“Hosts of Mordor” LOTR Precon Upgrade Guide | The Command Zone 541 | MTG Commander Lord of the Rings

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    One does not simply play “Hosts of Mordor” out of the box. So here’s our budget upgrade guide for the blue, black, and red precon from Magic’s latest set, The Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle Earth. We’ve got 10 cards to add and 10 to remove in order to maximize this deck’s villainous powers. That way it’ll be able to compete at more Uruk-HAI-powered tables. Don’t miss it!
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    Timestamps
    00:00:00 - The Command Zone is Hiring!
    00:01:00 - Intro
    00:04:51 - Main Topic Discussion
    00:05:42 - Sauron, Lord of the RIngs
    00:07:51 - Saruman, the White Hand
    00:09:58 - "The Hosts of Mordor" Deck Stats
    00:13:26 - Who Should You Run as the Commander?
    00:14:38 - Reprint Value
    00:19:03 - Notable Reprints
    00:22:24 - Best Cards in the Deck
    00:29:17 - Cards to Add
    00:43:55 - Splurge Cards
    00:45:20 - Cards to Take Out
    00:53:38 - How the Deck Plays
    00:55:05 - Outro
    00:58:06 - Ladee Danger and New Zealand
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  • @commandcast
    @commandcast  Před rokem +47

    What do you think of the “Hosts of Mordor” precon? Any cards we missed? Any cards we suggested to take out or add that you disagree with?

    • @ashleysherwin1643
      @ashleysherwin1643 Před rokem +14

      Doesn’t lier stop the ward protecting the amass creatures?

    • @joranmoore5663
      @joranmoore5663 Před rokem +1

      I would love to have an out-of-nowhere finisher like Flinging the Army or giving them infect with Tainted Strike.

    • @kenn5412
      @kenn5412 Před rokem +17

      Could you guys make a precon upgrade video, using only lord of the rings cards? Keep it in universe?

    • @victorcarrillo2151
      @victorcarrillo2151 Před rokem +6

      @@kenn5412 they will most likely won’t but I do agree with you, keeping it in the same universe is a flavour win.

    • @charginggemo8340
      @charginggemo8340 Před rokem +1

      ​@@kenn5412for especially the hosts of mordor deck it's kinda hard to (not impossible, just really difficult) but yeah it'd be cool

  • @alangomes7329
    @alangomes7329 Před rokem +353

    You should make a Extra turns only with the decks you have upgraded, for us to see them in play.

    • @kitcoakley1357
      @kitcoakley1357 Před rokem +12

      Yes please, I was just a little let down I couldn't see them on game knights

    • @TheXboxlive5
      @TheXboxlive5 Před rokem +3

      Yes please

    • @GeminiHorror
      @GeminiHorror Před rokem +6

      I think about this every time a new set comes out

    • @kitcoakley1357
      @kitcoakley1357 Před rokem

      Yeah like it'd be awesome to see it with the "protagonist" commanders just once. I think they call them lead singers, but I feel like main character names like protagonist or in Sauron's case, antagonist, would be much more on point.

    • @isaakhyde8327
      @isaakhyde8327 Před rokem +1

      Alangomes dug too greedily and too deep in the dark... you know what the fans awakened in the depths.... shadow and flame...

  • @JoshuaSanville
    @JoshuaSanville Před rokem +74

    My suggestion for an upgrade would be Harmonic Prodigy. Since Saruman is a wizard, Harmonic Prodigy will allow us to Amass X twice whenever we cast a noncreature spell!

  • @kingweb11
    @kingweb11 Před rokem +58

    00:00 - The Command Zone is Hiring!
    01:00 - Intro
    04:51 - Main Topic Discussion
    05:42 - Sauron, Lord of the RIngs
    07:51 - Saruman, the White Hand
    09:58 - "The Hosts of Mordor" Deck Stats
    13:26 - Who Should You Run as the Commander?
    14:38 - Reprint Value
    19:03 - Notable Reprints
    22:24 - Best Cards in the Deck
    29:17 - Cards to Add
    43:55 - Splurge Cards
    45:20 - Cards to Take Out
    53:38 - How the Deck Plays
    55:05 - Outro
    58:06 - Ladee Danger and New Zealand

  • @TheCoyote808
    @TheCoyote808 Před rokem +16

    I love the energy Ladee and Rachel bring to the table together. This is absolutely fantastic.

    • @LadeeDanger
      @LadeeDanger Před rokem +4

      I love hosting with Rachel it's all fun and games

  • @keinplan2610
    @keinplan2610 Před rokem +14

    I kept Sauron as my commander and one of the funniest upgrades I got is cairn wanderer. A five mana shapeshifter/changeling with the effect that it basically gets all the important keywords from cards in your own grave. Since its a changeling, its also an army. So you can buff it and, for example, if you have a cavern hoard dragon in your grave, it gets flying, trample and haste.

