One of the Oldest CD Players - The Sony CDP-101
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Back in 1982, Phillips and Sony changed the music industry with the latest technology in digital music player back. Little did they know, the compact disc would be one of the biggest selling music formats since the vinyl and cassette. Hope you enjoy the video and thank you for watching!
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I still have the Sony Discman which my mom had bought for me in 1998 and yes! It still works! 😀
Compact disc digital audio was a joint venture between Philips of Holland and Sony of Japan. Philips developed the hardware (player) and Sony developed the software, including error correction. The Sony CDP-101 was the world's first consumer compact disc player released October 1982. As a life long technology enthusiast and music lover, this was an exciting time to live through.
The CDP-101 has a single beam laser. A few years later CD players went to 3 beam lasers. The CDP-101 also has a discrete RF amplifier. It wasn't a chip.
I still buy cds
So do I.
I still do and i don't buy digital down loads unless if it didn't come on CD.
I'm still using a Philips CD 630 model player, from 1990, it was (at the time) a top of the range model made in collaboration with Marantz, it has remote control, a disc naming function, among many other features, it still works perfectly and sounds brilliant.
Actually marantz was owned and made by PHILIPS back then!
Phillips created the most of the electronics, all the High End brand included Sony ES used Philips DACs...
I wish Sony still used those orange "Its a Sony" stickers on everything they make. They make everything look a little cooler.
My ICF7600D portable radio still have "It's a Sony" sticker on 32 years old and still works great.
I can't say the same to many of the Sony products today...
@@barebarekun161 I have a 1983 PS F5 vertical record player... it doesn't have the sticker on it.. but it still works like a charm!
I bought and put it on my ps4 to piss off people 🤣
@@barebarekun161 well my CDP 101 struggles electronically, and buzzer sound no longer repeats button's
@@wandalllither2452 For 35+ year old disc player I guess it just the matter of time.
My Pioneer Laserdisc CLD-1070 made in 1990 just stopped reading disks after 30 years.
Hell of a run but really I guess it can be just a guide rail needs lube or replacing and a laser diode.
I wished players nowadays have the same fit and finish and build quality not to mention it looks amazing.
My 1985 Sansui amplifier have similar and it still is a looker and they're reliable.
They call it Vintage Style..
But players ARE of very high fit and finish today.
Those Days Japanese Electronics Companies Built Their Audio~Visual Products Very Strong , Durable & Stunning Reliability And The Japanese Made Most Of Their Electronics Gears Built - Qualities Are Likes World's Most Reputed Russian Military Tanks.
I just love CD’s and cassette tapes everyone just streams music nowadays. I feel that CD’s and Cassette tapes have more soul!
I prefer vinyl and cassettes, and only have CD releases that are "CD only"
Here, here.
I like streaming but CD’s are straight 🔥🗿💯🇺🇸
@@coydog7902 They sound better too
Even better is a R2R player. Analog at its best!
I just love vintage audio components!
They're truly great!
“It’s been well kept and seen an easy life” wish this applied to me 😂
FYI
the A-B repeat is useful for musicians who want to learn sections of a song with automatic repeat of selected sections of a track. The timer is used for automatic turn on with an external timer
I got one too with the original remote commander . That player will never go ..
Every action had its own servo motor.
The DAC was very rudimentary, but interesting nonetheless.
Because of the high cost of digital-to-analogue converters ("DACs") at the time, the CDP-101 has only one DAC for both the left and right audio channels. There is no sample-and-hold circuitry to delay the first channel until the other is ready, so the left and right channels are out of sync by approximately 11 µs
The drawer was also cast aluminum with a overmold. External transformer (pretty much) heatsinks on the back .
The play and pause button (I believe too) are conductive touch, the other buttons (forward, backward, skip) were just push button .
That player is really something special to me .Oh and fun fact about the designation,CDP 101 was binary for the number "5" which stood for medium class CD player .
I still have my Luxman CD deck from 1989, still working flawlessly. They don't make em like these anymore, built to last!
Gerald Duval Luxman was very luxurious, I still remember. Champagner metal fronts, wooden side panels, separate CD players and D/A converters, tube amplifiers
Very interesting video. Never seen this unit. I have a CDP-212 gifted from my brother in 1998 (he purchased it in 1994) and it has performed flawlessly for the last 20 years. Excellent sound quality and simplicity of operation. Seems that Sony has had a good track record with receivers (STV series), speakers (SSU series) and CD players. The user manuals for Sony components are available on their website, for free. That's where I got mine. Nicely done.
And quality was also great back then.
I totally agree, with things were made the way they were back in the day.
Except DAC :( even people tell me a newer is better when it come to a CD Player. If my 1989 Onkyo CD Player has an Optical out, I would be in heaven right now. I love that CD player and it’s replace a modern piece of crap Panasonic Stereo System that stopped reading disc.
I was very happy to buy one NEW in 2014 - leftover from a stock aquired in 1983, waited in the depot for 31 years for me.
