McDonnell Douglas MD-11: Short documentary
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- The resilient MD-11 navigated headwinds. Despite challenges, its flexibility and efficiency carved an enduring niche in aviation.
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Great documentary! I like how you emphasized the point that it didn't just survive, but rather reinvented itself and thrived.
Thank you!
In Atlanta, mid-Oct. 1990, the day Delta held their outdoor ceremony accepting and placing into service their first MD-11, the airline I flew at operated a cargo B707 flight departing ATL during that ceremony. We were empty, and only a small fuel load returning to MIA. We put on a show for them with our old 707. Max power, rolling t/o, very short t/o roll, and V2 climbout to, I believe three, or five thousand feet. All before the departure end of the runway Tower loved it and said they didn't know an old plane like ours could do that. Delta's flt ops sent our flt ops a TELEX saying that those folks attending their MD-11 ceremony had yes, been quite duly thrilled, thank you!! The D.O. met us on arrival to MIA and said: "did you boys really do this right in front of all those people?" Surely someone must still be around in ATL that will remember that one.
I've flew on it only once, at the time it was the biggest plane I've ever traveled in, great plane, and the carrier services at the time were luxury compared to today's standards.
2:01 - If the folks at MD built a twinjet instead of a trijet, they may have enjoyed more success. The Boeing 777 and Airbus A330 really ate away at the market.
Alas after most of the passenger fleet were retired they still found good use as Freighters.
They didn't want to invest the money and misread the market so payed the price. They were busy wasting time on MD-12 program that was never gonna work. Definitely poor management at work here.
I'll always have a soft spot for the MD11.
First flight on an MD11 for me was with carrier Alitalia. Wonderful aircraft
OUTSTANDING video!!! I worked my TAIL OFF (pun intended) designing this airplane during my tenure at DAC - Douglas Aircraft Company. When the aircraft reached operational status, we encountered a problem with the first class toilets exploding, throwing you-know-what everywhere - Ha Ha!!!
What is your opinion on the oft stated issue that the horizontal stab was reduced in size to improve cruise performance, with the side effect that pitch authority was insufficient at very low speeds during landing...?
The shitters were redesigned from the DC-10? LOL Gotta upgrade everything. You must have had a great career with Douglas/McDonnell Douglas.
@PRH123, Pitch authority is not "insufficient", that's a common myth. The tail has a longer arm as well which reduces the "issue" of the smaller stab. Insufficient authority would be something like, you pull back, and nothing happens.
Well I always said the DC-10 was a shitbox with wings
Great one, flew the MD11 for 20 years at klm to the max, the greatest gift in my life. Love of my life❤
It turned out to be a huge flop for MD. They cheaped out rather than developing a new new twin widebody.
They had no money
A rehash of the 1970's globe trotter trijet. Basically an update on the DC10. ❤️
Yeah MD cheaped out rather than developing a twin widebody.
MD was more or less turned into the American Motors Co. of the jet building world.
As I have mentioned under another of your videos, I worked for McDonnell Douglas Commercial, decades ago, in Long Beach, CA. I was able to see the MD-11 take its maiden flight, out of Long Beach airport. It was very exciting to be there.
Company folklore included the story of the team at Long Beach wanting to develop, what was at one point, referred to as the Twin 10. Basically, a two engine DC-10, with the introduction of advanced engines and avionics etc. This was ahead of Boeing's 757. Douglas would have been the lead in twin engine widebody aircraft. McDonnell headquarters, in St. Louis, nixed the idea. Didn't want to risk the money. Huge mistake, obviously.
Also, I had to check on something in the interior of a Swiss Air MD-11 that was out on the flight line, about to be delivered. What a beautiful plane and interior, especially in First Class.
Is it possible to take off a trijet with only two engines ?
@@canerguener8664 That is a requirement of certification.
@@fomfom9779 Would this fact and/or a temporary switching on and off of the third engine make economic sense?
@@canerguener8664 I'm neither a pilot nor engineer. Some airlines have their pilots taxi with one engine shut down. But I can't imagine anyone intentionally shutting down a functioning engine while in flight.
