Original Timberline sharpener vs knockoff sharpeners
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2022
- I tried to pinch a penny and get these knockoff sharpeners on eBay and Amazon. I thought they would be halfway close to the original. Not so much. After seeing these in person I realized they were not what I was looking for so I called Timberline directly. After a short conversation with the sales representative I purchased the real Timberline sharpener from them and it arrived in the mail in just a few days. #timberlinesharpener #chainsaw #timberline
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I just bought the middle one, the Amazon knock off one, the picture did show timberline, but was not timberline, it came with like 6 extra bites, I read some where that the bits was promised to get like 90 sharpening out of, so, I got it, put it all together, went thru 4 bites sharpening (1) 20” chain, the handle it came with was my biggest compliant, it was pressed onto a aluminum handle, after the 2 or 3rd tooth, I’d hafta stop, take a small tack hammer to tap the pressed aluminum handle back together, the single claw the creator spoke of, would not hold up against the tooth without slipping off, I did end up changing my physics grip onto the tool, holding the claw behind the tooth with my thumb, after getting the (1) chain done, one of the 2 guide holes you place the handle into, had literally walerd itself out, apparently, the guide tube is also made out of a soft aluminum, in short, it is a fantastic idea, small and compact to carry into the woods, and give a great quick sharpening to your chains, but please, spend extra money on Timberline and NOT the 2 knock off brands, I am NOT sponsored by anyone nor have any affiliants with any co, I’m just an old mountain man who enjoys cutting his own firewood, I’ve done it all my life, if you don’t want to spend $300 for electric sharpener, than the Timberline is a good tool, but NOT THE KNOCKOFF, I wasted $45+ bucks! Good video Mr, I totally agree with you information!
@Edd Deaton WOW! Thanks for the great information. Your experience is very valuable to the community. Happy sawing! ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm My neighbor found out the hard way what CHINAMAN JUNK really is, PERIOD !!!!
Files are literally free almost. Hand sharpen with a file (if you know what your doing) and stump vise is cheapest best bet.
So many words but no actual information why knock offs do not work.
I got the Amazon knockoff and I have no complaints work great
@Johnathan Boyd that is cool. So did it come with the carbide burr or the grit covered metal? ~Mr. C.
He never said the larger one wouldn’t but did point out how it was inferior. I don’t think the quality of the knock-off’s “carbide” was discussed in the video, unfortunately, which is a frequent big difference based on Amazon reviews. I’ve never seen a knock-off anything that didn’t cut a lot of corners, especially when the price is half (or less!) of the original. Knock-off Viking Arm jacks come to mind.
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knockoffs use a powered diamond coated rod whereas the Timberline uses Solid Carbide sharpening rod. Power won't last 4 sharpening and will wear off.
Thanks, I just about fell for the knock off and decided to quickly look for an original. Just bought one through your link.
@ThisTall that's cool. I think you will like it. Thanks for sharing. ~Mr. C.
Thanks for the video. You just showed me I have to a little bit more research. Thanks.
@1939johndeere not a problem. Glad to help! ~Mr. C.
I used the real Timberline yesterday for the first time. Sure makes it easy. The carbide cutter is definitely high quality. Thanks for your videos on the sharpener.
@Eric Rides Single Track you are very welcome. I am so glad you like it. I will have more content on the original Timberline and the knock offs soon. Thanks for watching! ~Mr. C.
Yes!!!! Real Solid carbide whereas the knockoffs use cheap Chinese powered diamond which won't last through 4 sharpenings.
Thank you for doing this comparison........just what I suspected.......Timberline has REAL SOLID Carbide cutters whereas the knockoffs have sharpening rods coated with cheap powered diamond which wears off really quick. Adjustments on the Timberline are solid and made to grip whereas the knockoffs once again are made for a little kid to use. Excellent Review and will save people a lot of $$$$$$ making the proper decision on a sharpener.
@rroe5718 well put. I just used the Timberline the other day. Quality as always. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! ~Mr. C.
I found this out also by ordering timberline from Amazon.
