Hey there. I hsve been looking for that video for about 2 weeks. Very helpful information, real great. Thank you, thank you. I never imagined it was like that. Thank you for your pretty good explanation
Maybe I missed it but I’m assuming you’re doing this because you’ve got another patio under the deck you’re trying to keep dry or is there another reason you would do this?
Really nice work! Very detailed video and very helpful even for us contractors that are experienced with decks. Where do you get the epdm membrane? What thickness is it?
Have you ever tried getting a monster piece of EPDM, stretch it tight across the ledger with extra hanging off at both ends, and then start in the middle (troughing the slope) and work your way out on both sides? I figure it would save you a shit ton of time and no need for caulk. Just a thought cuz I’m about to do this exact same thing on my deck to cover my monster 3’x8’ under deck drawers I wanna keep dry.
Thank You for the Great Video! I'm wondering if you run into issues keeping your decking flat when applied over the membrane? I have a deck that I'm thinking about doing this to, however I would only apply the membrane to half of the deck for dry space below. With the membrane doubled up on each joist along with the GTape, I would guess the total thickness would be close to 1/8" or so? Would you see or notice any waving on the decking boards from the transition of dry space to no dry space or would I most likely have to shim the boards over the non dry space to get rid of wavy board issues in my field?
Hey Doc! I’m finishing installing EPDM membrane and I’m facing a difficulty flashing external corner of the house (wrap-around deck). How do you resolve external corners situations? Do you use G-tape or some other product? You always come up with the most elegant solutions, so I‘m sure you have a corner flashing hack. Please please share!
So I've talked to people that use this kind of trough for a second story deck and several of them complained about how sediment and such (like leaves, etc) builds up after a while and can clogs some of it.
Not ideal for high humid heat areas, as it traps moisture under the membrane and ground, timber is therefore exposed to this moisture vs having airflow and no membrane. rather use psa adhesive membrane strip along the the top edge of the bearers, so easy to apply as it’s off a roll like masking tape. Last long
Very inventive and informing. I’m in the process of building my own deck (not in your area!) and I’ve found your videos helpful. Question not related to the membrane, but weather related: do you find it’s a problem to install, level, plumb, and back fill the cardboard concrete sonotubes but it might rain for a few days before you’re able to actually pour the concrete?
I was wondering if you put a 1/4” slope on your deck and sheeted it with plywood then the blatter and strips on top do you think it will work for the decking?
I am doing this method to waterproof my deck. EPDM is not cheap. How do I calculate material accurately? I have 12" centers over a 12' span. I am using 2x10s and would be ideal to have at least 1/4" fall per ft. It Looks like I want 2" min per side extra to overlap. so at the top maybe 15" and at the end for 3" fall about what, 21"? If correct I should need about 30'x12' of liner for a 20'x12' deck?
For a deck on the ground i imagine you wouldn’t want to do this because you’d be trapping dampness under the deck and the joists would stay wet all the time. Am i right on that?
Good morning. Thank you for your videos. They have proven to be very helpful and inspiring. I am about to waterproof my deck with EPDM liner this weekend and I am wondering if I should ad a bead of caulk on each floor joist before I lay down the liner. I plan on doing four bays in one piece. Also, what do you use to fasten the baffle. Thank you for your assistance.
Subscribing, first time watching any of your videos, so do you always do one bay at a time? I recently did a small deck and used this method ( never done it before) I did 10' sections what a pain in the ass that was, my deck didn't have to be 100% water proof just needed to keep the water away from the house, any how nice to see a pro do it, looking forward to more of your videos.
Looks like there are various spots with one, two, and three layers of pond liner. Is level decking ever a concern where there are two or more overlapping layers or is it not noticeable after the decking is in place?
