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E-tune contact : youtube@bdalchemist.com some very basic difference between 4g63 which uses an iron block and 4b11 which is the modern aluminum block. 4b11 dry sleeves vs wet sleeves.
I own a 09 X 77000km
400hp at engine
Driven Evo 7 and 8
Here is my general experience
The 4g simply feels more raw and brutal with sudden boosting feels very strong but definitely feel the lag and sluggishness in the lower rpms
The Evo X feels definitely more refined less brutal more consistent torque and power band through the revs
The turbo lag is minimal and car responds so rapidly to boost and picks up speed to fast it’s shocking After fast it spools and slams through the gears
It’s by far the more advanced faster and more reliable engine.
Great information. Quick break down was very informational. Now we know what needs to be done to our 4b11 to make em go fast.
Fuel injectors, upgrade the clutch ,and larger intercooler is pretty much all you need to make 500-700
Let's be honest the 4g63 is the best engine Mitsubishi ever made 💯
The 6g series isn't half bad but yeah, 4g is King. Best all around 4 cylinder out of Japan imho
No my brother, you mean the best 4 cylinder engine ever made.
@@4G63FD i agree with you on that but there are ppl that would say different
Everyone I see who talk bad or doubt the 4G is king, are people who dont REALLY know the 4G. When you take one apart and show them all the inner goodness of one, they all change their minds.
@@4G63FD yeah it's my favorite engine ever made and I plan on building a few for my dream cars
My 4B11 is the same setup as that one, with the Darton sleeves. Borg Warner 8374 twin scroll, 93 octane, AMS TMP cams, fully built... 600 HP/400TQ at 27 PSI, takes it no problem, I’ve done some pretty wild shit in the snow full throttle for like 2 minutes straight and it got toasty under the hood, but didn’t phase it, built Jacks transfer case. The problem is the tranny, they’re real easy to kill. Diffs are real strong. If the tranny were stronger, the Evo X would be one if the best platforms for making huge power and hooning around
agreed. he weight is the biggest issue i feel. the car and its components have a much better life expectancy below 3000lb
Thank you for this video, I'm just getting into Evos in preparation for buying one and videos like these are helping me with good in depth info.
There’s also another option for the 4b11
Cylinder support systems. It makes the simiopen deck to a closed deck. Can probably do 1000 hp on stock sleeves with a ccs block if your making close to 800 on simiopen and it cheap
I do not know of any options other then dry sleeves = open deck , wet sleeves = closed deck, or block guard = which is open deck with support. Would u be able to send me a link to an example of what ur talking about ?
I bought a lancer race car with a 4b11 NA motor in it. I sent it to a machine shop to have work done and discovered that the crankshaft is NOT a 4b11 crank. The rod journals are measuring 1.8882 which seems to be close to the 4G63 crank size. Is it possible to fit a 4g63 crank in a 4b11 block?
It's interesting you love the Darton. A big head gasket manufacturer was telling me it's junk and just because it's the most popular doesn't mean it's the best sleeve.
Possibly the better of the bunch is the 4g63 but no lie that 4b11 can still
Make some impressive numbers when built 👏
I just had my dry sleeves drop.
1000kms later they all dropped 2 thou even
Letting hg blow.
Ive just decked it back flush so hopefully its good again.
Next time im going wet sleeves
Sorry to hear that. But yes wet sleeves would be the way to go
Great detailed explanation very informative. Subscribed!
love this video very educational for someone like me who is new to the 4b11t platform
4b11 is aluminum,squared off perfectly 84mm stroke,84mm bore is the really only big difference and easier/cheaper to produce more power
First of all? I would like to say amazing explanation I came across loads of 4g63 vs 4b11 however I have yours to be more user friendly. I run an Evo 9 race car need your opinion on Spark plugs what spark plugs would you run in your race cars - thanks
What power level? Head work? Fuel? Ignition system used? Ecu?
4B11 🔥🔥🔥
Informative video. My 4b11 has ERL 87.5mm wet sleeves, it doesn't have the cylinder support like the darton sleeves. Hopefully it can still handle the 850-900whp I am about to throw at it :D
It can, u'll be fine , just don't get a small turbo and string it out. Get something that flows 95lb
@@bdalchemist Pairing it with a xona 8269s!
One point of your description of the 4b11 is a little unclear. The block is aluminum but it already has steel sleeves from the factory as all aluminum blocks do. The performance sleeves replace the factory
So basically wet sleeves in 4b11 make it as good as 4g63? Right? Lot of great unnecessary work!
Cons
4g63- balancer shaft delete
4b11- cylinder sleeves
I have a 4b11 with a built bottom end, but no sleeves. It's a 86.5 overbore. What do you think the max HP and torque should be on the stock sleeves? Does the overbore significantly weaken the block?
Awesome Video 👍🏽 Great presentation and information
Can you do a video on o-ringing? First time i see the rings going under each other
On my list
Awesome information! What do you think about closed decking a 4b11?
