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Bought pro version during the Christmas sale. Still downloading...
lol
It'll still be relevant next Christmas once it's finished :)
Same lol
@Musical Whiskey I think you'll be ok... It's so far, perfectly useable for me on 32gb.... I got two slots for doubling ram if needed in the future though lol.
lol! Good one.
Gosh I wish there were a Core version with just the rest of the instruments (contras, solo strings...) but still leave out the mic positions. I think the size of the Pro version will turn a lot of people off who don't have all the RAM available. I think Core is perfect I just really wish there were Bass Clarinet, and the Solo Strings at least. That to me would really put it up a step to be the best library for the size!
Got Discovery, bought Core :) It's a shame you did not retain the pictorial selection graphic in Core too.
100% agree! I love the UI of discover!
I went with Core for now. This combined with other Spitfire libraries (and others) is exceptional!
Same here. My composition students (who are just getting started) all got discover. It’s an amazing thing for them and for me. Hopefully as they grow and develop into professionals, they will become loyal Spitfire customers.
Whenever I listen to virtual instruments' demos, I try to pay attention to when the sounds or arrangements start to get artificial. It never happens when it comes to this library. Everything outrageously sounds realistic and genuine. Well done Spitfire
Especially the woodwinds. When everyone says "wow, did you upgrade - that sounds realistic?" Even non-musicians.
I’m really trying to keep a tight budget, and you all graciously gifted me Discover, thank you! I was sure I’d just run with that for now. Then I heard the samples in my headphones... and then I saw I had the $49 deducted from core, even though you gifted it! Wow. Who does that?? I think you can guess the outcome: $300 charge on my Visa card now, lol. Pro eventually but Core is SO WORTH IT. That’s chump change for a full integrated orchestral library of a real orchestra. I get it now. Game changer.
Me too :D when I saw that I had to support this insane mentality and bought the pro version instead of core spitfire don’t do half things!
Keep it up
Exact same thing happened to me. No shame and no regrets. Love this library so much
Since I got the DISCOVERY version I felt in love with BBC Symphony Orchestra. Yesterday...after maybe 1 year, finally decide to buy the CORE thanks to the apex discount.
what can I say...
IS GORGEOUS!
AND THANK YOU Spitfire Audio for this amazing instrument and chance to get it!
Big hug for you all!
Let's keep creating amazing music for this world
Love this dude....
Greetings from Germany🇩🇪❤️
On REAPER, here - template would be the bee's knees. Core looks like the way to go for me. You're quite the salesman. Damn you Christian Henson ... and bless you, too.
Boot Hamilton Reaper user here too. I would love a template
Reaper please! If anything they have a similar philosophy with Discover BBC SO bringing affordable but powerful software to any creative.
Would love a Reaper template also!
Has anyone made one yet? :)
@@NicStride A couple of people have made them in the Spitfire users group on Facebook. I made my own one with very basic routing for Discover. I just had a track per articulation going to a section bus, then the section bus going to an orchestra bus with each section having a verb send. It's very basic but it gets the job done. Only took about half an hour to make.
We miss You Chris and your videos 😭
what do you mean? Did he die?
I recently purchased the Core version and It is simply incredible and I am so pleased that some of the payment goes back to the musicians.
Thank you for your generous spirit. These tools are really excellent for those of us touching the hem of great possibilities.
The graphic comparison featuring the differences in resolution and saturation convinced me to upgrade from Discovery to Core. Grand! One of the best decisions of late.
Incredible demonstration of resolution. You answered question I wanted to know about Core and Professional. I have been so impressed by the BBCSO.
I absolutely love how detailed and informative this is. Really helps me understand the differences! (And the production quality is fantastic, it's hard to find "un-fluffed" walkthroughs of sample libraries!)
I love the way you communicate.
wow, christian is the first founder/CEO of an audio software developement company that i believe really stands behind their product. the way he is amazed by the work of his employees really makes me wanna buy this stuff. so either that or he is a brilliant actor... :D
While I don't write orchestral compositions I do write orchestral-inspired elements into my productions, I thank you so much for providing me with a free copy of Discover. When financially able, I will most certainly be purchasing Core!
"bold man"... haha.. I love you ♥
Discover has opened so many doors for me. Core will do more!
I bought Discover. A week later I bought Core and then treated myself to Solo Violin.
My free Discover download is amazing. I'm not employed at the moment, so I appreciate Spitfire Audio's approach to this library.
Congratulations on presenting us with a completely new way of building up a great library. This would be a wonderful platform to give us the ability to work with the unique sounds of different orchestras from around the world!
