When Fan Bases Suck
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- čas přidán 31. 03. 2024
- We all know of fan bases that have people with missing brain cells (and probably chromosomes). But on a smaller level, what can be done to prevent idiocy?
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SPREAD THE METAL LIKE A PLAGUE! - Hudba
In a nutshell. You listen to what you want to listen to, I'll listen to what I want to listen to, and neither of us should be dicks about it.
Every friendship I had from 1988 to about 1997 started with someone saying "Dude, nice shirt!".
I’m a big fan of these smaller, more personal and talkative videos you put out Killbot. I love the big projects like the SP and Agalloch show vids but these little ones are a nice distraction from the day too! lol
Thank you much!! Big stuff always on the horizon
You seem like a level-headed and laid back guy. That's admirable.✌ Great vid.
Thank you so much! :)
0:56 - 1:06 a tough life lesson that many metalheads (including myself) have to learn the hard way.
I know it…
Duuuuuuuude it's mad mike!!!!! I love ur AxCx vid you put out
Duuuuuuuude it's mad mike!!!!! I love ur AxCx vid you put out
@@BOBBYOBVIOUS That video is gay
@@MadMike1 ik
I can alternate between Skinny Puppy and Billy Joel and not think twice about it. Listen to whatever you like!
Aw hell yea, new Killbot post!
Yay!
Iiiiiiiiim the man in the box…
@@Fuzzgeneral alice in chains goated 🔥🔥
@@FACEL1FT hell yeah
It's always a delightful sight.
Went to see Swans in my Foetus shirt, and Gira gave me a small, but affirming nod at me during the set.
I’m seeing them in two weeks!
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack after seeing Sleep, Boris, Luke AFB air show, Motörhead and Melvins on multiple occasions, Swans would have sonically overpowered them all. Bring headphones.
yep i completely agree with this, i wish more people realized not only in metal but in music in general that it's rarely the artists fault the fan base is bad, it's the fans that are a jerk when it comes to people who have different views and people who don't even listen to the band putting their say into something they don't even know about, great video btw and hopefully your feeling better!!
Indeed, tons of bad elements
1:58 I used to have a lot of thoughts like this when I was younger and first getting into metal. It definitely took me a while to come around on the fact that people can like what they like and don't have to make their music fit in with a certain group to be valid, so I'm glad you brought it up here to help others who are in that situation too.
Absolutely
The band not delivering what fans wanted legit happened to Mr. Bungle. I went to one of their reunion shows in Feb. of 2020. The band had been gone for nearly 20 year and people around the world flew to Los Angeles to see them. Mr. Bungle was pretty vocal before hand that they wouldn't perform ANYTHING that they were known for and will perform their thrash metal demo and covers. Despite that, fans and critics were still upset about the direction they took. Myself though, I was just happy to have seen them and they put on one hell of a fun show. Was always a dream of mine to see Mr. Bungle in any capacity. Plus, they were never known for to be people pleasers anyway so I didn't feel cheated with their performance.
Well said, this video sums up a lot of gripes I’ve had with the online metal community in particular. One of the funniest sentiments I see all the time from younger people especially is, “let people enjoy things”. How about don’t let people stop you from enjoying what you like?
Right??
You’re amazing. Thank you for existing
Gracias!
The worst part of this video is that there are people out there that need to hear these things. It just sort of bleeds in naturally from being ok with yourself.
Which is why I made it. Should’ve done it years ago
Very well-stated.
I'm a huge Kiss fan but I don't really "click" with the KISS ARMY. And sometimes when Paul and Gene declare what the official party line is, I'm sorta left just scratching my head.
I'll just quietly enjoy their body of work from 1973 to 1998 and be my geeky little self.
Iced Earth fans are going insane rn. The Glorious Burden left my collection for obvious reasons but, The Dark Saga lives.
Dark Saga was nice
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack All the Spawn love!