  • @jonathanmckeown4907
    @jonathanmckeown4907 Před rokem +81

    I wish they would also do a Budget/Non budget upgrade with just LOTR cards for these precons as well. I know a lot of people are just doing LOTR upgrades to these.

    • @DeterminedDev
      @DeterminedDev Před rokem +4

      Same. My group is LOTR only. Hope all hey update this once card prices drop.

    • @Pullituz
      @Pullituz Před rokem +6

      Same. I just don't see Phyrexians and Cabenna stuff in LOTR for example. Didn't even finish this episode cause the flavor is not right.

    • @TheRedBaron2012
      @TheRedBaron2012 Před rokem +1

      @@Pullituz I think it depends on the cards. Generic creatures and generic spells, even if they reference a different plane. It's less impactful for me. Seeing a legendary creature, does cause a bit of a problem for me. Anyways though, all these guys fucked up. My Saruman deck is going to be like 75% Goblin token spells. 1 turn with Saruman and you're gonna have a huge board state lol Gonna be so freaking fun.

    • @mrnoobgaming6051
      @mrnoobgaming6051 Před rokem +2

      Spot on, I was shocked the LOTR cards weren't in here, it shows they were overly ambitious in my opinion

    • @tysonperna8844
      @tysonperna8844 Před rokem +1

      @@mrnoobgaming6051 Why's that? They explained that they didn't include LoTR cards because they didn't have prices yet since the set hadn't been released at the time of filming.

  • @TheViridianDusk
    @TheViridianDusk Před rokem +20

    Surprised they didn't mention that Lier also turns off Saruman's ward effect.

  • @davidcrain453
    @davidcrain453 Před rokem +28

    😂😂😂 hilarious josh and Jimmy introduce yet another episode of Rachael's command zone..... Now what this woman has done is incredible.... Become absolutely irreplaceable.... 👏 Bravo Racheal

  • @jonathanbenitez6772
    @jonathanbenitez6772 Před rokem +8

    "stats are back on the menu boys!" :D
    Best line!

  • @gazza4589
    @gazza4589 Před rokem +14

    I personally switched out the precon commander with Sauron, the Dark Lord. Took out the gutter snipe and made the deck into a ring tempting deck. I’ve played it once so far and it was a blast! Can’t wait to slowly upgrade it more and more!

    • @MrEdDyelo
      @MrEdDyelo Před rokem +3

      I did exactly the same thing!!! Would you share the list with me? I can also show you my decklist if you want

    • @gazza4589
      @gazza4589 Před rokem +1

      @@MrEdDyelo I’ll share the list later when I get home from work! It’s not finished by a long shot, but it’s got some decent things.

    • @Npocommander
      @Npocommander Před rokem +1

      I made 2 decks out of it 1 sauron reanimate and cycling, with the demon that turns cycling into a one sided wrath, and saruman spell slinger

    • @gazza4589
      @gazza4589 Před rokem

      @@Npocommander Nice! I like to try to have different colored decks soo in addition to this I made a mediocre Aragorn deck. All my decks have didnt themes and colors. Lol

    • @Npocommander
      @Npocommander Před rokem +1

      @@gazza4589I own all the precons since zendikar rising one of my favorites is obuum with 54 lands, some precons I upgrade some I chop up for parts to other decks some sit there in their boxes waiting for me to touch them, my breya is made from osgir, urza and the buckle up precon

  • @thespark_mtg3857
    @thespark_mtg3857 Před rokem +38

    Rachel has been such a boon. She literally has chemistry with EVERYONE. Such a treasure. Token.

  • @MrLaughingMachine
    @MrLaughingMachine Před rokem +11

    This is a wonderfully constructed upgrade guide and I do believe it would make for a much more fun-to-play deck than the one that comes out of the box, however, it kinda sucks to take out the face commander from the precon, specially when that commander is Sauron, Lord of the Rings, and this is a Lord of the Rings set! I would love to see an upgrade for Sauron himself just to see how that reanimate/big creatures strategy would work with him in the command-zone!

    • @eXJonSnow
      @eXJonSnow Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah, I found this upgrade super disappointing as well. The deck is very cool, with Sauron as a looming threat, backed by the orc army raised by Saruman.
      Getting rid of Sauron entirely and turning it into a spell slinger deck is very meh.
      It would have been happy if they'd at least had a 5 minute segment on cards to add and remove if you wanted to keep Sauron as the commander. Even if they didn't go into full analysis, it would have been something.
      As it is, it kinda feels like the theme of the deck is somewhat discarded.