I was wondering the same thing - I slowed down the video at 5:54 and was able to figure out that it is Henry brand 900 Flashing and Construction Sealant: henry.com/retail/repair-sealants/900-flashing-and-construction-sealant-gray
The only quandary I have run into is.... if we have a leaking penetrative atop, thru the epdm, and the water gets thru and gets caught up, it's gunna permanently make the PT wet, especially those fall areas. And wet wood that can't dry out will rot. It's just a matter of time. PT or not. The only solution I can think of is a nice paint on waterproof ahead of these systems, to protect the wood. But I have struggler with straggler leakers.that I can't pinpoint to service or seal. Such a pain in the butt, these waterproof systems. I've done several and always seem to have some issue.
You can just buy corrugated roofing and install it underneath. It's made in many different colors to match decks and doesn't look like trash bags hanging from the deck.
What about electrical? This is really meant to be finished and it allows you to run lighting. You'd probably only leave it exposed if you just didn't care or it was an area that wouldn't be seen.
Great video! I'm looking for waterproofing my deck so that I can use the space underneath. It is going to be 9-12 ft off the ground. Before I came across this video I was thinking of putting a metal roof underneath and draining that into the gutter. But wondering what is the life of the rubber material. I live in Texas where the temperatures can go very high beyond 110F in the summers and below -10F in the winters. And also sometimes 30F fluctuations in a day. Wondering if the rubber material would become brittle and deteriorate in few years. Any comments on this?
@@drdecks ponds and lakes with this stuff ... the stuff is on the bottom surface, covered by sand, rock, water, etc. Doesn't answer the question of exposure to dry heat over time ... ?
In watching some of your other deck builds, you did a deck using Dexter Dry a while back. Did you not use that system on this build because of all of the curves? Good job!
@@drdecks Так держать! Приятно смотреть, когда люди качественно делают свою работу. И, да, лучше работать на свежем воздухе, чем сидеть дома в четырех стенах.
@@crhu319 I don't understand the implications of having an area considered "impervious". Add also, going to try this system with camo hidden fasteners this week. Fingers crossed.
Hey, next time show what you're describing, don't just talk about it. Frames, dams, blocking, bridges, gutters, etc. We need to see, not just hear about them.
Am I the only one thinking, he looks like hes on the third story deck, with no railing.... he's a licensed contractor, and no safety equipment on, shooting a youtube video..... ummmm. great idea, but darwin awards 101?
The worlds a dangerous place. I am guessing he is aware of this and is willing to accept the risk. Personal empowerment and responsibility. What a concept! No ‘Uncle Sam’ telling him how to live. And the Darwin Awards are for truly stupid individuals. Then again I suppose you think a person wanting to climb a tree is a truly stupid individual.
Thanks for paying Calvin to take such good videos. He is doing a good job! You have a good crew.
Karl thanks for subscribing
Dude, your pencil holder is insane! Love it.
Hey @drdecks, just wondering if you have a video of the gutter system you use for this. Thanks man,
Keep pushing the bar!
Hey there.
I hsve been looking for that video for about 2 weeks.
Very helpful information, real great.
Thank you, thank you.
I never imagined it was like that.
Thank you for your pretty good explanation
Thank you for this informative waterproof deck system. Will you please provide a link on how to build a gutter system from deck below.
Thanks for this video. Trex Rainscapes is outlandishly expensive. This is a better option for me.
Maybe I missed it but I’m assuming you’re doing this because you’ve got another patio under the deck you’re trying to keep dry or is there another reason you would do this?
the returns are genius brother
What mil EPDM are you using? What size liner do you typically order?
Very simple yet effective. I’ll be putting this down on my deck when I begin my build. Thanks
Really nice work! Very detailed video and very helpful even for us contractors that are experienced with decks. Where do you get the epdm membrane? What thickness is it?
Have you ever tried getting a monster piece of EPDM, stretch it tight across the ledger with extra hanging off at both ends, and then start in the middle (troughing the slope) and work your way out on both sides? I figure it would save you a shit ton of time and no need for caulk. Just a thought cuz I’m about to do this exact same thing on my deck to cover my monster 3’x8’ under deck drawers I wanna keep dry.