The glorious burden is awesome
Why did the Glorious Burden left your collection? I like some Iced Earth albums but I'm not a die hard fan, so, I'm probably missing something here.
@@HeathenDance It's just a record blowing off freedom and America. It's 1776 core, it's lame and wimpy. After the whole thing of Jon Schaffer at the Capitol Building, the Oath Keepers, and Sons of Liberty. It's not the vibe I need or even care for. Not a big fan of Tim Ripper Owens either.
I am personally extremely excited for seeing Incantation a 2nd time this year with Left To Die in August and Cannibal Corpse a 2nd time but with a first time seeing Immolation this October!
Even though some metal fan bases suck, very few actually do!
I'm so glad about that!
Metal is the best community ever
Fur sure!@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack
Can relate. Just not with musical fan bases. There's been a couple of groups that have seriously tainted things i loved with mean behavior.
Indeed
For sure
One of my best friends and I met in the cafeteria in college cos we were both wearing Type O shirts, and it's been like 30 years now,
And back in the day I enjoyed Pantera live quite a few times, but their fans scared the crap outta me.
respect to that little call-out, i love pentagram but bobby sucks.
As much as I love Be Forewarned, He’s a fuck up
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack Atleast Lee from cathedral or Wino from saint vitus aren’t doing lame stuff like that
Was he the one who was wasting away from addictions?
@@klintonantich7513 yup
great vid killbot 🤘
I absolutely love such videos where you discuss certain topics, you're awesome!!🤘
Thank you much!
I needed to hear this, thanks killbot 🖤
Absolutely!
One of the reasons Ween is my favorite band is how fucking chill their fanbase is (something about 40 year old stoners who worship a band that's most known for spongebob makes everyone act pretty chill).
Friend of mine designs their album packaging!
Now that's brown.
I hear ya on wearing other band shirts at other band concerts: in 2014, I wore my White Zombie shirt when I went to see Suffocation and Kataklysm; in 2015, I wore my OverKill shirt when I saw Nuclear Assault. And just last year, I wore my Malevolent Creation shirt when I went to see Dying Fetus. All in all, I treasure the metal bands I like and always will.
Got a ton of compliments on my Alien Sex Fiend shirt when I saw Skinny Puppy
Amazing video man, you really put so much effort into these videos thanks
Thank you!
one of the reasons why I don't hang out with metalheads that go to the same concerts as me is simply because are different outside of that world. I had metalhead friends in high school and they were scumbags
Thanks for another video, man! You rock and guide others in the metal ways!!
Gracias!!
Sick video as always🤘🏻
Gracias
Always love to see that bolt thrower in the background
I got my dad to start listening to atmospheric black metal because of aggaloch
This video was nice. These points brought up were simple to digest especially for younger audiences into the alternative scene. Great stuff man.🤘
Glad you liked it
Very well said! Thank you for this!
It’s always a great day when killbot posts 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Fuckin’ a!
Synth pop ministry is great.
Perceived universal consensus... dig that phrase! And I have seen/heard that behaviour, for sure. Of course it has been a while since I noticed that for music but it’s nice to re-pave the road here, since I had too much of that exposure with TV stuff, egad. The main trouble I have is when folks isolate the negative stuff about a favourite and never discuss anything but that buzz-thing, still find that bizarre and bleh. Ah, career-ending scandals, yep! There’s another good phrase! Just needed a dose of Killbot today, thank you! ^_^
Really enjoyed the samhain video and dark side of the spoon videos 👍
Gracias! Oldies and goodies
Very well summed up. Alot of thoughts i've had over the years presented smoothly. I also enjoy showing off different band shirts at shows, its a great way to strike up conversations and find artists!
Also, yess corpsegrinder!
Balls army!
I should’ve made this video years ago
man I'm glad to see your videos are still so great and enjoyable so many years later! I can remember finding your channel circa...2017 maybe? It was a couple years after I started listening to metal. It's nice to see you're still the same level headed dude all these years later. I've seen so many other channels turn sour, but yours is still great! Love from a fellow North Carolinian!
