Colin and Issac finally talks | Why Issac was mad | Ted Lasso 3x09
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McAdoo wasn't mad because he was homophobic or something. He was mad because he felt Colin didn't trust him. Fantastic episode.
Yes never see that coming
Nope, Isaac was more mad at himself. One, for being someone his best friend couldn't trust. And two, after hearing a fan shout faggot at the team, he realised, it happened so many times, he didn't have the chance to be there for his best friend. So, to Isaac, his best friend had to deal with this shit all alone for many many years just because he couldn't be a better friend.
I feel like he was more scared that he was being untrustworthy
Well it's very hard to trust someone that is homophobic, so valid concern.
@@gcbryan89I think it was a combination of the two.
The key line is “What is it about me that made you think that you couldn’t tell me?”
At first, he probably felt really hurt that Colin had been hiding such a huge part of himself from him even though he was his best friend, and took that as an implicit suggestion that he came off as homophobic. It was that suggestion that cut deep. So that’s why he directed his anger towards Colin.
But on the flipside, he was probably also reflecting on his own behaviour in the past and how he might’ve contributed to an environment where Colin felt he had to stay in the closet, and in turn started to feel angry and ashamed at himself for allowing it to happen. That’s why he directed his anger at the fan. Hearing a slur that he’d probably heard many times before, but now knowing his best friend is gay, made him realise how much homophobia actually exists in the world, and that his failure to directly challenge it may have been part of the problem, and in that moment, he decided those days were over and he was going to sort that motherfucker out.
His tone when he asked that question suggested he wasn’t so much looking for an answer as waiting for confirmation to something he already suspected. So he was relieved when Colin assured him it had nothing to do with him.
It’s rare for a TV show to explore healthy, platonic male relationships. This show has raised the bar.
People who can't recognize a platonic relationship don't have any friends. And if they do have friends, then their friends are shitheads.
Very wholesome indeed
Well no, a TON of shows have explored the healthy, platonic male friendship thing. It's been done to death, but Lasso did it well as usual. Respect, but this isn't a thing.
@@vmskum because it needs to be a separate convo lol
umm Turk and JD: whimsical sometimes, grounded others, and addressing from within and outside the relationship when it becomes unhealthy
Colin: _"I love you. .... You can't say it, can you."_
Isaac: _"No. ... But you know I do, yeah?"_
That hits home.
It's a line that has been said a million times, even between guy friends, but because of how it's said: makes it a unique moment.
He's trying and his heart is there but the comfort level isn't yet. He'll get there.
That´s real men for you. Not that stereotypes one that are afraid of "feeling" something.
A true sign that your straight friend is supportive of you: they ask you a million questions about being gay.
I mean, if opportunity presented itself who wouldn't ask a million about it from their gay friend if they are okay with it though 😂
So true ☺️
actually so true, to me this kind of reaction shows that they aren't at all uncomfortable with it and don't feel like they're walking on eggshells, and that's how you want it to be around friends. it also shows that, even if they have some internalised homophobia, they're working on it.
“but you know I do, yeah” I’ve rewatched this scene so many times already and I cry every time.
The reason why Isaac was mad is so cute lol
My heart!!!!
It's a great counter-reply. Isaac can't say he loves him, but "you know I do", and Colin doesn't have to say "I know" because he knows too.
The first time I heard it, I thought he had said “You know I’d do you”. Not gonna lie, disappointed that that’s not what he said
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when he says the 1% chance scared him so much, it's exactly how I felt telling my parents
Proud of you brother xoxo
Praise the sun!
My best friend thought she couldn't tell me for a similar reason. I was initially mad about it, too, because I felt hurt that she was afraid to come out to me. Turns out, she had a close family member completely closed her off after coming out. After that, I understood why she didn't want to tell me; in case I reacted the same way.
Still my oldest and dearest friend. And her soon-to-be wife is cool people, too.
I'm assuming you eventually did, and good for you bud. Always be true to yourself.
That’s the nub
Them agreeing that Bumbercatch was their best looking player was my favourite moment 😂
Lol what a surprise too
to be honest, he *is* really fit.