Another great video. Thanks Spitfire. My Free library just arrived!! Really in the mood of buying the Core one. Awesome improvments.
Could there be a video for tips on orchestration? I think that would be very helpful.
He’s not camera shy it’s in the family. Great use of genes for a marvellous project. Thank you.
I wish Core had a bass clarinet. I use that instrument a lot in orchestral writing.
Brilliant Christian and a BIG thank you to all the players of the BBC SO.
Great Company 👍
Thanks for making Discover free. I'm just starting out in orchestral arrangements as a hobby and this has made your fantastic sounds accessible to me.
Would be really nice to know if you're going to add the ability to unload articulations into Core. As it has been pointed out elsewhere, this is available in Pro and all of the other Spitfire libraries. I personally think it is going to put a lot of people off buying. It is the only reason I'm holding back at the moment.
Same
Marvin Schluckauf yes Paul and I have requested they switch this function on in core. Next update!
Christian Henson Music yay!
@@TheCrowHillCo Absolutely brilliant. Any ideas when this will be? Obviously would like to purchase this while the introductory sales period is still on.
@@TheCrowHillCo Hi Christian, will this be a free update if we buy Core right now to benefit from the sale? Thanks so much I will probably buy it today!
Got my copy of Core the day it came out and I still can't believe how good it sounds and how much value for the money you get. BTW when I use the multiple instances template (cubase) from the spitfire page I can work my way around the problem with not being able to unload articulations, as each track comes (probably set from Pro) with only a few articulations loaded (they're separated in legato, longs, shorts and fx). As all tracks are disabled when you open it you can really just pick and choose wich articulations to use.
The Way I saw it, and the reason I chose Core over Pro is that Discover is for everyone, no matter if you're learning or just want to add some colour to your work, Core is for composers that need the full instrumental pallet ready and Pro is more for producers and mixers that fine tune the composer's work for broadcast (though in many cases that job overlaps with the composer's job).
Wow! That sounds amazing. Im loving spitfire more and more! Best company for orchestral and cinematic composers!
I've gone and made my own template for Studio One. I found the one on te Spitfire site a bit complex for my tastes, so I just made one with each of the instruments, and some setup for Articulation switching. Then I threw in a channel for my drum plugin of choice (Addictive Drums, setup with Fairfax kit), 3 audio channels for Bass and a pair of Guitars, a group for Kontakt and some midi channels to feed it and a pair of channels for vocals. So far, its all great. I'll probably add some printing tracks to generate stems for later mixing. Still gotta work out a good way to build up "pad" orchestrations.... But its all working good so far. Oh one big thing. It appears Studio One and Spitfire have very different ideas on where C0 lies on a piano.
Thank you Christian! I went for Core, and will update to Pro when I run out of road :)
Will there be any discount as you’ve already bought the Core?
Been using Discover for a while now, I REALLY want this now!!! XD
Core is phenomenal. The program sounds incredible and is incredibly intuitive to use and manipulate the different parameters in real time.
1:16 OMG IT'S THE MUSIC TO THE BEST SALES PITCH EVER
15:26 for comparison between Core and Discover
Please add the ability to load and unload articulations! The library is great , but this is such a basic feature, i am really surprised it didnt make it's way from the pro version.
sorry but what are articulations??
It's been added apparently!
@@afrosymphony8207 articulations are the syle of playing the instrument.
i.e. long, spicatto, stacatto, etc.
This is probably one of the best libraries I have come across so far. The mode switching function is a game changer. Can you please make a video on the different templates you have created for Logic, Cubase and other DAWs and explain a little? That will be a great help. Thanks a ton.
The Core and the mix is absolutely amazing. I just spent the weekend refining my new BBC template for my updated Reaper DAW system, and it runs like a dream. Many thanks for yet another enlightening video Christian!
B Tidelius Please please please would you share your template? I am on Reaper and would really appreciate it!!
Discover is such a great idea for beginners but also to have a sample.
I also started with Discover and bought Core because of that, one of the greatest vstplugins for orchestra.
thank you - great explanation
Well worth listing Christian. The core sounds like the target for me. Thanks. Dave
Just got my download code today. Really impressed with the gui in general though it needs icons in each section to help the eye. I use cinematic studio strings which has the best legato I’ve ever heard but I really appreciated the response. Probably at the very least brilliant for the actual composing part of things due to its speed
Spitfire please let Core unload and load articulations!
There is no need for this! Simply - get the bigger RAM, and use all articulations at once, it is much much better and simpler to write your score!