Thank you so much! It’s like black metal. You have to get past a lot of stuff to enjoy the music
Thank you for this - i agree .
Thank you for watching!
I recently subscribed to your channel. Great topic and attitude.
Thank you so much!
"Yes. We are all individuals."
this video is great i have been into extreme metal for 10 years now and i have seen more of these types of behavior in recent years for me it's really weird to see it thank you for taking about it grind on my guy 🤘🤙
Grind on!
Well said my man! Salute.
Thank you for watching!
what a great video!
Thank you so much
Right on bud!!!
Thank you for being completely honest. I feel this 100%
You bet!
When killbot posts a vid, you know the day is great🤘
Thank you!!
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack of course, you're freaking amazing
great video!
Thank you
Some really great points! Being a “metal” fan for 40+ years I’ve heard it all. You like what you like and that’s all that matters!
I spotted your Magnolia Thunderpussy sticker! That used to be one of favorite record stores in the 80s and 90s.
Headed to Mebane tomorrow to check out the new McKays!
I was there yesterday! Great store
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack
It is a great store! So much different than the last location. We were there almost 2 hours!
Love the video and totally agree with you 🤘🏼
Gracias!
I've made a lot of friends wearing my battle vests.
Yes!
Dude I have that exact shirt and I love it so much.
Great video. Totally spot on. I can’t believe this all needs to be spelled out because being an individual and an objective fan is common sense to me but at the same time I’m glad it’s being spelled out.
Thank you, I should’ve posted this years ago
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack It’s a breath of fresh air to hear all this. Sometimes all I ever see is other music fans losing their shit over what somebody else spends their time listening to, who cares!
Weeks ago, me and my brother in law saw Ghoul and Municipal Waste. He's not a metalhead at all so it was an interesting experience for him. Naturally, he was a little nervous about sticking out as a nonmetalhead. I told him, "Real metalheads don't care about what you listen to." Needless to say, he had a great time. Even went into the moshpit twice. I was so proud of him.
I agree with you 💯 my friend!!!🤘
I love your brain Killbot, please never stop being you. The scene needs more outward thinkers! I admit I’ve put some folks down in the past because I felt their attire was perverting the crust punk ethos into a trendy fashion. But for a moment I exited my Nihilist mindset to draw lines in the sand in a world where I disagree with lines. You hit every topic perfectly ! Love it
You saw Crypta live, very envious
As I grew up, I started swallowing so many music pills. I get it, people do need to hear this. I definitely had bad musical traits growing up, but it helped fine tune what I truly enjoy today. I once got into techno so that I can hook up with girls at the raves, just an example. Even with that experience, I now feel nostalgic and find myself listening to some songs during that phase of my life and actually enjoy it.
Sounds like it
yay new upload😍
Yes!
I totally understand the whole liking NIN issue.
Idk why industrial fans get so upset at NIN
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttackthat's because they're the polar opposite of the concept of industrial music. Should be called EBMetal! Haha
(Apr 7, 2024)
“The person could be an a-hole”1:00
“Is it ok to listen to this band”2:00
“Music about individualism but fans susceptible to groupthink”2:21
“U do not need anyones permission”
2:32
gwar fan3:02
cannibal corpse elitist3:55 4:09
separate art from artist5:36 5:47 6:50
The worst part of bands is the fans, a sad but true fact especially when it comes to a band like Metallica I personally love Load and Reload, they are my favourite Metallica albums but not a lot of people like them. People should be allowed to have opinions just as long as the don't be an arse about it. 🤘
Right
that ministry cd spread 🔥
Missing the last two and the many side projects. Trust me, I got some side projects >:)
I had a drinking issue for 4 years, went to shows and would act horribly. Im glad that man is gone.
Fuckin' A+, GREAT video, with great points made here!
Thanks, man!