Thank You for the Great Video! I'm wondering if you run into issues keeping your decking flat when applied over the membrane? I have a deck that I'm thinking about doing this to, however I would only apply the membrane to half of the deck for dry space below. With the membrane doubled up on each joist along with the GTape, I would guess the total thickness would be close to 1/8" or so? Would you see or notice any waving on the decking boards from the transition of dry space to no dry space or would I most likely have to shim the boards over the non dry space to get rid of wavy board issues in my field?
Hey Doc! I’m finishing installing EPDM membrane and I’m facing a difficulty flashing external corner of the house (wrap-around deck). How do you resolve external corners situations? Do you use G-tape or some other product? You always come up with the most elegant solutions, so I‘m sure you have a corner flashing hack. Please please share!
Wooow !!! Awesome, just perfect for what I needed !! I’m so happy I found your video
So I've talked to people that use this kind of trough for a second story deck and several of them complained about how sediment and such (like leaves, etc) builds up after a while and can clogs some of it.
Just like eaves... You'll have to clean them once a year or so...
Not ideal for high humid heat areas, as it traps moisture under the membrane and ground, timber is therefore exposed to this moisture vs having airflow and no membrane. rather use psa adhesive membrane strip along the the top edge of the bearers, so easy to apply as it’s off a roll like masking tape. Last long
hey dr decks, how did you make measurements for the "pie shaped" bladders? any tips?
Can you explain or show how it drains into the gutter? Just curious how this system compares to Trex rain escape
Very inventive and informing. I’m in the process of building my own deck (not in your area!) and I’ve found your videos helpful. Question not related to the membrane, but weather related: do you find it’s a problem to install, level, plumb, and back fill the cardboard concrete sonotubes but it might rain for a few days before you’re able to actually pour the concrete?
Bob Huber it could. I would set the sonno tubes the day of the pour
Great job.was looking forward to the blatter
I was wondering if you put a 1/4” slope on your deck and sheeted it with plywood then the blatter and strips on top do you think it will work for the decking?
How do you combine this with blocking on the deck? Use blocking shorter than the joists so the drainage can still sink?
How wil lyou allow cleaning of debris build up? Even gutters get plugged with build up and need to be cleaned twice annually.
Hi, great job
would this work with a wood deck or just trex? you mentioned water sits on top of the bladder, would that rot out wood?
Can you share how you cut each trough for the rolls?
Thanks, I am going to give it a try today
Supper helpful! Do you put the hidden fastener deck clips for the decking straight through the membrane?
I am doing this method to waterproof my deck. EPDM is not cheap. How do I calculate material accurately? I have 12" centers over a 12' span. I am using 2x10s and would be ideal to have at least 1/4" fall per ft. It Looks like I want 2" min per side extra to overlap. so at the top maybe 15" and at the end for 3" fall about what, 21"? If correct I should need about 30'x12' of liner for a 20'x12' deck?
Thank you so much to share your knowledge
For a deck on the ground i imagine you wouldn’t want to do this because you’d be trapping dampness under the deck and the joists would stay wet all the time. Am i right on that?
Does this have the potential to reduce the decking lifeapan? Seems like this system would greatly reduce airflow under the deck.
Or some pooling for mosquitoes
Thanks for all the awesome videos. Any tip on using the pool liner system with fortress steel beams? The stapler obviously wont work! Thanks
I haven’t tried that yet. Great question!
setting up this system from underneath of an existing deck ? i was thinking staple up same way and add strips of wood to support weight
Good morning. Thank you for your videos. They have proven to be very helpful and inspiring. I am about to waterproof my deck with EPDM liner this weekend and I am wondering if I should ad a bead of caulk on each floor joist before I lay down the liner. I plan on doing four bays in one piece. Also, what do you use to fasten the baffle. Thank you for your assistance.
Can I use TyPar house wrap instead of expensive rubber?
My roof supplier said epdm leaves a objectionable oder like an inner tubes smell in his deck area that his wife hates. Ever have this issue?
