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  • čas přidán 6. 03. 2019
  • Large lead-acid batteries are used everywhere, and people who want more power, capacity and life are replacing them with Lithium batteries. This shows how to assemble a BatteryBlocs 30P4S battery
    made for LiFePo4 26650 cells.
    LINKS:
    BatteryBlocs Kit:
    www.batteryblocs.com/grocerie...
    Cells from Battery Hookup:
    batteryhookup.com/collections...
    Battery Box:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
    Recommended balancer:
    www.aliexpress.com/item/3A-Li...

Komentáře • 264

  • @wherami
    @wherami Před 2 lety +1

    when i see old useful videos like this I wonder now if they are still alive.

  • @nookiebrowne61
    @nookiebrowne61 Před 5 lety +10

    Delighted to see another one of your great battery videos.
    Your videos got me into building my an ebike as well as getting back in to electronics.
    Thanks Shawn

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      Hi Brian,
      You must be succesful if you are thanking me!

    • @nookiebrowne61
      @nookiebrowne61 Před 5 lety +1

      You helped me figure out what type of waterproof connectors to use and how to get a battery monitoring system up and running.
      It's definitely one of the best videos out there if you don't want to use a BMS.
      Looking forward to more of your videos.

  • @TCDIXON
    @TCDIXON Před 5 lety

    Glad to see you back :)

  • @cruxinterfaces
    @cruxinterfaces Před 4 lety +1

    Nice work, continue the great work, Thank you for the content

  • @myes344
    @myes344 Před 5 lety +1

    This is the best ive ever seen. Cant wait to get 1.

  • @dahamburglar
    @dahamburglar Před 5 lety

    Nice Kit!

  • @Notgraeber_pro_Archaelogie

    best individual diy pack i ve ever seen before 🙌💪👌 Gratulation for your excellent works 🎉 and thanks watching us 🙏🙏🙏

  • @Jehovahstool
    @Jehovahstool Před 3 lety

    Hey Shawn,
    I enjoy your videos and I am interested to know if you manufacturer your own cell holders and the other accessories that make up the holders you have on your site battery holders or do you source that out?

  • @tonirobledo1328
    @tonirobledo1328 Před 4 lety

    I have 2 pylontech batteries with damages bms. Do you think I could use your kit to use the cells?

  • @DIYwithBatteries
    @DIYwithBatteries Před 4 lety

    I love 18650's those are awesome 🤓✌.

  • @eagle5720
    @eagle5720 Před 4 lety

    Do you have any that can fit 120, 18650 cells at 12 volts?

  • @flojotube
    @flojotube Před 3 lety +20

    So you don’t actually TEACH how to DIY upgrade from LEAD ACID to LITHIUM.... you’re just showcasing your merch. got it.

  • @AllegedlyDave
    @AllegedlyDave Před 5 lety

    How would you go about charging something like this safely? I've seen your video showing your disdain for the BMS, would a hobby charger see this as a 4S pack?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +2

      I use four active balancers- They move power from the high parallel group to the low parallel group, balancing all the time. You would need four of them. I sell them for $17 each.
      But your question was about charging- Use any 16 volt power source.. A charger, a power supply, photocells, etc.

  • @szbalogh
    @szbalogh Před 5 lety

    Great video! What about good old LiPo cells? Considering to build a starter battery for my custom motorbike; i want to get rid of the common battery cube and make a small, flat and thin pack able to hide under the seat or tank.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +2

      Sure- those are easier to assemble- you don't need BatteryBlocs! You can solder the tabs together.

    • @fredkee9294
      @fredkee9294 Před 4 lety

      Look at the Higher Voltage channel for this exact application.

  • @eddiekytia
    @eddiekytia Před 3 lety

    Hey buddy! I just came across your channel and see your very educated on batteries so I'm hoping you can help me... on my bicycle I want to install 4 turn signals just as flashers not to run continuously as driving lights. So I know they are 12v but if I take say a milwaukee 12v battery to use... as it looses power I'm guessing the voltage drops and it will not run the 12v flashers as it goes below the 12v's.....correct? so what kind of small battery can I use that will last a 12 hour bike ride for 4 flashers. I guess they are around 10-20 watts each. I need a battery that is rechargeable and IM GUESSING it would have to be regulated to 12v even as it drains? Does this exist? And help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED

  • @aomanchutube
    @aomanchutube Před 2 lety

    Is this still working? Did you connect ground to -C or -P?

  • @Luscious3174
    @Luscious3174 Před 5 lety +1

    Hi Shawn. Are you still selling the bloc balancers? Can't seem to find them on your website any more :-(

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      Hi Lucious, No, because I am recomending active balancing. Look through the links in the intro.

  • @rayjohannsson6351
    @rayjohannsson6351 Před 3 lety

    Nice design with battery blocs

  • @bobbutter2768
    @bobbutter2768 Před 5 lety +1

    Good to see you coming up with new stuff, using the battery I turned on to, hehe, it is a great deal. and thank you for $5 off my purchace. One hand washes the other. Did you try cranking your car with it yet? How many amps you got all together from 120 cells? $300, hmm, about the price of a good lead acid battery. how would it compair? What about in the cold?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      Hi Bob,
      You know I drove all the way up to Battery Hookup when they were an alarm company- and bought 50 36 volt packs. But I had lost touch and am pleased to see how far they have come and how well they have adapted to the market. So thanks for the contact. The cells are 3200 mah and there is 30 in parallel for 96 amp hours.
      Each can dump 12 amps, so that would be 360 cranking amps or 4,300 watts- Enought to start 4 - 6 cylinder car.

