhall Corsa...
Bro - My Honda Jazz could use some work
@@johnnathancordy 🤣🤣🤣
I've spent probably over 100k on gear, but I've also almost always sold at a profit, or breaking even. In the end, making gear trading a hobby, and even a side business has afforded me some keepers for low coin. It's also a lot of fun to dabble, and decide for one's self which pieces are truly "worth it" for the individual.
Funny enough, my one and only amp (after buying / selling approximately 75), is a 1965 Fender Showman that sounds great on guitar and bass, depending on the cabinet. I'm not going to disclose which amps I wish I hadn't sold, for fear of further driving up their prices, haha.
Buyers remorse is not a good feeling. The problem is we never seem to learn the lesson.
Man, tell me about it. I've bought some REALLY good stuff that I absolutely loved (and hope to one day have back), but in every case, there comes a point where reality hits and I'm like..."I spent a lot of money on this gear and I'm still having a hard time piecing together a band to play with...why am I torturing myself and my wallet over this??"
HX Stomp --> Palmer Solid State poweramp --> VHT 212 Cab
Infinite amps, saved me a lot of money
Just out of curiosity... do you use the amp or preamp models when you go to a separate poweramp? Instinctively, I would think preamp into external power amp.
@@kevinvandenberg5548 That's what I thought,
But you're not getting any poweramp gain colouration, because it's a clean poweramp.
So now, especially with the Voxes which have strange poweramp configurations, I'm using the full amp
#this
@@ElmarSprong That makes a lot of sense, thanks!
Stereo setup? What Palmer model are using? Cab routed for stereo too?
Thanks.
Gorgeous playing mate, Lovely.
Just a hobbyist that plays at home. Was using a Katana 50 but recently acquired a Mesa Fillmore 25 that I’m really enjoying.
Right now I have a Mesa Mark 1 Reissue, Matchless HC-30 with matching 2x12, Marshall 1959HW with matching 4x12, Fender '64 Vibroverb Custom and a Fender '57 Custom Deluxe... And I have to control myself not to buy more. I must have bought over 50 tube amps over the years, some I've regret selling, like the hand made, custom ordered Rozon amp from Canada...
Hi John, recent sub here. I think this avenue of self assessment is probably something we should all do. I'm more money into guitars than i would like, but they bring me joy, a feeling of accomplishment.
When i see people with a rolex or sports car I know i get more enjoyment out of my expense than them.
Your guitar playing has improved in that you no longer seem to be overdoing the chromatic runs. 👍
Haha ! Nice to see another example of a fellow amp enthusiast who has been through a few. Impressive list by the way ! I seem to have a thing for small combos. Princeton Reverb 12 inch CRex, super champ XD, Rivera Super Champ. from '82, Blues Jr, GTX50, Yamaha THR10II, and as of tomorrow, supro Amulet 12.
Your channel is great ! Inspiring playing at all times.
I've gone through several amps tubes and solid state - most of this has been out of curiosity. The amp conundrum fuels my interest in modelers.
You think you are alone in this mess John 🤣🤣🤣
Nothing wrong with a journey of self discovery imo. Especially one that ultimately doesn't lose you a ton of money along the way as you flip stuff.
I think there was also a Henriksen Bud to add to your list! Great amp and I still use mine.
Was that VHT amp on your list? I have a number of tonal amps, starting with a 1981 Dave Fredman modded, a JCM 800, a Super Reverb, two Supersonic 22s, a 57 Deluxe, a 57 Champ, and a VHT head that sits on a Peavey tweed cab with a celestion vintage 30. I know all about that tone hole you go down. I am older now. I have had my share of amps and had to sell some when I was younger to make ends meet. If I had to pick the one amp you sound best on, I would say it's the VHT. Sometimes cost isn't the factor, good is just good. I enjoy your tutorials. You break it all down and keep real.
Just did this exercise, ~$17k on second hand amps, sold $13k and still have a remaining 5 that should net $7k so on the balance, I feel that I am on the up as far as amps go. The experience was well worth it and I’m very comfortable with “my” sound.