Subscribing, first time watching any of your videos, so do you always do one bay at a time? I recently did a small deck and used this method ( never done it before) I did 10' sections what a pain in the ass that was, my deck didn't have to be 100% water proof just needed to keep the water away from the house, any how nice to see a pro do it, looking forward to more of your videos.
Looks like there are various spots with one, two, and three layers of pond liner. Is level decking ever a concern where there are two or more overlapping layers or is it not noticeable after the decking is in place?
Barely noticeable. To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.
What about winter and freezing water? Any issues that can happen?
What Mill EPDM pond liner are you using?
Maybe you can add links in the future so you get affiliate links???
Starting my bladder this week - can you detail the wall/joist bladder connection? thanks
Whats the thickness of the pond liner you use? I rather do this than buy the trex system. Thanks!
How do you use a track saw to make nice cuts when there are picture frames in the deck? I'm afraid to cur the rubber.
What kind of caulk do you use? And what are the baffles made of?
I was wondering the same thing - I slowed down the video at 5:54 and was able to figure out that it is Henry brand 900 Flashing and Construction Sealant:
henry.com/retail/repair-sealants/900-flashing-and-construction-sealant-gray
how do u collect the water into gutters
Hey @Drdecks what did you use for the the gutter system?
Hi Dr. Deck, do you have the final product of this work. Just wondering how the final deck looks.
Thank you gave me great ideas, and stay up to code
What type of caulk being used on epdm between layers
Is that a special caulk you use?
How wide do you make strips if it’s a square 16” centre? Extra 4 inches?
Thanks!
Can you use rubber roofing membrane instead of pond liner?
Quick clarifying question.
On flat blocking do you put down the G-Tape before the EPDM or after? Or both?
Sarc3130 after
I saw at the store a 45 mil rubber roof membrane. Is that the same as pond liner?
The only quandary I have run into is.... if we have a leaking penetrative atop, thru the epdm, and the water gets thru and gets caught up, it's gunna permanently make the PT wet, especially those fall areas. And wet wood that can't dry out will rot. It's just a matter of time. PT or not. The only solution I can think of is a nice paint on waterproof ahead of these systems, to protect the wood. But I have struggler with straggler leakers.that I can't pinpoint to service or seal.
Such a pain in the butt, these waterproof systems. I've done several and always seem to have some issue.
Flat* not fall areas
Is there an outside caulk and inside caulk?
Is there a cheaper 3" or 4" rubberized bytul tape that I can use on trex rainescape? Trex bytul tape is like $65 for 50'... ouch!
Always flash with alluminum to prevent future damage of rubber membrane or from melting from cigarette and sharp objects or animals
Can you use PVC or polypropylene pond liner?
You can just buy corrugated roofing and install it underneath. It's made in many different colors to match decks and doesn't look like trash bags hanging from the deck.
What about electrical? This is really meant to be finished and it allows you to run lighting. You'd probably only leave it exposed if you just didn't care or it was an area that wouldn't be seen.
@@jc9923 The corrugated roofing is the finishing underneath. What's your plan to finish the bottom of this deck?
@@jc9923 you can run rigid conduit for electrical under the metal roofing
Great video! I'm looking for waterproofing my deck so that I can use the space underneath. It is going to be 9-12 ft off the ground. Before I came across this video I was thinking of putting a metal roof underneath and draining that into the gutter. But wondering what is the life of the rubber material. I live in Texas where the temperatures can go very high beyond 110F in the summers and below -10F in the winters. And also sometimes 30F fluctuations in a day. Wondering if the rubber material would become brittle and deteriorate in few years. Any comments on this?
They make ponds and lakes out of this stuff
@@drdecks ponds and lakes with this stuff ... the stuff is on the bottom surface, covered by sand, rock, water, etc. Doesn't answer the question of exposure to dry heat over time ... ?
I would think that stuff would trap a ton of heat in that lumbar no? Trapping moisture? Idk
love your videos
In watching some of your other deck builds, you did a deck using Dexter Dry a while back. Did you not use that system on this build because of all of the curves? Good job!