  • @Spirited_skiing
    @Spirited_skiing Před rokem +3

    This is hands down the best thumbnail in the history of commandcast

  • @Saprolin_g
    @Saprolin_g Před rokem +8

    Sauron the dark lord is a really simple shoe in for a less expensive mana cost and makes it really easy to do what the deck wants

    • @clyd1bon
      @clyd1bon Před měsícem

      I did the same. I kept sauron the lord of the rings in my deck tho as a nice late game bomb tho.😊

  • @javieracastaneda1136
    @javieracastaneda1136 Před rokem +2

    Ladee: "im an art s-cker, if its got cool art on it, i'm all about it" OMG SAMEEEEEE this edition its so beautiful😭😭😭 i want them all

  • @MarineS0n2
    @MarineS0n2 Před rokem +4

    Dreadhorde Invasion is a cool enchantment for the upgrade too. Due to the amass ruling, the big army Sarumon makes will be a zombie and have lifelink on the swing.

  • @borislibaque1558
    @borislibaque1558 Před rokem +4

    A wonderful upgrade guide. In line with the theme you're going for, you could also add an Arcbond. You time it right its a complete blowout in this style of deck

  • @MegaZman2011
    @MegaZman2011 Před rokem +4

    I legit made a deck for both the commanders with Sauron being reanimator and Sarumon being spell slinger. Excited to play test them!

  • @DarkPretender205
    @DarkPretender205 Před rokem +2

    The second time I played this deck, I had anger in the graveyard, Sauron came out, milled a scourge of the throne, due to a card an opponent had that game, I took out the rohan / gondor deck from more than full health in a single round, Sauron had 11 power first swing, 13 the next, meaning the Orcish siegemaster had 11 + 13 power in a single round with Trample xD I also in the first game got the Balrog out in turn 4. XD

  • @Draven1895
    @Draven1895 Před rokem +2

    Ladee Safety and Rachel Wrecks with the deck techs

  • @iolkos64
    @iolkos64 Před rokem +15

    I'm not sure if they get the full main set info before making these videos or just the commander decklists, but for these LoTR upgrades especially, I would have loved a section for cards from the main set that work great in the deck (since they can't factor them into the upgrade due to them not having prices yet, especially reasonable/not-prerelease prices).

    • @Hurricane1990
      @Hurricane1990 Před rokem +1

      Me too. They are dirt cheap and they keep you in the world of LOTR

  • @f2p_felix
    @f2p_felix Před rokem +4

    I personally like Embercleave in this deck, since we're already splurging. With Saruman out, it turns into a Flash speed 6/6 that becomes a 7/7 with double strike and trample!

    • @JimmyJames-om2uw
      @JimmyJames-om2uw Před 4 měsíci

      You nailed it. The Army needs trample and preferably vigilance too.

  • @Embxr
    @Embxr Před rokem +2

    Commander:
    Saruman, the White Hand
    Add:
    Angrath, Captain of Chaos
    Widespread Brutality
    Maskwood Nexus
    Archmage Emeritus
    Wizards of Thay
    Primal Amulet
    Anhelo, the Painter
    Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant
    Lier, Disciple of the Drowned
    Syr Konrad, the Grim
    Honorable Mentions:
    Rise of the Dark Realms
    Rhystic Study
    Remove:
    Shiny Impetus
    Basalt Monolith
    Subjugate the Hobbits
    Monstrosity of the Lake
    Sauron, Lord of the Rings
    Rampaging War Mammoth
    Inferno Titan
    Troll of Khazad-dûm
    Voracious Fell Beast
    Knollspine Dragon

  • @crawdaddy2004
    @crawdaddy2004 Před rokem +7

    If Cruel Ultimatum isn’t in the upgraded deck, I’m going to be very disappointed 😂

  • @deumolo
    @deumolo Před 7 měsíci

    It took three attempts but i finally won with this upgrade in a three player pod against Be'lakor, the Dark Master + Szarekh, the Silent King and it was a blast.
    The last 2-3 turns having Lier, Disciple of the Drowned as the MVP.
    Thanks for the great work doing the research for these upgrades.

  • @jamesqunell928
    @jamesqunell928 Před rokem

    It's very rare to find an ad break that not only doesn't bore me to death, but even makes me giggle, and Liberator's Factor endorsement had me cackling 😂

  • @Vidious808
    @Vidious808 Před rokem +10

    Damn was really hoping for a sauron deck, not a spell slinger.

