I love it when the keyboard warriors come and argue "this wouldnt work in real life" or "this is too slow, the other guy is way too compliant or not reacting at all" - show they have not realised the intent of this video :D nice job demonstrating these techniques, i recognise some of them from my own training @ MSK
This is a demonstration of techniques from our syllabus, not sparring. We are not going full force, full speed, manipulating distance and time, resisting, or fighting in any way. It is just an interpretive demonstration for explanation and memory. We train quite differently, with full-speed and non-compliance, in protective equipment.
Wow, how has this video eluded me until now? Sure, it's not fancy, but the plays are presented solidly and clearly--a perfect video to demonstrate the elegant, competent reality of German Longsword to non-HEMA folk :)
I agree. This video, despite the low budget presentation, serves as an excellent concise series of clips demonstrating the various techniques to be found in the German Longsword tradition. I've been searching for a video such as this for some time!
OnionSoda Ah, I see. Well, we could certainly use more HEMA inspiration in medieval fantasy settings. *glares unapprovingly at combat portrayed in GOT* Anyway, don't be afraid to get more in-depth though! Some of the best works of fantasy/fiction, in my opinion, come from authors who are quite knowledgeable about real world cultures and history, like J.R.R. Tolkien, for instance.
These actions are built upon basic techniques and the fundamentals of timing and distance learned in the first and second levels. What is shown in this video is now the majority of our advanced level.
Truly fantastic work folks. With the level of detail you include in your demo, I can cleanly see lines of engagement, etc. I smiled when I saw the "false thrust" technique at 2:18, it's very similar to the disengage-feint techniques we used in collegiate fencing. Keep up the good work.
You know, it might not be as "practical" as later swords, but there is something about a two handed long sword that I just find to be a whole lot of fun.
In old movies, fights with large blades tend to be a plodding sort of clang... clang... clang... clang... Only fights with smaller, lighter blades are quick, intricate, and tricky. But that's because the guys making old movies didn't know about this stuff. I'd love to see a modern movie use this knew knowledge to give us some great fight scenes.
You see sir, even with a lot of well known fencing techniques like those from Japan or China (in the film industry), todays people tend to go stiupid and flashy way instead of actual realistic sword fights. However if I will ever have a chance to film something in medieval style I will surely look up a lot of actual techniques :-) Best wishes!
It's even worse with unarmed martial arts: lots of twirling about and such. But the real stuff can have lots of cool, eye-catching moves, and I'm learning watching these vids. So yeah, I hope you get the chance to film something medieval, cool, and authentic. Because I want to see that.
hey lads, ive been looking around to replace my broken bastard sword with another wooden sword, a proper true longsword for practice, because i dont want to waste budget on a synthetic one while im saving up for a steel one. anyways, where did you buy the ones you use in the video?
Forget my previous comment. A certain Italian master cleared up the Wechselhut/Nebenhut issue. ;) I am interested about the Additional Masters and shadow fencing techniques. What are they called?
I think, but i'm not sure, that Luis Preto has started some longswordtraining on top of Jogo do Pau. I don't know if he teaches longsword but I think that if anyone, he may know if there is any other that do train or want to start training in Portugal. Check out the channel "timetravellerdj" here on youtube. On wooden longswords, I have only experience of purpleheart armoury. They are OK but don't really behave or feels like steel blades. But that is not really expected from wooden swords imo.
Great video love the music, I was curious do you guys know about this feud with ARMA? I just been looking into europeon martial arts recently after reading article by john clements guy and I found it interesting dived into research of it and I then saw all this crazy feuding going on with John Clements and ARMA , whats the deal lol! . Seems like something out of a hollywood movie with people challenging each other to duels to prove their prowess!
one thing is ARMA members (at least the few I've met and others corroborate this) see their way as the only way. Anyone who does anything different is wrong and not worth their time.