    • @bobbutter2768
      @bobbutter2768 Před 5 lety

      @@shawname2 You been doing this for much longer then me, so can you shed a light on something for me plz. I been doing a lot of research and decided that the best lithium cell would be LTO. It works at really low temps, has 20K cycle life. High C rating in and out. But it seems like Chineese cornered the market on LTO cells. Yinlong makes 30/40/55 A/h cells. I am Russian, and according to russian forums, all the LTO cells we can buy from China are refurbershed. Like they took it off thier busses, put a new cover on and sell them as new. The resistance is all messed up. Some don't work at all. Whats going on? Why can't USA make some LTO cells? I know winston makes LTO batteries, but they are very expensive. Can you shed some light on this issue plz. Thank you Shawn

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      Have you read the wiki article Bob? It has a low energy density with a nominal voltage of just 2.4 volts. So it may not be used as much because of this- especially in transportation. It's main appeal is it's high cycle count. The fact that it can dump a lot of current is not that relevant if it is used in home storage... All the manufacturers of that chemsitry are listed in the wiki article. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 Před 4 lety

    hi i just had my electric front bike wheel repaired now tested as working but when connected to my controller and lcd display i get error 07 overvolts or 06 under volts.and no spin wheel .have 53 v 18650 battery samsung 25r and 36 volt 18650 battery from hoverboard .can i bypass lcd somehow

    • @paveljelinek772
      @paveljelinek772 Před 3 lety

      Go with 3batt-series strings (3*4.2V) and make as many parallels to that as you can.. have in mind that one 3batt string can pull 2-3A max (12.6V times 3A is 36W cca) so if your engine pulls 720 W lets say, you'll need 20 3batt-in-series strings so 60batt total. You'll end up with outstanding capacity but i would go with more strings since 3A load is still quite a lot for a 18650 and it's hard to sustain.. And if they're the cheaper ones, they can heat up alot and burn.. So always do at yr own risk..

  • @trollking202
    @trollking202 Před rokem +1

    The magnet 🧲 make the motor go faster 😮

  • @bobbutter2768
    @bobbutter2768 Před 5 lety +2

    Another question Shawn, how would car alternator charge it? stright trhough, or you would need like a hobby chrger to help it?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      You would need to charge it through a BMS or active balancer.

    • @tonysshadow
      @tonysshadow Před 5 lety +1

      That would actually be an interesting project. External automotive voltage regulator being basically the first generation "charge controller" and robust. Slamming high current they are capable of...off the top of my head being the biggest concern. Makes me wonder if any buck/boost converters and caps could tame it for charging.

    • @mwint1982
      @mwint1982 Před 4 lety +2

      Renogy has a nice 50A DC-DC charger and mppt

  • @rjmeck1
    @rjmeck1 Před 4 lety

    Is there a kit that would fit in a Group 34 battery box (LxWxH 260mmx 173 mm x 200 mm). My electric wheelchair fits 2 12 v Group 34 gell cells in series with a total of 60 Ah when new. I want to use LiFePO4 or TO batteries instead. Longer range and faster charging but the size is making me crazy. Ideas?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      This battery fits in this box: Could you work with that?
      www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0024E72GA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

  • @catfisha1257
    @catfisha1257 Před 2 lety

    I’m 2 years late but I like the shirt and the video. Mars is the hope of humility.

  • @xoio
    @xoio Před 3 lety

    What's the Ah of this battery, and what suitable BMS would be needed to manage/ charge it?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety +1

      The AH depends on the cells that you use- see BatteryHookup for cells. I would use an active balancing system on this.

  • @PastorJack1957
    @PastorJack1957 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm looking at alternatives to buying a $1200 lithium battery. I have a 300 watt solar array on my travel trailer. Did you do a follow up video that checked the capacities of the batteries, and since it went in a case did you mount a BMS inside? Lastly what is the differences between 18650 batteries and the ones you used? Thanks for adding to my knowledge base. Lithium is definitely a learning curve!

    • @KerryLynch-ku9lb
      @KerryLynch-ku9lb Před rokem +1

      18mm diameter =9 mm radius. pi r squared x height = volume of cylinder. 81 x65.0 mm = 251 cu mm volume vs 508 cubic mm volume of 26650 batteries in his build. MORE THAN TWICE the capacity of using 18650's

    • @PastorJack1957
      @PastorJack1957 Před rokem

      @Kerry Lynch I looked the 26650 batteries up on Amazon. My heavens! They are very expensive! Average of around $15 bucks each! Gonna have to do some serious math to get the best ROI.

  • @henrygiann9735
    @henrygiann9735 Před 2 lety

    Hi Shawn...
    Great video...
    Could you tell me that by using this battery pack, that your stock alternator in your vehicle will work accordingly the way it did charging your lead or agm batteries...

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 2 lety +1

      No, it would not work. An auto alternator puts out between 13 to 14.5 volts, but a 4S lithium coblat chemistry battery needs about 16 volts to charge. The battery was designed to be used in RV's or boats to replace the lead acid storage batteries.

    • @henrygiann9735
      @henrygiann9735 Před 2 lety

      Thankyou for your reply...
      Impressive unit none the less...

  • @lovetricia
    @lovetricia Před 2 lety

    Are you no longer selling these battery blocks? Or making new videos just discovered your channel and would really love to see more

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 2 lety

      Sorry Tricia, I am no longer making them.

  • @kurtlutt1
    @kurtlutt1 Před 5 lety +1

    Would you please make a video showing how to charge this battery, which charge controller to use and also how to install the balancer. Also would the individual cells need to be ballanced prior to assembly? Thanks

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      Hi Kurt, No, the cells do not need to be balanced before assembly if they are new. The battery can be balanced with a 4S BMS, a hobby charger, or an active balancer. If charged using a charge controller and a BMS, you can charge with a solar charge controller, a battery charger, an ebike charger, or a power supply. GO to my website, www.batteryblocs.com, I have a free book and my contact email address is there. The questions you raise are specific to your circumstances.