HI John. I must say you are a fantastic Guitarist. The AMP thing is a never ending Quest. Believe me when I tell you that no Amp is Worth much more than About 5 to 600 quid. The most expensive parts are the Transformers costing around 2 to 300 and the cabinet about 30 to 50 the valves about 100. And the rest for the small amount of components it takes to make it up with board jacks and switches. You are better off building your Own. say Vyse Amps school. EG. When you buy a finished amp from any manufacturer be it Soldano , Two Rock , or any manufacturer. Your only getting what there interpretation of a good sounding amp is A lot of Boutique amp designers can't play that well anyways, so how can they say what sounds good for you. Any way build your own ,give it a shot and tailor the sound to what you think is good.take control of your Own tone. It's got a lot to do with your perceived EQ and how the harmonics react to over drive. Good Luck. Best Regards. John.
I use a HX Stomp and a Fender FR10 -> a winning combination! 😍
This is the way!
My '66 Deluxe Reverb is my best amp and the one I play the most, but my $250 made-in-China Vox AC4TV is the one I play next most. The Vox sounds great as-is with the 10 inch speaker, and I made an extension cab for it with a 12 inch speaker that makes it useful for smaller gigs. I have various other amps that are cool but I don't actually use/play them much (although if I got the right sort of gig I would). I am constantly amazed at how good the cheap Vox sounds when it is turned up and overdriving. No pedal could match it.
reminds me of the saying "if, at any given moment, you have more $$$ in music gear in your car, than the car is worth, you are a true musician". Also, you did not have 35k (british pounds) worth of amps all at one time. THAT would be bad. 🤣
I’m guessing I got my first amp around 40 years ago. Can still listen to them all I think…
- Intermusic Imp combo - sold
- Marshall Valvestate 8080 combo - still own
- Trace-Elliot Speed Twin 50W combo - still own
- Ampmakers SE5A head (self build from kit) - still own
- Fender Supersonic 22W combo (Ltd edition with gold tolex and Vintage 30) - still own
- Victory V30 Countess head - sold
- Bad Cat ‘Hot Cat’ 45W head - still own
- Boss IR-2 (for completeness) - still own
I’ve owned most of the amps you mentioned…..right now I love my $30 Peavey Backstage plus…..no pedals…..
Nice! As Rhett schull and Zach from Mythos pedals say “if peavey made a boat, I’d buy it” 😆
That was my second ever amp. Really good little sst amp.
I wish I had held onto my first gen Peavey Classic 20. That was a great amp, traded it away because It didn't have an fx loop and I needed a combo with some clean headroom and an fx return to use as a mono power amp and speaker for my downsized Roland GP-100 rig when I stopped using a mess Fifty Fifty stereo power amp and pair of 1x12 EVM12L cabs.
I was dumb. That thing was incredible as a recording amp or for jamming in a room with just a drive pedal in front of it if that.
I feel your pain. I haven’t purchased a tube amp in years, but I haven’t sold the ones I have either. But I just purchased a mint used Tone King Imperial II because the price was crazy low and I always wanted one since I tried a version 1 many years ago. This is pretty heavy so I’ll probably never gig it. But never say never.
I've spent quite a bit of money on gear, but I've gotten to the point where I'm generally trying to move something on if I'm buying something new. There are also a lot of far more expensive hobbies.
I just did a quick add up and found I’ve spent about 32K (but in NZD) on amps AND guitars over the last 36 years. On average exchange rates over that time that’s probably about 16 thousand pounds. That’s 17 electric guitars, 1 acoustic, and 8 amps. I’ve sold a few of these. A mix of secondhand and new. It’s been much cheaper than owning and mooring a boat. I generally bought far less while I was regularly gigging. If you throw in the cost of pedals, accessories, repairs, upgrades, and picking up and transporting the drummer I reckon it would be closer to 50K. And a hernia and a bad back 😊. Still, over four decades it has kept me happy. Next week I’m thinking of learning a third chord 😊.
