Part 7 - SAFE and Bailout Setup - Spektrum 6250HX Flybarless Controller Setup Series
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- In this video we walk you through the procedure on installing SAFE and a Bailout (panic) button with the Spektrum 6250HX Flybarless Flight Controller. Follow along with Tom to learn how and get some tips and tricks along the way!
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The FC6250HX is a powerful flybarless helicopter stabilization system that features the latest AS3X and SAFE Stabilization technology to deliver an extremely user friendly and precise Helicopter flying experience. Ideal for 3D aerobatic, F3C Precision, and Scale helicopter models up to 700 size. Featuring a leading edge 6-axis M.E.M.S. inertial gyro, powerful and fast 32 bit ARM M4 Cortex processor and proprietary Advanced Adaptive Flight Control Algorithms, pilots will enjoy predictable and precise flight characteristics, excellent tail holding and rock-solid piro-compensation with the added security of assignable SAFE technology.
SAFE technology allows pilots to operate within user defined flight modes that automatically keep the model in a manageable attitude and constantly levels the model when the control sticks are returned to center. Additionally, pilots can use SAFE technology to utilize a Panic Recovery option, which will nearly instantly right the model into an upright and controllable attitude to within 4 degrees of level. All these features are completely setup and tuned straight from your compatible Spektrum transmitter via Forward Programming Menu.
Forward Programming allows pilots to easily setup, program, and tune the FC6250HX with no need for extra hardware, devices, or computers. Pilots can quickly make tuning changes on the flight line to the swashplate, tail rotor, SAFE stability, flight modes and more, right from their compatible Spektrum transmitter. And if the sensor needs calibrated after a crash or repair to your model, it can easily be done in the Forward Programming menu. And if there is ever any advancement or changes to the FC6250HX, updating is simple with the Spektrum USB Programmer and PC programmer application.
Here are links to the other parts of this video series
Part 1- Introduction • Part 1 - Introduction ...
Part 2 - Installation and Binding • Part 2 - Install and B...
Part 3 - Transmitter Setup • Part 3 - Transmitter S...
Part 4 - Swashplate Setup • Part 4 - Swashplate Se...
Part 5 - Tail Rotor Setup • Part 5 - Tail Rotor Se...
Part 6 - Final Steps and Preflight Checks • Part 6 - Final Steps a...
Part 7 - Safe and Bailout Setup • Part 7 - SAFE and Bail...
Part 8 - Smart Technology Setup (coming soon)
Part 9 - Tuning with James (coming soon)
Equipment used in this video series
Blade Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo - www.horizonhob...
Spektrum 6250HX w/ 4651T Telemetry Rx (included with Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo) -
Spektrum iX20 Smart Transmitter - www.horizonhob...
Fusion 480 Stretch Kit - www.horizonhob...
Spektrum Avian 100 Amp Smart ESC (included with Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo) - www.horizonhob...
Spektrum H6050 Cyclic Servos (included with Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo) -
Spektrum H6360 Brushless Tail Servo - www.horizonhob...
Spektrum SPM4767 Remote Rx - www.horizonhob...
Spektrum Smart Lipo - www.horizonhob...
TL90 Digital Pitch Gauge - www.amazon.com...
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Hi Tom love the videos i am setting up a trex 550 e using the 6250hx with the ix12. I am having issues with the Bail out and the mixing gear to gyro. I can select gear then in the next drop down box I have no gyro selection .I've gone through the set up process but keep getting stuck here please advise cheers mate
Try GER to GER instead of GER to GYR and ensure your GYRO is set to your gear channel in channel assign menu. I had the same issue and found this solution on a FB forum.
I would not activate the servos while the blades folded backwards,that’s pretty hard on dose even metal gears.Line up those blades first,I should….
Great video….
Got to say HH/Spektrum that ix 20 is one sweet looking and functioning TX. 😉
Wow I just set this up on my Fusion 360 and it works perfect... Im going to do some flying later and test it but we have it set yp this way on a friends blade 230 and it will flip the helicopter right back to level.
