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- Prince William and Kate Middleton AVOID Prince Andrew at Order of the Garter | Palace Confidential. Prince William’s role in stopping his uncle Prince Andrew appearing in public this week was splashed across front pages. The Daily Mail’s Diary Editor Richard Eden says this was an example of how he is ‘throwing his weight around more’, by refusing to appear at the Order of the Garter procession alongside his disgraced uncle Prince Andrew. Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge, did, however, appear with his wife Kate Middleton.
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Prince William’s role in stopping his uncle Prince Andrew appearing in public this week was splashed across front pages. Given the past behaviour of Prince Andrew, do you feel the Duke of Cambridge was justified in his decision?
Prince William was absolutely justified in his actions. Charles and William apart from wanting a slimmed down monarchy want to be more accountable and transparent in their actions. Andrew, with his long history of aggrandisement,entitlement and generally obnoxious behaviour, not withstanding the shocking debacle re Virginia Guiffre, seems to have form for not paying his debts (ie his Swiss chalet) and accepting money and other perks from some pretty dubious characters can continue to be allowed to bring disrepute to the monarchy
Cannot be allowed to continue....sorry for the typo!
Absolutely
Yes, because Andrew needs to clean his name, prior of going back to his duties as a prince. Everyone needs a second opportunity but Andrew needs to proof his innocent, first.
Absolutely, but don’t strip his children!
I think Andrew’s problem is that he was born 2nd in line to the throne, and he hasn’t realized that he’s not anymore.
Don’t forget, he’s a pedo. Epstein was a close “friend” of his…
Don't negate Princess Anne's opinion, I'm sure she has a lot of sway with her brother Charles.
Well done William. He may be your uncle, but everybody in your family has a duty to the country. To keep away from any negativity is a wise step
Andrew & Fergie....just leave already
Agree about councellors of state. I think it's a relative emergency. Get rid of Harry and Andrew. Add Anne and Edward.
Unfortunately, who is a Counselor of State is set in law (Regency Act 1937). Harry will cease to be one once he is no longer considered to be domiciled in the UK, but I doubt Andrew will move abroad. After Charles, William, Harry and Andrew, next in line are Edward and his son, James.
Harry should be removed as counselor of state. He does not deserve it. Add Edward and Ann and Countess of Western, Sophie.
@@mimibaird4099 it cannot be done.
Ah...I think you neglected to add MM to your list along with Harry. lol!!!
@@mimibaird4099 the thing is, the position of counselor of state isn’t something that’s given to them. The counselors of state by law are the sovereigns spouse, and the first 4 people in line to the throne over 21.
He is completely unaware of his diminished position because all of his life he has been surrounded by people who never said no to him and pandered to him.
That could also go for Haz. Both are EXACTLY the same!
You know that how? He was t allowed to marry Koo stark the big love. Married fergie as his parents liked and approved her. He went to fly in Falkland war- in harms way not hiding in a bunker like Harry… wife cheated publicly and he he faced the public humiliation with dignity never denigrating fergie. Looked after her even giving her a home with him… brought up girls beautifully… has served as a trade emissary for UK… stoodbyfergie through all of her scandals. He is a man of honour. He is the Queens favourite for a reason. Anti royalist yard busy slandering a man they don’t know and sadly people believe the .
@@PattiPowell I agree, they are both arrogant sods.
@@shelleymalcolmberry2135 what's wrong with you? At a minimum, he was great friends with two convicted child rapists. Why does this have to be explained to you? What sort of moral fiber exists in you?
@@shelleymalcolmberry2135 I cant stand that spoiled man baby
His obsession on being in the public and status! Exactly!! Andrew is a pariah!
Prince William made the right call! The people don’t want to see Andrew in public roles. Even if Andrew was never judged as guilty,still, the people’s choice is a very important consideration.
Andrew was never declared "guilty" because it never went to court, because the Queen paid off (gave Andrew the money to pay off) Giuffre, who was obviously in it for the money). That does not mean he is "clean". He obviously did something legally unsavoury. It just means Giuffre was paid off for her silence.
That's right William, he's in disgrace!
Andrew just does not get it. His lack of self awareness is staggering.
He hides behind the fact that it was a civil case. But he paid for silence and an end to this sordid affair. Not found guilty but neither found innocent. Must accept he is done.