Karl yes. We can’t use Dexerdry on curves.
But the deck boards will still rot sitting on the rubber, just as if they were sitting on the deck supports.
How? If the water can't penetrate the rubber membrane?
Is 6 inches really enough to go up under the siding where it meets the house?
I think so.
what exactly the name the materials? some the call traw or EPDM POND LINER?
How would you flash a stone home
Mosquitoes love this one trick!
Did you say you’re also using dexerdry? Can you use hidden fasteners still?
You need to face screw the boards and use FastenMaster Cortex hidden plugging system
Hi there DrDecks, If I use EPDM can I install the decking with a Camo tool? Screws would be installed hidden from the edge.
GoGo Bot not sure. Contact Camo to see if there’s any concern doing this.
Can you do this with simple plastic sheets?
no plastic deteriorates quickly - leave a sheet out for the summer to see
How much drop do you run over 20 foot?
Wondering if you guys are still going to be able to work with the stay home order in place ?
Carsten Grove we will still work.
Thanks for asking.
@@drdecks Так держать! Приятно смотреть, когда люди качественно делают свою работу. И, да, лучше работать на свежем воздухе, чем сидеть дома в четырех стенах.
How do you make the baffles that you installed?
Are you in Maryland?
caulk or glue?
doesn't that system make the area under deck to be counted as impervious then?
Shhhh
@@crhu319 I don't understand the implications of having an area considered "impervious". Add also, going to try this system with camo hidden fasteners this week. Fingers crossed.
The prior homeowner where I live did something similar to this - HORRIBLE idea if you live in the woods. Horrible…
where can buy your hammer ?
Why did you overlap the material so much? Looks like you could have saved a lot of material...
What brand G-Tape do you use?
GTape is the brand I use.
This in Tacoma?
CoryTrevor2 lake Tapps
Never leave rubber as the revail
What is the thickness of the blatter?
Will Lyons .040
What mil thickness is the edpm?
Bulldog FIT I believe it’s .040 or .060
drdecks thank you for the reply. You guys are unbelievably talented and so much help as I am currently renovating my deck.
Why wouldn't you use one continuous piece?
Because each piece is cut wider at one end so it hangs lower and drains the water away from the building.
Does it look like the Doctor is always decking in cold weather.
He is in Western WA. Only Alaska would be worse.
I don't RECOMMENDED for snow and freezing water.
I'm not sure when you need a waterproof deck. Maybe if you want a dry space below.
10tenman10 exactly, need dry, useable space underneath
yeah maybe you're onto something
You'd only need it for dry space under elevated decks.
everyone reply with your favorite EPMD song ....
Strictly Business
The Joint
Crossover
custom decking comes more than 20' long on special order. Just sayin.
I see sitting water puddles....looking like mosquito nesting
Hey, next time show what you're describing, don't just talk about it. Frames, dams, blocking, bridges, gutters, etc. We need to see, not just hear about them.
If you don’t know what those are you prot should try to be doing it yourself, hire a professional
Feel privileged that he’s even showing this at all for FREE
Why does he keep saying “cauLk”?
Because he doesn't wanna say Cock 🍆
I can see those in like 5 years being chock full of dirt, plantlife, and algae.
Go aluminum much better.
Am I the only one thinking, he looks like hes on the third story deck, with no railing.... he's a licensed contractor, and no safety equipment on, shooting a youtube video..... ummmm. great idea, but darwin awards 101?
yes
The worlds a dangerous place. I am guessing he is aware of this and is willing to accept the risk. Personal empowerment and responsibility. What a concept! No ‘Uncle Sam’ telling him how to live. And the Darwin Awards are for truly stupid individuals. Then again I suppose you think a person wanting to climb a tree is a truly stupid individual.
How you gonna get workmans comp .if your wearing safety equipment. You'll never get hurt.
I bet you're one of those sheep driving alone in a vehicle with a mask & gloves...