Hi my nx6 does not see a gyro in the option for setting up the bail out in mixing HELP PLEASE
With all the questions already on these few points only, I really wonder why Horizon/Spektrum does not offer a working setup to download with the Spektrum Programmer Software, exaxtly how it was made for example for the Blade 330S and Fusion 360 (together with working Spektrum-Radio-Settings for the different Radios, just like with almost all other helicopters and models). It would be so helpful as it works amazingly with the other models like the Fusion 360 where there was a Bailout-Update.
Their are firmwares that are specific to the 330S and both versions of the 360 that have all the settings preset when you install them on the the 6250HX using the Spektrum PC Programmer
Any chance of a video showing this in action? Would love to see how it responds when low and inverted for a bailout. Is there a barometric sensor in this rx?
Hi, love the videos which make it super easy to set up, I am using NX10 on a Logo 700, is it ok to put either heat shrink or thin wall fuel tube on the aerials to provide some protection & keep away the bare ends from the carbon fibre, thanks Pete
At about 6:29 you suddenly jump to the Roll display. Where is it? How did you get to it?
What number video do I have to find for the item mentioned at the end of this video please.
You need to get rid of that music, it’s distracting... helpful video otherwise
I just commented the same thing. That stupid piano is bugging the shit out of me!
My nx8 wont let me Program this how can i fix it
Safe mode setup will not work as shown here with the DX6E transmitter because it has not aux2 channel. SAFE is either on for all modes or off for all modes. How can the dx6e be set up to allow SAFE on Normal mode only?
Did what I think was everything to the letter but can't get gear/gyro in mixing to set up my bail out? Any help would be great please. Thanks Joe
I have another question re the screen at 06:49 where you talk about Proportion, Integral and Derivative Gain. Where can I access this on the NX8?
I have this controller it came with a Blade 330S with a DX8 2Gen. Nothing to do. All the menus are all over the place and I can't find some. ???
Mines running perfect and calibrated fbl,however on bench the tail servo moves a tiny bit every few seconds,linkage disconnected and even tried brand new servo ,same thing,any help appreciated
Hi Tom, works a treat for training people on my align T-Rex 760x with your CZcams vid's,
Just wondering if I loop, roll etc, can i have a self level set up when I let go of the sticks just like you can in normal safe set up?
Thank you.
Do i need to use the hover settings in throttle setup on a Nitro helicopter??
It can depend on the model and pilot skill. The Hover setting essentially helps alleviate tip overs during take off. Set it to the throttle value that you feel gets the heli well into the air in normal mode and it should work correctly.
Nice videos. At 6:34 into the Part 7 video there is a quantum jump from the stability menu to the Roll PID menu. How did to get into the Roll PID menu? I can't find it on my DX9.
I have a DX9 & a Spektrum 6250H gyro in an Align 550 DFC, It flies fine but if I enable the safe mode, it is in safe mode in all flight modes, not just normal. When I check it on the transmitter it shows safe in all flight modes. If I turn it off, it turns off all flight modes. There is some kind of difference between the DX9 & the IX20 programming. At 2:22 thru 2:31 in the video he explains the Aux 2 setting but he says if you own a DX model scroll to flight mode, however flight mode is not listed as an option?
Help pls. Was a cheapskate bought dx6g3. A. Can this fc and tx perform all stability settings in all 3 fmodes? Also when I have it set what I think is right I either have all stability or land enter menu turn safe off then fly. No switching. So my question is I can access gain for all 3 do I just turn gain down on the two stunts?? Thx
Hallo, wie kann ich bei dem Blade Fusion 360 einen Stabilisierungsmode auf der DX6e Programmieren. Habe es versucht aber nur für alle F. Modus dann die Stabilisierung kein 3D Modus mehr.