@@1slowstar all well if your MB allows for that option, others may have to buy a newer PC just to get that option, so not so easy.
I hope there won’t come a day when I regret being an early purchaser of pro, a day when you can’t reasonably make a case that pro is seriously superior to core. That’s a lot of money for mic positions. But I do applaud the discover give away, that helps a lot of folks get started.
A really nice way of explaining it!
Core was a yes for me, and very very pleased with it, especially now I've worked out that expression map outputs need to be 1 octave lower than specified to work with Cubase ! Why is middle C C4 with Spitfire, just out of interest ? That's no where near the middle of an 88 note keyboard !
Sucked into the world of orchestras via Discover . . .Now bought Core, and it is freakin' amazing!!!!!!
DAW: PreSonus Studio One 4.6
A tutorial on building a small template would be useful. Does a tutorial already exist?
Thanks for this, very informative and a nice use of metaphor too.
I just bought PRO. Really looking forward to sinking my teeth into it.
How is PRO going? I just pulled the trigger on Core.
BBCSO Core is Great! I Want This !
Avidly watching, I hope the answer is yes, because I already bought it, and have had to order a new computer to run it :-)
I love the sound of the Bassoon legato at 16:23! Can't wait to get it for myself!
Templates for Studio One, pleeeease :)
@@citizenworld8094 What is S1 5?
Thanks Christian, great info!
Great video. I've got Discover and this made me decide to pick up Core.
Okay -- you've convinced me even though this doesn't have UACC (still hate keyswitches for articulations but if I have to buy another keyboard just to do it I will). Bought and downloading.
Which keyboard you think is the best option for? Thanks
@@danielmartinezflamenco You're asking ME? Hey, I'm not the expert here. Ask Christian. But if I were buying ANOTHER keyboard I'd make sure it was a full 88 key one (to use these keys). Either that or get at least 61 with pads you can remap to other keys (I'm using the Akai MPK261).
This video really helped to understand the differences. Btw, when are you planning on writing the screenplay for Edmund Blackadder's next adventure?
Ill buy CORE when you have a template for Digital Performer. Please make that soon. :) ............................Also, for those reading, I use a Yamaha s90xs for a controller. great keyboard feel, has SAW remote that can be mapped easily and can be found online for around the same price as top-of-the-line controller. It also comes loaded with all the sounds of the MOTIF line of Yamaha keyboards S90 pianos included. Just wanted to mention that since i read below there are lots of questions asking about good controllers.
Can we get a midi file of this piece? I really wanna see how you orchestrated it. Thank you for making such an amazing piece of music.
have been trying to decide between going with core for a fuller orchestral library (percussion, etc) or picking up the Spitfire Studio brass and woodwinds to go with the strings... tough decision, so thanks for giving us until the 31st!
I wish I was richer!!! I would love to buy core + some of the other libraries. But I’m just a hobbyist, so the investment doesn’t make sense...
This is truly impressive! I looked at the website, and the playing techniques your libraries offer really support 20th and 21st century composers! What I did NOT find out is whether there is a different amount of playing techniques available between the CORE and the PRO version? According to what you say most likely not. But just in case there are more playing techniques available in PRO, would you mind to put a link where they can be found? (The "What you get" menu option on the website does not list the playing techniques in this particular case as it does with other libs; probably because the list would be incredibly long.)
Personally. what would interest me as a viewer who has no Spitfire library ATM would be an introduction to the Orchestra's percussion instruments and how to use them.
Thank you very much! Feeling very motivated!
I haven´t even watch the video, but oh you marketing geniuses! Give me the free version, explain the limitations, put a contest so i can participate with my new free orchetsa, then make me fell weak when the other participants sound amaizing with their paid libraries and make me think it is becasue of the librearies and not becasue i am a noob. While you post, a few days after realeasing discover, this video. Is just imopsible not to buy the upgrade..... this happened to a friend by the way
Thanks as always great content - I have a suggestion for a topic maybe you're interested: How to setup a midi controller for film scoring. I think it can be a really confusing topic because most controllers arent really made for that. And also I feel like there is not real standard on how parameters are mapped.
So can we use UACC with this? Because I really HATE keyswitches (and you have UACC with all the rest of your libraries).
I bought Core a few months ago having despaired of finding an orchestra to play my sax concerto, and am quite staggered by its power and realism. However one thing I am finding a struggle is rhythmic accuracy, particularly in fast passages, and adjusting for the different attack times of different instruments and articulations. Maybe a video to advise on this?
