Why the Knife is the Worst Melee in Left 4 Dead 2 [Outdated]
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- A quick explanation as to why the knife melee weapon is the worst melee weapon in L4D2.
The command used to see melee damage hitboxes: melee_show_swing 1
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:13 Basics of Melee
00:46 Sharp Vs Blunt
01:19 Damage Arcs
01:34 Melee and Friendly Fire
01:48 Damage Based on Animations
02:05 The Swing of Every Melee
03:28 Now the Knife
03:43 Arcs Bend with Camera
04:13 The Knife's Arc
05:27 Knife's Upsides
05:50 Knife Looks Like Adrenaline
06:31 The Chainsaw
07:05 The Chainsaw's Arc
07:26 Conclusion
07:33 Knife's Sounds
07:48 Outro - Knives Belong in the Trash
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Thanks for watching. Au revoir. - Hry
it has a slow attack interval. it deals damage horizontally left and right.
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it has a slow attack interval. it deals damage horizontally left and right.
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IT HAS A SLOW ATTACK INTERVAL. IT DEALS DAMAGE HORIZONTALLY LEFT AND RIGHT
With the exception of the chainsaw, which is in a category of its own, I would argue that the best melee weapon in the game is the machete.
No, the golf club
i would go for katana as a sharp weapon, and guitars for bludgeoning weapon (also for the comedic relief weapon)
machete, katana, axe
*ANGRY CLANG NOISES*
I can use machete on rush sections and win, but never with a katana. So I'm in the machete camp as well
A cruel joke for map makers would be to place a lot of knives with one or a few adrenaline shots hidden among them.
Dude youre gonna overthrow satan one day
Calm down satan
Satan is now homeless
"Hello, Tom. I'd like to play a game. A game of Left 4 Dead 2.
You are on 1 health, and in front you is a room. This room contains millions of knives and two adrenalines; you are to make it through the incoming horde by saving yourself with the adrenaline, and killing them with knives. There are no Specials, but they will not stop spawning until you find an adrenaline. They will spawn 30 seconds from now.
Time is ticking..."
It has a slow attack interval, it deals damage horizontally left and right.
Burned into my brain
wait, can you repeat that again?
Yeah the knife is always just something to meme with as you yell "COUNTERSTRIIIIKE!" Good vid bro
Holding it makes you run faster.
@@darthyvardyreal really?
Cs:go moment
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It's weird seeing you outside of the Roanoke comment section. Like seeing your teacher outside of school
The melee mechanics in L4D2 are actually genius. I wonder why Valve didn't use it in their other franchises, and if other games do something similar.
tf2 backstabs would probably feel more fair... although I don't see it fixing facestabs if your laggy enough.
The games that do something similar are: "Mordhau" and "Chivalry", except those games use a more complex system with "collision detection", compared to L4D2 system wich creates multiple "hitscan" lasers in sync with the animation (like its multiple gun shots).
Well they aren't exactly the same, but what's explained in this video is what happens when you melee in any of the other valve games (and a lot of games in general) - when you click, it sends out a small projectile in front of you, and if that hits something, then it's registered as a melee hit. It tricks our brains into thinking that the swing itself was what caused the hit.
check out killing floor 2 melee combat mechanic.
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I like how the melee weapons added in TLS update are a "Fork", "Spoon" and Knife (Pitchfork and Shovel)
Comically large spoon
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 great now all I can think about is a comically large spoon mod
The knife wasn't added in the TLS Update , it was already in the game but it wasn't usable and it can't be spawned naturally.
You can only spawn it using console commands and it doesn't deal damage.
The only way to use the knife is through plugin wich are in almost every Left 4 Dead 2 custom server.
The knife is a ported weapon from Counter-Strike : Source along with Krieg,Scout and the AWP.
They were in the German version of Left 4 Dead 2 but were later added after the TLS Update.
Hope this helps.
The last supper update
@@AForceGaming it deals damage tho and it's one of the most broken melee in the game. TLS nerfed it to hell. perhaps you were talking about the riotshield.