Why should he accept? Innocent until proven guilty! Not vice versa! Your lack of education is staggering!
@@petrareimann598 . Only an idiot settles outside of a court finding - if they are indeed innocent. An idiot and You.
@@neilmattheus1769 Your pathetic ignorance allows do doubt who is the idiot here. A moron who has no idea how a civil case works. A thickhead who does not know that settlements are very common and NEVER an admission of guilt. If you were not such stupid you would ask why the Guiffrething agreed to the settlement although she wanted literally her day in court. Prince Andrew settled for the sake of his family. The trial determined to take place in autumn would have overshadowed the jubilee of his mother. Selfless love is also something you have no idea of I suppose. You are an embarrassment with no knowledge and no education.
@@petrareimann598 Gosh you are a disturbed person. Get Help asap.
@@neilmattheus1769 Seems you are talking to yourself. Your medical status is worse than I supposed. I am afraid you cannot be helped anymore. Lost case.
I agree Andrew needs to retire from public events.
Enjoyed the video P William 40 years. Great job, Thanks
Prince Andrew should not be allowed to do any public royal duties.
he wont be
Andrew is void of any personal reality of how mortifying his relationships and choice of friends past and present are. Being a favorite child of HRH the Queen for all his life hasn’t helped. Andrew is very arrogant, entitled, spoiled and can talk HRH into what he wants. She is 96 and loves her family and wants family peace. Andrew is RUDE to people around him.
He has no shame!
Don't forget Sofie and Edward have two children that could also start to step in.
Andrew has always been a spoiled brat. He won’t take no as an answer. Unfortunately he won’t go away.
How he stood next to his mother on the balcony 😂lol he is ARROGANT
He going kicking and screaming the whole way!!
Hmmm the elders always had a solution for a rambunctious royal....they sent them off to a war to either make it or break it!
@@devilsadvocate4742 they knew what they were doing those elders of yore.
He should be away, locked up in a prison the dirty nonce
William is 40 years old and has acted perfectly in every way. He has the right to speak and be heard.
Aside from the fact that he cheats on his wife.
@@karmad4491 does he now? And your proof of that? Oh right, YOU said so
@@lorrainearmstrong7587 Rose Hanbury's testimony to punish Kate for being a commoner.
Er! That creep. Avoid Andrew everyone. Banish him in an isolated island. No respect for women! Yet, want his titles back? Joker.
8:17 Best thing that was said on this program today. It definitely should be repeated and as loudly as possible!
“Someone that I used to know”
The people are t always right. If being popular is right then it’s wrong.
Judge as you would be judged. Beware
What about Zara She & Mike are great & should do work for the RF
Don’t blame William having a disgraced Uncle out in Public. Keep him out of Public viewing. Not wanted or needed.
Charles is Going to slim down the monarchy anyway,and Andrew was already being excluded from the main pack
Anne and Edward have accepted being sidelined,Andrew hasn't
Fergies endorsement of Andrew doesn’t do him any favors, in my opinion. The 2 of them have consistentently behaved shamefully yet still strut around like the town virgins. Birds of a feather, they are. Very wary of the girls as well for obvious reasons, sorry.
😊😊😊true!
I like Bea..she's a lovely girl to be fair, and loyal to her grandmother.
Charles has been outspoken stating his political views. I agree he may want to reconsider publicly speaking out
Do you mean Charles is wanting to save the Planet I admire him for that that’s nothing to do with Politics 🤦♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@alexandrenawordie3565 No as they pointed out in the video
Excellent program!!
Such an enjoyable episode. I love this channel now, without the conflict. Four respectful, courteous, knowledgeable people in harmonious discussion.
I totally agree with Sharon!!! Well said!
LOL! He's not going to volunteer for anything! If he had gone to the US, he would have been jailed!!l
Andrews RPO could have handed his activity logs to the FBI so as to dispute the accusations by VG. That would be the first line of defence for an innocent person.
If I is is currently being sued shirks who were as young as 11 for sexual abuse. She was no victim but a perpetrator. She is shaking Andrew down as he is low hanging fruit- her only proof is a photo-that he claims and it’s been proven to have been doctored. She won’t hand the original over to the court. Andrew had to settle. Again his life has been affected by the palace. He has given up so much! Starting with Koo Stark…
It was a civil case...not a criminal one.The FBI found he had no case to answer as she was of age.End of story.Same in the UK.Morally dodgy he may be but that doesn't make him a criminal .