It’s easily Jamie.
throwing shade at Cumberbatch
@@nelsaan Deliberate mix-up of the c and B?!
When Colin says "you'll never guess" and Isaac's eyes go back and forth for a second and he replies "Bumbercatch." Just hilarious
LIke he had to ask anyways, Bumbercatch is obviously a swiss and obviously the most fit guy in the team.
Nah it’s Jamie.
Remember when Isaac and Colin were Jamie’s lackeys and Nate's bullies? Now they’re two of my favorite characters.
Yes season one their characters have no depth
Much like Colin in the team showers, they experienced growth.
You had me dying bro 😂
@@Timeless-Moments Without the first season, you wouldn't have seen the revelations. Every character which came off as bad or arrogant or hostile have been exposed to be people (not characters) with issues and foibles and reasons for their previous expressions. They are still as seen in season one (except Roy's voice is a little deeper!), but now we see them are fuller more rounded individuals.
Jamie couldn't have had his breakthrough without being the asshole of S1. Doctor Sharon couldn't have had her own revelations without coming off as an asshole to Ted in S2. This is the heart and soul (also sole) of good writing. Not giving an audience what they want; but taking them on a journey. Telling them a story.
It's the Lasso Way.
@@xgonne Well said
"My man." Isaac's deadpan comedic timing was cranked up to 11 this episode.
1967 Raquel Welch was fit tho. 🤣 I said the same thing 😀
Love how wholesome this show is, he finds out his best mate is gay, and it goes with him not being able to be around him, not as you would think because he is homophobic, but because he feels like his best mate could not trust him, and he felt hurt by that. And then when they work it out, they go back to the banter, and "telling" each other they love each other. Its perfect. Should have had more seasons.
Coach Lasso was right earlier.
you can’t just ACCEPT your gay friend. you have to BE THERE for them too.
Isaac went from a character who's name I could barely remember in season 1 to legitimately one if my favourite characters by season 3
I share the same feeling
1:50 That expression on Colin's face is just... perfect. It's equal parts "That's that, then" and "I'm glad that happened" and "I'm so lucky" and "Isaac is me best mate".
Their bromance is everything
This conversation literally made me cry the first time i watched it
This show allows its audience to live through these characters and its so cathartic. In real life some straight friends faze you out and Colin addresses that fear perfectly. "I was 99% sure you'd support me but that 1% that you wouldn't scared the crap out of me". As someone who lost friends after coming out, this hits hard and I'm just happy for a happy ending 😂
"1967 Raquel Welch." Best possible answer to that question: abstract, historical, and a simple Google search will get any straight man's agreement
Meh, no disrespect but this would not be my first choice. Wouldn't even be in my top 20.
Please enlighten me I really want to know more :)
@@Timeless-Moments No disrespect. We all have our choices. But for me as a straight dude, I gotta go with Matrix Keanu. Beautiful man.
@@williammccormick984 I don’t think he was talking to you
''The One'' is the best xoxo
This show always picked the best ending song! I love Richmond so much.
So am I. I am so ready to spend my monthly salary on all AFC Richmond merch lol
I immediately looked up and added that Bears Den song to my morning drive music.
Their song curation is always on point. My fave are the Rainbow song when Roy come back to Richmond, the song when Roy hugs Jamie after his father abuses him, and that Bears Den song especially when Nate hugs Jade.
Edit:
An addition: the Lumineers song when Roy touched the Believe sign.
@@rhonita I had no idea who bears den was before that scene.
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There were so many great moments in this episode. Thanks for uploading.
Yes indeed and I should be the one who thanking you Sir
That "But you know I do, yeah?" hits hard.
The actor who plays colin would be great in the title role of doctor who
I'd be up for that!!
Yes a great idea
For the record: those are valid questions, I would need to know those things too.
So simple and so beautiful. Every time makes me tear up.
This show is amazing in how it finds amazing actors for these minor roles. Anyone of the actors in the scene could carry a series on their own.
One of the best story lines of the show.
Kinda wish we saw this friendship from the beginning of the show or a flash-back of them when they were kids in the youth leagues
Well collin is from cardiff, so itd be a bit of stretching.