Facepalm... На таком уровне нужно учить не приёмы из фехтбухов, а заниматься физподготовкой и нарабатывать простейшие удары. Если конечно они собираются потом это применять.
Historian quarrels. Happens all the time in history quolloquium. If someone is to launch a controversial interpretation or use outdated terms (like "Low-Empire" when talking about roman later empire) it will make people angry. :P Some of my university history teachers told me about it :P
+Alejandro Sánchez Hdz. The gladiators (as in using the gladius swords) actually didn't have much martial arts to them. They were used for thrusting and trusting alone, and were much less glorious weapons than longswords.
I have also been intrigued by roman martial arts, though we don't really have much to go on - only the weapons and that they fought in formation, so probably very tight and linear movements
Umm, the Gladius can cut as well although it is made mainly for thrusting and the Gladiators didn't just use them they also used Thracian style sica swords, trident's spears, hammers or mallets, axes and the heavier gladiators used the Roman Scutum and sword. Myrmillo: Wore a fish-like helmet and had an oblong shield and a sword. Retiaritus: Fought with a net, brandishing either a trident or a dagger. Secutos: Had a shield, sword, heavy helmet, and armour on one arm. Sagitarius: fought with a bow and arrow Thrax: Armed with a curved sword and a small shield.
Correct about the gladius. It is actually very good at cutting especially for its size, but when in formation cutting is much more dangerous to those around you.
Im not exactly your opinion. They are of course showing a lot of techniques but i hate how slow they are performing them even with wooden waisters. Yeah i know the video is just to show it and its easier to track the movement in this speed but it makes longsword fencing look some kind of powerless. A better impression of the german longsword gives anton kohutuvič. Look up his channel
+hm... To be honest, as much as I love the intention and power behind anton's techniques, they're a bit sloppy at times. As a martial artist, I like when people go slower, but without losing intention. If you practice movements well slowly, speed comes naturally, and, in fact, you become faster than if you are always "rushing" the techniques in practice, because you learn how to do them smoothly and eliminate any wasted motion. In the world of tactical shooting, where fractions of a second count, they have a saying; "Fast is slow. Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast"
Сожалею, но тут нет ударов, блоков и приёмов, есть только декоративная их имитация. Во всяком случае на этом конкретном видео. Очень медленно, вяло, мечи в руках еле держатся. На кадре с обезоруживанием видно, что противник даже не пытается сопротивляться. Приёмы может и действующие, но не в таком исполнении.
I just got to say this, cause alot of weapon art gets this a lot: ITS NOT REALISTIC. The only possible way to train any weapon based art is throuh repitition of the technique and practicing drills. Because no matter what you do, you CAN NOT simulate a real stress situation. You cannot artificially create a life and death situation where adrenaline is pumping and on the verge of panic. Ofcourse, you can add aggression and intent in training, but, again, no matter how hard you try, one cannot simulate real stress. That is whyy we train in drills. So the technique becomes reaction, reaction becomes instinct.
Это понятно. Но как то очень уж вяло даже для демонстрации. Проскальзывает ощущение небрежности исполнения, что очень сильно всё портит. Спарринги у вас же выглядят явно лучше.
Grand Master Yoda What makes you think that? Can you explain your reasoning? This is a simple technique demo that shows how a certain technique is supposed to be practical. Historically when presented in a certain situation these are supposed to save your life.
Grand Master Yoda These when actually used in a fight would be way faster, this is slow so people watching can actually tell what's going on so it can educate people learning the martial art
This is a demonstration of techniques from our syllabus, not sparring. We are not going full force, full speed, manipulating distance and time, resisting, or fighting in any way. It is just an interpretive demonstration for explanation and memory. We train quite differently, with full-speed and non-compliance, in protective equipment.