  • @whozaskin3639
    @whozaskin3639 Před 5 lety

    Automotive alternators charge at anything from 13 to 15 volts, with highly varying amperage. Does this kit compensate for this? What is the nominal constant output voltage?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      The nominal voltage of any 4s LiFepo4 chemistry battery is about 12.8. The maximum charge voltage should be limited to 14.4 volts. Besides this kit, you need the cells, a battery management system, and a voltage source that will not exceed 14.4 volts.

    • @myes344
      @myes344 Před 5 lety

      With this many batterys u might as well disable alternator and charge this at home once a year

  • @ericjackson7810
    @ericjackson7810 Před 5 lety

    How woukd these cells be balance charged? Im interested in this

    • @Sylvan_dB
      @Sylvan_dB Před 5 lety +1

      It's a 4S, right? So the balance charger needs 5 connections. The most negative is the assembly negative terminal, then the side below that, then the bottom, then the opposite side, then the positive terminal make up the 5 balance leads.

  • @pleasecho2
    @pleasecho2 Před 4 lety +1

    What about float charging used in lead aid systems ? That will ruin lithium cells. BMS? Balancing?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      True, you need to have a balancing system, that is a given. I use 4 active balancers on this battery.

    • @pleasecho2
      @pleasecho2 Před 4 lety

      @@shawname2 Can I ask you what kind you use? There's been a lot of discussion on how some Chinese BMS don't balance or flat out don't pass enough current because their specs are inflated

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      @@pleasecho2 I use these- and sell them with BatteryBlocs:
      www.aliexpress.com/item/1768384410.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dr5JKC0

  • @bestelectronicmusicfromnew5189

    hey cool, i was wondering about the voltage and the control board for that.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      You'd use active balancers, a BMS or a hobby charger. The voltage would be 12 volts like a lead acid battery.

    • @DiyAllaroundguy
      @DiyAllaroundguy Před 4 lety

      Thanks for the video brother it worked as described 👍 I got 1000 + 18650s coming and look forward to doing more business. Larry H.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      @@DiyAllaroundguy Hey good Larry. I see you ordered three times over the last few months, thank you. I was having a little trouble getting the usual filament colors, but think I have it sorted now. Cheers! Shawn

    • @Justaguy0420
      @Justaguy0420 Před 4 lety

      I see Larry has 18650s. Can either of you tell me what kit to buy to build a direct replacement battery that will fit In a flooded lead acid battery box? With 18650 cells?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      @@Justaguy0420 Will this one fit?
      batteryblocs.com/groceries/64p4s-18650-battery/

  • @krishnagupta9667
    @krishnagupta9667 Před 4 lety

    I had made a lithium ion battery pack rating 14.6v 30a with the bms (30a).can I charge it with a 14.6v 3a smps or i need a same rated lithium battery charger.please reply fast

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Yes. Better if the power supply is a CCCV, not a constant current or voltage. But the BMS will cut off the charger if a cell gets too high.

    • @krishnagupta9667
      @krishnagupta9667 Před 4 lety

      @@shawname2 can I use a common smps rated 14.6v 3a to charge the same

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      @@krishnagupta9667 Yes.

    • @krishnagupta9667
      @krishnagupta9667 Před 4 lety

      @@shawname2 thanks

  • @kurtlutt1
    @kurtlutt1 Před 5 lety

    can this battery be charged with a solar charge controller? Is charging it similar to an automotive battery by just hooking up negative and positive leads? Is there no need to monitor individual cells?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      It can be charged with the right voltage solar charge controller. Yes, you still need a way to monitor the four parallel groups, like the recommended balancer in the description.

    • @SaintTrinianz
      @SaintTrinianz Před 5 lety

      Shawn McCarty What is the right solar charge controller? I have a Solar Epic 40A MPPT

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      It seems your charger has a user setting and will work: Support 4 charging options: Sealed, Gel, Flooded and User. Still you should study the info here:
      www.powerstream.com/LLLF.htm
      Shawn

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 Před 3 lety

    Hi Shawn how’s things over there?been looking at lifepo4 12v build for my camper,think headway cells good make.any more you know of good quality .steve

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      Hi Steve,
      Yes, I like the simplicity of the build with Headway cells. I wish they were less expensive. Sometimes BatteryHookup has them. Good luck.
      Shawn

    • @stevemcgowan3017
      @stevemcgowan3017 Před 3 lety

      @@shawname2 OK THANKS .WILL CHECK ON THAT

  • @MikeJordanUnCamplicated

    I ordered several 10p blocks kits from you. The series connection plate holes do not line up at all. I have sent multiple emails with no response. Do you stand behind your products?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Yes, and I respond to every email. I'll contact you.

    • @MikeJordanUnCamplicated
      @MikeJordanUnCamplicated Před 4 lety

      For anyone reading, I got a phone cal within minutes of this post. looks like my emails were going to spam. Issues were addressed over the phone with no excuses. Fixes were promised to be shipped. I'll update when received

    • @MikeJordanUnCamplicated
      @MikeJordanUnCamplicated Před 4 lety

      I got the fixes in as promised. Everything fits and works as designed . Shawn definitely stands behind his product

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 Před 4 lety

    i have ordered controller an throttle from voilamart who make motor as never had this problem before with original supplies.the throttle had battery bars display and just went down as battery drained

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Hi Steve,
      I am not clear about what you are asking.. Can you clarify?