@@linrob1312 The most effective PR strategy would have been to be transparent and offer to provide evidence from his RPOs that he was elsewhere. Legally, it was not necessary, but it would have prevented the train wreck that unfolded.
@@rowan3946 clearly he couldn't produce them without criminally implicating himself.
I think Andrew may have done it this way to clear it for his mother whom he loves very much before her upcoming celebrations. I think people forget that they are family in private . Not the heartless individuals that people think they are. You say you love the Queen but spend countless hours verbally destroying her children and grandchildren whom she loves dearly. Love is building up not tearing down. I think you have lost the plot totally.
Very wise for William to move on from Harry’s bipolar behavior and focus his attention on raising his children and the royal duty. Harry and Meghan’s drama will continue as long as news media continue to report on them. The public are exhausted hearing about H&M ready to close the book on them as well.
And you can't breath without mentioning Harry and Meghan. The topic is about William and his uncle Andrew.
Strip the titles.Them 2 Traitors deserve each other.
And can we stop calling their accusations 'revelations'? Nothing was revealed with any proof whatsoever. Harry's book will be more of the same, just empty, spiteful accusations
We all know they sell papers and money talks.
HRH Prince William is trying to protect His Grandmother and The Royal Family. Well Done to Him!
Let’s laugh , the right reason , is that he would like to get more and more privileges,
honours , properties from the queen !
William and kate want to instaure and protect the middleton ’s dynasty with mama
carole and her drank brother ...
I worry that the BRF start worrying too much about popularity polls and not the teachings of the bible, they are the glhead of the church, surely forgiveness and understanding is what they should be showing by their example
@@karamokodivaka7753 exactly it is all Carol and her uncle Carol's brother who are keen in getting the royal family around their fingers 😀 😄 bullying the Queen
@@shelleymalcolmberry2135 iou
Well... EUGENIE may soon follow suit with falling out of favor or at least being viewed with suspicion as she has not hesitated being seen chummy chummy with the Harkles... which has started talk about her being kind of a traitor , specially as The Cambridges will have first picking of a new Windsor residence which she or shameless Andrew might fancy for his daughter even though neither are working royals. More salute to Beatrice who has kept her senses... makes one think that she then really deserves to have worn the much bigger tiara on her wedding day.. than what Eugenie got to borrow for hers ...
What about Princess Anne and Prince Edward and their children? Nobody wants Andrew or his X wife or his children in the Royal watch anymore. Move onto more deserving and loyal Royals.
Prince William is correct in not allowing Andrew to participate in the royal garter ceremony. Is Andrew insane??? Why in the world would Andrew want to appear in a royal event that involves honor and integrity!! Are you kidding me.
WoW, you made your point already in your first sentence, did you really needed 3 sentences more to make your opinion clear?! 🤣😂
but he if keep paying people off there will never be a court case so will never be found guilty
What marvelous red shoes!! Love from America 🇺🇸❤️🇬🇧
H&M damage so much the monarchy that it shouldn’t be anything left for them, they lost big time, William as future kind is looking forward. Like the Queen , he is responsible
what harry&meghan?? this was about Andrew!! are you dreaming about harry&meghan at night?
The Monarchy is not damaged' by Harry stepping down, the damage and reputation has already been done by charles' camila and Andrew scandal and wills alleged affair.+ all the bad things they're getting caught out of doing today.
As an American, my view is that there cannot ever be a reconciliation between the two brothers as long as H is married to MM. Should they ever divorce and H realize the damages he has caused, that any reconciliation is possible. H was raised Royal but is trying to be a celebrity. They are not at all the same and MM will never understand the difference.
Stick to your American opinion and leave Harry and Meghan alone. You don’t know the royal family’s dynamics.
@@peshkay6583 AUWCH HIHI 👏
Well said
AND!
MEGHAN FOR USA PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KATE FOR BRITSHIT QUEEN COMFORT(for willy) poor woman. Sad future😭👏
@@john_cockpit and THAT would be a solid 'UP YOURS'
@@lorrainearmstrong7587 yeah well, you will never know that.