@@fomfom9779 Thanks
Another interesting documentary, thank you. Whenever I see one of these great TriJets I think of poor old Freddie Laker .... A man ahead of his time, although I think he flew the DC10 version on his transatlantic bucketseat entrepreneurial adventures. Roger...Pembrokeshire, UK
Many thanks!
Thanks for a great overwiew of the MD11s history..
In my opinion the most beautiful aircraft ever built
Couldn't agree more!
Great documentary, well done!! I might have added a word on the NY-to-Geneva crash, it was not technically a design flaw of the aircraft though it impacted the program commercially. I love your channel!
Appreciating the intricacies of aviation history, including the pivotal moments like the NY-to-Geneva crash, adds depth to our understanding of aircraft legacies. Each event shapes the narrative of aviation progress. Speaking of which, are there any under-recognized events or aircraft that you think deserve more attention in aviation history?
Great documentary! Well researched to the point without any waffle, articulate. 👍🏼
Much appreciated!
Great video, on a great airplane with a bad reputation only made worse by the media .
I couldn't help noticing some of the video clips were DC10-10s; an apples and oranges comparison.
the media does have a significant impact on an aircraft’s reputation. The MD-11, in particular, has been a subject of discussion for various reasons. Your attention to the details regarding the aircraft used in the video clips is commendable. I thank you for pointing out the need for accurate representation.
I've always loved the MD11 💙💙💙
it’s always wonderful to hear from someone who has a special affection for an aircraft like the MD-11.
🙌🏼🙌🏼
There was also a combi version of which alitalita had and a md11C of which Martin Air had.
Northwest had dc10, not md11. Footage has some errors
This was supposed to be a "documentary" about the MD-11 but most of the video footage, was of the DC-10 or DC-10-30 /40. Northwest did not have MD-11's and neither did United, Hawaiian or SkyService. " Filler" footage is not good. When I had to do presentations in school, we were taught, to make sure that all visual aids had relevance to your oral presentation. Why show the DC-10 when talking about it's successor ? The DC-10 was McDonnell Douglas' worst nightmare and I was told that MD-11 was an attempt to erase some of that bad reputation. It didn't work, especially after the crash of Swissair 111. The reason why the MD-11 was more successful as a freighter, was because after this crash, many people got flashbacks to the disasters of the DC-10 and they didn't want to fly in this gussied up version of the Death Capsule. Also, I feel Boeing made a mistake by merging with them. McDonnell Douglas should have faded quietly into history..
Stumbled upon your videos a couple days ago, this is the best channel ive found in a long time, your videos are so good.
Loved that aircraft! 🙂
from an aestetic point of view I believe the DC10/MD11 is the most elegant airplane ever built.
Very good and interesting documentary, Thank you!
Smoothest butter landing for me was on a United DC-10
Incredibly good video. Great job. LOVE the MD-11!
Thank you very much!
What a great video. So much wonderful footage of KLGB.
Many thanks!
I flew 1st class on a VASP airlines MD-11 from São Paulo to Buenos Aires. Unforgettable!
Flying first class on the MD-11 must have been a remarkable experience, especially on such a storied route.
A very interesting documentary about a unique aircraft . I only flew in one once from FRA to KIX (Kansai) with JAL's J-Bird themed fleet . The horizontal stabiliser was much narrower than the DC-10 which posed unique landing characteristics and challenges for pilots , faster landings than one might expect . Nonetheless it is marvellous to see this 'bird' still flying with the aforementioned cargo carriers though here the B777F and the more recent A350F may see many of these flying one way to Mojave .
Very well done, this documentary.
Subbed with gusto.
EXCELLENT synopsis my friend. Well done. Very thorough explanation of this amazing airplane
Glad you liked it!
Left out of the narrative was the increase of ETOPS for heavy twins that spelled the death of the -11. Little known was that B-777 was originally considered as a tri-jet, but Boeing decided instead to lobby for the increase between suitable alternates for twins...a strategy which ultimately doomed both tri and quad jets. I flew the -11 for six years, and while it was a joy to fly there were some limits in range (i.e. DFW-NRT) and maintenance was problematic.
Love the narration 👍
Thank you
Very interesting.