Oh man, the knife, we didn't enjoy nerfing it but it was hard to justify it's original state.
The sole reason the knife was so badly nerfed was due to the possibility that we'd not receive another opportunity to create an update for the game, even just a small bugfix, so we figured it would be better to make it underpowered and unused rather than overpowered and detrimental to the game's balance for the rest of eternity. We do want to modify it if we get the chance though, Valve is just currently busy with other projects, so everything's still up in the air.
There's also another difference between sharp and blunt melees: Sharp melee kills will immediately make commons ragdoll, removing collision the moment the hit connects. Blunt weapons on the other hand make them play a brief "dying" animation, during which they retain collision. So, if you want to push through a horde, a sharp melee will let you push through them faster.
So Far The Knifes spawns are so god dam common where I don’t even have a problem with the knife I think it’s an OP melee weapon it’s not the best but thanks to this video it’s not even nerfed it’s just in a unique angle cuz the knife is still sharp and it’s fast so it gets me through commons pretty quickly but the knife is not good against trying to one shot chargers or cutting smoker Tongues but that’s about it like I rather take the knife than trash garbage useless pistols
No offense, but why did you guys feel the need to nerf it, or include it at all considering it wasn't even in the non-German copy of the game? If balance was that serious a concern, destroying the weapon's viability entirely, and then having it pollute the melee spawn pools seems like a poor solution.
I was so sad when I realized the knife was nerfed, I was wondering why it felt so bad to use now lol
In any case TLS really breathed a lot of life into the game and I appreciate the hard work of you and the rest of the team!
Knowing that you and the rest of the team would like a chance to do more work, there is one thing I’m still dying to see in the game: Are the l4d1 style models for the l4d2 infected still being worked on?
Well thanks a lot for ruining the knife :) amateur. Your update is bad, just like you :D
@@Sesshoumaru888 really like the last stand update fixed Most things
Like 1 more infected spawns like it improved swamp fever a lot
2 bug fixes like no more shortcuts where people skip 25% or 50% of the game on versus
3 no more BS common jumps giving you tons of height like common jumps Legit gives you the Most OP spots possible and can send you out of bounds like this makes the softlock points a 1 shot kill once the survivor is down and not just common jump and boom he’s back
4 Fixed the bug spots where commons or witch or AI special infected just stop attacking you for no reason and automatically die in 1 minute
5 given more weapons and melees like most of them are not good and terrible like aside from knife or shovel no one uses these new weapons but at least there not stuck in the german version and everyone can know about these weapons only riot shield is left to be added
6 added more stuff or achievements to do like the secret golden crow bars in every map like that rewards people watching YT vids on it or exploring everywhere in the maps
Don’t get me wrong like left 4 dead 2 survivor AI is still terrible and I don’t know how it’s fixed yet tier 2 shotguns are still broken and are the best guns in the game the witches AI is still the worst AI in the game and is easy to kill or easy to ignore
And Parish Dead Center and 1 map on dark carnival like chapter 2 have way to many pills or adrenaline in versus
And Hard Rain Corn Field Does Not Have What Last Stand Has Which Is Infected Can Spawn in bushes while survivors can see you
But That is fixed with mods so it’s not a big deal it’s just minor issues
I remember hearing the crowbar being categorized as a "Shred" weapon since it tears out chunks of flesh instead of slashing infected
Author's notes:
Maybe I was a bit too harsh. The knife is the worst melee but is still usable. It just sucks to have to look upwards a bit to get the most range and coverage with it.
Originally this project started off as my reviewing every weapon in the game. I still have to finish that video's script. It may become a video in the future.
Next now I want to work on a video about sound in the game. There's a lot to talk about. Left 4 Dead 2 is basically a music-game. If you aren't using headphones every time to launch Left 4 Dead 2, you're doing it wrong. Do you know how unbelievably powerful it is to use sound to know where all the special infected are? It's like a wall-hack but with your ears. Anyways look forward to that video. I've made 0% of it so far so don't expect it any time soon.