  • @ffces153
    @ffces153 Před 4 lety

    Have you done a CCA test on those cells? I'd be intrested in building one for my Dodge Durango.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety +2

      I'd recommend you stick with lead acid for cranking ICE engines, that is what they are really good at.

    • @ffces153
      @ffces153 Před 4 lety

      @@shawname2 thank you for your quick response time. 👍🏽

  • @daledres
    @daledres Před 5 lety

    Hello Shawn tried to order from your website but it is not working now 3-18-2019

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      Sorry Dale, Bluehost switched my server and my website has been down for two days. Believe me, I am working on it!

  • @zooguy1952
    @zooguy1952 Před 3 lety

    I'm curious how you attach a BMS to this, also what size would be needed. Too bad you quit selling your kids, it looked very well made and thought out.

  • @lhonnhitzstudio3544
    @lhonnhitzstudio3544 Před 3 lety

    Where to buy the materials

  • @bestvideos4ever1
    @bestvideos4ever1 Před 4 lety +4

    whats the weight of this battery total?

    • @michaeldemarillac9992
      @michaeldemarillac9992 Před 4 lety

      Each cell is 70 grams x 120 of them = 8,400 grams or 18.5 lbs. A store bought 12v 100 amp lithium battery is around 9.5 kg or 21 lbs. A store bought lithium battery weighs approx one third of a conventional lead acid battery.

  • @raedy07
    @raedy07 Před 3 lety

    great vid, thanx; so you actually use magnets to connect d cells (6:20) - no problem, cells won't get damaged?? how come, the negatively charged electrones won't be pulled to the positive cell-pole? Or d +electrtic charge has nothing to do with d +magnetic charge?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety +1

      Magnetic contact switches are pretty common. Small step to use magnets to create button tabs on cylindrical cells. Neither the polarity or the electromagnetism affects the battery in any noticeable way. I can't tell you why not, or why it would, I don't know.

    • @raedy07
      @raedy07 Před 3 lety

      @@shawname2 good news! in d meantime my mags arrived, ferrite. what a surprise - they are non-conductive :((( didn't occur to me, i thought 'contain iron, will conduct'. so what type are yours?

  • @freakygardener8033
    @freakygardener8033 Před 4 lety +3

    What is the expense of this setup? Also, what about 18650's?

    • @opticledilusi0n
      @opticledilusi0n Před 4 lety

      450$+. 18650 would not get you to the 12.xx volts

    • @RudyBerry76
      @RudyBerry76 Před 4 lety

      @@opticledilusi0n per 12v setup?

    • @opticledilusi0n
      @opticledilusi0n Před 4 lety

      @@RudyBerry76 yea looks to be if you follow the links

  • @Sylvan_dB
    @Sylvan_dB Před 5 lety +7

    Very clever! But I'm rather hesitant, wondering about neodymium magnets and steel... Have you ever considered making a version with copper sheet and copper buttons and just the mechanical clamping holding them all together?
    And I already have a bunch of 32700 cells :(

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +3

      Don't blame you, it has taken a lot of testing. Remember the steel is zinc plated and zinc conducts as well as nickel. And, the steel is massive. A lot of spot welded batteries are made of nickel plated steel. I did do some very high current tests, they are on my channel.
      I have looked into using copper, but cost and oxidation were deal breakers.

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 Před 4 lety

    Never had this over voltage or under volts problem with original controller as no lcd just battery bar display on throttle

  • @eagle5720
    @eagle5720 Před 4 lety

    Can any other cell fit into this connection casing?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      YEs, there is a similar case for 18650 cells.
      www.batteryblocs.com

    • @eagle5720
      @eagle5720 Před 4 lety

      @@shawname2 how much of those cells could go for a 400 ah pack @ 12 volt?

  • @johntatman1436
    @johntatman1436 Před 4 lety +1

    How much does the assembled battery weigh?

    • @KerryLynch-ku9lb
      @KerryLynch-ku9lb Před rokem

      120 cells x 92 grams per cell = about 11 kg for batteries plus 1 kilo of magnets/strips/bolts/nuts = 12 kilograms (25 lbs)

  • @kwadlife4106
    @kwadlife4106 Před 3 lety

    If I get good quality 18650 cells could I make a snowmobile batterie? I would need it to hold up in cold weather.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      While lithium-ion batteries handle cold weather better than most battery chemistries, temperatures too high or too low still compromise their ability to store and release energy. ... Put simply, cold weather will decrease the lifespan of your battery because it will require charging more often.

  • @herenow2895
    @herenow2895 Před 3 lety

    What about the BMS ?

  • @joesam8113
    @joesam8113 Před 4 lety

    I want to know is acid battery replacement of lithium battery , near to engine does lithium battery has effect with engine heat.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety +1

      I would not use a lithium battery under the hood. This battery is intended to replace golf cart and trolling motor batteries- where a space needs to be filled with a longer lasting battery that is the size of a lead acid battery.
      Lead Acid batteries are great for starting cars!

    • @exgenica
      @exgenica Před 4 lety

      I think you could add a trailer-style or self-contained RV to the list of vehicles in which these would be useful. The normal Pb 12V deep-cycle battery bank is very cumbersome. Usually they are installed behind an exterior panel in the side of trailer, sometimes you find them under seats as well.
      When using this lithium pack I'd probably consider using a sine-wave 1800W inverter to supply 110VAC to "standard" lithium battery charger(s) for these battery packs. While charging the lithium packs, the inverter would be powered by the truck's 12V system (or solar system) while driving, then switch to campsite power for charging when parked. I also have a multi-panel high-power solar array on the roof for remote location 12VDC and 110VAC power (via the inverter). The power system I've setup is pretty flexible, and lithium packs would improve things.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety +1

      Yes, that is exactly the type of application I designed this for- so it would fit well in spaces that used to hold 12 volt lead acid batteries.