But there were some quirks. The big buttons use graphite foil contacs they do not work on my player anymore.
Some french guy @ vintageaudiolaser offers replacement boards using tactile switches (the small buttons use tactile switches and are still working) The amplifier for the tracking servo and the drawer died, but there are repair guides how to replace the amp with modern types.
Got in contact with other owners, we found out that all CDP-101 seem to have the same tiny scratch on the plastic front panel under the (metal) drawer, this probably happened on the assembly line.
Somebody told the story that the people responsible for the satellite uplink for the "Live Aid" concert in 1984 used the CDP-101 for testing dynamic range in preparation for the concert.
Somebody criticized in this comments that the redbook standard of CD is insufficient. Working in 24bit and higher sample rates has become an industry standard in digital recording for more than two decades now. As the 16bit/44.1 of the CD are downsampled from an - at least - 24bit/96 master, there is plenty of material for comparison - no audible difference.
what a cool piece of audio equipment
I still remember the first time I heard one of these when it was new. It was around $1500.00 and had a fancy remote but to me it sounded like an AM radio.
I heard a few flac files and they still have a cool hard CD like sound.
you can not tell the difference with mp3 320KBPS vs flac
alamerichs That's a blanket statement which is incorrect. Depending on the audio setup, especially in the Hi-Fi stereo domain, considering everything constant the audio listening perception between the derivatives of MP3 @ 320 KBPS CBR encoded with Separate stereo channels & the FLAC, both from the same original CD or WAV source, there is quite a perceptible audio difference wherein the FLAC file will sound more louder (in a good way) & roomier for the same volume output.
Our modern bluray disc players with their floppy thin plastic trays are a pale ressemblance to the build quality of this old lady. They really do not make 'em like this anymore!
I am watching this because I'm excited about my 1984 NEC player I got from Goodwill for $6. I was also wondering why it doesn't have a stop button. The timer play switch on the back seems to make it start play on loading or wait for user to press play. It also has the deprecated INDEX capability. It doesn't play CD-R very well no skipping just crackly.
That's such an awesome find! These older mid-80s players are getting extremely hard to find without having to snatch one up on eBay for a premium. I have since sold this beautiful player to upgrade to the slightly "newer" 1985 Sony CDP-650ESD flagship model with digital coaxial output. It has been my "daily driver" CD deck for a few years now and still hasn't let me down with its amazing performance. You just can't beat the quality, sound, and longevity of these old machines. These decks don't like to play CD-Rs, but that doesn't seem to render much of an issue for me considering the majority of my CD collection is all store bought prerecorded discs from the era. I hope your player gives you many more years of use like mine does! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Back when folks still gave a damn about quality, oh the good old days. Recently inherited my father's Bose Acoustic Wave Music System CD-2000 AM/FM stereo player he bought back in the mid-90's and it even managed to outlast my 2009 Onkyo player as of today! Still have to alcohol-swab the laser lens from time to time and occasionally jiggle the spinning tray around a bit for it to start reading the disc, but yeah I'm not punting away my extensive CD collection for some technological "fast-food" trend that's already begun to play itself out among the older demographic. There's a reason why vinyl has made a recent comeback, folks. I don't see CDs going extinct by a longshot, either.
;-)
Hi, great review. I tried a Philips CD player about 1984 with a UK price of £600, around $900 then. If I recall correctly the single DAC gave a delay of 11 milliseconds between channels. At the time I had an LP12/Ittok and I think a Karat D by then. I had the CD player for a week with ABC and Roxy Music CDs. This was before fully digital CDs were available, mainly AAD. I thought then that they would have to improve considerably to compete with analogue but the technology has stalled at 16bit 44.1kHz. Even worse was the rise of the MP3 and the quality of music plummeted. I have always been surprised at how many people could put up with so low-fi content but ripping CDs and sharing over the internet, with the early dialup service, meant that size, or lack of it mattered. Vinyl is trying to stage a comeback and the increased internet speed has made high quality music possible. I now try to get 24 bit/192kHz flac content, (a friend has my Sondek) but unscrupulous vendors are encoding CDs to hi res flac so it is a bit of a minefield. Thanks for taking the time to do the review, it took me back some.
I just bought this very same model from Japan (on the back panel, all keys for RCA cables are written in Japanese). In absolute pristine condition. The very first model.
In Japan, when you bought this model in 1982, it came with the first CD album released the same day of release of the player (10/01/1982) and it was Billy Joel's "52nd Street" album.
This CD album, Japanese pressing with obi and lyrics in Japanese inserted inside worth approximately $300 today
The compact Disc/CD Player was invented by Philips. Sony was a “co-developer” of the format and not at all the inventor. The very first CD Players were in fact top loading machines and the first was the Philips CD-100 (I actually still have one of these in it’s original box, packing materials, instruction manual and original receipt.
James Russell invented the CD while working for Battelle Labs in Richland, WA. The technology was licensed to Sony/Phillips who commercialized it. history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Basis/compact_disc.html
I’ve got a couple of Sony’s from the 80s and love them.