Every time I make a L4D2 video I start with finding something interesting and saying “hey everybody, Dom here” I'm running out of things. I found that flamingo but next time I don't know what to pick. I think I'll be one of the stuffed animals found in Dark Carnival and the plantation house at the end of Swam Fever.
You guys are smart, I'm sure you got the joke at the end that the Knives belong alongside the trash bags. You got that, right? I was debating if I should have used some text on screen or not. Nah, you're smart.
I too just learned that you deal reduced damage to the legs of the Smokers, Boomers and Hunters. It's a weird hold-over from the first game. It explains why melee might not always 1-shot them. It's reduced damage from bullets too. Before starting this project I didn't even know melee worked like this. I just assumed it was done with one small invisible bullet in front of the camera like it is in Team Fortress 2. In TF2 the first-person melee animations are completely unrelated to the way the damage is dealt.
When I say “all difficulty modes” I'm talking about Easy/Normal/Advanced/Expert and not the game modifiers found in Realism. Realism is it's own thing and not a difficulty per se.
Lately people have started recognizing me in-game. This tells me that people who watch my videos on this game also play it and that my videos have an effect on people. What I'm getting at is: I wonder if fewer people will be using the knife as a result of my video. It's a possibility.
I love Valve games. Making videos like this is only possible because random people like me have the ability to use the developer console. If I couldn't disable the AI, visually show damage or fly around this video would have been way more difficult to make.
I hope it was useful to see the first-person view alongside the top and side view. It was very time-consuming to get all that footage.
I may be wrong about Melee damage being percentage-based. I don't know, it all just lines up to working like that.
That's all my thoughts. I hope you enjoyed.
EDIT: it turns out there's another difference between sharp and blunt weapons I didn't know about so it wasn't included in this video. Sharp weapons cause common infected to lose their collision faster. Basically, after you kill a common infected you can walk through the space they occupied faster if they died to sharp weapon versus a blunt weapon. Sharp melees takes about 0.083 seconds from when you hit infected to when you can walk over them. Blunt melees take about 0.35 seconds.
3 weeks ago
yeah, that's when I uploaded the video. I have to stagger the release of videos, otherwise there would be massive gaps in time where no videos would release. If I released videos as soon as they were finished you'd get gaps like 3 months long. If I didn't publish a video in 3 months everyone would just assume I died or quit CZcams or something.
I really like the way the knife looks, but the points you bring up here make me not want to pick it up anymore... either way excellent explanation and reasoning for why it is the worst melee.
Maybe you should have covered the fact that TLS changed the arcs. But still very good video dude. Keep up the great work.
@@s4videos What about meat cleaver or riot shield as meele wepeons ?
Something I don't see mentioned very often is how the sharp melees make the hitbox of the common infected dissapear much faster, like 0.3 seconds faster wich let's you advance faster in an horde, blunt weapons are slower to kill commons wich make them sometimes block and those little seconds make the difference on a horde
Wow, that sounds very interesting, I have to test this.
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I tested it with the nightstick and the machete. You're correct. At 60fps it takes 4 frames to start walking through the infected with the sharp weapon and 18 frames to start walking through the infected with the blunt weapon. I wish I new this information before making this video. It would have been useful to add. I'll just add it to the "author's notes."
EDIT: actually I did more testing and it seems like the time is based on the melee itself and not the sharpness. I'm getting a lot of variance. More testing is required.
@@s4videos On a similar note, SurvivorBots can't cancel a common's death animation by colliding into them like humans can, but they also don't slow down when hit by infected on c5m5.
Nightstick is odd to use at first but when you become familiar with it, that thing can plow through hordes like they're nothing.
I think the nightstick is overrated as hell
Like It’s Insanely common to get it in parish and is an insanely OP melee weapon but any other map or campaign the baton is insanely rare so unless if it’s just the parish map I just try to find other OP melee weapons that are close enough to the baton like the commonly spawned golf club or the machete
It's not very satisfying to use unlike the other melee weapons
It's one of the best melee's indeed and functions just like the machete in that regard only that it's a short blunt weapon.