  • @metalplaysgames
    @metalplaysgames Před rokem +1

    treasure nabber worked so great the first time i played this deck, turn 4 commander was brutal... i was the threat from then on

  • @moralessanchezoscarelias6412
    @moralessanchezoscarelias6412 Před 11 měsíci

    Love to see you two in charge of this episode ❤

  • @alexfalcon8613
    @alexfalcon8613 Před rokem

    Many people want to see the upgraded decks in extra turns to see the gameplay. I believe this would be great guys!

  • @ashleyprior6712
    @ashleyprior6712 Před rokem +3

    Hope Rachel does an episode for her in world upgrades!

  • @isaakhyde8327
    @isaakhyde8327 Před rokem +1

    10:10 Stats are back on the menu, boys 😎😎😎

  • @joranmoore5663
    @joranmoore5663 Před rokem +9

    I know y'all didn't want Subjugate the Hobbits in the deck but I do think it has some synergy. You get to Amass 7, which by itself is massive. It would decimate most, if not all token strategies. Also, what do y'all think of having Ovika in the deck? I know the CMC is really high but it can create tons of Goblins- which Saruman likes - and they all have haste.

    • @LadeeDanger
      @LadeeDanger Před rokem +4

      It was honestly a really hard cut to make! I love the card a lot but I was trying my best to streamline it down.

    • @gazza4589
      @gazza4589 Před rokem

      I personally switched out the precon commander with Sauron, the Dark Lord and made it more of a ring tempting deck. I kept on Subjugate the Hobbits because it’s a new card. I was able to play it the one and only time I’ve played with the deck so far. It’s such a fun deck and I can’t wait to upgrade it slowly and keep playing more!

    • @JonPayne777
      @JonPayne777 Před rokem +1

      Think about the floor of this card though… there are no small creatures on the battlefield, your commanders in the zone, and you draw this card. Are you happy? Also, a 7/7 token is NOT massive in commander where removal is so prevalent

    • @joranmoore5663
      @joranmoore5663 Před rokem

      @JonPayne777 it was just an observation. And I didn't see it as just a 7/7. I saw it as +7/+7. Which is still pretty decent.

    • @JonPayne777
      @JonPayne777 Před rokem

      @@joranmoore5663 not attacking you, just telling you the card got cut because it’s bad. A 7/7 or a 100/100 token, my opinion is the same: dies to removal, and can be blocked by a 1/1 token

  • @Cal-fr9mw
    @Cal-fr9mw Před rokem +2

    Hope to see a game with the upgraded decks please !!!
    Also ladee love your hair !! Rachel you stay being funny af

  • @echoesvayne9790
    @echoesvayne9790 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I feel like THAT version of sauron should have had "can't be countered" on it

  • @matiamrobbins3036
    @matiamrobbins3036 Před rokem +4

    Don’t know if this was taken into account, but there was an errata made on the war of the spark amass cards to now read amass X zombies instead of just amass X, meaning that you would have to amass two different armies, a zombie one from the war of the spark cards and an orc one from the lotr cards.

    • @ThePuppetTheFriendlyDude
      @ThePuppetTheFriendlyDude Před 10 měsíci +2

      I don't think you're correct. They would become a mix of both, so it would be a zombie orc army, as per rule 701.44a

    • @starmanda88
      @starmanda88 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Wrong. They become a mixed army of both. 🎉 orc zombie army party

  • @chrisgallo2236
    @chrisgallo2236 Před rokem +2

    Cycling also gets them into the yard for the reanimator theme of the precon.

  • @NotTheBreezeness
    @NotTheBreezeness Před rokem

    The buying every card just to have them is literally me rn. I love LotR so much! I just want to be able to look at em!

  • @benjaminherreralizana3937

    All will be One is a great add. Let's you ping a target for the your amass value.
    I would also take out Everflowing Chalice since it just doesnt amass (mana value 0).
    Army of the Damned is a fun finisher if you also have the War of the Spark cards which amass zombies and give them evasion.
    And a great non budget add would be the Ozolith as well

  • @justinhoudeshell4031
    @justinhoudeshell4031 Před rokem +1

    I know out of the box this deck feels unfocused, but it is very good a adapting to what ever is happening. It is a blast to pilot and when be better had the upgrade stayed with the face commander.

  • @jonathangrimm1286
    @jonathangrimm1286 Před rokem +6

    I like Lier a lot, but it is a bad idea in this deck. It turns off Ward. Ward counters spells if the ward cost is not paid.

    • @jarzz3601
      @jarzz3601 Před rokem

      good catch

    • @LadeeDanger
      @LadeeDanger Před rokem

      It is but having alt cons in there for value is also important. The card is so good!