@@blunk778 true but many football clubs have academies for children and they live at the training grounds
I knew why Issac was mad from the beginning it made the most sense regarding his character
I didn't see that coming tbh
@@Timeless-Moments I didn't see it coming, either. I kept thinking that the writers didn't understand Isaac at all. Like they weren't the ones who created the CREATED the character! LOL!
When you go back and watch Colin over the course of the series, you begin to realize how much that 1% was holding Colin back on a sub-conscious level. His coming out to his teammates, who had his back was such a liberating moment.
In my head canon, if Richmond is like most other Premier League teams, Richmond probably has an academy as part of the team and I can easily see Isaac and Colin being friends since Childhood. It is why when I watched Isaac's response to his discovery about Colin in the previous episode, I felt that Isaac was probably hurt that Colin didn't tell him than be offended.
I don't know anything about British football. Is that why Roy got scouted and had to go off when he was only 9 years old?
@@TheMonroemomma Yes. I'm no expert by any means but kids can be recruited at a very young age to join a Football Club's Academy. It is roughly like going to a boarding school for young aspiring football players. Some Team's academys have reeeeeally long reaches. Lionel Messi was born in Argentina but caught the eye of a scout for Barcelona and ended up moving to Spain to attend Barcelona's Academy. And ended up being a crown jewel in a generation of players from Barcelona's Academy that dominated Spanish and European Football for years.
It's a great scene. I'm sure having a secret like that is hard on someone. Always worrying about slipping up, making a mistake and not being able to confide in your friends.
This series is like the movie The Intouchables. If you would just tell the story for somebody, it will be automatically sound cheesy/full of cliché/cringe.
But in reality they do it so god damn brilliant, it is works amazingly and never feel forced or unreal.
This is the definition of "Feel Good" movie, series what ever it is. Even it is full of real life drama and seriousness, when it is over, you feel better about your self and the world.
In the world we live in now we need shows this like to keep us going. Kindness and love
I think that's the hardest part to explain to people, it earns how fucking cheesy and schmaltzy this show is. When you explain everyone looks at you like "sports show? No thanks." Then you try to explain the intricacies but realize you can't because telling someone how layered and well developed this show is like a spoiler in and of itself. You just have to experience it.
When George Hearn’s voice came in with “I Am What I Am” 🥲😭
Aside from this great important scene, anyone else take note of the well-stocked and immaculate-looking bar behind them in his home?
1:22 it's giving mess with my gay homie, and ima identity as a fucking problem
Bloody beautiful.
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It's so beautiful
FRIENDSHIP!!!!!!!!!!
Isaac's expression just kills me.
Lmfaoooo how do u have a lock 🔒 on a glass door 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"I love you-- you can't say it can you?"
"no, but you know I do"
has got to be my new favorite friendship dynamic
Hughes and Mcadoo first time playing FIFA 23! 1:58
Gay Welsh and a Hughes - Triple Threat And Proud
Head down with global warming. I usually just do math!
Keep my head down and think of global warming…
Global warming could be arousing lol
@@Timeless-Moments please describe in what way? I'm genuinely curious
beautiful
My barber is lesbian and she asks me questions about being straight all the time. It's so funny to talk about because she's just genuinely curious about the guy mindset.
This show is great, I hope this isn't the last season.
It was planned for 3 seasons only but Jason didn't answer the question of there being a season 4 or not directly in all press
I know, but selfishly I want this series to continue for another 10 years
I know right 😊
I mean, at this point even the cast has been nagging Jason to make season 4. The actress who plays Rebecca said she’d be heartbroken if it ends here.
So I think all these voices in unison saying “we want more” goes a long way. Fingers crossed he listens
I don't know if they can keep the quality tho but i gotta believe like how Ted said it i guess
jeez, straights are bloody hard work!!!!!!!!
😂
I would put the writing on this show against any show before it.
Have they re-used the stairs from Keeley Jones's place?
"1967 Raquel Welch."
"My man."
Perfection.
I lost my shit when I heard George Hearn.
Yeah, I couldn't tell him I love him, either. I can't even say that to my male relatives.