Knew it wasn't the Doppler effect making that thing so fluid.
The nightstick is a good weapon to yell "WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK!"
It deals damage horizontally left to right
I usually go for the Katana, machete or axe. While exploding heads are fine, I like leaving a trail of dismembered limbs behind as my team watches me go absolutely unhinged with it.
My favorite meele is the Fireaxe - has a wide arc allowing to cut multiple infected at once, it has slower firerate, but its still decent.
the wide cutting arc is very useful when you are swarmed with infected. cause it will kill most of them who are in front of you, allowing u to escape.
the axe is the only good slow melee imo
u can quickly press q twice to attack faster
@@Gyzarath don't forget about the katana although the range is just a tad bit shorter its still one of the best
Well so far my favourite melee is the machete or golf club yes they are tied they are common to spawn in every map they are fast as hell it can destroy or knockback all commons in a 360 degree angle by just turning the camera a 180 degrees they are the most easy melee weapons for me to cut smoker tounges and 1 shot kill chargers
@@Mrnoobestreturns suprisingly as much as i hate the knife for me its the easiest to leverl chargers with but i wont trade one ability over the others
GUYS! GUYS!
THEY DID IT!
THEY FIXES THE KNIFE TRACJECTORY!
turn from the wordt to the best meleee
yeah they nerfed it to hell on tls update, on pre tls, it's "bad arch" is negated with incredibly fast swing
edit: I think they also slow down the equip anim, I remember it being much faster and since it's fast you can do the quick melee swap and almost be invulnerable in the corner against CI
btw they also slowed down the swing
if i can recall the knife used to be a machete with alot more hitboxes before TLS
@@T110E4_Wanderer before tls it swung faster and it only swung from left to right in a straight line
@@CxRise yea and it was moders/console abuser and censored version only well yea i abuse the shit out of it but now its gone
I still do the corner thing with whatever i have but I don't remember what was the knife like before the update tho
Wow, I didn't know the Melee weapons basically had different stats. I thought the changes were purely cosmetic; that the bat was basically as good as the machete.
The differences aren't too significant, but generally sharp weapons are better (there is no advantage whatsoever to weapons being blunt), horizontal swinging weapons are better (you're clearing out a mob in front of you, not painting a wall), and fast swinging weapons are better (naturally). The machete is the best of all worlds and is widely considered the best melee weapon, however it is worth noting that it can't spawn on all campaigns. Each campaign in the game has a set list of melee weapons that can appear there, which is why some of them feel rarer than others.
Also, the range is the same on all of them. The people who prefer the katana over the machete for the "range" are experiencing a placebo effect, to the best of my knowledge. Still, the katana is really good too, same with the fire axe.
I could tell by playing the game...
@@nood1le Cringe. No need to act snarky like some redditor.
Fun fact, Valve just released an update today that fixes the knife damage arc
They just fixed the knife, so this is now outdated.
Edit: They didn't just fix the knife to be better. It is legit now better than the axe. S-tier weapon from the F-tier weapon; a phoenix rising from its ashes.
Yes the this video title has been update to include outdated.
@@warheroned6207 Yes, I saw that he updated the title when I talked about it.
it is now literally the strongest melee, statistically speaking its a katana with a much better hitbox being only slightly less than the axe, and since it's extremely common it is now the most viable melee in the game, the machete is now outclassed by it with the only upside being speed.
The Axe is actually kinda mid now, I prefer a machete or yours truly, the knife.
@@Neotrec its better than the blunt weapons and its great at clearing out hordes because of its large hitbox and hitrays, meaning it will almost always hit every swing you take. its outclassed by the knife and machete solely by how over powered they are, the machete makes you practically untouchable by commons along with the knife
Man, you are the decino of L4D2. Keep up the good work!
i like decino and s4 so its a win win
Despacito shadowbanned me on his channel because I said mean words about his music writing abilities on a completely different channel
@@KeksimusMaximus Wait, you’re telling me you were mean and he blocked you? Wow, that’s fucking crazy. Can’t believe it. You insulted the dude and he blocked you? who would ever do that!