SF can you please allow purge articulations on core? I don’t understand why that’s a feature in Pro but not in Core
It'll be back in Core very soon!
Still can't get my head round discover being 200 mb
It becomes evident when you try it. One sample stretched over up to five semitones. No round robins, limited articulations etc.
It’s one sample stretched? I thought it was just one sample per note - no round robins.
@@snowleopard9749 Honestly both Discover & Core are still very impressive, especially when you look at EW's libraries being 60GB+ a pop WITHOUT mic positions :0
Very inspiring. I have written a lot of music. I am a 71 year old guitarist first (advanced) and somewhat basic on keyboards. I read music and notation. I am going to break myself in with Discover mainly cos I need to learn orchestration and I thank you for your 2 videos on that. I am using a 5 year old Novation launchkey 49 right now, looking at your NI M32 and are you still using Yamaha P60, which the P45 seems to be modern equivalent. Should I get one of those or semi weighted with aftertouch be sufficent. Help please in that area. I want a keyboard specifically to orchestrate. Once I have something in Discover I like and find I am capable I will move up to Core and upgrade my Novation. Thank you for any recommendation and help you are able to give.
Think about buying this. Use Eastwests old Hollywood Stuff, but fell in love w/ the sound of BBC core through Discover. Not sure if it will run. System Requirements say I need AMD Ryzen, but I have AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core, 3.50 GHz w/ 16GB Ram. Will this work? No problem w/ Discover or Abbey Road Wonderous Flutes.
Thanks for this, very exciting, and just what I need to get cracking after a very very long break from writing. I will be going for Core, after much deliberation over which of your many libraries available to buy! It is a shame Bass Clarinet isn't in core. My question is about articulations - do we need to create a separate track for each articulation for each instrument, or is there another way to switch? I'm not very good at that side of things, though I am trying to learn.
In case you haven't found out in the two years since your original comment, you can assign keys outside of the instrument's range to select different articulations (default is octave -1). Man I love this product
It would be really cool to add the extended woodwinds from pro into core but excluding the extra mic positions. I know, it’s a big ask... :). I miss not having a Cor Anglais.
I will stick with Discover as I just use it for backing tracks with other VSTs and libraries such as
Halion 6, Kontakt Factory and freebies, even with something like Sonatina. Obviously the Core
and Pro versions are way better. I would buy Core if I was composing trailer music commercially
but Discover is more than acceptable for amateurs.
I use Core, with some other libraries to supplement the missing instruments that Pro has. One thing really bugs me (and it wasn't fixed in the patch that fixed the legato) and that is the xfade on the solo horn long patch. It comes in way to early and it's a very harsh sound. horns a4 does it way better. please tweak!
Hi Christian. Thank you so much for the video. I already use core and really love it. I will definetly upgrade to pro as soon as possible. My question is: what kind of hardware would you recommend to make sure that the library can be used without any problems even with big orchesteal compositions? What kind of hardware do you use for yourself? Thx in advance
Delighted with Core. I was put off Pro by the enormous size of the library. I too would like to be able to unload articulations not needed - the pencil icon for doing this is shown in the Core manual - but doesn't exist in reality. Pity. Easy to fix in an update maybe? I'm using Spitfire solo strings to get the 'leaders' and using the close mics only it works really well.
I wonder if I use Spitfire Studio strings in the same manner as mentionned above if they would incorporate fine... they where NOT recorded in the same studio. Air studio One for Studio Strings and BBC was recorded at London’s famous Maida Vale Studios. @christianhenson your opinionof they would blend well? Thanks
Just add more RAM, and forget problem about unloading! I think 32 gigs of RAM is quite enough!
The reason that i would not buy the pro version is not the money but the weight of the library more than 600GB its a lot.
Hi, thanks for the video. Just I have one question, different from Spitfire Strings, there i can assign a Ccmidi control to the articulation, but here i can't see any option to do that, so we must work with all the articulations opens on tracks into the session? Thanks
You can use the low -2 keys on the keyboard as keyswitches I believe. If there is a way of mapping these to MIDI though, I'm not sure.
Ha Ha! Ya buggers. Here I was still on the fence as to spend the money now and take advantage of the deal or cantankerously hold on to my money. This vid has tipped me off the fence. I'll blow the dust off my wallet. Timing is everything. Well done!
Same here! It’s downloading right now
I'm still torn between this or Albion One.. I know Christian mentioned in another video that Albion One is a go-to for him because he comes from the world of production/EDM and that is also where I am coming from. I'm just looking to make a purchase to get started on orchestral programming and would like to have the freedom of individual instruments that BBCSO offers over Albion One but also am not sure if that makes the learning curve that much harder for me?