Mine had the timberline emblem where the center black chain stabilizing knob should have been.
Mine would not allow the chain to be moved after mounting on the bar and had no arms that drop down to hold the link.
I returned to Amazon and left a truthful bad review, but got an email from Amazon that said they would not show my review.
Thanks for the video, wish I'd seen it sooner.
@user-dk9fh5ry1w crazy how brazen the cloners have become. Complete with a logo... That's a bummer you didn't know sooner. I wonder why Amazon decided not to use your review. Hmmm. Thanks for sharing your experience and watching. It means a lot to me. ~Mr. C.
Thanks for this video saved me time money and frustration. I’ve looked at these on amazon but seen the revised said they did not work and was disappointed. I guess I will get the original from timberline website. I just need one to keep on my bag on the jobsite to touch up the chain vs changing the chain out. Thanks for the post
@st7650 you are very welcome. I am glad you found the video helpful. I just used mine the other day. Still going strong. A quick suggestion. Don't take a heavy cut with it. I have worn out the original aluminum guides and chipped a couple of burrs. The brass insert guides are very nice. Thanks for watching and sharing! ~Mr. C.
I bought the knock off accidently
it works, but it's faster to just hand file it
I can't imagine where the timberline would be anymore efficient
@Eager lawncare that is an interesting take. I understand where you are coming from. My thought process is less of an efficiency concern and more of a accuracy concern. Thank you for watching and commenting. ~Mr. C.
Not many people can hand sharpen accurately and will end up with a chain that does not cut straight. This would ensure that all the teeth are cut the same length and the same sharpness.
You think it would be much quicker just using it with a low speed drill instead of the hand crank?
@@ThisTall I use one. Had it since they introduced it. You'd WAY overcut your teeth. Part of the whole point is chain preservation, at least to me. 2-4 spins and we're done. Like brand new. And VERY little tooth loss. The thing's like magic. Seriously.
Thanks for the videos on this sharpener. I was wondering the same thing about the knock-off sharpeners. I will follow your lead and go with the timberline. I was wondering if you think you could chuck the carbide cutter up in a cordless dremel tool and use that to sharpen instead of the provided handle? As long as you control the depth to a consistent position it sees like this should work?
@Sean Conroy I think you will like the Timberline. I would love to hear how it goes if you try the tool on the carbide. I mainly use the sharpener in the field and don't want to carry extra things with me. If it works it might make it super nice to use on the bench. Thanks for the idea, I might try it myself. ~Mr. C.
Thanks going to get the right one
@Ed S excellent! I think you will like it. Please let me know how it works for you. ~Mr. C.
I have an old Arnold rotary tool that is fifty sixty years old and works perfect. I am still using the original carbide burrs. For some reason the old original burrs just keep on cutting. I must of sharpened my saws a 100 plus times, easy. That is why I paid extra for an new old tool which I was real lucky to find at a swap meet. Arnold made a lot of great tools that few people even know about. That is my two cents. I do believe the timberline made in the USA will work great also. I personally know a few woodsman who have them and are really happy with the unit.
Also, I still sometimes just use the round files. Which have recently been on the soft side compared to the old files which are rock hard side. Nice video too. vf
@Victory First that is a really cool story. Great find! I had never heard of Arnold or that there was another sharpener like the Timberline before they started production. Thank you for sharing the information. ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm They were sold in the 1970s plus or minus. I do remember they were expensive for the time pricewise. I do know you get what you pay for most of the time.
Thanks for putting this comparison together. Always remember that you will not be able to hold anyone accountable for a crap Chinese product, Amazon will take something back that is garbage and keep selling garbage. When you deal with the recognized creator of the product, they are going to be responsible for the product and will take care of any issues you may have because their reputation is on the line.
@Carpenter well put! I have experienced excellent customer service from Timberline. They stand behind their product before and after the purchase. I have called with random questions and always get an actual person on the line ready and willing to help. Thanks for watching and commenting! ~Mr. C.
Thanks for the review. Watched it just in time to prevent an error.
I didn't know about the original Timberline sharpener and ordered one that looked the same via a major discount store.