Have you ever tried not being like that?
@@mothweb8088 What made you assume I "insulted" him? And what's even more interesting, why did you get offended and try to white knight now? Despacito makes subpar midi music, and I, as a seasoned midi enjoyer, said just that. Don't answer to me anymore.
@@KeksimusMaximus “don’t answer to me anymore” lol what
The knife is better than the pitchfork. Literally broken and bizarre. The knife at least kills the commons in front of you. The pitchfork doesn’t and makes no sense
It has a weird timing, I have faith it might be useful in some situation but i have yet to find it, easily the least interesting TLS weapon along with mp5
also better than the shovel, guitar, frying pan and crowbar
it's not even bad you just can't stand in hordes with it
@@xUndead awww, I like the mp5.
I respect your opinion though.
@@jakedoesyoutube it has very good range but the firerate compared to the other two smgs is sad. good for headshots tho
@@xUndead I think the slow firerate can be helpful for ammo conservation, but I am no pro player so idk.
nothing warms my heart more than the fact that this video is now technically [outdated]. i can now use the cool copy+pasted css knife in the zombie horde shooter game and not gimp myself. this video is still great and it's still shaped like an adrenaline shot lol.
Oh yeah. Now whenever I see the knife I'm as happy as when I find a machete.
Using a Katana or a Chainsaw in the Crescendo on The Passing Chapter 2 is one of the best things you could see on Left 4 Dead. Just make sure you have Meds lying around.
there is one important difference between sharp and blunt weapons that make me always pick sharp over blunt.
if cutting smoker toungs isn´t good enough sharp melee weapons make common zombies go ragdoll instantly. blunt ones make them have a short stumble anymation.
During that stumble animation they can still body block you. so if you want to push throu a horde or circle around it sharp is always better
yep I agree, the only real reason I hate the knife is the range is too short but I'd pick it over a guitar all day cuz it can cut a smoker's tongue which is helpful if you are in the process of reloading or under pressure.
Sharp weapons like the Katana,axe, and machete are all on the top for best melee
I would argue the worst melee are the pitchfork, due to its inconsistency in attack pattern, and the tonfa for the same reason.
I don't have a problem with the speed of a melee weapon as I just quickly press 4key or 5 then 2 again to reset the animation.
But I can see why some players put the tonfa in a higher spot as they don't have the coordination to do this consistently.
@@redacted2086 The tonfa used to have a diagonal attack (like the baseball and cricket bat), but I believe it was changed to be a horizontal attack in TLS, though it still has very few hitrays.
@@JAiZCZcams if they didnt change the attack pattern i'd like it more but as of now im not changing my mind
I at least enjoy that there’s variety. Sure, the frying pan may not be the best, meta-wise to us sweaty tryhards, but to someone who plays it once every few days and just likes to rampage through a city with a frying pan, at least they have the option.
Learning that melee arcs are affected by gimbal lock fills me with equal parts hope and horror.
Honestly to me. It was either the Knife or the Nightstick because of how jank the hit box is for it.
The start of this video made me realize the attention to detail that went into how different weapons interact with certain enemies. Had no clue sharps could cut the smoker's tongue, cool stuff.
personally i like it more from a novelty standpoint rather than a viability one. with the knife i always end up killing one zombie at a time rather than multiple with a swing, so in a way it feels realistic to how a knife would be in l4d2 if that makes sense
EVERYONE: A recent update has made the knife swing now normal and not stupid
beautiful technical previews!
Glad to know that people still talk about this masterpiece
Nice to see more L4D related videos
Im still annoyed that the Last Stand Developers decided to Nerf the Knife into Oblivion before adding it to the Last Stand Update
Last Stand becomes First Sit
They walked it back. Now it's equivalent to the machete.
I think realistically speaking a knife would be a really terrible weapon in an actual zombie outbreak anyways. It would be good for killing other humans but I figure with actual zombies it would be horrible because of how close you'd have to get to actually harm any of them, plus with the close proximity it would be a good opportunity for the zombies to straight up just bite and infect you
True but since these survivors are carriers, they dont mind getting up close and personal having all those guts and blood sprayed across their faces.