A pilot’s airplane…. The avionics are still impressive.
A well done documentry...nice voice-over too!
Glad you liked it!
Doing well. You may have work as a voice actor. You have an excellent story telling voice and cadence. You may have been able to keep them in airline service…20 years ago.
Wait, we went from piston powered propeller airliners straight to the MD-11(that was a flawed failure)?
Don’t forget the one the Swiss air had that caught fire in bturned up next to the entertainment package on board. That’s always a good flight.
It was a miracle they managed to haul your fat carcass out of the wreckage..
@@tumslucks9781 you know it’s funny I’m not even fat. Wow, you’re blind too
Indeed, the MD-11’s legacy is complex and marked by both technological advances and notable incidents. The Swissair tragedy is a stark reminder of the importance of safety in aviation design.
I fly a 757 but see many MD-11 on the ramp too, they are very large when you walk past them,
The MD-11’s impressive presence on the tarmac is a testament to the ambitious design and engineering of its era. It’s fascinating to hear from a pilot’s perspective how these aircraft feel up close.
What about the DC-10? That IS essentially what the MD-11 is.
I flew both the 10 and the 11 and the difference was huge. Outward appearance was similar, but the 11 was 100,000 pounds heavier and state of the art avionics. While the 10 had a Flight Engineer the 11 was a two-pilot aircraft (that by itself saved the operator $1m/yr). Range was almost a 1000nm longer.
Nice documentary!
The MD11 is a really nice looking airliner, too bad it left much earlier than it should have...
Another great video 👍 this is my fourth one on your channel and I’ve loved them all on some of my favorite planes like the L1011 MD11 and hoping to see my Queen of the skies soon ✈️ great job 👍 ya got another subscriber ✈️
Mine too!
Delta had these gone not long after they retired their L1011s , which had been in their fleet around 18 years prior
The DC-10, The Plane of Death.
whats interesting is that mcdonnell douglas tried ANOTHER trijet design after passenger variants of the md-11 ceased production. The MD-XX design study tried to further perfect their trijet formula. this passenger plane would be comparable to a a340-600 but with 3 engines instead of the a340's 4 engines. Although some airlines where interested mcdonnell douglas canceled the project in 1996 and later merged with boeing in 1997.
your insights into the MD-XX trijet design are fascinating and speak to the constant innovation within the aviation industry. It’s interesting to consider what could have been if the MD-XX project had come to fruition, potentially changing the landscape of commercial aviation.
WHY modify the DC-10 ??
WHERE are your engineering comparison charts of DC-10 to MD-11 ???
Monopod with and I will tell you this is a very very well done short documentary
Your feedback means the world to me, Gaittr! It’s wonderful to hear that you found the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 documentary well-done. I’m thrilled that the hard work is resonating with you. Stay tuned for more, and I hope to keep bringing stories that capture your interest and passion for aviation!
This lady narration was the Best for a amerikan, well worded, easy to be under-standing, verry. compre-Hén-sivé
Thank you for the compliment on the narration style. It’s great to hear that the effort to make the content accessible and engaging is appreciated.
Vasp and Varig... what a time, as it was today
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You gotta love that tail flutter
The MD-11 was a marvel created by excellent engineers. The most serious problem it faced was that the executives at Long Beach were even more bad than the engineers were good! This resulted in MDC bankruptcy.
Then Boeing acquired MDC, hiring the engineers ...and the executives!!! This explains why the 787 and the 737 Max had so many problems!
MD-11 "created"? It's a DC-10 with bigger engines and winglets. 🙄
@@ktl4539 Not quite. There were many other differences. A "glass" cockpit is just one of them. Wingspan was wider. Tail was a little smaller. Overall length was increased. Same with MTOW. Just to name a few...
Americans reward mediocrity.
I flew one of United’s last DC-10’s in passenger service, DEN-SEA it was the worst plane, ceiling panels flew out and landed on passengers heads. The DC10 death plane they only recreated.
Working on the ramp with DC10, the rear door was crap. Manual rear cargo door had to use a 2x4 to close the doors. Never safe.
The DC-10’s history certainly had its share of design challenges that tested the aviation industry.