Soon after watching the video, I cancelled the order and ordered the Timberline (backordered).
Thank you very much!
@Russell Aradine glad to help. I was hoping to show with the video that the ads on the various knockoff outlets don't always provide the complete truth. Thanks for watching and letting me know! ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm Received an email back from the OEM stating they are waiting for the sharpening bits to arrive in the next week or two.
Thank you for posting this. Like others I was looking at the version on Amazon and almost went with one. You opened my eyes and I will definitely be purchasing the Timberline.
@Michael Kay glad to help! The goal was to help others see that what is pictured in advertising is not always what you get. Thanks for watching! ~Mr. C.
Me ferrei com um desses da Amazon.
POde me passar o Link para comprar o original por favor.
Thanks for sharing this video. I bought the dolls house knock off last week, I wish I had seen this video first. Ebay refused to refund me. ( so much for the famous Ebay Money back guarantee) I have noticed that over the last few years, chinese knock off's have gradually declined in quality, and now they are openly manufacturing rubbish that they know won't work. I recently bought a twin cylinder tyre pump for my car. I thought it would be a lot faster at pumping than the single cylinder one that I had. I had a problem with it, so I took off the cylinder cover, only to find that the second cylinder was not there. They had deliberately manufactured a twin cylinder cover to fool people into thinking that they were buying a twin cylinder pump. That is deliberate fraud, and will eventually stop most people buying chinese in the future. Very shorted sited of them I think. They had a great market and they have thrown it away for no real reason other than petty greed. I would have liked to buy the Timberland sharpener, but I can't get one in the UK, and to buy from US is out of the question with the unbelievable postage costs. Paul UK.
@shed.projects greetings! That is a bummer you could not receive a refund or cancel the order. I agree. The market would keep supporting the off brand items if they work but nowadays you need to be very careful. I understand about the postage, I don't even want to know what it would be. Thank you so much for sharing your experience. ~Mr. C.
Why did you not actually try the 'knockoff' with its diamond grit tools to see how it compares to the Timberline carbide burrs? Maybe they work equally well? Maybe they dont? We will never know now! Not much of a review. In my mind, a sloppy mechanism that still gets the job done still has some merit and is worth considering, for the right price point.
@Ben S you have valid points. I will see if I can get another video together of me trying the knockoffs. Thanks for watching and commenting. ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm I look forward to your review!
They dont work
@@brianorange3941 would be nice to see both reviewed side by side, versus just taking someone's word. I think that is generally the idea of a comparison test. I hope he tests and reviews the knockoffs.
How long to Timber line sharpeners bits last how many chains are u able to sharp out
I ask because regular sharpner which u use with hand cost like 2.5$ and it last for one chain
So I am trying to find out if I will be paying for 1 sharpener bit $20(28 with shipping) do they last few chains at least?
Thanks
@MrAxeTv you ask a very good question. I can sharpen at least 10 times with one carbide burr. I would say I can easily get 20 times or more out of one burr if you go easy on it and don't damage the burr by trying to take too much off or jamming it in there. Thanks for asking such a great question! ~Mr. C.
Fantastic review of one of the two sharpeners.
I like this one. Therefore, I will not try the other one. What the heck?
@DaveM2 I tried the knockoff one later. Check out the link below. Thanks for watching and commenting! ~Mr. C.
czcams.com/video/3kLNSc8d05Q/video.html
Man, I just ordered the "El Chipo" version after watching your clip BEFORE watching this video
and no, it's not going to kill me but yes, I really wish to have seen your 2nd clip first - take care!
@johnlong384 bummer. Check out this video czcams.com/video/3kLNSc8d05Q/video.html . I actually test the knockoff and show a closeup of the teeth. It works slightly but by no means 100%. Thanks for watching and sharing! ~Mr. C.
So why shouldn't we again? I must have missed that part. I was gifted the Amazon one and have used it with no issues so far.