I think the Timer Play switch forces the player straight into Play mode when powered up from an (external mains) timer. Some tape decks had a similar feature where they'd go straight into record mode when powered up this way, so it served as a rather crude way of making unattended timer recordings.
Here in the UK I recall Ferguson had their own clones of these players that were more or less the same, but with cosmetic differences.
Very good information to know! Thank you so much!!
dandanthetaximan thank you for the neat information and video links!
The "Timer" function features on a lot of audio seperates, more common from the very late 70s to late 80s.
In "earlier" years there was a separate component that literally was a kind of alarm clock. These were called "timers". They had a clock with an "on/off" time setting and a series of mains outputs on the back (model and brand features varied).
Machines if left in the "play" timer position, would/will immediately start playing once power is switched on. If in the "rec" position, guess what? Yes it would start recording.
On most components with a "timer" selection mode, you can simulate the timer by Litterally turning the power on when put into the chosen timer mode.
Often this was used for recording radio broadcasts late at night or if you weren't going to be in that night/day.
I had a Yamaha Natural Sound Cd player from the same era, odd thing was the thing would play burned cds... Meanwhile this was when burned cds really only played in computer cd drives. They WAY overbuilt those things, beautiful machines. Same style of buttons, nd everything.
Sony didn't get it right with CD players until they came out with their 1 bit DAC decks and 1 bit Discman, which sounded amazing compared to the previous oversampling decks. Now the pinnacle is 1 bit DSD audio, at 5.6 MHz and above, (developed by Sony for the recording industry) but no one even cares about HD Digital audio, thanks to MP3 and Apple. No one was ever "educated" more than the Compact Disc generation. Thank God I've kept my favorite vinyl and cassettes for when I really want to enjoy my music, but I feel foolish now for believing all the hype surrounding compact disc, and wish I had the thousands of dollars back, that I spent amassing a collection I thought sounded better than LP, and last a hundred years. Aluminum was found to be prone to oxidation, gold was too expensive as a substrate, and scratches could cripple a disc despite all the sales pitches that CD's were "indestructible". Nowadays, better mastering has finally made the Compact Disc more listenable, but it's another case of "Too Little Too Late" , and a whole new generation is duped out of their paychecks to buy inferior audio content. I think it's time to dump digital and move ahead to a new analog format, perhaps an advanced hybrid of what existed on Laserdisc, an optical, or even holographic format, no moving parts to wear out, and archival integrity to rival vinyl. If they can shrink the traces of a CPU down to 14 nm and smaller on a tiny silicon chip, think how many "grooves" could be etched in the same way? Sure digital gives you more content, such as a 512GB micro SD card smaller than your fingernail that will hold literally months worth of music played 24/7, but what audiophiles crave is quality, not quantity, and it's worth every penny, when you hear it right the first time. I always think of the old saying, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin." When it comes to digital storage innovations, we are finding out, as if those "Angels" were countless 1's and 0's, but if we lose the beauty of the music and the sound in the process, in our quest for the answer to that old adage, what is the "point"?
Ed Winters Hey Ed, your idea is cool, however, can it go into a smart phone? ;)
Eventually...
A very interesting read, is on my namesake, Edwin Howard Armstrong, the inventor of FM radio, and the inventors David Paul Gregg and James Russell who co-invented optical disc in 1958, which led them to eventually create the Laserdisc and Compact Disc with Phillips. Something not everyone knows is that Laserdiscs utilize analog audio tracks (and also digital) which use Frequency Modulation, 'FM', as an encoder, optically, on the disc, so it seems it is possible to have an optical disc with a high quality analog audio recording after-all. At one time, 35MM film optical stereo was all the rage, and dozens of vinyl albums took advantage of that fact to be used as a master even superior magnetic recording decks of the era. I have one of those vinyl albums, they sound amazing. Film optical sound is not that far from what we have now, but digital is not a contiguous waveform. Another viable format for high-end analog audio was actually available to anyone with a 4 Head Hi-Fi VHS deck. I used to record vinyl onto Hi-Fi VHS, because the specs were as good, with a few mildly annoying factors, aside from the cost of good tapes, but it was not prone to hiss, due to high speed helical scanning, and able to reproduce a wide dynamic range 'Hi-Fi' that rivaled CD. My idea to encode a continuous analog signal optically, is probably nothing new to the inventors, but I am studying the patents of Gregg and Russell's and others, to see if my particular method is patentable. They achieved this analog format entirely on a commercially available product, and yet it was won over by the idea that digital was superior, and easily copied without generation loss, etc. and cheaper to produce digital components than to make reliable analog playback mechanisms anymore. Pick up a copy of "Empire Strikes Back" on VHS Hi-Fi, and also Laserdisc, listen the analog tracks, and compare that to the DVD and even the Blu-Ray, there is something missing in the digital equivalent, even at the True-HD level at 24 bit. I feel the minimum CD should have ever been was 20 bit @ 48Khz, and 24/96 has been the standard on the majority of DVD players made with a few exception of cheaper decks only having 16 bit converters. The standards are there in place, it's the marketing and record companies that have failed us, which is why I'm still bitter about the fallout from the digital age, the enthusiasm and money, the myths, it was all a high production value journey, for what was not even reality. Even today, people argue that "No-one" can hear the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, etc. even the difference between analog and digital, but put it all on an oscilloscope and those things don't lie. The human ear is the most sensitive perceptual organ in the body, if we don't "hear" something that our ears themselves are always detecting, because we aren't 'listening", to those incoming signals, we are just lying to ourselves, but then no one questions how much they just missed the moment they blink. Reviewing these thoughts, I wonder if anyone has considered what if laser disc had stuck around long enough to become Laser-R or some such recording format? True, Laser Discs ended up being much too cumbersome, but we would have had an optical analog recording medium, which is why I hope the idea is revived.... thanks for your input.