A compromised airplane that was notoriously difficult to land smoothly due to the horizontal tailplane having been reduced in size to decrease drag and gain efficiency. Relatively high minimum landing speeds reduced the margin for error. Not an airplane to celebrate.
Is it same for 727 ?
And now its merger with Boeing is now killing Boeing itself. Thanks McDonnell Douglas! Your prioritization of profit over safety is leaving only a single contender, Airbus!
A twin jet version was possible.
They did in the 70s with the DC-10 twin, but they were restricted by the 60 minute rule, so no airlines showed any interest and the proposal coming at the time of the 70s oil crisis.
One of my favorite jetliners but half the time I flew on it, something went wrong with one of the engines.
Your mixed experiences with the MD-11 highlight the complexities of aviation and the delicate balance between design and functionality. Sorry about your experience tho 😕
I flew alot with MD11 Swissair and than with todays swiss as it retired and replaced with airbus and today 777
What a journey
Boeing had this plane in its sights with the 777. And once the buyout was completed, the MD11 was gone.
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Passengers loved the MD-11. Pilots and airlines hated that plane.
It was basically a version of The Death Plane, the horrible DC-10.
The MD-11 was indeed an evolution of the DC-10.
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When talking about wings, show the wings but instead its like random slide show... 😮😮😮
Douglas and Boeing both, were rather brilliant engineering cultures. When the bean counters took the reins, both became a business culture, and the demise was sealed. Douglas and later MD, revolutionized air transport, but still could not survive? It is telling of the nature of American business culture and its priorities.
American business culture gave us great companies and the inventions of these companies. American business built a huge, modern aircraft industry.
Capitalism rules, freedom rules, America rules!
Even if they could of figured out a way to put 2 big engines on it Boeing would of still cancelled it because it would be similar in size to there 777 but at least Boeing still puts the DC 10 nose on the C 17
Nose landing gear you mean, I think?
They out 'hea sayin'
sometimes all it takes is a few words to capture the sentiment of a situation or an opinion, and you’ve done just that. It’s always good to hear from someone with a straightforward take on things.
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First, I really enjoyed the video, however I think you may have overstated the grandeur of an airliner that is generally considered a monumental failure.
Thanks for the tips!
Well presented but at least half or more of your footage are DC-10’s.
I thank you for your attentive eye.
Short life bird
The MD11 was already obsolete by the time it made its first flight, McDonnell Douglas should’ve opted for a twin engined configuration but then again that would have entailed embarking on a brand new design.
Your insight into the MD-11’s design debate highlights the ever-present challenge of technological advancement versus time.
It seems like the airlines loved it, or hated it. There was no in-between.
loved by some and less so by others very true
I still don’t get why the MD-11 works so well in cargo when the L-1011 didn’t.
A friend who was a Captain on the L1011 and later on the DC10 told me that the manner in which the floor was installed on the L1011 presented issues during the passenger to freighter conversions. I suspect (my opinion) that the DC10s being far more abundant made it a more desirable option, as spare parts would be easier to come by. Additionally (my opinion again), the MD11s would at some point be converted, from passenger to freighter, which from a standpoint of continuity made the DC10 MD11 platform more desirable.
@@johnmagan7266 Interesting. I recall only one carrier (to my knowledge) that used the L-10’s as freighters (Kalitta Air) back in the day.
She's w'd gave more success if it appears 5 years ago into the market. MD waited too much time to replace the DC-10
Timing can indeed make a huge difference in an aircraft’s success.
DC 11
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It was the DC10 first
no, the dc10 is a different aircraft
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Don't bounce the MD-11 when you land. Often ends badly.
Yikes
Swissair Flight 111 was an excellent example of why it wasn’t even developed for pax service, everything was rushed and done fast…
I find it strange that Boeing manufactured MD-11s too. Thats kind of like Ford motor company building corvettes😂😂😂
Boeing purchased McDonald-Douglas, they were one company by that time.