    • @brokerhc
      @brokerhc Před 3 lety

      @@shawname2 How many of these packs would I need for a Camper Van . I do not understand much about amps but people talk about 300 to 400 amps with equivalent solar panels to charge them If That is correct, then I would need 3 battery packs at about $450 ea. with the corresponding balancing units? Should that be enough to run a 12V fridge, LED lights, couple og roof fans and a laptop? For how many hours?

  • @sammccullough90
    @sammccullough90 Před 5 lety

    Hi mate, the Battery bloc website is down again. Any time frame of when it will be back up?

  • @tonysshadow
    @tonysshadow Před 3 lety

    Thanks for your videos...especially the anti-BMS videos. Not enough of them.
    I have aquestion concerning you cross country bike a few years back on your website. It appears you built batteries laying down flat rather than, up on end.....nstalled on your Yuba like running boards. Im trying to do the same on my Radwagon.
    How did you make the connections between the cells?? Did they hold up with stresses?
    Appreciate your efforts.

  • @karljay7473
    @karljay7473 Před 3 lety

    That's some 120 cells at about $3~5 each? So $360+ vs $95 car battery. IDK if this would be a good starter battery or if large caps can make it a good automotive starter battery, but it would be interesting to see if it holds up.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      Use a Lead Acid battery for starting a car. Use lithium for powering trolling motors, electric wheelchairs, --places that need a long lasting battery that will fit in a 12 volt battery space.

  • @semidemiurge
    @semidemiurge Před 5 lety

    What is the resistance of the magnets? I assume they are the ones with an extremely thin coat of nickel plating. Has anyone done any testing of their resistance at rated current?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      My Klein does not detect any. I invite you to get a few and see for yourself. They are really useful for quickly attaching temporary leads to batteries.

    • @mr.e695
      @mr.e695 Před 4 lety

      @@shawname2 and they make little DC motors run like a 🦇😈🔥
      🤭
      DO you get the amps out of this like a lead acid?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      @@mr.e695 Yes, they make little DC motors very happy! No, they don't have the cranking amps of a lead acid. They are best used for electric wheelchairs, trolling motors, etc.

  • @szakbak
    @szakbak Před 5 lety

    does this method require a bms?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      All lithium batteries should be used with a balancing system. I use and prefer active balancing on larger packs like this. My website www.batteryblocs.com has more info under the power wall section.

  • @Jokker868
    @Jokker868 Před 5 lety

    I have 123-26650 I want to make a battery like the one with a 120 batterys what is the s and p on it and what BMS should I get please and thank you

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      S an P? DO you mean P and N? The positive and negative terminals are on the top like a conventional battery. I recomend active balancers- Four are needed for this battery.

    • @Jokker868
      @Jokker868 Před 5 lety

      Thanks for getting back to me Shawn meant series and parallel I'm totally new to this and got a bunch of the 123 26650 and your case,s look awesome but I don't see how you got to 12vot . I want to make it for my van for off grid camping . I will keep watching you videos are great thanks again for your help

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +2

      @@Jokker868 Mark, go to www.batteryblocs.com and download my free ebook on battery building. It will explain series and parallel. I got to 12 volt by using 4 parallel groups.

    • @Jokker868
      @Jokker868 Před 5 lety

      Thank you very much I will do that

    • @Jokker868
      @Jokker868 Před 5 lety

      Hi Shawn I I have tried to order your book and the blocks from your site but I live in Canada and it Will not let me change the country do you know another site I can order from? Thanks

  • @guiterman6263
    @guiterman6263 Před 3 lety

    Do you really need 120 cells man i didn't think it would take that meany good job

  • @ohiohamguy
    @ohiohamguy Před 4 lety

    Do you make a kit for 18650 batteries?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety +1

      Yes, many. www.batteryblocs.com

  • @mylo312
    @mylo312 Před 4 lety

    How many amp hours is the battery how many amps per cell?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Here is a link to the product page with more info:
      batteryblocs.com/groceries/big-battery-30p4s-26650-12-volts/

  • @richardvinluan5848
    @richardvinluan5848 Před rokem

    DO YOU STILL SELL OR KNOW ANYONE THAT SELLS THE BATTERY KIT

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 Před 4 lety

    The motor not spinning a guy repaired sensors inside motor for me and says it’s fixed now I chatted to him on what’s app he thinks it’s lcd problem

  • @MrBrymstond
    @MrBrymstond Před 5 lety

    Sweet little kit right there....Do you bulk charge this or single charge, BMS with balancing?

    • @MrBrymstond
      @MrBrymstond Před 5 lety

      Hobby charger with balancing?

    • @patrickmclaughlin6013
      @patrickmclaughlin6013 Před 5 lety +1

      he lists a balancer
      haven't seen anyone use that one yet and the instructions on the Ali Express page were not very clear
      looks like it's for balancing only and not protection for current draw, over/under voltage
      at least you don't have to weld or solder the batteries

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      Yes, I hope to do a video talking about why active balancing is superior and how to hook one up.

  • @tobydyes
    @tobydyes Před 4 lety

    What was the finished price everything together batteries plastic and nuts and bolts what was the final price

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      I don't sell the batteries Toby, but I did provide links to the batteries and the kit in the description.