Hi..can you make a video on how to setup a microbeastx plus, the manual says to use 3.2 or 4.2 but 5.1 is what I got with the kit. I try to program both 5.1 do not let me go to perimeter settings but the Rudder hold positions. But 4.2 it let me do the perimeter but the Rudder got mixed with the pitch. I checked the Tx nothing mix. I can not left the heli up
Hi is there a governor mode for nitro helicopters
How does SAFE stability work with helis that have an angled frame such as the SAB Krakens where the FBL is also not parallel to the gorund due to this? I'm sure its fine once it is in the air, but how does it work when taking off and landing? Also, is there a way to enable SAFE mode on a specific switch seperate to FMs so that I can enable it once the heli has lifted off the ground first?
Very good question, i have the same problem, very tricky to hover, the heli tend to became horizontaly when trying to hover it
please make a video for the ix12 they are not the same
when i go to channel assign aux 2 is all ready set to switch " E "
why do you think there the same ????????????????
Programming wise, they are the same. The default switch for AUX2 is E on all current Spektrum transmitters (iX12 and iX20 included). You will need to change the channel assignment for AUX2 to Fmode if you wish to use it for SAFE flight modes.
stability mode shows hold with throttle cut on or off flight mode1 stays on hold
flight mode 2 says normal throttle cut still not working flight mode 2 says stunt 1
tech support gave me a different setup ????????????????????
please go thru the setup with a ix12 and see if it works i have been trying for a week and still cant get it to work
I have a DX9 and the 6250hx on my Thunder Tiger G4, I have followed your setup and the only thing is when I press the I, bailout button the swashplate moves hard down to the right and have no input to the swashplate on both sticks. Something is tell me that this is not right. any help would be very helpful. Thanks' for your great videos. Ivor.
Hi Ivor, my first thought it that you may have the orientation set incorrectly? I would double check that setting first and go from there
Looking for some help! Acquired a Blade Fusion 360 smart (on 3s) a few months ago and just had an opportunity to do the transmitter set up etc ( I am using a DX6e). Did all l the stock settings (as per the manual). In Flight Mode setup, I assign switch B (top left) as my flight mode switch. In Channel Assign, when I look at Rx port assignments, I see [B]5 GEAR: Gyro[/B] - is that right? Then on Input Config, I see [B]5 Gear: B[/B] - is this right?
Am used to having 3 flight modes with my 230S V2 where the gyro settings linked to switch B are: position 0 at 100%, position 1 is 0 and position 1 is +100%. A chap at Horizon Hobby advised 'The gear channel out put only controls which SAFE mode helicopter is in. When its receiver sees 100% in put on ch5 it goes into self level, when it sees centre or 0% it goes into intermediate, and when it sees -100 it goes into advanced mode which turns SAFE off'.
I want to replicate that with the 360 - can I/should do it?
Also, when I initialise, there is a constant high-pitched humming noise coming from the FBL controller - is that normal?
I get a flashing green light to start with but this changes to blue flashing when I go into forward programming - does that sound right?
Hope someone can help me with the above - I would be most grateful. Thank you
Hi Robin, For the most part that all sounds correct, EXPECT in the channel assign menu make sure that Gear is set to FMODE, not the B switch. This is different then the 230 S V2. If that is set to B the flight modes will not work propperly. That should do it. Also the humming you are hearing is likely the servos, which is normal.
Nice set of videos. It would be good to have video(s) of what to do when programming doesn't go well. I did something and now when I power up, the light on the FC6250HX rapidly blinks three red, one green, and repeats. I have found no way to reset.
I saw a reset function in one of the prior videos, have a look at them
11:08 in this video shows the function to reset it
You will have to calibrate the gyro make sure it’s level and no vibrations.