@dwayne metts I may not have been clear on the intent of the video. I was just trying to let everyone know that the ads on various websites show Timberline products but when you receive them the are knockoffs and the parts do not interchange with the name brand. I am delighted you enjoy yours. Iam going to make another video of me trying the knockoffs. ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm **I have found no site on Amazon claiming to be Timberline. Yes, the Chinese have had a habit of using original product art for as long as I remember but what I see on Amazon is the Chinese product with a stenciled tree line(forest) added.
Whether Timberline or a Knock-off, it is best to have a reversible adjustment carriage. Cut one side then reverse the carriage and tool to complete the opposite side. This keeps the tool pushing the tooth against the cutter and cutter rotation consistent against each tooth.
It looks like the small one is for the 4" chainsaw. So it's not made to fit the larger chainsaws. Can the larger one be used to sharpen the 4" chainsaw blades????
@Sandy M interesting observation. I don't have a 4" saw so I can't test the theory. Maybe another viewer has some insight. Thanks for watching and commenting. ~Mr. C.
Will the Timberline sharpening bit and handle fit into the full size knockoff?
@ImHibby I checked it out. Yes it does fit but the carbide bur does not extend as far as it does in the timberline bushing. The bur is also sloppy and floppy in the steel bushing in the knockoff. Trying to use it in this configuration is a good idea for a video. Thanks! ~Mr. C.
Thanks this was helpful I ordered the knockoff not knowing of the timber line brand.. after about 2 hours trying to figure this one out it did not work, Then I ran across your video.. I’m calling for a refund..
@ken vasquez glad it was helpful. I still really like the sharpener. ~Mr. C.
The mini is for exactly whats its for its for stihl mini bars in case you didn't know
@903TreeGenie thanks for the info. If I ever come across a mini bar I will try the mini sharpener. ~Mr. C.
have the middle one from China and it works just fine. Replacement cutters will be a potential problem but for what this one costs vers.. the Timberline one. Well, I will buy a second complete one and still have not spent the price of the Timberline one. Even a third and fourth one and then I might have spent the same as one of the Timberline tools. Just like tires, you can buy the very best or buy a less expensive set 2 or 3 times ans still have the same money in them and have new ones every so often and spend the same money...
@David Curtis that is great they are working out for you. Interesting analogy. Thanks for sharing. I would love to hear how they hold up in the long run. ~Mr. C.
David. I totally agree. This video must be supported by Timberline. Cost comparison was totally omitted in the video.
@Albert Grant I assure you I am not sponsored or supported by Timberline. I purchased the sharpener with my own money. Thanks for watching. ~Mr. C.
i ordered 2 chain saw charpners from ebay 2 for 17.90 with taxs with free shiping
@Joe H that's great! I would love to hear how they work for you. ~Mr. C.
You saw wrangler star say he didn’t like the case… I bought the original carbides and fake unit. It’s perfect at a fraction of the cost. I don’t care about the case…
@jeremyfortune7274 you might be right. Thanks for jogging my memory. That is cool you found a knockoff body and handle that takes the original carbide burr. Would you mind sending me a link to it? I would love to check it out. Thanks for watching and sharing. ~Mr. C.
Just got the Timberline it was more expensive, but I think worth the extra money quality is better. The bits are actual carbide. Looking at the Chinese knockoffs the bits look cheap.
@blastman8888 I think you will like it. You are absolutely correct. The whole Chinese sharpener is inferior. Thanks for watching and commenting! ~Mr. C.
i dont see the relevance of discussing the interchangeability of parts. It would be useful to see if the knockoff's work sharpening chains. In the UK the timberline is a whopping £160 and the chinese amazon knockoffs are £20. i'll suffer a lesser quality handle or no fabric case for 1/8 of the original price
@simon harper you bring up very valid points. Viewer Ben S shared the same sentiment. My response to his comment is that I will make another video of me using the knockoffs to sharpen some chain. I am grateful for comments like these. It gives me a bearing on the thoughts of viewers. Thank you for letting me know your thoughts. ~Mr. C.