    • @burnsboy101
      @burnsboy101 Před rokem

      @@LadeeDangerier seems better with the original commander, where it’s not a nombo, I also don’t like the fact it could stop opponents counter other people win cons

  • @nik700
    @nik700 Před rokem +2

    Ladee with the cannonically correct shirt

  • @MrCrunchytime
    @MrCrunchytime Před rokem +1

    I actually won using a combo Sauron with the Balrog. Granted, it was hard to keep casting Sauron every time he died, but he kept bringing the Balrog back out with him (didn't use the exile effect), and together, they were just oppressive

  • @Ratchetdude099
    @Ratchetdude099 Před rokem +2

    "you don't know me for playing grixis, but you do know me for being a baddie" 😂

  • @AttilaTheHutt
    @AttilaTheHutt Před 7 měsíci

    I played magic for the first time last night with friends. You mentioned subjugate the hobbits. I played it and essential stole every creature on the table. Including a hobbit with a 26/26 token. Wiped two players out in one turn following 😎

  • @andremedaglia350
    @andremedaglia350 Před rokem +2

    Well... in the Food and Fellowship deck upgrade you guys went with a token overrun strategy... instead of using the unique food deck.
    Now you choose to do another grixis spellslinger, worst than Anhelo, instead of upgrading SAURON's deck... and remove him from his own deck.
    I'm worried about what will come next...

    • @LadeeDanger
      @LadeeDanger Před rokem +1

      I'm out here living Dangerously

    • @andremedaglia350
      @andremedaglia350 Před rokem

      @@LadeeDanger please don't take me wrong, I love you guys! This is not an "internet-hate-comment". Is just, let's say this is not my favourite set review from the team haha

  • @inskarma201
    @inskarma201 Před rokem +1

    Cycle to reanimate it. Easy to get stuff in the grave. Amazing job in this upgrade.

  • @mizzlchieizzl
    @mizzlchieizzl Před rokem

    These are some pretty good cuts. I'm going to try to put all 9 nazzies in the deck and then have the other three decks with the one ring in it for game night.

  • @HouseWolfGaming
    @HouseWolfGaming Před rokem +1

    The queen herself, Ladee!

  • @captianbacon
    @captianbacon Před rokem +1

    I have been planning on building this as spell sling with the white hand since it was spoiled. anhelo and goblin bombardment are really good support cards tobtake advantage of your orcs to fauder off for extra value between spells or extra spells.
    I really feel like building with the army as the wepon is kinda the trap, building with them as a recursive resource to spend is such a better plan mabey its hard with 10 cards. But when i play my deck the only reason i want a army token bigger then a 4/4 is if im flinging it at someones face because remaking them is so much better then just adding counters and when you can take advantage of the free sacrifice every spell its so good...

  • @Rammaqable
    @Rammaqable Před rokem +1

    'Subjugate the Hobbits' is an interesting one, if your playgroup loves token decks then this is a game-closer (won me the first play), but if not it's a bit too situational with a deck without tonnes of draw power. 'Monstrosity of the lake' on the other hand is actually amazing (especially with Reanimation cards), as it will give you two turns to close the game or give an answer/time for if someone has exploded.

  • @Harmfulshyguy
    @Harmfulshyguy Před rokem

    based on the advice on upgrading the deck I have gone fully down the isengard legion route. Lots of amassing armies that get huge buffs from wizard support.

  • @georgegregory6083
    @georgegregory6083 Před rokem +1

    Anyone else feel the missed opportunity from Ladee Danger to say that she went "there and back again" when talking about Hobbiton at the end step?😅

  • @charlieocallaghan8679
    @charlieocallaghan8679 Před 4 měsíci

    I kept Sauron as my commander. With all the mana rocks available if you get them out you won’t have a problem bringing him out early or atleast 2-3 times. Then with each time he comes back you get the army + a creature from graveyard. It’s an 8 cost for 9/9, 5/5 army and something else nasty. Plus it’s SAURON! How can you not play it 😂

  • @9d7fish
    @9d7fish Před rokem

    Shiny impedes was a pretty solid card when we pinned the pre ons against eachother. My opponent created a 20/20 making unblock-able so then I goaded it which caused me to win the game.

  • @zacharynaragon7313
    @zacharynaragon7313 Před rokem

    I’m planning on getting this deck, mixing it with my zombies deck, focusing on getting out my goulcaller gisa and amassing the army token really big really fast between orcs and zombies, tapping gisa and turning that army into many zombies that can be given fun things like deathtouch, hexproof and flying. Also switching out the commander for Sauron, the dark lord.