Buy once, cry once.
This is true with Rickenbackers. I did my crying when I sold my ’96 325v63 in 2014 and cried a bit more buying the identical serial numbered guitar back for more than what I originally paid.
Hey John, I’ve bought your presets and loaded them into the HX edit. Do I need to go through each one and load an IR to them?
John, could’ve missed it, but I’d like to see you have a PowerStage by Seymour Duncan on the channel. Would love to see how you get along with the HX Stomp into that.
Guitars, strings, pedals….you must have lived on Pot Noodles
Every time I've bought a 4x12, it's felt like a great idea... For the first little while. Then it's just in the way until I sell it.
HA! I've only owned one once in my teens, maybe it's time to get one more....
@@johnnathancordy"The Torture Never Stops" (Frank Zappa) 😂
I definitely have a shorter & less expensive (and less impressive list). Peavey Rage 158, Marshall MG15, Vox Pathfinder 10, Crate 200watt solid state thing (the only amp I blew up), Traynor YCV80Q, Vox AC10, Fender Bassbreaker 15, Fender Princeton 68 Reissue, Supro Delta King 8, 1957 Gibson Gibsonette, 1950s Bell & Howell Filmosound 185 (which turns out is actually a 285). Total off the top f my head....around $6.5k CAD or sub 4000 pounds. And I've been pretty happy with 80% of these.
Damn....150 quid for that Rift Amp is unbelievable value. That'd be good value at ten times that.
Can you make a video using tonex one in the effect loop of the helix floor ? I’m thinking to buy one for put the helix next level
Really not bad. You bought them used/second hand, and then sold them for around what you paid for them. While it is a lot of $, in the long run they didn't cost you all that much.
I built a 5e3 from a modulus kit … best amp i have had and the most basic… but most versatile,its a keeper probably due to the amount of effort i put into it.
I had a 64 original ac 30
Marshall jmp
Original silver jub
Basket weave marshall 4x12 with green backs in …sold it all in the 80,s/90,s to get more modern gear BIG REGRETS
I wonder what you think of the Supro Delta King 12 Combo Amp is, John? I confess that I find it a very impressive amp. I cannot compete with the sheer number of electric guitar amps which John Cordy has owned, but I have at various times owned the following:
* Mesa Boogie Nomad
* Roland Jazz Chorus JC 120
* Roland Blues Cube
* Roland Cube
* Cornford (don't remember the details)
* HH (big and very heavy)
* Carvin
* Hughes & Kettner (large)
* Boss Katana II
* Peavey
I have also tried, but sadly never owned, a Traynor. But for me, the nicest amp of all is the Supro Delta King 12.
Nomad! Which one did you have? Supros aren't supro common in the UK - they seemed to have a bit of a resurgence with the Neo Soul thing on instagram but I don't hear much about them anymore?
@@johnnathancordy I think the Supro Delta King 12 is pretty 'hot off the press' - they haven't been around for very long, ie less than 6 months.
The Noman I had - if memory serves - was maybe 50 Watts, and was the last separate Head and Speaker in the UK, the others were all combos. I owed some money to a friend, so I gave them to him in lieu of dosh.
Can you recommend a good stereo amp for use with a modeller? I love playing through my pa, headphones or monitors and it just kills me switching to a normal mono guitar amp.
I have a solid state behringer keyboard amp that can handle any instrument I throw at it. Ironically I can’t get modelers to sound any better than just the instruments with effects. It has mutiple inputs including one for microphone
Since I hit the modelling scene I haven't bought any amps unless you call the powercab, Headrush FRFR112 or the Fender Tone Master FR12 an amp. I only use the Fender now. I have two excellent Carvin vintage series amps, one is a Belair with the tweed 2x12 ext. cab and the other is a Carvin VT50 with the tweed 4x10. I don't gig with either one any more but I just might. The VT50's original owner told me after I bought it that it was purchased with the help of Joe Walsh so that just means it stays no matter what. Tonight and tomorrow night's gigs involve me leaving my Helix floor at home and using my Boss GX100 into my Fender Fr12. Light weight and my back says 'thank you". I love my amps but they are each just one amp. My Helix and Boss are a whole lot more.