In this video we walk you through the procedure on installing SAFE and a Bailout (panic) button with the Spektrum 6250HX Flybarless Flight Controller. Follow along with Tom to learn how and get some tips and tricks along the way!
www.horizonhobby.com/fc6250hx-helicopter-flybarless-control-system-spmfc6250hx
Here are links to the other parts of this video series
Part 1- Introduction czcams.com/video/fwVeKYJWFAk/video.html
Part 2 - Installation and Binding czcams.com/video/R81szwu1PLE/video.html
Part 3 - Transmitter Setup czcams.com/video/rxS7LmwlbVs/video.html
Part 4 - Swashplate Setup czcams.com/video/VJ0m2S42QPI/video.html
Part 5 - Tail Rotor Setup czcams.com/video/vr3rnwtveak/video.html
Part 6 - Final Steps and Preflight Checks czcams.com/video/HDpvRV47H9U/video.html
Part 7 - Safe and Bailout Setup czcams.com/video/aCmbCvQ5vUo/video.html
Part 8 - Smart Technology Setup (coming soon)
Part 9 - Tuning with James (coming soon)
Equipment used in this video series
Blade Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo - www.horizonhobby.com/fusion-480-smart-super-combo-kit-blh4925sc2
Spektrum 6250HX w/ 4651T Telemetry Rx (included with Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo) -
Spektrum iX20 Smart Transmitter - www.horizonhobby.com/fc6250hx-helicopter-flybarless-control-system-spmfc6250hx
Fusion 480 Stretch Kit - www.horizonhobby.com/fusion-480-stretch-conversion-kit-p-blh4965
Spektrum Avian 100 Amp Smart ESC (included with Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo) - www.horizonhobby.com/avian-100-amp-brushless-3s-6s-smart-esc--spmxae1100
Spektrum H6050 Cyclic Servos (included with Fusion 480 Smart Super Combo) -
Spektrum H6360 Brushless Tail Servo - www.horizonhobby.com/spektrum-h6050-high-torque-mid-speed-heli-cyclic-servo-p-spmsh6050
Spektrum SPM4767 Remote Rx - www.horizonhobby.com/dsmx-remote-receiver-spm9745
Spektrum Smart Lipo - www.horizonhobby.com/222v-4000mah-6s-50c-smart-lipo-battery--ic5-p-spmx40006s50
TL90 Digital Pitch Gauge - www.amazon.com/YoCoo-Display-Airplane-Helicopter-ST250-800/dp/B017LYIPX6/
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Could you make a tutorial for the nx 10. It doesnt work for me. I cant change between flightmodes in the forward programming safe settings. Ty
Hello! Most of the time this is because you do not have the channel assigned to "flight mode" double check the flight mode menu. Also make sure you have a switch for modes and a switch for Hold set in the Flight mode menu. Hope that helps!
If I go into forward programming safe mode and turn it on it's always on in every mode it won't let me pick between normal mode flight mode 1 or flight mode 2? Everything else seems to be functioning correctly though. Like if I bump it up to idle up 1 or idle up 2 and try to do a flip or a roll the stability mode is still on so it won't let me. But when I'm in forward programming and try to switch between flight modes it's always in Normal?
You do not have your Flight mode channel set propperly. In the channel assign menu on your tx pick a open channel and assign to F-mode (flight mode) THEN go into Forward Programming - Setup and choose the same channel as your flight mode. It should work correctly after that. Hope that helps!
I tried using safe mode on my kraken 700 heli yesterday in normal mode. I just went into safe mode and enabled it to "On". When heli started to spool up it tipped over to the right and blades striked the ground. I hit throttle hold immediately. Ruined the main and tail blades. Thank God I had a set of Rail blades at home. Replaced blades and disabled safe mode in my radio. I wont be using safe again, afraid of it. After watching this I see there were other things I was supposed to setup on radio before enabling safe. To afraid to try it again though. Lol
What receiver and flight controller do you have...i have a Trex 700 and if you set safe/autolevel when it initializes its at the wrong angle and will try to level itself and hit the ground, but thats with an ikon2...so i dont set the first mode with autolevel when i plugbthe battery in..
@@mateozorro2461 I'm using 6250hx with my Dx12. I don't mess with safe anymore. Really don't need it but I just wanted it to work right so I can teach a friend of mine now to fly.