Not a fan, it was very popular on Honda's back in the days. If ur getting to the point where u need block guards/closed decking welded or not, might as well sleeve the block.
Thank you. Very informative.
Can you explain difference between 4G 6 bolt and 7 bolt ?
Methmal dhananjaya kinda should start this point since I still have yet to know what that means 😂
Great video .
What the stock sleeve on the 4b12 ?
Good video I just subscribed!!!!!
Great info! I now can decide between dry-sleeve or wet-sleeve my 4b11. Like others have asked, “what is the price range and difference between dry and wet sleeve?”
Pre-sleeved Wet sleeves are around $1400-$1600. Dry ones are $300-$400 less.
@@bdalchemist check! thanks. is this Darton's east-coast pricing? also, do they do porting and head builds for 4Bs? I might send a block over for them to wet-sleeve.
@@timyang4710 I'm sure they do but for head work I always use Curt brown.
@@timyang4710 if u do send it to them send them ur pistons rods and crank for balancing and piston to wall clearances
@@bdalchemist Yes, when i'm ready in about a couple of months here, i'll probably send them a MANLEY BILLET 94MM STROKER CRANKSHAFT, TITANIUM CONNECTING RODS, KING PISTONS or DIAMOND PISTONS...all for them to balance and assemble with the wet-sleeve.
How I can modify a base map for my evo 8, and how change from mass to air temp sensor. Thanks
You forgot to mention the 4g63/4 came in a ton of other Mitsubishi vehicles
Awesome video. Do you work at a machine shop or can recommend anyone to do these type of modifications to the block?
This particular one was done by Darton them selves. Make sure you contact Darton on East coast not west.
@@bdalchemist is there a difference between turbo and non turbo 4b11
What do u think about the 6g74?? Is it as strong as 4g63 and should i build it to 1000+ HP without cementing the block?!
I think I saw that the fastest 3kgt is running a 4g63
6g74 is built just as tough as the 4g series. Do the standard things, head studs, rod bolt upgrade, main studs. Japan produced a number of high horsepower 6g motors back in the day. There are 1k hp Mitsubishi gto's running around out there.
There's been guys in the DSM community that have made 600Awhp on stock 4g63 internals, but as for longevity who the hell know's. 500AWHP is pretty attainable and easily, not bad for an engine that came out in 1982...... 4B11 has the advantage by a long ways.
How much power have people even made with the 4B11?
Over 1100
Thanks for this vidéo....what About the4g 18 ?
I dont know shit about cars but my question is; wich are better this or the hondas k series??
DB. I would like to run GSC S2 cams in my Evo X. Are the cams straight dropped in or do I have to make changes to the valve tappet?
U do have to shim the buckets and adjust to lash. It's recommend u do stronger springs and retainers and replace ur stock valves with none hollow ones. I go one step further and delete the exhaust mivec cam gears.
@@bdalchemist thanks! I did spring, valve, retainer, and Head stud already.
THANKS for the information,...NEWLY SUBBED!!!
4g63t all day bud worlds best 4 banga
4g63 all day
Agree but 4b11 has better airflow and cooling because it's aluminium
Excellent video
Thanks for a great video!
I will definitely do wet sleeves on my evo x ...
I like to build big bore stroke engine
Do you have recommendations for good stroke engine setup ? (Track races)
For track I would do a 2.0 , or of u really want displacement, 2.2 stroked not big bore.
@@bdalchemist thanks for you fast response...
Sorry for my miss knowledge
I'm in the middle of big project
I'm trying to understand what setup to build
Why not to stroke? Why not big bore ?
@@user-jh9hi1bv3i head gasket sealing issues. The bigger the bore the harder is is to seal the combination chamber. So stroking the crank vs increasing the bore is a better option
@@bdalchemist
Will you recommend this:
www.hks-power.co.jp/en/product/engine/capacity/4b11.html
What will be the best setup ?
Or Manley crankshaft & CP pistons ?
Hey bro love this video can you make a video about how to replace a sleeve those are hard to find i want to know if it’s possible to change just one like they say you can
Well that's a machine shops job. I don't change sleeves . You wouldn't want to do it either , it requires experience and expensive machinery
I like both engines.
Me too
Do you know the weight difference between your darton sleeved 4b11 and a 4g63 block?
I imagine weight would be the main benefit. Slightly better heat dissipation on an alu block aswell I guess.
Do not know actual difference but from picking it up I would estimate 25-30lb difference even with sleeves. Also the iron of the 4g63/64 is different then that of the sleeves. The sleeve material is much stronger compound then the iron block.
Alright cool. Quite alot of weight that is.
Curious to know what’s the max can you bore stock 4b11t sleeve block
All on the power ur trying to achieve , bigger the bore on stock sleeves the weaker ur aluminum cylinder will be. I personally would not go more then 20 over.
Can you do a video on the heads?
Coming soon
Great vid. But let’s cut to the chase,”What’s the ball park price to sleeve the 4b11 block”?