Also these zombies don't bite, (I mean canonically, also the animations) "sometimes it's airborne, sometimes it's not, we don't really know what this is", they are enreged and supposedly see the uninfected as these repulsive monsters and that's why they attacc the survivors
@@handleneeds3charactersormore They do bite lol. Comics show ya and even infected have bite wounds on their bodies.
@@greengarnish1711yeah but it's not The most common way of being infected, most common way is bye food le by The air
That's not untrue, but L4D focuses way more on fun than realism.
This was very informative. Thank you
This video was packed full of information.
The knife actually used to have a normal swing but TLS fucked it up the ass.
Yeah, I remember it was a really good melee.
Used to install addons to unlock it and clutch every map.
Before, it's honestly feel like a better guitar.
TLS did not fucked it up for me I use the knife a lot in versus like Knife has the most common melee spawn I ever seen in this game like I don’t think it’s the worst melee weapon but pitchfork I think is the worst the pitchfork is a insanely rare melee and I can’t do the OP bug like most other melee weapons to knockback or kill all commons in a 360 angle and it’s slow as hell
Like knife is bad against one shot killing chargers and cutting smoker tongues that’s about it from what I experienced because I can stop a hunter with right click or stop a jockey spitter or boomer with right click and not use knife
from JAiZ (one of the community members that worked on TLS)
"The sole reason the knife was so badly nerfed was due to the possibility that we'd not receive another opportunity to create an update for the game, even just a small bugfix, so we figured it would be better to make it underpowered and unused rather than overpowered and detrimental to the game's balance for the rest of eternity. We do want to modify it if we get the chance though, Valve is just currently busy with other projects, so everything's still up in the air."
and why you think a knife must be better than the other meele weapons? lmao they fixed the game its common sense, it makes sense its the worse its a small simple KNIFE it can't be better than a katana or others, its great its worse, omg do u guys know game balance?
@@xzeuii Sounds like a load of horseapples.
After watching this, when I go back and play the game, now I have a hard time *not* mentally visualizing the damage rectangles when I swing a melee weapon.
You explain everything so well and thoroughly, this vid is great!
Pretty good guide dude. I was expecting to see a video just about the knife but instead you made a useful guide for all melee weapons
Can you make a new one the knife got fix now it has a normal swing arc from side to side :)
I really love how you explains the melee weapons. Keep up the good content! :)
Yep
Like The knife is still good in my eyes like it spawns everywhere and it’s common to see it’s just not insanely broken like the other melees
Like in my experiences in versus most melee weapons make commons near useless like Baton and machete are good examples you can just speedrun through them and thanks to right click being OP by killing special infected in 5 right clicks or just knock backing the commons giving you free melee or free I Frames or if there skilled enough B hop frame perfectly to the safe room I seen them beat a map in 2 to 3 minutes that quickly thanks to melee
I was actually looking for a video just like this! Thanks
Damn bro you hit the algorithm jackpot! It's a great video so you deserve it!
The Castlevania curse coming back to bite us of the worst pickup knife is hilarious. Honestly great video that delves into L4D2s mechanics and technical details on melees. I wish there were more videos like this.
Lol.
I remember seeing this in 2023, before it got updated to “outdated” because of updates from summer 2023 I think
17.3.24
This is a very useful video, thank you!
Nice video boyo ! I approve :D
Learned quite a lot of things about L4D2's melee weapons !
I have an video idea for Left 4 Dead 2, and that’s the difference of no laser sights and laser sights. With or without crouching, I wanna see the affect it has on the weapon.