Thanks for this. I was a goth club DJ for many years. I was there for the music - to share, explore and discover together. There was more than a handful who were there for 'the scene' or whatever you want to call it. I saw a lot of intolerance and close-mindedness when it came to music. I wish more people had the attitude you espouse here, that it's okay to just like what you like. You can be a fan of anything you want. Even if it might seem polar opposite to something else. One can enjoy Psalm 69, Go-Gos, Nirvana and Hawaiian music all at the same time. Also - nice copy of KMFDM Naive on Wax Trax.
Where were you based out of?
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack Portland, Oregon. I used to DJ a night called Hive. It's still an active event there, but I left in 2013.
I've always had the notion you can always listen to the most hardcore black metal music and still sing your heart over the steering wheel with A Thousand Miles. At the end of the day, life is too short to stick with only one genre.
Haha yes
Kilbot you seeing Iron Maiden in November in charlotte
Maybe, depends on what I have going on with other shows
This is a common problem with most online music communities. I don't know how many times I've been told I'm not a "real fan" since I don't like particular albums or have not liked concerts. In some ways, a real fan can be the most critical because who else is so familiar with an artist's work?
Yeah, “you’re not a real NIN fan if you don’t like the Pretty Hate Machine remaster” is what I heard in 2010
I love With Sympathy lol, I think this is a very good synth-pop album that has so much of a strong spots, judge me for it
This video is so true, metal fanbases sometimes is so try hard and over the wall, but we still love it
As soon as Al does his British accent, i laugh uncontrollably. In all seriousness, check out the demos in the Trax Box!
This topic is very interesting, it has also become the reason why social media sucks most of the time when someone says something unpopular about a popular band. As you mention about Nightwish, I love the three singers.
It's so boring the typical mockery towards fans of bands like KISS, Guns N' Roses, Metallica, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Offspring, Sum 41, Slipknot and even Amon Amarth or Cannibal Corpse, is so boring that many people question their musical tastes and even their intelligence for liking something popular, or with a certain theme.
It's a shame to see people in the Rock and Metal community questioning and seeking to condemn the musical tastes and opinions of others.
The important thing is that everyone focuses on their world, letting each person use their right to freedom of thought and expression.
Music will always be the most important thing, not the opinions and complaints of a small group on social networks, magazines, entertainment pages and some CZcamsrs who are toxic.
We have a lot of work to do against tha kind of behavior. Thanks for talk about this topics.
🤘💀
The NW singers are great in other projects, too
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack Yes, Floor with Ayreon, Annette with Alyson Avenue and Russell Allen. The same aplies to Anneke van Giersbergen after The Gathering.
@@ronnywilson2112 this, 100%. I'm into some industrial music but mostly goth. I'm also a huge fan of Linkin Park and I grew up with their music, among so many other more popular bands. In the industrial community, we get SO MUCH shit for liking Linkin Park. Uhhhh the band themselves are fans of industrial music. Chester himself was a massive fan and admitted trying to imitate the likes of Al and few others when he was learning to sing.
@@winternightmarecrochet I understand you, I was also part of the gothic and industrial subculture in the 90's, it was similar to today but with less information, I left all kinds of social groups related to Rock, Metal or Alternative music because they were toxic and closed-minded. that they have become, despite the decades, plus I'm already in my 40s and I know a lot about the history of both subcultures. I started in music with Rock from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's.
I had to live Grunge and the social circle I had were only Metalheads, so saying that I like Post Punk, New Wave or Synthpop was not and will never be understood by Metalheads, the same thing happens with Goths who criticize Punks and Metalheads, and Grunge. Many of these people do not understand why Goths dress the way they do, the makeup, the literature, the poetry.
I even like Jazz, R&B, Funk, Flamenco, Tango, and Latin music.
I also like Hip Hop but 80's and 90's, and I don't mind the stupid things that many Rappers do to get attention.
Over the years I stopped giving importance to what people say, and I learned to listen to music that fills me with joy, that helps me be happy.