For your Kraken, does the tail servo end limits that you set fall into the range Spektrum recommend? As mine are way below what they reccomend and I have definitely set it up mechanically correct. I'm wondering if this is a Kraken thing.
@@_RIL_ Yea it falls in the range. I'm still flying the kraken 700 along with a Logo 700 using the 6250. No issues flying, just safe mode is garbage.
@@ahwayzcool4630 Oh ok maybe I do have something wrong with the tail set up that I can't figure out. Yeah I am glad I did my research and saw the info about avoiding using safe mode before flying mine. Thanks :)
On my NX8 setting up Safe mode I cannot display "Hold" when using switch "H" even though Normal, FM1 & 2 are displayed. I have set Throttle Cut to -100 on switch "H" in position 1. I am obviously doing something wrong and need your help.
Go into the flight mode menu and set Hold to switch H and use the throttle curve menu to set the Hold position to 0 on each point. That should do it :)
@@SpektrumRCvideos Thank you, I had not selected a switch in the throttle cut menu. I already had the hold position at 0 at each pt.
I have another question re the screen at 14:19 where you talk about Proportion, Integral and Derivative Gain. Where can I access this on the NX8?
hi, my gyro is reversed. meaning if I tilt the helicopter to the left, the swashplate does not level in to opposite but tilts completely towards the left..! how can I fix that....
Make sure your sensor orientation is correct. Then double check that the servos are in the correct port and your controls are going in the correct directions.
@@SpektrumRCvideos yes, my orientation in setting was opposite! Thanks so much
Yeah I have a problem with the
DX6 G3 SPMR6750
F-Mode is switch B
Hold switch to Hold
Channel Input Config
Gear-FMode
In FowardProg. Setup
FM channel to: Aux 2 and tried all the AuX and gear but nothing works as it should.
Gain Channel: Gear
Then in SAFE
Stability goes straight to
Flight Mode 1
Stability: On
It will not let me see normal, Flt 2 and Hold.
My mixing is GER >GYR - I
Rate: 125%. 0%
Offset: -100%
Switch: Switch I.
Everything works fine accept I can’t select Safe on/off on Normal, IUP 2 and Hold. Why ??? I can’t even find the SPM file in your website like other models. Why???
Don't know if I fixed it yet this befuddled me too. If you go to where the 3 modes for safe are u just raise the throttle and menu changes. Hope this isn't too late.
Say I want to add safe mode to switch A so I can turn SAFE mode on and off regardless of what Flight Mode I am in, what would that configuration look like?
I will try to explain it as best as I can. If you put the A switch on an open channel and then select that channel in the forward programming menu, then in theory this will work. That being said, each mode will have its own set of gains and settings, so you may want to go thru all the menus after wards to make sure they match in both switch positions. Hope that helps!
@@SpektrumRCvideos sorry for my lack of knowledge but can you please tell me where I would assign that channel in the forward programming menu.
Hi sorted out my gyro out but now swash move to an angle in stability mode any thoughts
Completely normal and intentional for the swash to be at a slight angle in Safe, it is to counteract torque and keep the model level :)
@@SpektrumRCvideos ☠BLACK BARON☠ I checked "Stability ON" mode today. The algorithm is much better than in the "Throttle/Hover" forward programming mode to keep it stable near ground. However the FC has still problems on the tail blades to find the correct position before liftoff. It's too much right turn as I have tested out several times on a test flight field.
I have a DX9 & a Spektrum 6250H gyro in an Align 550 DFC. I have preformed the setup by the videos. It hovers just fine except in the safe mode if I release the cyclic stick the heli drifts right & forward. More to the right than forward. Where & how do I adjust for this?
Hi Roger, First I would suggest doing a sensor calibration. Test afterward. If it still drifts, then I would double check your swashplate for being precisely level. Also make sure there is nothing causing vibration, such as blades being out of track. Hope this helps steer you into the right direction!