  • @thes1lv3rwolf27
    @thes1lv3rwolf27 Před rokem +6

    I also changed the default sauron but I replaced it with the sauron with ward sacrifice legendary arifact/creature. With tons of self mill and a little regular mill or everybody mills. Sacrificing the army for damage or more mill. And more reanimation. Put two infinite combos with gravecrawler/phyrex alter (or alter of dementia)/ agent of the iron throne (with some other similar cards) also got worldgorger dragon + reanimation spells like animate dead and my theme was taxes for casting spells so not only does sauron make an army whenever you cast a spell but with rhystic study I can draw and there's a black card I put in (don't know the name think its 3 black black) but whenever an opp cast a spell they either take 5 dmg or discard a card. And im hoping to find some more cards to add for more taxes but that's all I've got so far. So any suggestions for cards that are either red blue or black that say "whenever an opponent cast a spell _______ happens" let me know need some suggestions

    • @LadeeDanger
      @LadeeDanger Před rokem

      That's a fun idea!

    • @gazza4589
      @gazza4589 Před rokem +1

      I switched it with that Sauron, the Dark Lord as well. I’ve only upgraded it a little bit but the one game I’ve played with it so far was a blast! Exited to keep playing this deck and slowly upgrading as I go!

  • @RodrigoNogoceke
    @RodrigoNogoceke Před rokem +21

    While I appreciate the upgrade, it bums me that Saruman was chosen, no one buys this precon to play as Saruman, we all want to play as Sauron. It would be much cooler to see this upgrade trying to make Sauron somehow work instead of putting Saruman as the commander (which fells like the easy way out). Kinda flavorless to play as the second big bad guy, a bit dissapointed with the choice, but understandable nonetheless.

    • @mrxpibb
      @mrxpibb Před rokem +1

      Wdym he's bad

    • @RodrigoNogoceke
      @RodrigoNogoceke Před rokem

      @@mrxpibb too expensive, which is why they chose saruman instead of sauron...

    • @mrxpibb
      @mrxpibb Před rokem

      ​@RodrigoNogoceke have you played the deck or against it?

    • @RodrigoNogoceke
      @RodrigoNogoceke Před rokem +1

      @@mrxpibb yes, I loved the deck and the flavor, still think the set Sauron is better, I just meant that I wanted the video to be about a Sauron upgrade and not Saruman...

    • @filiphorvath8932
      @filiphorvath8932 Před rokem +6

      @@RodrigoNogoceke I mean, every time i cast him I felt he was worth the price? I mean he isn't the power level of like Koma or Maelstorm but that's fine?

  • @user-ih6hd7fz4l
    @user-ih6hd7fz4l Před 28 dny

    I think the idea is that as long as you can amass orcs, the deck is so diverse you can deal w anything

  • @geoffbarker5570
    @geoffbarker5570 Před rokem

    When they added Maskewood Nexus I was shocked that they didn't mention Vadrik, Astral Archmage! He's also a spell reducer but imagine how big you can make an x spell after storming off with a Vadrik "Army" that progressively increases the discount!

  • @branhasknowidea
    @branhasknowidea Před rokem

    Hire ya boi as Best Boy Electric.
    You can see I conduct myself with the utmost professionalism.

  • @kyle7447
    @kyle7447 Před rokem

    A job with this channel seems like a really cool spot.

  • @HinekoAkahi
    @HinekoAkahi Před rokem +1

    It's interesting that, so far, no precon upgrade has kept the face commander. Looking forward to seeing if the trend continues with the last one!

    • @joeferreti9442
      @joeferreti9442 Před rokem +2

      Interesting, but it's always unsatisfying when you watch the upgrade video for a certain precon and then it's for a totally different commander than you expected. :/

    • @AddenBethel
      @AddenBethel Před rokem

      Especially food and fellowship. Frodo and Sam as commanders and going life gain/value theme gets crazy fast

  • @HinekoAkahi
    @HinekoAkahi Před rokem +3

    Honestly, I think 50 bucks is too much of a budget, _especially_ since these decks are already a bit more expensive than regular set decks. If I've already spent more than usual on the deck itself, I don't really wanna put another 50 dollars down to get it up to speed, right?
    10 dollars was maybe a little tight, but I liked the 30 bucks budgets.

  • @user-qt1xn7jk4k
    @user-qt1xn7jk4k Před rokem +1

    It’s called the hosts of Mordor not the host of Isengard. I agree Saruman is a cool commander and probably more powerful, but if your playing the lord of the rings decks it’s probably because you love lord of the rings not because you want the most power.

  • @mrnoobgaming6051
    @mrnoobgaming6051 Před rokem +1

    Wow they took out Sauron. They took out Sauron. They. Took. Out. Sauron.