As an audiophile I was excited when SACD came out, and that should have been the new standard to replace CD, especially that it was Sony, but it was overwhelmed by the Napster debacle, and soon, the iPod and iTunes sales of music. Everyone wanted portability, quantity over quality, and no one seemed to care about "high fidelity" anymore. The debate still rages on whether there is an appreciable difference between AAC, MP3 and CD Quality 16 bit, or 16 bit vs. 24 bit. With better components, SACD and DSD are noticeably better sounding and quite close to analog, but it's been an uphill battle that Sony is finally making some inroads into, adding HD Audio into their smart phones and audio products. Without affordable audio devices, and cheaper storage, it may never fully catch on, and Apple has the lion's share of the market, and since Steve Jobs has left us, we may never see the iTunes store adopt a Hi-Def option or see an HD iPod. However, Just about every Mac or Macbook with Intel hardware is capable of 24/96 playback, and most PC's contain playback up to 24/192 built-in to most motherboards already. It has been speculated that the hardware already in most iPhones have the ability to play 24/96, but the drivers in iOS do not support playback beyond 16 bit. I use a Korg DAC 10R to record vinyl albums in native DSD @ 5.6Mhz, but without a portable player it's a moot point for playback, but for archiving it is the best format to retain an audio signal. I would love to see people adopt at least 2.6 Mhz DSD, as storage becomes cheaper, and internet speed is no longer an issue. This could be a while, but as someone who has spent thousands of dollars over the years on CD, as well as VHS, Laserdisc, DVD Then Blu-Ray, and now HD Audio, 4K UHD becomes the new norm, there may be more disgruntled people that spent a small fortune on iTunes, only to see it crash, or get discontinued. I think people are relying way too much on cloud services and such, thinking they will still "own" their music twenty years from now, and have it accessible to them, if they didn't archive it. I cringe every time I log onto a new machine and try to play certain movies or tracks in iTunes, and I get that pop-up that the content is not authorized. There may come a day when the guys with all the servers, or ones who made high-quality recordings at home and backed them up, will make a mint, "boot-legging" when some super virus or cyber attack wipes out a large chunk of the internet. We're taking a big risk with all the digital content, which Is why I support optical formats like Blu-Ray, and UHD for the future. Just imagine if modern LP Vinyl only had the shelf life of old, fragile lacquer 78 discs, or edison wax cylinders, they would be very scarce right now... Digital is even more at risk unless we adopt a new form of disc, or optical memory with DSD or better quality, for posterity sake. In the near future it will be ludicrous to imagine that all those music companies that moaned about losing money because people were pirating their music digitally, were only getting 1/100th of the sound quality contained on studio masters. The generation that has listened to MP3 and think of it as normal have had their hearing ruined by compressed audio. If they listened to something like DSD every day, and then heard an Mp3 version, they wouldn't be able to tolerate it anymore. We are an inherently visual species, images take precedent when things are marketed to us, music and audio take a back seat, so people go crazy over something like 4K Video, which blows away regular 1080P HD, but the same effect is not achieved with audio, because that is how we are conditioned, and that's the priority of our sensory apparatus for survival. Audio is more sublime, and it takes more attention, that our other senses take precedence over.
I was one of the 1st people to purchase one of these in California. The only place that had it at the time was a large furniture outlet funny enough. At that time the only place you could buy a CD was a few scattered home audio equipment stores. I still have it but .... like most won't read a disc anymore. I plan to repair it. The build quality is amazing.
I have one of those. I think I paid $1,000 for it new. I got newer model a few years later for a bit over $100 when the flapper in the 101 stopped working and the drawer wouldn't open. I still have it. I've been planning on trying to fix it for over 20 years. Hope to get to it one of these days.
What’s the flapper? I have one that won’t open either.
@@Auie_Chris It's a part inside the player that looks like a toilet flush valve flapper... the part that the flush handle pulls up to release the tank water into the bowl, then falls down again to let the tank refill. In the CD player it's above the CD tray. It goes up when the drawer opens, and down when it closes.