Because; Kate has to wait in a queue for atleast 15 years. She will be SIXTY FIVE.😲
@@john_cockpit LOL. So funny! A nasty man with a low life outlook
Thank you. See you next week.
Prince William will be a great King and he will do excellent job and most of all he will recover and returns back the credibility, power, and reputation of this royals. Also, Kate will bring light and purity. But is the Queen decision… hope she decided for her grandson. I think he is the best example of a great man so he will be great king. England request William should be king is in your hands.
Excellent job , purity , just in your small dream !
William and kate , a haughty , selfish , narcistic , lazy royal couple .
He is much too serious for his 40 years and has none of the light-heartedness of the Queen who has it till date with her skit with Paddington bear! He needs a balance
The line of succession is Charles, william, George. Unless Charles abdicates which is unlikely. It is not a talent contest or a pick your favourite.
You’re so right bernadette, william and kate should respect the line of succession, even
these 2 are very eager to stay at the throne, with mama carole and the dynasty middleton.
@@bernadettespeakman355 Its true! But I believed in miracles. I think England people will love to see William and Kate instead of Charless and Camila. But is not my opinion is the people of England to judge and the Queen to decide. I think with Charles will be not motivation to improve the Royals situation, Will and Kate will be new opportunities and new horizons. The people of Englands needs to start new ideas of the Royal, with Charles they will never forget that he betrayed princess Diana, a princess that everyone loves and with William is like showing that the monarchy corrects their problems the best possible and trust will be back. But, I know that, will never happen
It's all a side show. Andrew is a cad, and other colorful metaphors.
Beatrice,yes! Eugenie- No!
Sorry Princess Eugenie is getting backlash on following suit to Harry & his wife. Revealing pictures of their children’s backs and limbs. Eugenie wisened up by revealing August at the Jubilee. Ah but wait, Lilibet made a special appearance as well, what a coincidence 🙄. Obviously gave in on changing her wedding date, lived in Frogmore house while Harry and his wife quit the RF, hung out in Canada with Harry and his wife when they still were not married. Participated in Harry’s wife 40/40 failed project. Guess she’s the one who introduced them and the cause of RF and UKs woes.
Like Harry, Andrew has never been taught that actions do have consequences
Harry has been aware of consequences. You lot haven't failed to keep reminding him.
Andrew has always been a spoilt pompous arrogant man he should just disappear into the background, but he is insisting on coming back into the Royal family and starting were he left off he will not be welcomed by me that’s for sure he should never be allowed to represent the Queen ever again.
Spoilt and pompous and arrogant, Prince Andrew’s perfect description!
How he stood next to his mother on the balcony 😂lol he is ARROGANT
He DID assault that girl otherwise why would he pay her off?
@@hollywoodisasataniccult4022 He was not on the balcony with his mother at the jubilee he claimed he had covid
Diana, Princess of Wales, was stripped of her "HRH', and all she did to 'deserve' that was get divorced.
Charles has always spoken out about Politics, and other embarrassing Subjects, he’s Too Old, Charles Will definitely NOT unite the U.K. ..William CAN 👏👏👏👏❤️
What utter BS JOAN 🤦♀️ it’s set in Law Charles will be King and William will be after him plus William would Support his Father.
William to busy burning his brother Harry. William have issues.
Prince Harry grew his beard and chose the Mrs Simpson as his ancestor did its just unfortunate that in comparison Wallis Simpson had compassion and actual love for Edward and wanted only the best Meghan Markle has no clue what shewants she doesn't remember know how old sheactually is never mind what colour today to show and how her no proof babies were born and from whom all is too questionable take the questionable offspring and in collusion Harry out if the line of succession William has heirs to spare hes done his duty William knows the way forward for the royal family William and Katherine are the future delete the dead wood get rid delete the names from the succession enough is enough the Duke and duchess of Netflix are done and should be gone enough damage has been done get rid
Wallis never loved David. She was enamored with his status and little else. She married David because she was out of other options. By that point, the scandal was so extreme that her reputation was ruined. No other man of means would have her. Meghan wants a solo spotlight at center stage. That is why she left the Commonwealth for greener pastures. It finally dawned on her that she could never steal the spotlight as the wife of number 6. None of her sleazy little tricks gained her any ground.