Pre-sleeved blocks are around $1400-$1600
BD Alchemist thank you
4b11 all day!
Make a video on engine rebuild on the 4b11 or even rebuild fundamentals
Definitely, we have one that's going to come back from the machine shop soon
Hye l'm daniel from malaysia,i want to asking you ,can 4b11 share gearbox with 4g63?
No
thank you
Why people that hate 4b11 say 4g63 is far better cause it an iron block
Change is hard for some people. Iron block is cheaper to make power not easier to a point.
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I think it comes down to what you're looking for in an engine. If you want to modify your car and run big power the 4g63 is the 'better' engine because it is stronger. But on the other hand the 4b11 is lighter, quicker throttle response, revs more freely. Which in a stock or lightly modded car is better. I have an evo 7 and a sti and everybody says the ej257 is a crap engine because of its chocolate pistons. Well yes arguably from a reliability stand point the ej isn't a great engine. But the way the engine performs is brilliant. It's smooth, has lots of torque and a generally really pleasant engine for a road car, far nicer than the 4g63 in the evo.
@@markjackson7650 ej is crap lol
They already found out the potential of 4b11t..better than 4g63
Subbed to your channel :)
Nice to know 👍🏻
hello friend how much does it cost to rebuild a 4g63 engine 😎👍👍
Depends on power goals but machine shop and assembly labor around $2000-$2500 + parts. That's if u just send in a bare block
Is this specific to a 4b11t? Or 4b11 na build?
4b11t
mehidi hassan interested to see if he can show a na build
4g63💪
thanks, i like this vid a lot
Thank u
So which is better for a build?
4g63 block from factory is stronger. 4b11 is more efficient. Block can be sleeved to hold similar Power.
Evo 8/9 lighter and easier to make fast on dragstrip. Evo x heavier and cost more to make fast on drag strip. Evo x has a better chasis but weighs more. $ for power analysis the 4g63 would win. $ for speed analysis Evo 8/9 would win. This is probably because the 63 motor has been around for a while and more support is available. Same for the car.
BD Alchemist so if I get an evo x it is better to swap it out with a 4g63?
@@davidmelnichuk2 why go through the trouble ? Buy a 8/9
So if we heavily modify the 4b11 it is better than a stock 4g63.... ok lol
"heavily" ? Most engines in the market require sleeves now because most are aluminum. The 4b11 definitely has a better head.
Thanks
By 4B11 and 4G63 do you mean 4B11T and 4G63T?
Yes
Your a idiot you know that right just cause you add the T all that means is turbo has nothing to do with the motor
C G There is a difference smartass, a base lancer runs on 4b11 and the evo runs on 4b11t. Yes the t stands for turbo but there is a difference in the build other than the turbo
Badoor366 lol a base lancer runsa 2.4L completely different motor but okay mate
C G Lancer gts runs a 2.4l why dont u just google it quickly
4G wins
iron block AND closed deck = superior
The 4b11t is actually hands down the superior motor until about 1200hp
@@Djhinn what? No lmao. Both blocks built to nuts the 4g63 will outshine it. Look at the red demons engine....
@@MikecrossfitnessI'm aware of the Red Demon. I believe it just ran a 7.1 in the quarter. Very fast 4g powered car.
Understand this though, The 4g63 has also had 30+ years of testing and tuning. The 4b11t has had 11+. Look up "Grade-A-Garage Evo X" it ran an 8.1 sec quarter mi. 1 second slower than the Red Demon. It's only a matter of time before there's a 4b11t doing 7's. I don't think that's what one would consider "outshining".
@@Djhinn yes and hell run a 6.9 or below pretty soon. And I know about the evo 10 running that. But also it's not really surprising that they ran that time in the amount of time. It's a newer engine, it better do it in a faster time than 4g63
@@Mikecrossfitness Then why are you disagreeing with my original comment? The 4b11t is putting up times 1 SECOND slower than a 30+ year old, iron block platform. You know why? IT'S A BETTER MOTOR.
keep postin
Ok I will put the aluminum 4g63😁up against the 4b11t I a head to head shoot out, bother with 8685 turbo, let's see which one survives the longest, 80+lbs of boost......
*both*
80 pounds lol neither your looking into the billet world now
plz can u help me ..need some answers
I'll try. What can I do for you?
sonata of 2001 had the 4g63 but apart from the 2 litre there was a 2.4 l version.. do you know anything about it
@@nishantraj4192 is the engine code 4g64?
Il save you some time watching the video. Basically the 4g63 destroys the 4b11.
4g63 vs 4g15
There only one high tq 4b11
Made a 4g63 NA vs 4g63t
Theres no point na is 💩
Ok
ku i'm a build my motor soon
That's awesome , keep us posted
Upspeak ughhhhh
think you mean 4b11T
If you're gonna be that guy it's also 4g63t
Patrick H correct. Different engines..
Alll basic stuff,
That was the whole purpose