Minoru Suzuki was super-technical on the ground at this time. A lot of people dont realize he was used for motion-capture for some of the grappling moves in the early Tekken arcade and Playstation games! Matt Hume has always been calm and collected and hard to deal with-- he rarely if ever lost is these events and in MMA.
Matt Hume's record is horrible in Pancrase. It's at 2 wins and 5 losses. Admittingly, Ken Shamrock, Minoru Suzuki, Manabu Yamada and Jason Delucia (4 of his 5 losses) were top contenders in Pancrase. Scott Bessac, 1 of his only 2 wins in Pancrase, was a Lions Den fighter, but Matt has a mixed record of 5 wins and 5 losses. And his victories against Erik Paulson (who Erik was outgrappling) and Pat Militech were more from accidental injury in the fights rather than amazing fighting ability by Matt. It would be more fair to say that in submission grappling, Matt Hume was exception. Being trained in Greek Pankration (and with a background in Judo, Boxing and a strong freestyle wrestling history), Matt was superb in submission grappling and largely considered an excellent grappling coach. Matt Hume also largely influenced the legalization of Mixed Martial Arts in America as well as being a large influence in Pride FC. So politically speaking, he was amazingly impressive and a strong and necessary aid for MMA. As a competitor, he was unimpressive and Matt's claims that all his losses were 'fixed fights' only his 2 wins were real fights (In contract to his claims in the first PrideFC where he stated he was in MMA before it was called MMA, in Pancrase and had many fights on recorded television) have angered and upset many people that trained and competed with him in Pancrase. So...he's not exactly WELCOMED by the Pancrase community but he is definitely respected by MMA all over and remains a legend in the world of submission wrestling.
Before Eddie Bravo stole and renamed the move, it was known as a guillotine. It’s a common wrestling finisher. What you call a guillotine in BJJ was known as a front head lock. Eddie Bravo was a high school wrestler. Much of his BJJ system comes from his wrestling background.
Joel Ellsworth Agreed. I feel like they should do amateur mma with this ruleset. Many great fighters developed this way. The rope escapes allow you to make mistakes and survive, and the palm strikes lower your chances of taking too many hard knockouts. It's great prep for full on mma.
@@stasios6034 the rope break is terrible. You could have someone in a finishing hold, then they rope break, just to stand back up and head kick and knock you out.
I think it was because of the rules. Pancrase didn't allow closed fist punches. Great example is Bas Rutten! His fights were fantastic and he put a lot of power in his open hand strikes
Pancrase was literally "hey what if we did pro wrestling but for real?" No closed-fist strikes to the face in pro wrestling, so in Pancrase you can only punch to the body, palm strikes to the face.
Only open palms were allowed to the head/face. Closed fists are allowed to the body and anywhere else except the groin. Great example of that is Bas Rutten, who destroyed Jason Delucia's liver with closed fist punches to the body.
How many of these guys juiced? You got Nate Marqart, Josh Barrnet, Thiago Silva and Ken Shamrock. Three of the four have tested positive and Ken has admitted too use. All have won the championship. It seems like all the other fighters besides boss a Hume were ripped too. Testing must have been setup.
+taner raven Hume had a horrible Pancrase record, with 5 losses and 2 wins. Bas' Pancrase record is 25 wins, 4 losses, 1 draw. Quite frankly, Hume was never considered in Bas' league.
Minoru Suzuki was super-technical on the ground at this time. A lot of people dont realize he was used for motion-capture for some of the grappling moves in the early Tekken arcade and Playstation games! Matt Hume has always been calm and collected and hard to deal with-- he rarely if ever lost is these events and in MMA.
Matt Hume's record is horrible in Pancrase. It's at 2 wins and 5 losses. Admittingly, Ken Shamrock, Minoru Suzuki, Manabu Yamada and Jason Delucia (4 of his 5 losses) were top contenders in Pancrase. Scott Bessac, 1 of his only 2 wins in Pancrase, was a Lions Den fighter, but Matt has a mixed record of 5 wins and 5 losses. And his victories against Erik Paulson (who Erik was outgrappling) and Pat Militech were more from accidental injury in the fights rather than amazing fighting ability by Matt.
It would be more fair to say that in submission grappling, Matt Hume was exception. Being trained in Greek Pankration (and with a background in Judo, Boxing and a strong freestyle wrestling history), Matt was superb in submission grappling and largely considered an excellent grappling coach.
Matt Hume also largely influenced the legalization of Mixed Martial Arts in America as well as being a large influence in Pride FC. So politically speaking, he was amazingly impressive and a strong and necessary aid for MMA.