I never get along with Fender amps or gear but I have the FR12. It's likely the only thing I used from Fender that live up to the hype. I run my Boss IR-2 through it with my pedalboard and just acquired the Ampero 2 Stage. I still have three other amps (’96 Ampeg R12R l, JC22 and JC40). Had to get the R12R serviced. Wasn't cheap at all replacing capacitors. I love tube amps but it's hard to find qualified amp techs in my area. I'm fixing to pair down as it won't get used as much.
I’ve definitely spent a lot of money on amps. I’ve since gotten rid of them and use pedals instead. Much cheaper to get a Marshall in a box thing than try different heads all the time.
I don’t use modelers live but totally would. Since I’ve gotten a Helix and an Atomic Ampli-Firebox I’ve never wanted another amp.
I need to pull the plug and sell my only remaining tube amplifier. The truth is that my boss Katana covers all my gigging needs and my plugins cover all my recording needs. I think to myself "what if I need it once and I end up regretting it"? But the ugly truth is that I haven't used it for 2 months and I probably won't need it
I have not had tons of amps over my 50+ years of playing, but I’ve had several that I have kept. That said, I would not hesitate to gig with my Katana MKI head that I got for $200 used.
How comes you've never owned any of the ROland JC's amps?
An amp I won’t sell are my 2 line 6 DT 50 one is a head one is a 212 combo. I think they are so unique.
For my current skill level, a Bassbreaker 007 is sufficient. It's a tube amp with a decent and full sound. I have a few other amps but nothing "boutique". My problem is the number of guitrars I have, I will probably have to sell off a few soon.
I am a pro at buying new guitars and selling them for less than what I paid. I’m probably down about €1700 since 2021.
That’s €1700 into thin air. Just to realize I didn’t like/need that particular guitar.
I keep buying amps, as well, because I'm "looking for something"... yet I continue to gig my Helix and sell the amps as soon as I try and fail to find "giggable" tones to match or outdo my Helix. I'm about to come to the same conclusion as you, and just stop the search and be happy.
Reminds me, I need to sell some amps. I have 6 that I never use. Mix of tube and solid state models.
1k per year on a hobby/job and getting most of the money back to reinvest is actually great
Ive been Playing for 30 ish years as well, probably only owned about 6 amps. At this point, just buy a tonex and see what you like first, then get the actual model if you really want it. I get the feeling repairmen will be harder and harder to come by soon.
people spend so much money boutique gear trying to get a “better” sound. there are 1000s of cheap solid state amps that have been largely abandoned and many sound amazing and very different.
It was painful to see you sell the Two Rock.
Literally just buy a 70s silverface twin reverb and call it a day. $1000 for the purchase, an extra $600 to completely service it and/or put in some celestions. Its heavy, but it does everything
It sounds like a lot, but given the high turnover the only number that really matters is the delta between buy price and sale price and how much you are currently holding in stock value. ie so next vid just work out what you subsequently sold each of them for, and then look at the difference between what you outlaid (35K) and what you recouped after sale, and the current value of what you still have. i am sure it won’t be that bad after all that, and certainly a justifiable ‘business expense’
Just one a henriksen bud 6, but take to me about my guitar problem and pedal problem lol
Me too!
I have two amps I bought 11 years ago. I had a couple before that from the 80s. I learnt my lessons early on to that GAS was going to end in debt, divorce and possible death! 🤣 Guitars are a different story.
All CapEx JNC. That’s how your accountant earns their corn!
You missed out your line 6 dt-50?