I love it when the keyboard warriors come and argue "this wouldnt work in real life" or "this is too slow, the other guy is way too compliant or not reacting at all" - show they have not realised the intent of this video :D nice job demonstrating these techniques, i recognise some of them from my own training @ MSK
This is a demonstration of techniques from our syllabus, not sparring. We are not going full force, full speed, manipulating distance and time, resisting, or fighting in any way. It is just an interpretive demonstration for explanation and memory. We train quite differently, with full-speed and non-compliance, in protective equipment.
I like this video, no talk just showing how it's done and accurately at that and the music is perfect.
That bobbing of the point up and down on 2:20 looks so simple and silly, but pretty damn effective.
In order: Eisen Pforte (Iron Gate), Noterzunge (Adder's Tongue), Krauthacke (Herb-hoe), Weckemeister (Baking Master), Pfobenzagel (Peacock's Tail), Sturtzhau (Plunge-Hew), Wechselhau und Zwerchhau (Change-hew and Thwart-hew), Dreihau (Three Hews).
Beautifully well done. It most be amazing to see some of these at full speed.
Wow, how has this video eluded me until now?
Sure, it's not fancy, but the plays are presented solidly and clearly--a perfect video to demonstrate the elegant, competent reality of German Longsword to non-HEMA folk :)
I agree. This video, despite the low budget presentation, serves as an excellent concise series of clips demonstrating the various techniques to be found in the German Longsword tradition. I've been searching for a video such as this for some time!
I would love to see some Halberd vs Longsword techniques performed by you.
Love this, subscribed
+OnionSoda Do we have any historical sources for that? I'm curious to see them.
***** No idea. I'm very casual about this stuff. I mainly look at it for fun and inspiration for a fantasy book I, someday, plan to write.
OnionSoda Ah, I see. Well, we could certainly use more HEMA inspiration in medieval fantasy settings. *glares unapprovingly at combat portrayed in GOT*
Anyway, don't be afraid to get more in-depth though! Some of the best works of fantasy/fiction, in my opinion, come from authors who are quite knowledgeable about real world cultures and history, like J.R.R. Tolkien, for instance.
Love that under-the-arm sword strip. Some nice interpretations of some difficult material.
These actions are built upon basic techniques and the fundamentals of timing and distance learned in the first and second levels. What is shown in this video is now the majority of our advanced level.
We know what we are doing, but thank you for the concern.
Very nice. Glad this martial art is gaining in popularity.
That disarmment though
I really enjoy this video. Direct, clean Techniques.
I´m looking forward to make a video like this one day :-)
Greets from Germany
Truly fantastic work folks. With the level of detail you include in your demo, I can cleanly see lines of engagement, etc. I smiled when I saw the "false thrust" technique at 2:18, it's very similar to the disengage-feint techniques we used in collegiate fencing.
Keep up the good work.
Wow, these are some very practical, resourceful techniques.
1:07 was awesome. Lol. Great stuff.
You know, it might not be as "practical" as later swords, but there is something about a two handed long sword that I just find to be a whole lot of fun.
It was practical for its time
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The last longsword schools lasted untill the 18th century
Check out the video description for the link to find a club near you.
Awesome interpretations! :D
For all the keyboard warriors saying "No way this could work in real life", turn up the speed to 1.50. No problem.
In old movies, fights with large blades tend to be a plodding sort of clang... clang... clang...
clang...
Only fights with smaller, lighter blades are quick, intricate, and tricky. But that's because the guys making old movies didn't know about this stuff. I'd love to see a modern movie use this knew knowledge to give us some great fight scenes.
You are right. If the choreography and camera work are done properly, almost authentic duel will look really good in a movie.
Great to watch these skills
So Betsy can literally send a person to a new zip code! lol You guys are so amamazing !
Great work!
The text says "The 'made-up' Oberhau and slashing in the arms."
Very nice, can we see the longsword vs staff
Very nice!
You see sir, even with a lot of well known fencing techniques like those from Japan or China (in the film industry), todays people tend to go stiupid and flashy way instead of actual realistic sword fights.
However if I will ever have a chance to film something in medieval style I will surely look up a lot of actual techniques :-)
Best wishes!