@@SpektrumRCvideos Yes I re-calibrated it & it stopped the drifting. Next thing is I flew a large circle & when it was on the backside of the circle I was having trouble seeing it, so I turned it nose in & pushed both sticks forward to bring it straight to me, however it seemed like it just sat there & hovered. It did not appear to be heading to me. I turned it around to tail in & pulled back on the elevator & it felt the same like my pitch rate was way limited. I then turned it sideways & it flew in to me side ways ok. In the Safe Mode (normal) I have the envelope set at 45 & I thought that was for pitch & roll? Is there something I need to set separately for the pitch?
@@rogercirelli7408 No they are combined. But that does lead me to think that you are running out of date firmware. There was a fix a while back to correct an error where the envelope setting was stuck to the same envelope applied to Panic (which is very limited)
@@SpektrumRCvideos Exactly how do I do that? What do I need?
@@rogercirelli7408 you need our SPMA3065 USB cable. Watch our video on updating receivers and you will see the process
Does the FC6250hx have bailout mode
Watch the whole video, He went over setting up bail out/ rescue using the bind button.
How can you set this up on a dx6 .. there is no aux 2 ?
You can use any channel that is available to you. Even gear (CH5) . You will just have to remove gear from the gain channel and adjust tail gains primarily in the forward programming menu. Remember, tail gains can change drastically depending on head speed and model size. so it is really important that you get the tail holding well in every mode, so try not to neglect this part.
@@SpektrumRCvideos I dont fly 3d just scale
@@SpektrumRCvideos also if you take away the channel the gyro is using then the mix for the bailout cant work either ?
You need to make a video of doing this on a dx6 as a lot of people are going to only have a dx6
@@OutbackKanga No the mix will still work
At 11:46 Tom stated that the roll attitude trim of 450 was essentially 45 degrees. That does not make any sense, because it isn't practical.
Is it 4.5 degrees?
Helicopters typically hover with one skid lower than the other, but it isn't at 45 degrees.
4.5 degrees sounds more realistic to balance forces.
Where is the written documentation?
Jack, thank you for pointing this out! You are correct 450 = 4.5 degrees
☠BLACK BARON☠ "Envelope Pitch: X" and "Envelope Roll: X" is a really great software iDea with Attitude Trim "Offset Roll: 0" and Offset Pitch: 0" for Air Engineers.
The Safe gains should not have any effect on the tail. It sounds like your cyclic gains are pretty far off if that is what your experiencing.
@@SpektrumRCvideos ☠BLACK BARON☠ 10:48 The SAFE stability mathematics algorithm is awkward ... I can't manage to establish a stable nose right and especially a nose left turn in hover mode and outside the hover offset range on my heli. It's always slightly drifting in roll/pitch directions. The SAFE gain + SAFE Envelope value is a real trouble shooter for establishing absolut stable nose left and right turns.
@@SpektrumRCvideos ☠️BLACK BARON☠️ 10:49 ... does it work stable in both directions if I turn the heli 360° clockwise and counter clockwise in the air? 5:25 Does Stability ON work well with the Hover values and Hover Offset values in different altitude levels ... especially during descent flights ... it looks very unstable as I have noticed.
I have a DX6 g3 and this is the most confusing thing I have ever seen, and I am a Physicist
Most spektrum stuff is way too confusing.
Yeah I have the same problem with the same radio.
F-Mode is switch B
Hold switch to Hold
Channel Input Config Gear-FMode
In FowardProg. Setup
FM channel to: Aux 2
Gain Channel: Gear
Then in SAFE
Stability goes straight to
Flight Mode 1
Stability: On
It will not let me see normal, Flt 2 and Hold.
My mixing is GER >GYR - I
Rate: 125%. 0%
Offset: -100%
Switch: Switch I.
Everything works fine accept I can’t select Safe on/off on Normal, IUP 2 and Hold. Why ???
😂😂😂 that makes me feel better finally.
Funny thing about the RC hobby, job titles mean very little. You need to do the research.
Yes! 😂😂😂😂😂
Good video but that damn shitty music has to go!