  • @PhilNelson_internet_fossil

    I did some arithmetic on the numbers at the Battery Hookup page. I think the answers say I only need about 10P4S to start the car (a Ford 3-liter from the '90s), if I don't need reserve capacity (say, for sitting around a couple of weeks with small devices draining current) because it's going in an "RV" with another 24V system to back it up.
    Or... Will my idea not work because I need 30P so it's a drop in replacement because a 95 Amp alternator can't exceed the maximum charge current of the cells (not to mention the difference in charge profile)?
    BTW, did you ever try charging that thing at 95 Amps?
    I guess what I'm saying is maybe it would work as a starter battery and the next step is to risk killing $300 (perhaps less, maybe my alternator never puts out that much current, or I can discover a way to tell it not to) worth of batteries, and my alternator, to find out?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety +1

      Don't use lithium as replacement starter batteries. Stick with Lead Acid. Use lithium for storage, when charged by a solar charge controller or a dedicated charger. The hassle of a BMS and the differences in voltages would cause trouble. This battery was designed as a drop in replacemt for golf cars or trolling motors or storage batteries, not to start cars.

    • @PhilNelson_internet_fossil
      @PhilNelson_internet_fossil Před 3 lety

      @@shawname2 I know. I read your advice. And I think it's good advice.
      Except...
      Their might be a few cases where it will work:
      With the LiFePO4 batteries, the voltages look like a pretty good match (others aren't), and with the right cells (these, in particular, are higher surge current than I thought LiFePO4 could do), I guess everything but charging from a stock alternator is "no worries".
      So, if I can figure out a way to be sure the alternator won't ever charge them at too high a current (which will take some investigation, so far, I don't even know where the voltage regulator is- in the alternator, I think), it might work, for _this_ use case.
      Of course it's not going to be worth the cost (I've already put more time in than a new lead acid battery costs, and they've been lasting me 6 years, easy, now that I know never to run them down to less than 80% charge), and the materials look like 3 or 4 times the cost of a lead acid battery, but, I've always wanted that heavy lead-acid battery out of there, especially in the van, because it's on the driver's side, so, I will keep speculating, and possibly experimenting, for a while.
      But it might be a problem if I speculate out loud, here? I can stop if it is.

    • @PhilNelson_internet_fossil
      @PhilNelson_internet_fossil Před 3 lety

      If it's OK, I will speculate that it might be nice to have 10P4S which could stack to either 20P4S or 10P8S (it happens that I might also need 24V LiFePO4 for the office).

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      @@PhilNelson_internet_fossil Yes, the Li9FePo4 chemistry will get you closer to the lead-acid voltage. If you are an experimenter, a hobbyist, then go for it. If you just want to drive your van, stick with lead acid. My 2 cents worth.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      @@PhilNelson_internet_fossil Speculate? You could use 26650 10P Blocs and assemble them any of those ways.

  • @kenroy851
    @kenroy851 Před 5 lety

    I am looking to build bigger battery system for my sailboat. What system would you use to get 24 volt at least 400 AH. And will this system handle the temperature.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      Hi Ken,
      Sure- Could use 5 amp hour LiFePo4 26650 cells. We would need 80 for 400 amp hours. I make this battery but in a 40P, so two of those in parallel would get you to 300 amp hours. Two more in series would get you up to 24 volts. Email me at shawnwiththewind@gmail.com if interested.

  • @wojciechzgodowski
    @wojciechzgodowski Před 3 lety

    Looks like a 4s battery. 14.8v. Which can not be discharged to lower than 10.6v. perfect for automotive use. RV use. An average alternator charges to 14.2v. So it won't overcharge them,. But usually it will charge to 13.5-13.7v. using this configuration will make this pack past a long time in RV boat etc everyday use. No need for battery maintenance electronics. If you have so many cells pos to pos connected as one of four packs in it they'll pretty much Ballance themselves.

  • @huskypup3489
    @huskypup3489 Před 5 lety +14

    I’d be concerned about long term reliability of the magnetic connections to the cells. I prefer resistance welding.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +9

      The BatteryBloc system was created to make our batteries rebuildable. The nylon bolts provide a lot of compressive force and the magnets are about the same size as the button tops on the cells providing a good connection area. So far, I have not heard of any failures due to poor cell/magnet connections. But these is no denying that a machine spot welded battery that is well packaged is durable.

    • @brad4908
      @brad4908 Před 5 lety +10

      Peter Jackson, I loved your hobbit and LoR movies. Did your preferences for resistance welding influence your choice of how to animate the Ents?

    • @luiscolon7492
      @luiscolon7492 Před 3 lety

      As easy as it is!!!!!!!

    • @PhilNelson_internet_fossil
      @PhilNelson_internet_fossil Před 3 lety

      Well, if they get hot enough...
      www.apexmagnets.com/news-how-tos/magnet-experiments-what-happens-when-a-magnet-is-heated/

    • @machinationu1665
      @machinationu1665 Před 3 lety

      @@shawname2 this will work when it's new... caig.com/deoxit-gold-g-series/
      If using after its oxidized just use (deoxit-d-series) or (deoxit-shield-s-series) I used the D and the G need to get some Shield someday..
      I used this on a 1986 CNC and it fixed the problems..

  • @leetaves6493
    @leetaves6493 Před 3 lety

    where can you buy this stuff 24 volt solar

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      batteryblocs.com also shop BatteryHoookup.

  • @patrickmclaughlin6013
    @patrickmclaughlin6013 Před 5 lety +4

    no bms?

    • @kenthinson2980
      @kenthinson2980 Před 5 lety +1

      Was thinking the same thing. There will be no balance changing. However the car will never fully fill a 4s either 4.2 * 4 = 16.8. so I don't think over charging is a issue. Balance might go out after a while though.