  • @Dragon_Fyre
    @Dragon_Fyre Před rokem

    It’s funny that they include Lier, as EDHREC just included comments in latest video from Rachel about how this interacts with ward. It would effectively nullify all the ward 2 on your Goblins and Orcs.

  • @shatterst0rm380
    @shatterst0rm380 Před rokem +8

    I'm thinking the best upgrade budget is $20 to $25. About half of the cost of the average precon cost.

  • @weihaigoh9734
    @weihaigoh9734 Před rokem +1

    I will make Sauron, The Lord of The Rings, as my commander. My deck will focus on stealing my opponent stuff and making them suffer.

  • @lukepeters891
    @lukepeters891 Před rokem +4

    Love the thumbnails I hope ya find someone good

  • @matthewalvarojr.2634
    @matthewalvarojr.2634 Před rokem +1

    I rebuilt with hosts of Mordor and used Sarumon the White Hand to make a full amass deck.

  • @kyuubifox33
    @kyuubifox33 Před rokem

    Subjugate the hobbits was so good! It stole me so many tokens!

  • @dungeonrancher
    @dungeonrancher Před rokem +1

    Love the bigger budget.

  • @controlaltdeleteish
    @controlaltdeleteish Před rokem

    I tossed in ragavan, ameboid changeling, izzet chemist, twinferno, and the 2 drop blue unblockable spell slinger that copys spells from all will be one will be tossing in a dockside eventually

  • @Space_Invader618
    @Space_Invader618 Před rokem +1

    No man may kill Sauron, but this Lady can

  • @Npocommander
    @Npocommander Před rokem

    Subjugate the hobbits is great with token, monstrosity of the lake, is real good to cycle, and I've gotten the full use of it 5 times, 2 casting it for 5 and paying 5 on etb, 3 cycling it early game and reanimate then 5 on etb

  • @Ryadic
    @Ryadic Před rokem +9

    Hoping to provide some constructive feedback here: I'm pretty upset that you didn't go with the face commander for the upgrade. I understand that a 4 MV commander is much easier to get out than 8. But I feel most people buying this deck are doing so to run Sauron. Either because they want the big bad evil guy in their command zone. Or they want to cast it and get that huge effect. It's just very disappointing and I think that sometimes when you don't use the face commander, you aren't factoring in why people are buying the deck.
    Basically you're telling them to buy the deck and run the boring sidekick to Sauron. No one wants to be Robin. Everyone wants to be Batman.

    • @Hurricane1990
      @Hurricane1990 Před rokem +2

      Facts!!!!!!!! I buy the Precons for the face commander and Saruman is just a bonus to build another deck out of or to support the Sauron

  • @JadeIsBunny
    @JadeIsBunny Před rokem

    the warhammer grixis precon also had an alternative commander with a tribal theme (though saruman doesnt require one per se)

  • @thehohcollective5201
    @thehohcollective5201 Před rokem

    Depends on what the job is Jimmy got real passive aggressive when Rachel started. lol

  • @lucasms23
    @lucasms23 Před rokem

    I think that, with Sauron, this could be a control with a reanimate sub theme. Just making a very grind match, making your opponents waste all they resources. Them, in the endgame, you just play this behemoth, putting in the board a 5/5, your most hideous creature from the grave and, of course, a 9/9 with trample. I believe that's why it has so much spot removal and globals

  • @pemalloy
    @pemalloy Před rokem

    Subjugate the Hobbits is an amazing card. I've played this deck three times and it was a win con twice. But, you combo it. It turns all those pesky lil tokens into your army. Elves, squirrels, goblins, zombies, myrs, etc. Match it up with any pump spell in red, and BOOM!!!!

    • @pemalloy
      @pemalloy Před rokem

      Yes, it's a late game play. But, that's when you want to use it. Right after someone creates a massive token army.

  • @blacephyttv6278
    @blacephyttv6278 Před rokem

    New to the games, can jin-gitaxes counter what spell you want from your opp or only the first one they use?

  • @truecross4090
    @truecross4090 Před rokem

    Im sorry. I have to go for the flavor wins. Im putting all the Blasphemous acts and huge spells that allow for redictions in casting to make the absolute most giant army possible and then laughing maniacally as it smashes face.

  • @jasonhorn5976
    @jasonhorn5976 Před rokem

    Ok I have a color identity question. A card that has daybkujd and night bound for this example I will use brutal cathar. He is a 2 and 1 white drop no other mana symbols for either side but when it goes to night the back aide is red but no moutain etc.. so does this card identiy as white red or just white? Basically need to know if it is safe to run in a mono white or white and whatever other color just not red deck?