Thx for reply Mr c. My comments read quite bluntly. Wasn't intended in that spirit.just an observation. Apologies.On a lighter note I watched another demovideo by a woodsman on the amazon knockoff last night and he really praised it for the quality of grind and value for money.each to their own I guess .
Me ferrei com um falcificado.
Como posso conseguir o Timberline original.
@Marques Hoel Gama Dos Santos sorry to hear you didn't get what you were thinking. I called Timberline directly to order mine. A real person answered the phone every time I called. I would suggest giving them a call to order yours. Thanks for watching! ~Mr. C.
timberlinesharpener.com/
208-405-2020
Thanks, I had just ordered one... cancelled order
@Rich Phelan good thing you could cancel. Did you order a Timberline? ~Mr. C.
Hate to be negative Nancy, but that didn't seem like a real review. Thanks for showing how the items compare (visually), but you never showed them being used and how they didn't work. For something that costs 1/3 the cost of original, I think no one would expect it to be the same. However, will it work? Just harder to find replacements parts? Or does it not sharpen a chain as it's desired purpose. All the comments seemed to only be cosmetic related.
@Jason Robinson I understand your comments and hear you. I am planning on a video showing an actual test between the two. Thank you for taking the time to politely and kindly express you thoughts. Viewers like you are the reason I do these videos. Stay tuned. ~Mr. C.
Would be good if it had something for the rakers also
@Brendon Frawley that is one drawback for this style. A simple flat file and raker gauge (link below) is all that is required for excellent results. Thank you for watching and commenting. It means so much to me and the channel. ~Mr. C.
Oregon Raker Gauge and file set: amzn.to/3BIXJ4L
Husqvarna Raker Gauge .325 (very nice) : amzn.to/3MMqK5R
Husqvarna Raker Gauge 3/8 (very nice) : amzn.to/43igR56
@@NaturesCadenceFarm just bought the Sthil 2 in one pretty happy with the results it’s a quick sharpening in the field and super easy to keep the right angle.
@Brendon Frawley sounds like a nice tool. I will try one out to see how I like it. Thanks for letting me know! ~Mr. C.
i see the other spin off brand from amaron/ebay. Ill stay with my timberline sharpener, bought mine in 2016
@don hank thanks for watching and letting us know. ~Mr. C.
The knock offs were around $40. Did I miss it?
How much is the timberline? You know the old saying, “you get what you pay for”
@Enchanted mountain the timberline with shipping is around $120 to $130 if I remember correctly. Someone chime in if I am off. Correct. You get what you pay for. I will say the price is higher up front but you get excellent customer service on the back end. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. ~Mr. C.
Your review would be more complete if you actually used the larger off-brand sharpener. It's the results that matter. You also didn't mention where the Timberline was made. My guess? China.
@lotuscarguy I agree, I should have tested the knockoff out. I am in the process of making a video where I test the knockoff. Stay tuned... I will call and ask to see where they are made. ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm Excellent! I'll look forward to your video. Maybe you could sharpen one chain with the Timberline and one with the other brand and see how fast you can cut the same log. In any case, actually using the off brand to sharpen a chain will make for a better comparison. Thanks!
So, one thing he didn't mention is that the timberline has a lifetime warranty on everything except the sharpening bits.
I just bought the timberline. That was reason number 1. Reason number 2. It's an American company. This product was designed in America by Americans. Those other sharpening things were manufactured in China after China stole this American company's design. It's called intellectual theft. Amazon and eBay are facilitating the theft of an american designed device. Which is illegal, by the way. I'll say this, which will probably not set well with some. If you buy this Chinese crap, and that's just what it is, you're part of the problem.
Me. I'll spend the extra money to support American made products by an American company. Instead of buying cheap Chinese knock offs.
@Overwatch thank you for the comment. That is some good information! I appreciate your insight. ~Mr. C.
I don’t believe you gave us the price of the Timberline..why
@Gordie Sullivan you are correct. Currently the price is $125.95 USD. In the volatile market we live in who knows what the price will be in the future. The website is in the description of the video and it is also provided below for easy reference. Thank you for watching and commenting! It really means a lot to me when viewers interact. ~Mr. C.
timberlinesharpener.com/
Have you checked the prices on the Timberline? I didn't hear the Timberline cost and after checking online prices I understand why. Price comparison I don't think Timberline is that much better and other videos support it. The Timberline is highly overpriced!!