That's why I stayed away from Black Metal, but I like Doom. It's just not taking things literally, but it seems that fanaticism blinds people not only in religion and politics, but also here in music. Let's just not be that stupid.
I always say it: Listen to your inner voice and no one else, follow your tastes, live for yourself not for others.
Beautifully said! I agree 100%
Nice a new video
Ah yeah
nightwish mentioned, love that! but you forgot Marko hahahaha, he's a cherry on the top in every song for sure!
Gonna be interesting to hear what the next album sounds like without him
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack ohh yeah... we'll see about that, i hope he makes more cool songs with Tarja tho! perfect duo
Lmao the "trend" of liking Corpsegrinder. He's only been lead singer since...1996
He’s also super liked by the fan base. If he wasn’t, they would’ve thrown his ass out
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack I think the 'trend' is actually hating on him. He has undeniably some of the best death metal vocals in the game. Even if you don't like Corpse you gotta admit he's got serious talent
That Carcass shirt rocks.
Thank you. I just wish it wasn’t so crackly after only one year of owning it
Exellent points made in the video. I really agree with the last portion of the discussion in regards to the people behind the music we love and it being okay to shit on the people if they deserve it (with ample evidence prooving it) and still enjoy the music. I have a few bands that i appreciate but wholly understand that the musicians behind the projects are pricks (burzum, mayhem, pantera, graves-era misfits to give some examples). I aint a bad person just because i enjoy the artistic craft of someone who is a prick. Many people who create art, espically those who cater to the more extreme avenues of their medium, have skeletons in their closet and opinions that may not allign with you in the best case scenario and thats okay. We're all human, and those subjectivities make us who we are.
Graves lost his damn mind. I grew up with Manson and watching people lose their minds over how they think he is is funny
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack I used to be into Manson back in Jr high, I still have appreciation for some of the tunes now but as I went into high school I realized how forced the whole shtick was for him felt to me. Then I found GWAR, and then I learned who the true rulers of music in the universe were. And then I learned about the film 'groupie' and all of the nasty shit that came of that and I kinda stopped for good.
It sucks about graves in my eyes cause I loved his vocals for the albums he was on. I loved how well they worked at improving the groundwork that Danzig had laid for misfits before and adding more harmony. But dude went off of his fucking rocker and I haven't been able to really openly enjoy that era since. I'm just happy that bands that were inspired by them seem, from what I have seen, to not be fucked up in the head like Graves.
I was reminded of how some people obsessively hate the Red Hot Chili Peppers, I like them, I think they're fun. That still doesn't stop some clowns from posting the same quotes by Kathleen Hannah, Nick Cave and Mike Patton about the RHCP. And the funniest thing is I also like those 3 artists and their bands.
Haha
I love Mike Patton and the rhcp
I love all types of metal and rock n roll. It rules 🤘
(Also, yeah. You are sooo right. People kept telling me to stop listening to Mötley Crüe cuz they’re all a bunch of terrible people, which they are, but their music is awesome)
How it going killbot rock on 🤘🤘🤘
Goin’ groovy, thank you!
I love AxCx, Modest Mouse, EYEHATEGOD and Elliott Smith. Like what ever you want.
Liking AxCx is gay :)
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack having a decent CZcams channel is gay.
liking what you like is important. if I decide to go from Duran Duran, to Poison Idea, to the Butthole Surfers, to Atheist on my playlist I'm damn well gonna. cool video. as for your Cannibal Corpse logo story- I wonder if those people even realize how expensive and rare good condition Barnes era merch (sometimes) is these days 😂😂😂😂
Right?! I do like the old logo better
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack
I think most of us do, I myself think it's cooler- my own dad had a Butchered at Birth all over print AND a Tomb of the Mutilated tee when both albums were new and wore them to literal shreds.. and he's just one guy, imagine how many others got shredded to death. hence the rarity of course. wish Chris would talk to CC JUST to reissue those shirts with the "right" logo so to speak. grind on brother, glad I rediscovered the channel. I remember when your Bathory vinyl video was still relatively new ✊️🤘
5:44 is fucking facts dude for real
Also, love NIN and TG both myself; this said, why did no one give Front 242, whose work I also love, the same flak?