  • @unseeliedream42
    @unseeliedream42 Před rokem +1

    I got this deck and I am a bit upset it works very weirdly out of the box and that everybody is suggesting to change it for the set Sauron is a bit sad XD but it's true after playing it a bit that this deck goes everywhere slightly but nowhere precisely :3
    You did well in cutting Sauron honestly. While cool it's such a dread of a cost. I played some games with it at the helm and it was difficult to cast, very difficult. Also though next to nobody did the upgrade with the face commander :(

    • @LadeeDanger
      @LadeeDanger Před rokem +1

      I think there could be a way to build Sauron to work for sure. I just couldn't manage it with 10 cards :(

    • @thes1lv3rwolf27
      @thes1lv3rwolf27 Před rokem

      @@LadeeDanger nah compare it to tiamat 1 less but all 5 colors so arguably just as difficult to cast and also has an only on cast trigger but also the turn it comes down you immediately become the target if you get even 1 or 2 more turns hell ive sometimes won the turn she drops. A 8 drop commander thats that hard limited should be setting you up *HARD* to be able to win the game with 1 to 2 turns imo like amass 10 and reanimate 2 or 3 creatures and stuff like that shit needs to be going down lol

    • @unseeliedream42
      @unseeliedream42 Před rokem

      just changing 10 cards it's impossible, you did the only reasonable choice honestly. plus it needs so many card changed to make it functional that at that point my Olivia deck works much much better to reanimate things and hit hard >:3

  • @TheRedBaron2012
    @TheRedBaron2012 Před rokem +2

    Most people probably don't realize how flavorful cutting Sauron out of the Saruman deck actually is. I don't really believe either one of the hosts actually have read the books. lol

  • @bobbiechristine
    @bobbiechristine Před rokem +3

    Rachel Ladee episode!!!!!!!!!

  • @luna.scamander
    @luna.scamander Před rokem

    I actually won with Subjugate the Hobbits the other day when I was playing against the other LOTR decks because I got all those nice tramply humans Eowyn makes and other small helper creatures from the Hobbit Deck etc.. And you also don't lose the Tokens when your opponents die 😈Loved it 😅 So I think it depends on your playgroup.. If there are Token decks, this card is hilarious :D

  • @Slimjimm281
    @Slimjimm281 Před rokem +2

    Why dont you guys put the updated decklist in the notes????

  • @NearSightedViking
    @NearSightedViking Před rokem

    You took out Sauron?!? 😂 Looks good but not the direction I am going. Also, New Zealand has just joined Norway on my bucket list. If curious, check out the Lofoten Islands in Norway

  • @Phelddagrif1998
    @Phelddagrif1998 Před rokem

    I really want to apply for their Art Department position because that is directly in my career path and I have a boat load of experience working in literally both of the places that the application information talked about. (Musical Theater and Haunted Attractions) But I don’t think I would be able to move to LA and start anew there. LA just isn’t for me. Which is very unfortunate but I wish them good luck with finding someone. Who ever they find will be an awesome addition to their team.

  • @kiingliinkyt
    @kiingliinkyt Před 4 měsíci

    im still stunned from the Sauron drop

  • @PortgasDAce7407
    @PortgasDAce7407 Před 6 měsíci

    “Shtats are back on the menu boys” 😂😂😂

  • @pheenikz13
    @pheenikz13 Před rokem

    It would be great if you could post the upgrade suggestions in the show notes. What about a link to a list on archidekt? 😊

  • @Magiccircle100
    @Magiccircle100 Před rokem +1

    In what space can you actually play the huge creatures and keep Sauron? Commander is so focused on value that the flavor of this 9/9 imposing creature is cut.

  • @Amyas80s
    @Amyas80s Před rokem +2

    Spoiler alart the didn't go with Sauron as the commander fells bad fail =(😢 but the alt commander is very cool and powerful.

  • @michaelhealy1000
    @michaelhealy1000 Před rokem +7

    Unfortunately, this video feels like you guys took the easy way out. Not everyone plays commander to play the most on curve commander. You had a chance to build around a huge, fun, and fair commander that new players love. You guys constantly talk about homogeneous play and how you would like more distinct deck types and cards. But here's another boring spell slinger deck to anger your friends. I'm hoping you guys will revisit this deck.

  • @HAYDS510
    @HAYDS510 Před 6 měsíci

    I'd just accept my lower odds with this one and keep it factory, or atleast within the set. Using *A* Sauron as commander would be a must, but I like 'Sauron, The Dark Lord' better.

  • @bradylemke691
    @bradylemke691 Před rokem

    I know this feels so long ago but I built kumena tyrant of orazca because of jimmy playing it and ixalon was one of the first sets i branched out of playing mainly black decks. Thank you guys, been watching since game nights 4 love you and all on the team.