As a competitor, he was unimpressive and Matt's claims that all his losses were 'fixed fights' only his 2 wins were real fights (In contract to his claims in the first PrideFC where he stated he was in MMA before it was called MMA, in Pancrase and had many fights on recorded television) have angered and upset many people that trained and competed with him in Pancrase. So...he's not exactly WELCOMED by the Pancrase community but he is definitely respected by MMA all over and remains a legend in the world of submission wrestling.
Young Minoru looks like Toguro from Yu Yu Hakusho haha so cool
I always thought that. Lol
マットヒュームの現役時代、初めて見た。
damn matt had two twister set ups!!
***** yeah man , it was originally a wrestling move
yeah its crazy....I mean recognizing the set up now it seems ridiculous haha
Before Eddie Bravo stole and renamed the move, it was known as a guillotine. It’s a common wrestling finisher.
What you call a guillotine in BJJ was known as a front head lock.
Eddie Bravo was a high school wrestler. Much of his BJJ system comes from his wrestling background.
@@theemperorcharlemagne Bravo wrestled in HS?? Thats funny as he exhibited ZERO wrestling for most of his grappling career.
@@greasebob yes, he said he was the worst wrestler ever 😂😂 he talked about it on the JRE.
I want new fights in this Style
Joel Ellsworth Agreed. I feel like they should do amateur mma with this ruleset. Many great fighters developed this way. The rope escapes allow you to make mistakes and survive, and the palm strikes lower your chances of taking too many hard knockouts. It's great prep for full on mma.
Search combat catch wrestling. They're doing similar rule sets
Where one is allways guessing if it was work or shoot ? Yes, nice head game. I go with shoot on this one.
@@stasios6034 the rope break is terrible. You could have someone in a finishing hold, then they rope break, just to stand back up and head kick and knock you out.
So whats the deal with the open palms? is it rules or =because bare knuckled punches and injuries
I think it was because of the rules. Pancrase didn't allow closed fist punches. Great example is Bas Rutten! His fights were fantastic and he put a lot of power in his open hand strikes
Pancrase was literally "hey what if we did pro wrestling but for real?" No closed-fist strikes to the face in pro wrestling, so in Pancrase you can only punch to the body, palm strikes to the face.
Only open palms were allowed to the head/face. Closed fists are allowed to the body and anywhere else except the groin. Great example of that is Bas Rutten, who destroyed Jason Delucia's liver with closed fist punches to the body.
no close hand punches were allowed
This type of wrestling is 1000 light years better than WWE and Mexican wrestling
this is a shoot.they are fighting for real but under some pro wrestling rules like rope breaks etc.ofcourse real fight>>>>scripted ones.
Far different because this is real
@@ryzalboyz9511 This one, I agree. In general : Much more works than shoots in good old pancrase.
That ring seems awefully tiny.
Suzuki should have actually been in his corner before the fight started. The red should have caught that.
suzuki jest az tak dobry ze dawal mu fory.
How many of these guys juiced? You got Nate Marqart, Josh Barrnet, Thiago Silva and Ken Shamrock. Three of the four have tested positive and Ken has admitted too use. All have won the championship. It seems like all the other fighters besides boss a Hume were ripped too. Testing must have been setup.
fred sanford I’m not sure they even cared. They didn’t bother with weight classes either.
Ken admitted to using it in PRO WRESTLING before UFC or Pancrase. Stop tryign to twist his words around.
Why are you adding commercials? Doesn't that go against a basic ethos of, "This isn't mine, I shouldn't make money off it."
この時代はパウンド発表するだけでウェイトがグダグダだから体格差や力量の差が出過ぎてる試合が多い。誰が強いやら弱く見えてしまうのやら、ようわからん。
i don't understnd the hume fanboys...hume was outclassed outwresled outfought every step of the way
In this fight? Not really, it was very even. Who actuallly won?
I agree. Both Hume and his fanboys are desperate to make Hume out to be 20 times more of a fighter than he ever was.
Dang Hume beat him up, that surprised me
Hardly
I would argue the other way around.
He won the striking and grappling but gave up 2 takedowns, don’t even try to make stuff up
@Fred12781 He didn't win the striking or the grappling and he grabbed the ropes to save himself and it costed him a point, don't try to make stuff up.
how matt hughme and bas rutten never fought =[
+taner raven Hume had a horrible Pancrase record, with 5 losses and 2 wins. Bas' Pancrase record is 25 wins, 4 losses, 1 draw. Quite frankly, Hume was never considered in Bas' league.
***** sadly... this is true :(
taner raven Kudos for the honesty.
Matt Hume won that!