Thanks Dom!
you forgot a very important detail that is underestimated of how sharp melee weps make common ragdoll so you can walk through them faster, in high level play this makes more of a difference than most people realize
krakatoa *wet fart noises*
i never thought i could learn so much about Left 4 Dead 13 years later
He just explained everything I wanna know. Here's a sub :D
Fun fact : You can actually stop Charger charge at you by using blunt type melee weapons push at the right timing similiar to leveling. If you successfully doing so, you and the Charger will stagger away from each other to opposite direction. My favorite weapon to do this is Tonfa since the shove animation is very close to shove with both hand. Yeah I still recommeded to leveling if you can, coz I'm not confident enough to one-shot it
It's actually kinda hard because you need timing to stop his charging
IT GOT FIXED :D
What an interesting video! I haven't played left for dead 2 in many years but watched the entire thing. I think it was presented very well!
I've been watching your videos ever since the TF2 Mod Gamemodes series. I remember being so fascinated by how much people could mess with Valve games, and games in general. Fast forward to now, I come back to your channel every now and then, and it never disappoints. Your videos are always so interesting, and you don't stretch things out for too long. You might just be the reason I love Valve so much today. It's honestly a surprise you aren't as popular as other CZcamsrs who do similar content breaking down Valve games and the Source Engine. Keep it up!
Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate it.
'The knife is bad" "the awp has super low dps"
So what you're saying is they have a really high skill ceiling. Excellent.
bruh
The AWP literally just fucking sucks though. It kills basically everything MUCH slower - the one single target the AWP is better at than the semi-autos is the Spitter, which dies in one bodyshot rather than two; but even then most people would prefer the consistent two-tap
@@VanessaMagick I agree with you. My comment was meant to be a joke. Clearly not a very good one though.
LETS GO, IT'S GOOD AGAIN
I love this channel soo much jesus, could listen to this voice and way of explaining for days.
Very nice video! It was really interesting to see all the angles of the hitbox arcs. You can really see how poorly the knife covers the area in front of the survivor. Additionally, if a special infected is on a table or ledge in front of you, the knife becomes very unwieldy.
Reworks now make it the BEST melee
Katana is still better
it's good now ( update fixed it)
Hey, thanks for the insight. This video helps me improve my skill with the knife and makes me want to use it more.
Lucky that I found your channel. Subbed. Great stuff
Honestly the whole arc idea could actually make TF2 melee weapons useful for once
I have never seen a knife in the distance and thought it was an adrenaline shot. Idk how you'd think that, their shapes are very different. Also the model doesn't look good, it's from CS:S, so it sticks out like a sore thumb along with the other CS:S weapons that were enabled in the TLS update for no reason.
also, the knife is black, and the adrenaline injector is white
I think they enabled those weapons since they were able to lower the rating of the german version. The weapons were originally specific for them, because they got a censored game with decreased blood and dismemberment back when the game first launched. But since a lot of people liked them and enabled those weapons through plugins they tought it would be a good idea to add them to the base game, so now that the germans can play it uncensored, there is no need for those weapons to be available only to one country. A model upgrade and polish wouldn't be bad tho.
@@leandrogoslean889 It's definitely on our list for things we want to revisit and overhaul if given the opportunity. Unfortunately time crunch and deadlines are omnipresent in any form of game development and those weapons fell victim to that, but we're well aware of everyone's feedback and have a plan to work on as soon as we're able to.
How about you make a good game Fezezen
@Аьзоно I know Fezezen I was messing with him I just wasn't funny or clever about it at all
The golf club actually has some varied swinging animations which allowed me to make a playable golf course on the workshop.
This video is so well made its even kinda scary
nightstick has always been my favorite for some reason. for a blunt weapon, they ragdoll almost as fast as sharps because it has the fastest interval. cant wait till some nerd makes a b4b mod for l4d2 so we can forget that nonsense ever existed. cool to see so many ppl still playing after so many years.
Dude I swear, they marketed it as L4D3, but it looked like one of those bad Indie games.
But what about melee weapons shoving zombies away? It feels like this also differs from weapon to weapon
"They're classified as backup melee's"
Me who just becomes a samurai when I pick up the katana and use it the whole campaign and only switch to primary with tanks
nice video!!