A year later the Philips CD100 player was released which trounced this (and every other player) on the market, i terms of audio quality because it was a 176khz system instead of 44khz, plus it had 4 times over sampling..My dad owned one for about 20 years, but it an eternity to scan through the tracks. He bought one of these later as a backup machine. They were really cheap a few years later.
The Philips was arguably a better design electronically, the Sony has poor error correction and a lot of internal "adjustments" it also has significant phase shift between channels. Where it spanks the Phillips though is with reliability and build quality.
g0fvt wrong! Philips were bulletproof! I owned a philips cd100 still works like the first day 36 years later!
Great video! I love the styling of this CD player. It just looks like a premium product.
I think the timer function is for an external timer. You set the time that you want it to play on the timer and than it does the rest for you
I have the CDP-111. It’s the brother CD player to this version. Almost identical. It sounds phenomenal and built with top quality parts.
I think the timer play function allows you to connect te CD player to an external timer and the timer activates the CD player at the time that you set on the timer, but I could be wrong
Timer Play is for use with an timer switch.
If set to „ON“, it will automatically start playing when power switched on.
The first Philips CD Player from 1982 was a toploader and offered programming. Both very decent devices.
I'm loving my Panasonic SL-PD346 5 disc changer (MASH dac) from 1992 - Made in Japan. Got it for 10 bucks from a thrift store. Hooked it up to my receiver with some premium Monoprice RCA cables. The thing has a great sound.
Very nice review thx a lot
But that heatsink in the back 😱
VERY cool!
I have a CDP-101 that is 120/220vac /50hz/60hz. The laser is in need of replacement. I am a technician and seen all the changes in cd player technology. The best part is when mfgrs. Did away with electrical /optical alignments and now the system is auto-align. Before you had to have the service manual a dual trace 60mhz. Oscilloscope . A special alignment disc, etc. You had to perform tracking offsets , focus adj. Constant linear vilocity. Must work properly which is crystal controlled and locks in accurate bit/rate speed no matter where the laser is reading the data.
That's real cool, can you open it and see how it looks inside and what laser it has? It has the first ever laser in it???
I had this unit and it was the most reliable player from these first generation players. I also owned an Hitachi DA1000 and a Philips CD 101
These players were 14 bit. It took a while before true 16 bit players became available.
yup, chips had to catch up
BigKing Bud
There's plenty of high end products out there to empty your wallet. 😉
DA-1000 is based on the BB PCM53 D/A converter, and it's definitely 16 bit chip :)
Maciej Mokros
Yes you're absolutely right. The DA-1000 was one of the very first 16bit machines. Philips and Maranz used 14bit over-sampling tech which apparently sounded better. I bought into that argument after my Hitachi's laser burnt out. Early 16bit players used steep analogue filters rather than over sampling. I remember being disappointed with the Philips.
Things have vastly improved since those early days, but oddly CD's from that era sound surprisingly good. Especially DDD recorded using early Sony PCM systems.
Maciej Mokros
I should of added originally:
True 16bit over sampling machines. 14bit players got good reviews back then because over sampling produced better sounding results.
Linear does not refer to the opening tray! Sony developed their own laser mechanism which differed to the Phillips one which moved in a arc whereas Sony's moved in a straight line (to put it in simple terms).
I would LOVE to have one of those things in that condition.
The technology of optical recording that forms the physical basis for cd and later dvd, has been accredited to Dr. David Paul Greg (transparent disc) and Philips researchers Kramer and Compaan (reflective disc and focused laser beam for readout through transparent substrate ) Also the laservison, an optical disc that could store audio and video signals was already invented in the late 60’s and has been accredited to MCA and Phillips.
Toshi Doi ( Sony ) and Kees Schouhamer Immink ( Phillips) have helped develop the technologies to make the transition from analogue (laservision) to digital (cd).
build and play like a tank i have the same and still use it every day no recap nothing
not american from holland
Timer play is for use with an electric timer switch - when timer play is on, the player will automatically start when it gets power.
I have a cdp-200 in the basement. Same controls but different door. Aluminum finish.
I still have the CDP-101 my girlfriend bought me back in the day. I have given it a bit of TLC from time to time but it still works great. The Sony has lots of internal adjustments (bad design) but was so much better built than the Philips CD-104. I remember accumulating a number of faulty CD-104s in the mid 1980s, yet the Sony still soldiers on at nearly 40 years old. When I first had the Sony I only knew one other person with a CD player, how things change!
Nice. What “internal adjustments” have you made?
@@briancaine9130 it has a lot of preset potentiometers, for the likes of servo gain etc and even a PLL. I did modify mine a little but that was not what I meant by adjustments. I did do a full alignment on it a very long time ago, the rare times I play CDs now though tends to be on a later Technics that has no inbuilt DAC.