Thanks to Amps Sims, Modelers, and Software solutions, I've spent less than a 10th of what John has, including my Music Man RD110 Amp.
that's on the way to owning your own Dumble...just saying
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Amount of righteous lecturers on here, oh my goodness …. Buying used gear and flipping it after playing it for a while isn’t spending £35k. We all just look after/ rent gear and eventually, pass it on … we are custodians, we die, it moves on.
I've been buying n selling guitar amps since 1976! I've no idea how many I've owned or how much I've spent...lol
Sure you may have spent a large amount of money over time but maybe another way of looking at it is how much do you have “on the table” at the moment. I say this because I know you have sold them in order to buy the next ones. I’m in that mode with modelers over the past few years. So… maybe look at it in a NET vs GROSS sort of way instead??
Being a music consumer more than a producer is a trap for semi-pro musicians. Gear is actually just an expense to be minimised and a distraction from building revenue.
The more I learn to use what I already have the less I worry about how much I spend.
It's the same as car guys, it's interesting, educational, and sometimes( if you're actually gigging them), it's useful to buy amps, but at the root of it, like trying to buy that special guitar, it's, let's face it, indulgeance.... so unless buying amps, cars or guitars, is starting to control you instead of you controlling it, why not enjoy your life. If you're a car guy you might lust sfter an Aston Martin, and eventually settle for a Jaguar, but keep a Toyota for a "daily driver" Unless you're Chris Fantana, in which case you're into both amos and cars. I've never had enough money to buy amps or guitars frivolously, so they've always been used for playing at home for fun, jam sessions,recording, and live gigs, so after I've bought a new one I'll invariably be selling an old one. Oh the regret! ( seller's remorse can be more soul destroying than buyer's remorse.Eyes fixed on some shiny new but of gear, I'v foolishly sold or traded two JCM 800 2210's, a good silverface Fender twin, a Vox STR ( AC30 top only), a small and handy Gallien Crueger 250ML, an originalTS808, which luckily I was able to buy back, a Groovetubes STPG ( admittedly broken), and a beautiful sounding Marshall JMP 1x12 combo ( master volume and metal toggle switches) I've sold a japanese nylon Aria, I think, that was a cheap guitar that sounded amazing, and there's other stuff I forgotten. This must sound very average to northern hemispherians ( even Australians), but each time I actually used the amps all the time, and they were the best I could afford in the seventies,eighties,nineties, and noughties, before everything became astronomically priced ( especially in NZ). So selling is sometimes worse than buying.... but it's more incestuous than that, because most of that list was what I bought after selling or trading the one immediately before it! ( wish I still had my sixties Marshall quad with the 16 OHM greenbacks) I'm being incredibly rude,(sorry) because I'm suggesting( I now realise) that you shouldn't feel so bad, having Amp Acquisition Syndrome, and the wherewithal and location to enjoy it, so cheer up? Nice sound in the intro!😄
But you were trading, selling amps for pretty much what you bought them for, and over a long period too. Apart from the Two Rock, it doesn't sound like you had much cash locked up at any one time. Seems pretty healthy to me.
That's a crazy number, but it helped you grow your CZcams Channel and didn't most of that gear hold its value quite well?
I sometimes get mad that affluent guys have a zillion dollars in gear, but I'm really just jealous. It would be fun to play with, but I really only need a Tele and 335 and a Princeton.
The beauty of going crazy on good gear is you usually get your money back when you sell it. While there are better places to invest, it's not like buying a pair of shoes where you never see that money again.
If you can afford it, what does it matter? If you can't afford it? Screw it. Do it anyway.
It takes time for your ears to develop with gear, so I wouldn't feel bad about spending on that part of it, it's just part of the process of discovery. What IS stupid is getting in over your head with those purchases. I've come to realize that buying gear should be a balancing act between your current needs and your future aspirations; basing your decisions too far to either one side will come back to haunt you every time
But if you bought an amp and sold it, only the difference (and the cost of repairs) counts.
Software that run on a 5$ cpu can create any guitar sound.
All the modelers, pedal, amps are glamour boxes and screen to increase the price. Expect the price of all that stuff to crash hard.