"Oh jesus" xD
On another note, Good vid you guys, Keep em coming xD
*tips fedora*
(it was obligatory)
Great techniques and great guys! When you come here,in Italy? It would be fantastic...?
It's even worse with unarmed martial arts: lots of twirling about and such.
But the real stuff can have lots of cool, eye-catching moves, and I'm learning watching these vids. So yeah, I hope you get the chance to film something medieval, cool, and authentic. Because I want to see that.
Damn good swordsman! Damn good!
This my dream. Hopefully someday.
hey lads, ive been looking around to replace my broken bastard sword with another wooden sword, a proper true longsword for practice, because i dont want to waste budget on a synthetic one while im saving up for a steel one. anyways, where did you buy the ones you use in the video?
where can i buy these wooden longswords?
Yes.
Forget my previous comment. A certain Italian master cleared up the Wechselhut/Nebenhut issue. ;)
I am interested about the Additional Masters and shadow fencing techniques. What are they called?
wait when did nebenhut become the new wechselhut? I thought it was more like a tail position.
2:05 "Here the fighter on the right employs 'Nicht-Zu-Geben-Ein-Fick,' or the principle of not giving a fuck, from a higher guard."
NSA wasters are really good. The $500 doller steel trainers from Albion opperate the same way as real swords but the $100 wasters are still nice :D
I think, but i'm not sure, that Luis Preto has started some longswordtraining on top of Jogo do Pau. I don't know if he teaches longsword but I think that if anyone, he may know if there is any other that do train or want to start training in Portugal. Check out the channel "timetravellerdj" here on youtube.
On wooden longswords, I have only experience of purpleheart armoury. They are OK but don't really behave or feels like steel blades. But that is not really expected from wooden swords imo.
Great video love the music, I was curious do you guys know about this feud with ARMA? I just been looking into europeon martial arts recently after reading article by john clements guy and I found it interesting dived into research of it and I then saw all this crazy feuding going on with John Clements and ARMA , whats the deal lol! . Seems like something out of a hollywood movie with people challenging each other to duels to prove their prowess!
What length trainers were you using in the video?
What is that music? Name please?
So many techniques...
You have to download this medieval book?
SHADOW FENCING 4-6 PEASANTS
Another vid with no head gear. Wear the helmets guys! Even a wooden blade splits a face!
Some of those look like they're from Talhoffer.
Hahaha he just grabs the point of his opponents sword! Some of the KDF sources are pretty weird
what is the name of this song, and where did you get the music from
did she realy just "mordhau happy feet" at 2:55 against an imaginary opponent? get her into mordhau damn!
Where can I learn this?
one thing is ARMA members (at least the few I've met and others corroborate this) see their way as the only way. Anyone who does anything different is wrong and not worth their time.
Facepalm... На таком уровне нужно учить не приёмы из фехтбухов, а заниматься физподготовкой и нарабатывать простейшие удары. Если конечно они собираются потом это применять.
Wow epic
now show it where the ginnypig fights back
Not directly from german manuals?
Historian quarrels. Happens all the time in history quolloquium. If someone is to launch a controversial interpretation or use outdated terms (like "Low-Empire" when talking about roman later empire) it will make people angry. :P Some of my university history teachers told me about it :P
So is this like a course? Gazelle syllabus...
These are some of the techniques taught at the end of our Long Sword Syllabus that are not directly attributed to Meister Johannes Liechtenauer.
*watches*!
Notice some of the take downs are very Aikido like.
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Of course.
new knowledge not knew knowledge
no knew new no I know I knew no new nudes, just old ones.
I wanna learn the ancient roman gladiators martial arts.
no way. they are as you said ancient. so secrets of how romans were so powerful are gone.
+Alejandro Sánchez Hdz. The gladiators (as in using the gladius swords) actually didn't have much martial arts to them. They were used for thrusting and trusting alone, and were much less glorious weapons than longswords.