I did build a circuit to fix the phase shift of the Sony between channels (shared DAC) but not sure that it was time well spent. I did improve the decoupling on power supply rails but again not hugely convinced it did much.
@@g0fvt thank you.
@@briancaine9130 a pleasure, the CDP101 is a beautifully built unit but certainly very outdated now.
I have a sony 5 disc carousel unit CDP-C315M from around 1990 which has a timer switch. If you have a sony midi system that has the ac in socket you can plug the CD player into the midi system and the timer functions of the midi deck will also turn of the CD player when the timer switch is on and the CD player is in a on/standby state.
So When your home listening to music not out and about Not when your at work. but when your home in your living room/den which do you prefer vinyl , cassette or cd? my first cd player was a Sony 1991 I don't know the model number.
I bought one of these (as part of a stack system) in 1982 in the UK which I still have to this day and still play. You obviously don't know but Phillips actually invented the CD (and also the Compact Cassette and indeed the video cassette). Phillips and Sony actually released a player at the same time. Because Phillips had been beaten in the video cassette wars (Sony with their Betamax version which really was the best but expensive and what became the winner VHS by I think Mitsubishi which was the cheapest and not the best, but price won out).
Ten years ago the player stopped working and on inspection all of the original grease used on the moving parts had caked up and gone solid requiring a full strip down and cleaning and re greasing of all moving parts. Still a lovely sound.
Should have said Phillips approached Sony to do a joint venture with the CD so as not to have the same problem they had had with the video cassette.
Very cool back story to your experience with this great little player! This video is a few years old, so really didn't know much about the history with Sony and Phillips at the time I made it and left out a few really important detail as you've mentioned. I am very well aware of this now that I've studied the history of the compact disc closely since. That being said, I had similar issues with mine when I received it and had to do the same maintenance procedure that you described. It was surely an extremely well built electronic with good sound quality to this day. Since the video, I've sold it and bought a CDP-650esd series 1. It's also an excellent unit (top of the line at the time in 1985) and that's been my "daily driver' ever since.
Sony dis a slightly cheeky thing at the time which was to demonstrate a machine with was vertical loading.
This resulted in a lot of manufacturers trying to copy the design When the CDP-101 was eventually released they took the market including Phillips who produced a top loader.
I asked my Sony rep if I could buy a graded stock, which was basically a box which had been opened as part of quality control and tested and put back in it's box perfect. I think I paid £100 for it.
They sold retail for about £299 if I remember correctly.
Jeremy Travis an ex old Sony Dealer.
Hey what it's real price for now? Please share your opinion
For some strange reason I thought the CDP-101 took the disc vertically.
Guess I was mistaken.
There was an early non-consumer prototype that came before this and had a vertical playback with a swing-open type door.
Do you know when CD players started to have digital output? I want to get one of these for the old feel but I don't want to be limited to the output of DACs at the time.
In 1990 I had a Technics player with an optical output.
I too have an old Technics with optical and coaxial output, it actually has no DAC of it's own. I run it with a BPA? external DAC. The DAC was an exotic once but radiates a lot of RF a newer DAC would be cheaper and better. This one sounds fine but is probably inferior to a modern built-in DAC.
I have a Sony cdp -100 from 1988 with digital output on in. It has a 10 disc magazine and headphones lineout with volume control. I don't have a remote control for it but with it, it can be used as a preamp. It looks great, like new even. It plays well most of the time though a little service would cure it.
What CD did you use to demonstrate? I liked what little bit I heard.
The album is called "Right On the Money" by Cabo Frio. Great album!
I totally agree about the sound. It is a tad 'harsh' in the high range, powerful bass, and obviously it does not offer high end sound quality. It does - however - offer high end finish and materials and it truly does not look like a 1983 machine. Looking at it, my first guess would be mid-1990s. It was truly way ahead of it's time. I had also a Marantz CD-82 from similar period, and CDP 101 looks like a much younger machine in comparison (the CD-82 sounds much better, though :) ). Stunning piece, the 101, even with some early I-gen. flaws :)
What a nice unit, thank you for sharing.
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perlewitzaudio I would love to see more content like this!
There's more to come in the near future!
Nice review. What's the CD you put in ? sounds like nice pop oriented jazz funk fusion.
I think that "timer play", when on, will start playing when it is powered on. You could put the power cord on an electronic timer and have it come on at a certain time.
Yeah, I finally figured it out after playing with it for a while. It's kinda a neat little feature.
Nice looking unit👍🌿
The Grundig Fine Arts series had buttons without travel like that. (CD 903, CD 905, CD 9000)
Sorry but the CD is a 100% Philips invention that was licensed to Sony in order to create a world wide head start for the format. The first ever CD factory was located in Eindhoven the Netherlands close to the laboratory that invented the technology (Philips Natlab). First ever CD player was the Philips CD-100 but the Sony model was probably released earlier on to the market. Cheers.
Knobexploit music electronics No need to be sorry. You are 100% correct and I should have mentioned that in the video but got off topic a little bit in the direction of Sony. Phillips had the first player developed and Sony came out with this as their first version of the system on their side.