    • @brechtthebest
      @brechtthebest Před 4 lety

      Kent Hinson 4.2 is the limit of Li-polymer Battery. He uses LiFePO4 which is a max of 3.65

  • @rogerramjuice2562
    @rogerramjuice2562 Před 4 lety

    How many amp hours is this battery?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Here is a link to the product page with more info:
      batteryblocs.com/groceries/big-battery-30p4s-26650-12-volts/

  • @kennethrea79
    @kennethrea79 Před 5 lety

    Hi Shawn . Would like to know what the cold cranking amps are for this battery. I have a couple of your kits for the 18650 cells and love them. I was trying to order more and was having trouble with your site. Ken r.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      What trouble are you having with the website Ken? The cells are 3200 mah and there is 30 in parallel for 96 amp hours. Each can dump 12 amps, so that would be 360 cranking amps or 4,300 watts- Enough to start 4 - 6 cylinder car.

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 Před 4 lety

    hi.ive got a smart bms bluetooth just come.ive fitted it to my 13s5p.and it connects ok to the app showing 51.7v an cells are mostly 4v but one is just 3.6v so trying to get the bms to balance.havnt used on the bike yet.but when i check voltage from the bms discharge lead c-its only 16v from that to battery positive.is that right?thought should be battery voltage .hope you well shawn .steve

  • @Sertao2013
    @Sertao2013 Před 4 lety

    How many ah is this battery and how much did it cost ?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      More info on my website:
      batteryblocs.com/groceries/big-battery-30p4s-26650-12-volts/

    • @Sertao2013
      @Sertao2013 Před 4 lety

      The link on the page that goes to the battery's is no good . Can you go there and click on it and find the link that goes to the battery's that fit the plastic case ? Is this the battery's you are showing ? It looks like they already have a case so its saving you 120.00 and you don't have to have the plastic pieces you ae putting together or are these the wrong battery's ? batteryhookup.com/collections/lifepo4-batteries-1/products/a123-36v-module-w-48-26650-anr26650m1-b?variant=31780910137476

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety +1

      Good find- I love BatteryHookup too! Go for it! Shawn

  • @reddragonstacking5247
    @reddragonstacking5247 Před 4 lety

    What is the life span of this type of battery?

    • @jimthvac100
      @jimthvac100 Před 4 lety

      You really need to google simple questions like that Come on "lifespan LiFePo4 batteries" You could have typed it google search bar in time you spent asking the question.

    • @reddragonstacking5247
      @reddragonstacking5247 Před 4 lety

      @@jimthvac100 did i ask you jim i asked the question not on the life spand of the individual cells but the battery as a whole and since he is the the guy that made up this battery configuration I thought had been perfect person to ask so jim mind your own f###ing business.

  • @joblessalex
    @joblessalex Před 5 lety

    I like this, but I think improvements could be made. Instead of magnets, copper washers and plates. Instead of nylon bolts, steel bolts and spacers. The copper strips hold the battery together and your 3d prints keep it in form.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      If you used steel bolts, the battery would be shorted. Copper or nickel plates are possible but raise the price significantly, and are non magnetic, so the cool way the battery "snaps" together would be missing. Thanks for the suggestions though. I have been building this design for over 5 years now....

    • @joblessalex
      @joblessalex Před 5 lety

      @@shawname2 That's why I said insulate the bolts with the washer. Just suggestions. I do love the design and it looks like it makes things way easier.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      @@joblessalex What happens then is the bolts might make contact with the edges of the metal plates as they pass through it.... You are welcome to print out and try some designs!

  • @jeffallen3382
    @jeffallen3382 Před 2 lety +1

    What happened to your website?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 2 lety

      Jeff, I retired and closed the busisness.

    • @aaronmiles2030
      @aaronmiles2030 Před rokem

      He found out trying to sell anything 3.d printed is foolishness i bet each kit took him 20 hrs to make 3d is for old men who have all the time in the world

  • @jayjones1914
    @jayjones1914 Před 3 lety

    I'm really interesting in your battery do you have any idea what the kid cost Jay Jones

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      sure, it's om my website: www.batteryblocs.com

  • @mrwilly41
    @mrwilly41 Před 3 lety

    While I enjoyed the ease of the system, I was not a fan of the nylon bolts and nuts. My battery had issues several times, I ended up having to remove quite a few combinations of these and ended up using zip ties to keep my connections tight. Kept losing connection of batteries to plates. Need hardware with more holding strength, strips WAY to easy...too much babying of hardware for me.

  • @robertnowinski7584
    @robertnowinski7584 Před 3 lety

    21:10 tighten up Deez nuttz 😂😂😂

  • @drsolar
    @drsolar Před 5 lety

    It was a pleasure speaking with you yesterday. I made the purchases and I will be doing a video next month.

    • @frankz1125
      @frankz1125 Před 5 lety +1

      What did you get?

    • @drsolar
      @drsolar Před 5 lety +1

      @@frankz1125 balancer and equalizers. As usual I went nuts and bought too many

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      Good luck with your work in Africa. Let me know if I can help.

    • @frankz1125
      @frankz1125 Před 5 lety +1

      @@drsolar im sure they will be used. Good luck brother.

  • @adamkostan8671
    @adamkostan8671 Před 2 lety

    Nice work 💪
    Sub + 👍
    Keep more video's coming 📹

  • @ladrakeus9252
    @ladrakeus9252 Před 5 lety

    No balancer, idea of cost, volts?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      Sure- Costs are here: batteryblocs.com/groceries/big-battery-30p4s-26650-12-volts/
      I use active balancers, 4 needed at about $18 each.

  • @jimcatx3090
    @jimcatx3090 Před 4 lety

    I want to make this kit but all the batteries are sold out

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Contact me at my web site and I will see what i can do.

  • @algeriapowertech8183
    @algeriapowertech8183 Před 4 lety

    very good idea , but the vedeo is not complete , it need the bms connection and effeciency of magnetic cells connections .