As a hetro man I fully support my gay friends but beg that they understand that is is not easy for me to understand everything. We love you and support you, the difficulty in the situation(s) are ours, not yours!
The actor who play Cody banks
Is there a word for platonic romace? Thats the only way i can think to describe this scene.
What is this show called?
Ted Lasso
.... bumbercatch
Ya he’s on the team hahaha
I'll assume you went to a high school .... or NOT?
2:30
but you know i do, yeah?
Issac needs to put himself in Colin's shoes and ask himself "Would he be comfortable telling anyone (inc. his close friend) about his sexual orientation?" While being gay is acceptable in today's climate, it's still a hot button issue for those who've not exactly come around to. Especially in the world of football.
What is this?
Why'd they spell his name wrong
This show has a such beautiful messages in it then any new woke-forced show can give, genuine grown-man-crying messages
Why couldnt isaac say i love you back?
He’s not good with expressing his feelings. But because they’re best friends, he didn’t have to say. He showed that he did, by just coming over and talking it out
because it's gay. technically he did btw as a straight guy would say to a close friend....
Eww no. Mila Kunis. Jamie Tart…. No. Really!…. I stare at the tiles and think of England…. I love ya boyo.
To me this episode felt like it wasn’t Isaac being a homophobe. It was more like he felt betrayed cause Colin didn’t tell him he was gay and that made him question if they really were close as friends as he thought for all those years
No offense but I think that is the point
Btw genuine question here: did we know they were friends? I genuinely felt blindsided by Isaac's reaction. I'm wondering whether I missed subtle scenes showing their friendship across the three seasons
@@shivermetimbers6128 Season one they spent a lot of time together like a dynamic duo.
I've had to flip sexes on the disaster senario with some str8 male friends; if they answer you can tell how secure they are.
Isaac would make a great “woke Klingon” on Star Trek
This whole storyline made no sense to me. I think i must have missed something cos I had no idea Colin and Isaac were friends. Obviously they were teammates, seemed to get along reasonably well and they used to bully Nate together. As far as I'm aware, that was the extent of their association. We never saw them grab a pint together or hang out at each other's place so why would Isaac have expected Colin to ever confide in him? I think a couple of scenes of them doing friend-stuff at any point over the three seasons would have done the trick but I just find it hard to believe Isaac and Colin were actually longtime close friends (which is what Isaac's reaction suggests) this whole time
Huh, I hadn't thought about it, but you're right. There aren't any overt displays of their closeness. I did assume it, though. I guess it was all of the shots of them standing close by like besties do, or little asides, or meaningful looks? Not sure what magic was used to make me completely accept their close friendship.
When you re-watch the next time, look for how many times they are sitting together when they are out in clubs, etc. It's not overt, but it's there. I love the subtlety of this show! There's always new things to pick up on with each watch.
😢 z. 0
Cringe
I hate this entire scenario. The one being an asshole should realize how obviously difficult it is to come out. It doesn’t matter if they’re friends.
You missed the entire point of the Issac/Colin relationship. Issac owned up to his mistake and apologized like a man, and Colin accepted his apology because he understood his friends feeling and lack of awareness of Colins feeling and struggles with hiding his sexuality. This scene and the one where he get the red card for going after the fan for his homophobic remark IS Issac realizing how difficult it was Colin all these years. He didn’t force Colin to come out, when Issac found out he kept it to himself and handed it in a manner that was not fair to Colin, but he never said a word to anyone. For you to look at this and just classify Issac as an asshole because he struggled with understanding his own feeling in the situation, then learning from his mistake, to then defended his friend for slander and make the effort to apologize man to man, backing his friend no matter what his sexuality is. The whole point of Ted Lasso as a show is to highlight the growth people can achieve, and that is exactly what this scene is doing for Issac. As a gay man who was in the process of coming out to friends and family, I felt Colin’s feelings but I also sympathize with Issac because everyone has people who they love that they are terrified to tell, even though that person will accept them and people who will need time to process and understand. You being judgmental about this just shows me you totally missed the point of what the show was always meant to be about.
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