My backyard neighbour worked at Philips and got a CD-100 direct of the factory before they where on sale to the general public.
Knobexploit music electronics That’s a very cool little story! Knowing that he got the first player must have been a huge deal back then. I am very into these old players and love finding and collecting them. It was kinda hard finding this CDP-101 as they are pretty rare now, but I was lucky to purchase this in near mint condition. The door was stuck, but I lubed it all up and it worked great!
yes indeed, I had an y original PHILIPS 14 BIT! with MAgnavox name in the U.S. from the company store, in just a few years, the players got better and 1/3 the price, it moved FAST
These early players where the better ones ever made and have developed in to collectors items.
I’m using a ‘93 CDP-311. 5 bucks at a goodwill.
You should compare the DAC in that player compared to high end ones made now and see if they are conning us now, lol.
This wasn't the first CD player it was the first one marketed to the public .Philips had been working on CD players for 5 years the first prototype was in a elementary electronics magazine I had in 1977. They brought Sony onboard to fix the digital to analog converter it was buggy. Sony fixed it and only told other companies half the information giving themselves an unfair advantage. now you know the rest of the story!
capndavey1 thank you for clearing that up as my comment in the video was misleading.
I was lucky enough that summer my brother in law was having his speakers serviced next door to a Myer Emco stereo store .I knew they were the only store in the area that had Cd players.I was able to demo all 7 of the first generation CD players that day it was like I died and found god hehe
It was actually PHILIPS who invented cd and laserdisc technology!! Sony partnership with PHILIPS!!
Not one of the oldest, it's the only one in whole universe when it was released in 1st October 1982 "commercially".😊☝️
Later Philips CD100 launched in November 1982. "The second one" ( Even though development of both were going side by side in joint venturing deal. )😊✌️
Another interesting thing to note is how firstly the Dac bit rate changed. Usually aroind 8bit, max. Second thing to note are the early cds pre "loudness war". I have early cds that give a far better indication of a cds dynamic range when compared to a later release. Even compilations. Early 80s comps like hits 5 or hits 6, a particular one is life in the fast lane (80s perm rock compilation). Still sounds better than all the rereleased versions of the songs "today".
It grew out of the PHILIPS LASERDISC, which was actually analog, but the concept was all PHILIPS
APSS skip tracks was on my boom box back in 1982 sharp gf8989
I used to have one of these. Seeing that display brought back many happy memories !
All CD players from the early days had the same 2 problems
1) They could not accurately read the data stream at the rate required for playback
2) Keeping a stable clock and data rate in the DAC was frankly beyond digital electronics of the day
It took a further 15 years or so to sort out these problems
That probably explains the harsh sounds it makes at times, ha!
I was a buyer and general manager of a central London Store. I was also a Sony main agent. I personally brought two of these CD players. One was brand new and a brought a second grade B stock vita the Sony rep.
I stocked both machines and I preferred the Sony. The Philips was preferable to some people but it was decidedly unreliable.
I was told by the Sony Rep that Sony had got into bed with Phillips because of their ability to produce 16 bit chips where the Phillips was only 14 bit with a slightly softer sound.
They also wanted to set an Audio standard that would last.
Jeremy Travis (Teletape London)
A very neat story, thanks for sharing!
Sony learned their lesson from Beta versus VHS, so did PHILIPS, as PHILIPS pioneered cassette tape recording for video before VHS or Beta, but lousy marketing killed the V2000 system Philips pioneered, it was also a concept spun off the Philips compact Cassette for AUDIO which Philips introduced in the 1960's
the servo amps failed in alot of these and I have seen rather intuitive methods of repair over the years. Lucky yours is still going. I have the CDP-200/CDP-11s but it has a little plastic clip in the front that holds the CD tray from sliding backwards and jamming, its broken off in mine and missing. So I cant put a disc in it currently without it jamming up.
Yeah, I've heard about these issues arising in the early players like mine. I try not to use it all the time because of me being afraid of the failure. People say that it's due mostly to heat problems? If I do listen to this player, I will normally listen to just one CD through and then turn it off. I've seen the CDP-200s and really like the design of those as well.
Yup I would use my CDP-200 if it didn't have that broken piece as it has a redesigned servo amp stage. However, I have a Pioneer P-D70 which has a nearly identical DAC setup as the CDP-101, but one of the 2 filters is bad and noisy. its all epoxy sealed so I need to design a new 9th order butterworth to fix it. Then make 2 of them so they match. Yay fun.
I never knew that before, as I actually have been looking at P-D70s and was maybe seeing if I could get a clean one to collect as well. I understand that those are super rare too. That's super impressive how knowledgeable you are at these units as a lot of repairs like that are beyond me. I guess I got lucky buying this 101. I bought it as "broken" because the loading door wouldn't open after years of sitting. I just lubed up the little spring-loaded arm that locks the tray into place when it's closed and it started working perfectly again. It seems to read most CDs perfectly and has a really good clean sound to it. I reckon it's seen a pretty easy life.