How can the Royals strip Harry of military honors for stepping away but Andrew….ugh.
Andrews has been stripped of everything except for this one thing
Andrew earned his and was a genuine hero in the Falklands War.
He also never bad mouthed the RF or his country.
@@rosemarymurlis-hellings8138 He’s no hero.
LOVE what you said.
Hoàng tử Wiliam sử sự đúng mức. Cần như thế,
No one wants Andrew around
Don’t the royals pace or decide which royals will attend which day at Ascot?
You do not pay all that money for a service you never had
William and Kate, Charles and Camilla are right to stay away from him.
Absolutely
Andrew will be like Harry and Meghan next to be booded out, it will be so embarrassing to him and royal.
He's going kicking and screaming the whole way!
Sorry, Andrew. William is going to be king, and you're ... not.
Stop calling Catherine Cambridge Kate Middleton, she has been married to Prince William for 11 years and that's when her name changed. So please have some respect and use her real name, are you going to call her Kate Middleton when she is Queen Consort!!??? Seriously you should know better!! Prince William has to speak up and make the hard decisions when Charles won't..He will be King one day and he is showing he has the right qualities for that!!
I agree "waity katie" is much more proper!!!
SHE AND HER MOTHER WERE SICKLY OBSESSED WITH THE ROYAL STATUS OF WILLIAM, she will be "waity katie" forever!!!!
After Queen Camilla, Kate Middleton might be able to fill her shoes as Queen consort, in 20/30 years.🤣
Enjoy the wait, she'll be 'waity katie' all over again.
@@AT-kx6fj Meghan,is it you?
The queen did not avoid Prince Andrew. She drew a line between the Royal Family and her family. Andrew always remained her son even while she removed his status as a working royal.
Andrew and Harry have some things in common .
William is absolutely right ….. how can The Queen not see this ? He’s a bully and treats people badly let alone his choice of friends, certainly not Order of Chivalry. William will be an excellent King
Long live the Queen!
He should never be around young woman.
Yah! Nice to see Rebecca!
Andrew did choose to step away by his actions
You people are crazy to think this dude actually has any role with the firm and that says something when he can’t hangout with that corrupt bunch. LoL
Amen 🙏
That is what Michael Jackson did. He settled but said he didn't to do it.
Nailed it
I believe it was someone higher that told them to not speak to them.william and Katherine were thrown under the bus alot of times.
Andrew may have the Support of his Ex Wife!, & Kids!, but?, ..... that's about it!.
Harry did do mistake but Andrew worsted and still the queen chose him to accompanying here for thanksgivings was disgrace for prince Charles and rest of family! !
Andrew should be made Governor General of St Helena or Ascension Island, both two isolated British outposts in the Mid-Atlantic - and spend the rest of his miserable life there - never to be seen or heard from again.
lest Andrew stuck up for his mother that's why Camilla did not go to his daughters weddings he never welcomed her when Charles married her
I love these episodes. ..they're fun!
William are the future, AndreW needs to retire .The Queen deserves peace in her later years
Okay simp.
Long live ur show
Personally I wish they would ALL go and find work they can do.
Thank you Kate for not calling “ us , The Commonwealth “ ------Realms . Feels like LOTRS.
it would be a pity if william was seen to be righteous and vindictive.
It would indeed. He is protecting the monarchy.
I wonder what Princess Diana would think her boys fighting. I'm sure she wouldn't be happy ! Smh
William will never, ever be seen as those things as he is not those things. Sorry, Harry - nice try.
The boys are not fighting. The situation is far more nuanced. You may have been on holiday on another planet, but Harry has betrayed his brother, his family & his Queen in the most aggressive & unfortunate way upon direction of the spider he married. Oh, and we believe you are a troll here on behalf of the unfortunate couple if not Meghan herself. Especially as there are other trolling remarks here that insult Prince William. Very easy to spot, you are.
@@Emily-jo7jn I think she'd still be more concerned that in-laws had her murdered.
I’m so sorry William is going thru that. The Queen never could have realized that those “boys” not men would act like this! She would be ashamed. Fergy only wants a free place to live.
You will be blessed to have Prince William and Princess Catherine as King and Queen one day. I just wish Princess Catherine could slow down a bit
Eugenie and Beatrice pocketed hundreds of thousands of pounds of inexplicable payments without a blink of an eye. Only two payments have been outed, and no answers to questions are forthcoming. Andrew alone is not the problem.