Amps, Pedals, and Modelers will continue to go up in price, just as everything else has.
@@easye9-21 Yeah, they will find ways to make it more boutique or more high end.
So many people salivate at the fractal because it's expensive, same with tube amps and vintage stuff.
Do a blind test on any of those and see what people are really paying for.
@@alexforget My Axe Fx 3 is far and away the best piece of gear I've ever bought. It's as good as advertised. I love my boutique amps and have several of them along with way too many pedals, but my Axe Fx is my go to 90 percent of the time.
1k a year is nothing , if you smoke or drink or have "other indulgences" thats nothing, imagine have 3 huge dogs or 50 cats
Where the puppies been?
The video title you don't want your wife to see...
There is no question that you are an exceptional player. However the old adage is true the tone is in your hands. Secondly most punters can't tell the difference so who is kidding who here ? Keep the money and spend it on your young family.
AND You WIFE is Still with you? She's a KEEPER for Sure!
The next title is, "I ❤ my wife. My wife is amazing."
Thank God I have a wife to stop me from doing the same thing 😅
Yeh but you earn that back in a month from Truefire and Heroin 😊
I spent £110 on mine. It's not even a real amp...
Just think about how you could’ve invested 35,000 and it would have grown about 35,000. Enjoy your used amps and similar sale value.
I think i think i think
You've spent too much on gear? Join the club!
Well you’re a musician and you’re on a journey chasing a sound that means something to you. Today there’s too much choice which is a distraction from the music. Musicians back in the 60’s had to make do with limited choices of mostly crappy equipment and that gave the time to hone their skills.
Seeing as you’re a gigging musician and a parent that also needs living space and likes tube amps but the costs of servicing them is not great the solution is a no brainer. Bluguitar Amp 1 mercury it can be dialled in to tone match the amps you like, (see the gear street video where they do this). It’s got a tube in the power section, it’s small and has recording outputs.
My amp collection Orange or15, super crush 100, crush pro cr120, cr60, micro dark.
Fender pro junior, champion 100.
EHX dirt road, Ehx 5mm
Seymour Duncan power stage 170.
Vox ac15, mini super beetle.
Marshall Origin 20, JCM 800 half stack, valvestate 20, dsl1
Blackstar silverline 100 head
Roland blues cube artist, Roland micro cube
Boss katana 🤦♂️
Peavey Bandit
Bluguitar Amp 1 mercury
So you’re not the only one and lock down was the trigger.
There is nothing practical about being a musician; there is nothing practical about buying amps (or guitars, or modelers, or pedals, or whatever). John, take care of your family and live your life. If buying amps and impractical gear makes you happy, please do this thing. You don't get any "bonus points" at the end for denying yourself, no one is keeping track. But please stop re-purchasing the Mesa Lonestar - good grief, just keep the damn thing.
Guilty.
Is your wife subbed to this channel 👀😂?
Add guitars to that and it would be much more (at least for me)
But if you sold most of them and got your money back then it's a wash.
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It’s not accurate to say you’ve spent £35k on amps if you’ve also sold the majority of them. It’s just not how accounting works. Your actual spend is your cash outlay for amps less your receipts on the sale of those amps. For instance: if you bought an amp for £1k then sold it for £900 then bought a different amp for £2k then sold it for £2k then bought a third amp for £3k then sold it for £2500 then bought an amp £500 which you still own….then you’ve spent £1,100 on amps, not £6,500. Also, if you’ve bought them used and they hold their value well (as tube amps do, but modeling amps don’t) then it’s more accurate to say you’ve “tied up” money in amps but haven’t “lost” that money yet. The loss only happens if you can’t resell it (lost/damaged/stolen) or you sell it for less than you paid for it. Otherwise you’ve just “frozen” the cash spent in a “savings account” that may or may not earn you interest.
In my specific case, I’ve made money buying and selling tube amps and I’ve lost a decent amount buying and selling modelers. I’ve never bought an amp or modeler new btw.