Yeah the McDonnell Douglas MD-11 was doomed before it had left the ground for the 1st time as the market for a wide body tri-jet was dying off in the 1980s and was destroyed by the 1990s
Realistically the fact that is it still going as a freighter is probably more down to McDonnell Douglas being clever enough to see a need for tri-jet freighter to replace the older DC -10s
It’s impressive how it filled the niche left by the DC-10s
The MD-11 is essentially a DC-10, an updated version of the DC-10 the series proved the be very successful with just under 650 of the giant wide body aircraft sold... certainly much more successful than any British jet.
Until the Swiss Air disaster
It collapsed cause of the hip hop mentality, hired workers from Compton, linwood, Inglewood, those workers walking down the isles wearing Fila jumpsuit, oblivious to the workings of a schedule used uaw local 148 as their safety net to protect their jobs, I worked their seen drug deals, drug use on the aircraft mostly supervision, coke was very prevalent, no one gave a fk, tools and materials blatantly walked out of the plant stolen, guards never checked employees walking out at the gates, epic fail, the employee suggestion I placed fell on Def ears, they used half of bldg 12 to assemble the engine 2 section, my suggestion was to eliminate it all together and concentrate on building a wide body two engine design, which is what we have today smh till this day, brainless executives never listened!
Are you talking about MD or Boeing?
@@ericshang7744 that was Douglas back in the day its now boeing
I thought they were know for the fan disk coming apart and taking out all the hydraulic system and it’s back up.
The MD-11’s history with its hydraulic system indeed left a mark
Dreadful aircraft take the DC10 and make even worse. Flew on once back not long after it was introduced the electrical system kept tripping out as soon as it was pushed back from the gate I vowed never again.
KILL THE ANNOYING MUSIC DRONING ON IN THE BACKGROUND.
I fly in DC 10 in Air Liberté :)
I whas children :)
Air Liberté and the DC-10 are part of many such cherished memories. What was it about the DC-10 that made those flights memorable for you as a child?
Outdated video from the 2000s
The Death Plane Part 2
Lol
Born from the biggest killer ever invented DC-10, the stone cold killa
i hope that fedex cancels the md-11 retaiermeant
SIA killed the MD11
This "reads" just like a Puff Piece.
Yikes 😳
The airline business is fraught with economic complications. A design for the market of one route model, is incompatible with the route reorganization, a few years later. Also the reason why the 747 was phased out of passenger service, and the A380 was an market dud, dead on arrival, though nothing technically wrong with the plane. Add any otherwise minor technical short coming, such as mentioned with the MD11, and now you're playing with a major handicap, which may have been tolerable in the past.
Saying the MD11 is an upgraded DC10, is the same as saying a F20 is the same as a F5, or a modern F16 has the same as the ones made in the early 1980s. The same basic airframe does not make it the same plane. Look at the 737-MAX, as an example of how a formerly great plane, can be turned into a problem.
Shame it kept crashing like the DC-10 😂
While the MD-11 had its challenges, it also marked a significant period in aviation
It wasn't as dangerous as the DC10 which most people don't want to understand
You breath too much... Some of these things are easy to edit
Sorry
It's a DC-10 with different engines. 🙄
you’re right; the MD-11 is indeed based on the DC-10, with notable enhancements including different engines, improved aerodynamics, and advanced avionics.
If they released that plane in the early 80s, it would have been successfull. But it came at a wrong time and was destined to fail
It's intriguing to consider how timing affects the success of an aircraft model. There are many factors, including market conditions and technological advancements, that can influence the outcome.
McDonnell Douglas Quality Control was less to be desired..
Quality control in aviation is critical, and your point underscores the industry’s ongoing journey towards improvement. It’s conversations like these that push for higher standards. What advancements in quality control do you find most promising in recent years
@@dontdeletehistory Boeing right up until the merger of McDonnell Douglas had an excellent reputation for quality control and the culture was built around excellence in production standards and continuous improvements to product delivery & safety. This changed after the merger with M.D whereby M.D executives were brought in (as part of the merger deal) and with it culture started to change and the result of that we started failures with the 737 MAX that ultimately cost the lives of passengers & 787 production issues. The very first 787 wasn't a prototype but was a mere shell built for promotional purposes to introduce a new aircraft. Again this whole scenario reminds me of the M.D days where they had issues with DC - 10 that resulted in lives lost.