I hope I can catch them on their final tour
cool words
Aw yeah
I think the unknown hinson is one of the funniest people in music but he’s also a crazy bastard
Night wish!!!!!
So true! Honestly, I took a good minute before I stopped giving people grief for liking valor kand’s version of Christian Death, even came to like the post-Rozz era myself. Mea culpa lol
I saw Valor’s CD and forgot I saw it. Did visit Rozz’s grave, though! See my video “Skinny Puppy’s Final Brap in Los Angeles” to see footage of that!
I just saw Breaking Benjamin for the first time. They were with Catch Your Breath a band that just started out in 2023. I never heard of them and the singers mic was a little too low and couldn’t hear him that good. When I got back home I looked them up and listen to three songs they played at the show. Now they’re my new three favourite songs
Cool
I love Catch Your Breath so much, I literally had to follow their channel after hearing a second song of theirs. ❤
I used to get shit when my mixtape included ratt, napalm death, black flag, motley Crue and slayer (even mc5 followed by cannibal corpse).
I don't care for the people who go to these shows and spend their entire time socializing and drinking and not actually watching the bands. I don't get why they even came out. Probably more into socializing than the music. I dunno. Always irks me
If i pay $40 to see a band, you’re goddamn right I’ll watch the band!
Our fellow metal dude has returned! Only fan bases can ruin our mood. >>tool fan base
Burzum and Pantera fan base
I play guitar in a thrash metal band. I get a variety of looks when people find out that I came from a pop punk background lol. There was this one time when I got asked "if I all but one guitar player in the world disappeared, who would you want to remain", to which I replied "Billie Joe Armstrong" while wearing a Megadeth shirt and holding an Alexi Laiho guitar. Good music is good music, and it is okay to disagree.
Saw American Idiot when it came to Broadway. BJA wasn’t playing St Jimmy by the time I saw it, but it was cool
I like some things, I'll dunk on shit I hate, simple as tbh. Although, on the moral boundary thing, I think actively supporting bands like Escuela Grind who actively steal from other bands and use being queer as a shield for criticism is a bad thing.
Plagiarism sucks no matter who you get in bed with
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack Nor plagiarism, literally thieving merch money and drugs, not paying bands for performances, Theyve burned bridges with most local grind scenes across the US. I learned most of this from some friends of Deterioration
Killbot should grow a beard
I think facial hair on me looks odd
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack that's the point
Killbeard
@@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245 YEAH!
I like plenty of artists who have done terrible things, but if I learn of an artist who has done something bad before I check out their music, I will be less likely to give it a spin. It's hypocritical, I know, especially since I don't always apply it 100%. I knew all about the infamous Varg long before I got into Burzum.
Some stuff you just have to get past to like the music
Anthony speaks the truth!
My name is Tony
"A lot of people get attracted to group think." Sadly, it's a human biological imperative, as a social species. Real individualism is very rare. A trait of existential superiority. Here's a funny example: 20 years ago, I was in a Metal Club, with some friends. And suddenly, a friend of mine goes to the "dance pit", to headbang to a particular song that started to play. Suddenly, the opera-like female voice of Tarja kicks in. It was Nightwish. My friend returns to the bar, embarassed:
"Damn'... I thought it was Children of Bodom..." LOL.
It is definitely a biological thing.. love me some Tarja. That new song she did with Marko for his solo album is cool. Reminds me of Dio!
this guys never done a drug in his life
I think he has made a point of it in the past
I’ve smoked ganja a few times, that’s it though.
I've been a metalhead for almost 40 years. For once obnoxious gatekeepers like me are bored because normies can't stand modern rock and metal so there is nobody trying to get through the gate 😂.
Haha right on man