@Albert Grant I understand your concern about the price. I was hesitant also when I saw the price. It took some convincing to get Mrs. C. to agree. I am glad I did. I am going to make a video soon actually testing the knockoff sharpener. Stay tuned. ~Mr. C.
heck with the chi com rip offs
@DeVries Custom Leather some commenters have asked me to try the knockoffs to sharpen chain. Keep an eye out for the video if interested. Thanks for watching and commenting. ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm Right It wasn't a knock on you or what you are doing, I'm glad you are exposing junk, Just a general disdain for alot of china junk. keep up the good work!
Review like buying a car, kick the tires decided you didn't like and not even driving it. I could care less what a chain sharpener looks like, I won't to know how it's works. Could a two piece stop be that much better?
@DontNo4Sure I have received some feedback from viewers like yourself. They share the same sentiment. I plan on rectifying the lack of testing soon by actually using the knockoffs and making a video about them. Thanks for watching and commenting even though the content did not provide the information you sought. I feel certain the one piece stop would interfere with short cutters. Lets find out when I actually test them. ~Mr. C.
The knock off is misaligned in the components of it's construction. It is what it is; it's a cheap knockoff.
@Ever Present thank you for your information. I know the community will find it helpful. ~Mr. C.
You fail to mention the brands of the imitations. Not all products are created equal and there are many alternatives to the Timberline. It is important to read the reviews on each product before you order.
@henryfredette6735 I looked at the boxes the imitations came in. No manufacturer on either. Good advice on reading the reviews. Thanks for watching and sharing. ~Mr. C.
Yes , but do they work? Come on mate , some information.
@Chas Leask good question. I have had so much feedback about not testing I am going to make a video very soon and actually test them out. Thank you so much for watching and letting me know what you are looking for. ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm Hi Buddy I just sent back a knock off copy . The tooth stay at the back would not engage with the tooth , and when tightened the chain fouled on the body of the device . You couldn't pull or push the chain to the next tooth . Hopeless . Having said that , the Timberline model is way too expensive . I can take my chain to be sharpened for £5 . Thanks for the reply .
@Chas Leask that sounds like a disaster. I have not had any issues with the timberline like that. I understand the price. I struggled with making a purchase like that but it does work well. If you have a shop nearby that sounds like a good deal to get them sharpened. Happy sawing! ~Mr. C.
Don't know if they have Lee Valley stores down in the states, but they carry the carbide bits, and the sharpener jigs as well..just some info 😉
Lee Valley charges $35 for their cutters. They are $20 on the timberline site.
@Smoothy38 thanks for the info. ~Mr. C.
@@seanconroy8754 true, but there's a Lee Valley in my area that I ordered from, ordered 1 day, 2 days later they were in my hands, whereas Timberline would have been a couple weeks plus shipping and duty
I didn't even try it, but it won't work. Thats some careful analysis.
@Daniel Moulton I know, very scientific. After some excellent feedback like your comment. I have decided to make a video of actually trying to use both of the knockoffs. Thanks for watching. ~Mr. C.
So tired of U.S. designers coming up with a great product only to see it copied and ripped off by unscrupulous overseas vendors. Most of the time, the ripoff/knockoff products are of poor quality, but even if that weren't the case, I refuse to support the theft of our intellectual property by people who don't have our best interests at heart.
@davidkahn8847 well put! Thank you for watching and commenting for all of us to enjoy. ~Mr. C.
indeed i bought one....its shit
@caster0007 thanks for sharing. Was it not sharpening correctly or flimsy and fell apart? ~Mr. C.
Hey can you tell me if these guys are still in business I've been calling them all week and all I get is an answering machine?
@tlpoutdoorsman as far as I know. Another commenter said he called them and ordered one but it was backordered. ~Mr. C.
@@NaturesCadenceFarm thank u