You definitely got lucky, Looks like it was owned by somebody who takes care of their stuff. Chances are it was bought, used very little until the next hifi model came out and it was quickly replaced. I can tell because how fast it took off to read the disc tells me the laser has very few hours on it. Most CD players that age have been ridden into the ground and take a long time to read discs. Theres a lot that goes on in the beginning. the optical assembly has to obtain focus lock, tracking lock, and then the spindle has to obtain PLL lock to the disc itself using a CLV method, and then the TOC data gets read and parsed by the microcontroller. If this all happens within a second your laser is really good, and so are the servo circuits and its adjustments.
Well, I'm super happy to hear what you told me. I plan to keep it for a long time as a collector piece in my audio collection. I currently also have a 1985 Sony CDP-302 for the player that I use on a daily. I got her cheap and it has that high-speed linear access sled assembly that will skip to a track very quickly. The sound is quite a bit rounded too compared to the 101. Love both of them!
As other comments have said, yes Philips created the technology. Sony were the first to take the product to market. The "first cd player" is up for interpretation as of course Philips would have made a prototype in order to "sell their product" and new "technology" to other LEADING home audio manufacturers.
I'm glad that you mentioned that because others were making it sound that I was completely ignoring the relationship to Phillips due to my video title. So you are totally correct, thank you!
Not true at all
The success of the compact disc has been credited to the cooperation between Philips and Sony, who came together to agree upon and develop compatible hardware. The unified design of the compact disc allowed consumers to purchase any disc or player from any company, and allowed the CD to dominate the at-home music market unchallenged.
The Sony CDP-101, released in 1982, was the world's first commercially released compact disc player
Philips FIRST CD player was released in 1984
The Sony WAS the first one the philips came after. There is no opinion that changes documented fact .
Many confuse two things here ,CD player and the actual FORMAT which indeed was Philips not sony.
The hardware ,Sony was first with the cdp101
Philips brought to Sony a Working CD system, Sony was used for marketing, in teh U.S., where Philips didn't have a very big image, ...Philips invented teh Cd CD-R CD RW etc etc, and teh DVD and Blu Ray....the largest record company PHILIPS' PolyGram div made more CD's in Germany than anyone
cengeb I think the first publicly available CD was ABBA’s last album, “The Visitors”, on Polydor. Original pressings go for hundreds of dollars now!
Polydor being part of the PHILIPS PolyGram music div.
My family had a wholesale music/record business and Sony sent these out for free with Michael Jackson's Thriller cd. They had to convince record and cassette sellers to start the cd trend. I had it for years, it sounded awesome but eventually it developed problems and would skip a lot. And it was ridiculously big and heavy (it had a heat sink for crying out loud) and there were smaller options by the later 80s/90s.. Nonetheless I have fond memories of this tank of a player. I still like Sony products over most other companies designs.
did you ever have capacitor issues due to the age?
albertusj I surprisingly haven’t had any issues yet with the original caps, but I reckon that it would be worth it to replace them soon anyway as preventative maintenance.
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What is the song or album called??
Early Philips players were the top-loaders, to be clear.
Forgot the back panel...
Had one and it was nasty sounding, that brick wall low pass filter killed the sound.
Dec 82 Sound Magazine preview of the Sony CDP-101.
www.dropbox.com/s/fmemeax6vqkax6j/Sony_CDP101.pdf?dl=0
0MG , I have one of these , Thank you for the Info :) QC
It's my pleasure, thank you for watching :)
101 to 211 Sony are the best of the best single CD players . Now you down loader MP3 people , deal with major compression !
I had this player. The 90 degrees phase shift between the L/R channel is very noticeable (single DAC). Great player though! I have 3x Sony CDP-707ESD's (1988) which is the pinnacle of the CD playback systems.
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You have a cd rom style cd player. It's the same as mine just different brand technics same dacade as yours.
Amazing Sony.
Nice
Mine does not open?
A bad belt maybe?
Not the first Sony CD player, the first had a vertical door on the front that opened like a Discman on it's end.
I assume you are talking about the Goronta Prototype player that was pre-production to the CDP-101. Or maybe the first Phillips player that came a little before this player? Anyway, the title wasn't meant to be taken literally as There were a couple players out along with this one. This was ONE of the first market successful players of the early 80s.
Just so you all know...it does not play CD-R's or CD-RW's.
Can it still run Modern CDs burnt by a Pc ?
Yes.
@@Kafei1984 Wow. That seems really cool. Gotta get one.
Den Analog Filter herausnehmen, dann klingt er einigermaßen.
how about sony cdp 502es???
ludus tonalis that’s on my list to get next actually! With its high end DACs and copper chassis.
I have sony 502es
I'll wait your next review
see ya!
play a uhqcd on that beastly sony cd player. the 1st cd player and most stylish
This was the first CD player in the world, but not in the US.