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Yes, you re right that I did not show how to connect a BMS or use an active management system or a Hobby Charger for balancing. And that's why, there are many right ways to do this. The magnets are for ease of assembly, the 2nd/better connection is compression from the nylon through bolts.

  • @Domingorparedes
    @Domingorparedes Před 5 lety

    Hmmm... No fuses? I'd be worried about a rogue cell reversing polarity due to over-discharge, a short or 'something' unpredictable.... Very nice idea, clever indeed, but I like fuses on all my cells.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety

      Domingo, have you ever seen an instance in which a fused cell has blown it's fuse and saved the rest of the cells? In my experience, cells die a slow and unspectacular death, as the other cells in the parallel group compensate for their loosing capacity. That's why it's important to be able to pull and check them. Thanks for the comment.

  • @supakat1835
    @supakat1835 Před 5 lety +7

    Excellent video, a lot of parts that could go 2x speed shorten the whole video time

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks Anthony- It's supposed to be an assembly video for folks who buy the kit. I agree with you though!

    • @drakevelazquez8728
      @drakevelazquez8728 Před 4 lety +1

      Shawn McCarty please keep your videos at normal speed and informative. If people are professional and expert enough to understand every bit and are just following then they can fast forward all they want with the quick key as I do. For people like me that are learning and like to see everything these videos are a gold mine and keep us interested/ and helps us when we are stuck. I can’t find answers a lot of time but then find them in a random video because they were talking about what they know not worrying about video times.

  • @longneck43
    @longneck43 Před 5 lety +2

    So this is 12.8 volt 960 amp hr. At about $500

  • @roberthall6195
    @roberthall6195 Před 4 lety

    Title of the video is vert miss leading. If I am going to build a battery to just replace a lead acid battery. I have some expectation that I will be able to reuse my charger and inverter, I mean what is the point of building a battery that cost more than one already built that will work with existing equipment?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      The goal was to build a battery that will fit in the space of a lead acid battery but with much more watt hours. It was designed thinking of wheelchair users and trolling motors. I agree, it makes no sense to drop this in your truck.

    • @roberthall6195
      @roberthall6195 Před 4 lety

      Shawn McCarty I was not talking about a Truck. I do like your content it is just that the video is more about assembling your kit and less about building a replacement for a lead acid battery. Really like the video and the ease of assembly but it is not very cost effective when you have to replace a 900.00 inverter/charger because the voltage does not match your build. If you had used a cell that would more closely match that of a lead acid battery I would have been interested but even so 120 AH cells are priced cheaper than this set up and are readily available. Where as the cells for this are out of stock at the vender you linked to.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      @@roberthall6195 Yes, I understand your concerns. This is built using LiFePo4 chemistry cells- they are the 26650 sized. The fully charged voltage of a 4S Lifepo4 battery is close to a fully charged 12 volt battery- 14.4 volts. A fully charged Lead Acid might read 14.7 volts. It has been pointed out that this battery needs a balancer- I use active balancers. The battery needs 4 and I sell them for $17. each. Yes, I just checked, and they are out of stock at BatteryHookup.
      Thanks for your comments!

  • @dejanbelec8611
    @dejanbelec8611 Před 3 lety

    Good desing with those magnets but second part fixing all together with all those screws and nylon bolts so time consuming an unnecessary waste of time and energy

  • @stevemcgowan3017
    @stevemcgowan3017 Před 4 lety +1

    I have ordered new controller an throttle from voilamart
    Same as motor

  • @jonjudice1155
    @jonjudice1155 Před 3 lety

    I finally get the money to buy my bloc set and the website is shut down.

  • @allenpickett5307
    @allenpickett5307 Před 3 lety

    Thats a very big battery to fit in an engine bay

  • @srtcodesnake496
    @srtcodesnake496 Před 4 lety

    what the next step ???????????????

  • @crisacero4622
    @crisacero4622 Před 4 lety

    U forget maybe to connect together the lower portion sir ...

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Cris, check out the sides of the battery. The upper-lower connections are bolted together there.

  • @kamalhussain8517
    @kamalhussain8517 Před 3 lety

    Hey Shawn, whatyyour email address. Or how can I purchase your kits?

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      Sorry Kamal, I stopped making BatteryBlocs- I just didn't have time left over for other pursuits. shawnwiththewind@gmail.com

    • @kamalhussain8517
      @kamalhussain8517 Před 3 lety

      @@shawname2 do have anything kits laying around. I lol buy it from u

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 3 lety

      @@kamalhussain8517 Sorry, no, I manufacture to order...

    • @kamalhussain8517
      @kamalhussain8517 Před 3 lety

      @@shawname2 can I place an order?

  • @shermkeys
    @shermkeys Před 4 lety

    Why so many batteries are you trying to start a v-twin diesel engine.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      No, these are used for energy storage on boats and RV's.

    • @mwint1982
      @mwint1982 Před 4 lety

      This is probably 1/2 the starting power of a lead acid @shermkeys

  • @bonesbuckhunt1602
    @bonesbuckhunt1602 Před 4 lety

    this is the problem for me. 18650 batteries are 3.6 volts each, if you put enough in series, you will never hit 12 volts. the closest you would get is 10.8 volts, with 3 in series. thats clearly not enough for starting a motor. if you put another one in series, it will add up to 14.4 volts which is too much.

    • @shawname2
      @shawname2  Před 4 lety

      Yes, you are right. If duplicating the voltages of a 12 volt lead acid battery is your goal you need to use LiFePo4 chemistry- Lithium Iron Phosphate. It has a lower nominal voltage than the standard Lithium Cobalt chemistry.

  • @Kalleri13
    @Kalleri13 Před 4 lety +1

    Why do this? Seems expensive and the current battery works fine for many years in any weather as long as it is charged a fre extra times during the coldest winter.