Let's be honest, in a real life zombie apocalypse would you be using this small knife. It'll be the last choice for a weapon 😂
⭐ The strongest melee: Chainsaw (but it will run out of gas) ✅
⭐ Best Ones: Machete, Katana/Golf Club, Axe (The Machete is so damn fast and versatille. The Axe is slower but it can be found in almost every map and has greater, larger arc swing. The Katana/Golf Club is the mix of the two) ✅
⭐ Shovel and Tonfa are great if you can use it right. They have their own pros and cons ✅ They're worse than the Knife in some criterias
And for me the Knife is still far better than the Crowbar, Pitchfork, Pan, Guitar, Baseball/Cricket Bat 👍
The bat and pan are a bit underrated imo
@@TheDemonChara I agree with you on that: they're surely underrated👍 Baseball/Cricket Bat and Pan are easy to be found between maps, and have been overlooked by a lot of players even though they're useful in some ways 🔥 The Guitar is just a slower, weaker and blunt version of the Axe. The Pitchfork is freaking annoying to use. And the Crowbar is slow af ⭐
@David TPHK The Crowbar is the slowest melee (the golden version is just a bit faster)...Despite its freaking low-speed attack, at least Crowbar is a sharp weapon, so it can cut Smoker's tongue (the thing that Pan, Baseball/Cricket Bat, Guitar,...cannot do) 👍
@@TheDemonChara the bat isn't horrible but the pan is small and slow, worst of both worlds
Shovel is incredibly overrated. best melee by far aside from chainsaw.
The amount of depth in this game is astounding
Clearly the best melee weapon is the frying pan, if you say otherwise you are lying to yourself.
"Random crits are fair and balanced"
They did it... crazy bastars made knife viable
IT HITS HORIZONTALLY LEFT AND RIGHT.
it has a medium attack interval. it deals damage horizontally left and right.
fun fact:
if you enable 'easy mode' in the add ons, you'll realise that for all the melee weapon's attack range, the knife really is crap
Have to disagree about the sound effect for the knife. It's way to stock, royalty free sound, in my opinion. Makes me cringe everytime I hear it.
Yo this video is good and over my head a bit because of the movement laser talk
This Channel is Underrated....
an interesting thing about the chainsaw is that it allows you to take less damage when it's in use
Alot of these weapons arent on xbox
gonna switch that show swing command on fs, thank you
Hey you think you can make a video about The down survivors when they hang off the edge Mechanic I'm kind of curious as to how it works
I can't remember ever being fooled by the knife into thinking it was a syringe.
Probably because almost all of my play hours are from *before* that update.
Hey, the knife maybe bad, but atleast is better than the pistol.
True
True and also false...
Akimbo is boss
Better than the Scout, you mean.
Not that it matters, now it's machete-tier again.
Howdy! Nice video!
Its so great they added this and removed laugh and taunt. Removed content is really the best.
TLS-update was the best update for L4D2. Finding A Bread knife instead of something useful really makes my day.
I can’t tell if this is satire or not.
@@doggoadexx2680 i guess you're just that dumb.
@@doggoadexx2680 it is, this guy also does the same on steam forum😂
So i was just playing death center with some friends and tried to get the pole position achivement
One of our friends who recently got the game started using the knife because he had a cool csgo skin and we tried to tell him that it was awful
So we get to the finale and we ran out of time to get the achivement because he would try to melee everything with the knife
He is no longer our friend
If only this friendship had waited until last August, when the knife was made good again...
1:30 looks strikingly like the death knights projectile attack in quake
All of this knife,pichfork, and shovel info is completely new to me cause I have only played lfd on the Xbox.
I didn't know that, thank for this fact
Very nice video
I wanted to ask
Did you think about adding the Riot Shield while in production? Considering it's a fairly common melee for players that stay in Co-Op mode
I don't think they'll ever add that
I just noticed the knife sound effect of pulling out is the same one from CSGO
I always sing the Paul Bunyan song in my head when using the axe.
Woah woah wait, where the hell did the golf club and pitchfork come from? I've never seen them anywhere
6:00
Very relatable, I died because it was Dead Center Mall and the crescendo event started, I was far away from my teammates and when I grabbed the knife, I was too late to realise it wasn't adrenaline.