I have Discovery. The string sounds, especially violins, all have a noticeable quick increase in volume in the LONG mode, regardless of which settings I try (all the velocity profiles). I am looking for a steady-volume string sound. Is this something I can only get in CORE, or is there a way to achieve it in Discovery?? Thanks!
I bought Core bec of this video and I'm extremely satisfied! Would it be possible to have a copy of this Logic File, to better learn the articulation and expression moves you did?
You should really create templates for Reaper since it's super stable and quick with BBC SO (more than Live and PtoTools on PC) and it's also accessible to the blind.
Love the videos. I fell in love with Spitfire sonic textures several years ago and ready for motor. If I was to upgrade my currently Albion's to all the Albions (to form orch central- so to speak), how does this compare to getting the full Pro BBC version instead. Anyone? Nice work on the App too.
Very good info thanks
Brilliant! Any chance of a routing walk through for the templates?
Hi, Could you please do a video showing how to do articulation sets with BBCSO Core, because so far I have not been successful and getting stressed over it !!
When I say articulation sets , I mean being able to change the articulation of specific notes via the Piano roll in logic Pro X with the BBCSO Plugin.
Thank you!!
Template for Cakewalk please
I would buy CORE right now if there is an upgrade path to move to PRO in the future,
there doesn't seem to be an upgrade price from Core to Pro on the website?
If you want to buy Professional, you just have to pay the difference between these two.
From the Spitfire website: "There is an upgrade path between BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover, Core and Professional. The price you pay to upgrade from one edition to another is simply the price difference between the two products at the point of purchase. Owners of any edition can view their price by ensuring they are logged in to our website then clicking ‘Add to Cart’ on the edition they wish to upgrade to."
@@3DGEMAN1000 Hi thanks Caleb, I just found it myself, they put it on the 'Compare' page rather than the individual product pages
@@watchtheskies No worries, took me a good few minutes to find it the other day when I had the same question. It's a little hidden.
I bought the core edition and love it, but...........
Do you think there will ever be an option add either the close mics or “mix 2” hyped mix?
I will never be able to justify the cost of an upgrade to the professional version personally, but I would pay a lesser cost just to add extra mic/mix options. Not all the mic options as I realise the size of what that would add, even just Jakes Mix 2.
I think it would help make the core version more versatile and useable in more circumstances. The mix 1 sound is a bit underwhelming for some of the instruments when trying to go for something more intense/aggressive.
Thanks 😊👍
The thing is, from my point of view, that Core it's too cheap for what it is. Even with only 1 mic. So when you upgrade to Pro you are paying for the quality that you already have.
They are "loosing" money when you only buy Core hoping that you will love it and wanted more so you will pay the Pro. I hope that you understand what I say.
I mean, I also have Core and I would love more mics, but things are as they are.
My only valid option is the BBC Symphony Orchestra because it comes as a pluggin. I can't afford the high priced DAW's so I went with Cakewalk and so far it's my saving grace. Discovery may not be broadcast-worthy, but I'll have to make it work.
You're not the only one there, mate! I use Cakewalk, and have BBCSO Discover for the same reasons.
Hey guys! fantastic video! When I can afford it I will be making the jump to core, sounds excellent!
I had a question about hardware though, What do you use to control automation at the same time as tracking? It seems like a very cool piece to have in any studio! Cheers
Monogram creative console?
I'm totally a newbie and I really don't know what to choose between Albion One/Tundra and BBC Core! I do chill out/progressive trance music and love to make trailer music as well. What do you recommend as first investment? If I become the next Bill Gates or win a lottery I'll buy them all plus a coffee for all Spitfire's team! :D Thank you guys and stay safe! :)
I have both the Albion One and BBC Core. The Core sounds way better but it's just an orchestra. The Albion One comes with sound design tool (?? I think you can call it that) some extra drums, synth and I think couple of other things AND the orchestra.
If you are more into weird noises/sounds you might be better off with Albion while still having full orchestra at your disposal.
Does the core edition allow you to select how you trigger a technique? I see in the manual it says you could switch between triggering an articulation with a key switch or, lets say, a midi channel. I know however that sometimes manuals are reused between versions. At any rate, this is such a wonderful library and I can't wait until I can finally get it!
Where can i find the Cubase orchestral templates you mentioned Christian? Keep up the great work, much appreciated!
nicely explained