Well I cannot blame William, until that mess get sorted out he wants to avoid him at all costs but he can't do it forever though.
One always had to deserve the crown. There were always big scandals.
Ditto ✅✅
All these so called experts 🙄🙄🙄
The monarchy is weak they will never make Harry and Meghan give up their titles.
Maybe we need to go back to head n shoulders. I'm agreeable that Prince Andrew should not have attended. However, nothing chivalrous about Tony Blair dressing like a prat... once upon a time people were worthy of this title and the public were behind them. High time this tradition was stopped if we have to watch Tony Blair parading around when he has blood on his hands. It is an archaic procedure and does not represent what the public wants... Prince Andrew and Tony Blair should crawl back outside of the public gaze if the Crown wants to be respected.
I wonder how much of the public purse is dependent on people that are so removed from public feeling. It is insulting and if the monarchy is to continue a shake up is required. I am not in favour of PC issues... perhaps, when people are struggling to eat or feed this process is an absolute farce are needs to be kicked into touch.
Oh that photo album of William for his ;0th was SOOO Beautiful!!! How could anyone not totally love William. He is the ultimate perfect male specimen I think could possibly exist! In every way inside and out!
He is pure perfection and Kate is the luckiest girl in the world, this is a fact.
So agree. ♥️
What are you?
Kate is so "lucky" to be cheated on by future "King William."
His bald head looks like an egg
🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣. can I have some of the stuff your on.😄
She is Catherine Cambridge or just Catherine but calling a lady by her surname alone is bad manners , that’s how I was raised also I think the Duchess of Cambridge has earned her right to use her married name not Middleton , this is so disrespectful, lack of manners in my book
Since her marriage to HRH Prince William The Duke of Cambridge, his wife is now HRH The Duchess of Cambridge. No Catherine, Duchess Catherine, Duchess Kate, and never Kate Middleton! (There is no such person anymore.) There are rules as to how members of The Royal Family are to be called. If Prince William becomes HRH The Prince of Wales, she will be HRH The Princess of Wales - not Princess Catherine because she is not a Princess of The Blood Royal. The Duchess of Cambridge will never be called by her first name until she is The Queen. She then may called either HM The Queen or HM Queen Catherine.
I would love to know the maker of the dress that Jo Elvin is wearing. It is beautiful.
You couldn't make this stuff up.....or could you ?😂
Prince William is not ready yet let Prince Chrarles be the king first he well prepare for the job
Uh, that is how it works
I think you should deal more with the Royal Family's efforts on behalf of the disadvantaged and others like that. All this stuff about their personal lives is boring & stupid.
Apparently I am not finished with Andrew. Grow up!
Why keep on hittinf him on the head? He made a mistake is paying for it and best of all he is family. Forgive that is what must be done. He will always pay for what he did
PW is a lot of things...BUT...He is NOT A Mental Health Therapist...PH needs Medical Help and legal help for what should be happening next in his life with his Frankenstein wife.
The ghastly Andrew is trying to bully his mother as he knows he is her favourite & after she dies he stands no chance
It’s always puzzled,and appalled me,that anyone could make it public,or even known,by anyone,that they have a favourite child.It’s just wrong.
She's a bit older than his usual type, but incest is a treasured Royal tradition!
where do you find her special profile of Prince William?
By settling out of court, he basically admitted that he did the abuse. An innocent man would have fought the lawsuit in court. Prince Andrew could have asked for a delay for the court date.
Wrong. He was made to settle as it was thought to overshadow the queens jubilee. He did not want to. He was made to.
@@shelleymalcolmberry2135 paying 12m to someone you never met overshadowed the jubilee even more than deciding to fight for your innocence and proving you never met someone you gave 12m to
It’s not just the settlement. Andrew’s long term relationship with Maxwell & Epstein (even after Epstein’s first conviction) is concerning. There is no honest reason for Epstein’s massive fortune. Andrew was either unbelievably naive/dense or being coerced (blackmailed). He is a security risk.
🇬🇧💂🏦Royal leadership put back Andrew inside the closet 😳
the Queen paid off Andrews settlement...so he never paid and retribution!!!!