I have also been intrigued by roman martial arts, though we don't really have much to go on - only the weapons and that they fought in formation, so probably very tight and linear movements
Umm, the Gladius can cut as well although it is made mainly for thrusting and the Gladiators didn't just use them they also used Thracian style sica swords, trident's spears, hammers or mallets, axes and the heavier gladiators used the Roman Scutum and sword.
Myrmillo: Wore a fish-like helmet and had an oblong shield and a sword.
Retiaritus: Fought with a net, brandishing either a trident or a dagger.
Secutos: Had a shield, sword, heavy helmet, and armour on one arm.
Sagitarius: fought with a bow and arrow
Thrax: Armed with a curved sword and a small shield.
Correct about the gladius. It is actually very good at cutting especially for its size, but when in formation cutting is much more dangerous to those around you.
This video gives a good impression of the historical German fencing...
Im not exactly your opinion. They are of course showing a lot of techniques but i hate how slow they are performing them even with wooden waisters. Yeah i know the video is just to show it and its easier to track the movement in this speed but it makes longsword fencing look some kind of powerless. A better impression of the german longsword gives anton kohutuvič. Look up his channel
+hm... To be honest, as much as I love the intention and power behind anton's techniques, they're a bit sloppy at times. As a martial artist, I like when people go slower, but without losing intention. If you practice movements well slowly, speed comes naturally, and, in fact, you become faster than if you are always "rushing" the techniques in practice, because you learn how to do them smoothly and eliminate any wasted motion. In the world of tactical shooting, where fractions of a second count, they have a saying; "Fast is slow. Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast"
@@hm...5429 this is a demonstration, fuck off if you want to see sparring
real sword fighting
ahahaha
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I wonder if these would work if the opponent was actually trying to murder you
+Ismar They wouldn't have made it into fighting treatise if they didn't work. It's all about repetition and building up your reaction memory.
and not panicking
They worked for hundreds of years on the streets, alleys and battlefields of Europe so I say yes.
Сожалею, но тут нет ударов, блоков и приёмов, есть только декоративная их имитация. Во всяком случае на этом конкретном видео.
Очень медленно, вяло, мечи в руках еле держатся. На кадре с обезоруживанием видно, что противник даже не пытается сопротивляться.
Приёмы может и действующие, но не в таком исполнении.
I just got to say this, cause alot of weapon art gets this a lot: ITS NOT REALISTIC. The only possible way to train any weapon based art is throuh repitition of the technique and practicing drills. Because no matter what you do, you CAN NOT simulate a real stress situation. You cannot artificially create a life and death situation where adrenaline is pumping and on the verge of panic. Ofcourse, you can add aggression and intent in training, but, again, no matter how hard you try, one cannot simulate real stress. That is whyy we train in drills. So the technique becomes reaction, reaction becomes instinct.
Это понятно. Но как то очень уж вяло даже для демонстрации. Проскальзывает ощущение небрежности исполнения, что очень сильно всё портит.
Спарринги у вас же выглядят явно лучше.
I wonder what a Knight would think when watching the modern interpretations of their techniques. Of course... just fantasy.
if you use this techniques in vs real sword fighter you die! it was made for show and is shit in for real world
Perhaps you think Star Wars is real.
Grand Master Yoda What makes you think that? Can you explain your reasoning? This is a simple technique demo that shows how a certain technique is supposed to be practical. Historically when presented in a certain situation these are supposed to save your life.
Grand Master Yoda These when actually used in a fight would be way faster, this is slow so people watching can actually tell what's going on so it can educate people learning the martial art
He would be surprised because he would think that the longsword art lasted for hundreds of years...
This is a demonstration of techniques from our syllabus, not sparring. We are not going full force, full speed, manipulating distance and time, resisting, or fighting in any way. It is just an interpretive demonstration for explanation and memory. We train quite differently, with full-speed and non-compliance, in protective equipment.
what name has this song??