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Just came across your channel today. I love your feature length videos and the patience you show towards your cute kids. It's obvious your a regular Joe who gives real world opinions and isn't trying to push a particular brand for pay.
I wanted to thank you for your video. I looked at over 50 models of lawnmowers during my weeks of shopping; and In part because of your analysis, I purchased the Greenworks Model MO80L2523 which for all appearances is a push model 2533302 with two 2.5A batteries plus a charger. I’ve been using it for several mows now and I love it. I have a 83x103 FT property (majority is grass) and I chose this model because it takes me 45 minutes to mow it and this model has the ability to carry 2 batteries in its bay and auto-switch to the fully charged battery when the first one is discharged. Brilliant feature! It was between the Snapper XD (Model 1687884) and this Greenworks model and this featured solidified my decision!
Your kids are adorable! It is worthwhile to note that similar to the new Ryobi 40V crosscut, the Toro 60V also suffers from grass clipping leakage when mulching. Something to consider if you’re a mulcher.
I just bought the Greenworks 80V Pro, it arrives tomorrow. I live in CT so it will be a while before I get to try it out. I own a house in a 1/2 acre lot, usually it takes just under an hour so I’m hoping the battery charge is sufficient. Good news is that the battery appears to charge up quick, only need that first 33% to finish up, if at all. This is my first electric mower.
I have a lawn with curb stones down to gravel on one side and on finishing off I set the left wheels on the gravel and the right wheels on the lawn hence find the ability to set the wheel height independently useful.
I'v been a Toro/Personal Pace man for over 20 years. I really like the wider cut and the vertical storage. So after doing a few hours of research and looking at several other machines on CZcams, including the Green Works 25 , at the moment the Toro is in the lead for me and the Personal Pace is what puts it in front.
Hard to argue against the Toro especially since the single blade is so wide and thick, it's only slightly smaller cutting path than the 25" GW with dual blades. I'm not a fan of the personal pace system but I know lots of people love it and it works well so if you like it then stay with Toro. BTW, I did just learn about the new Heavy Duty Toro 60V mower that just came out. I think it's a regular SP mower, not sure about that yet but you should at least look it up.
Helpful video. After watching this and one of your other review videos, I bought the Toro. Coming from a 105 lb Husqvarna 21" gas mower with front swivel casters, the Toro feels plenty light and nimble to me. It can be pushed manually by using one hand on the lower stationary bar, by the way. I strongly considered a 40V Greenworks or Ryobi for $100 less, but the deciding factor for me was the availability of warranty service from my local Toro dealer just 4 miles away; to get those other brands fixed (if any issues arose) I'd probably have to ship the mower someplace.
Very true about the fixing of unforeseen problems. If I have a problem with my Greenworks I wouldn't know where to start - luckily I haven't had that problem... hopefully never will. Fingers crossed.
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
Super great review got all points of interest ,would ask if speed was at the same level or do you have to walk slower than say a self propelled gasoline engine mower .
How do you mow up a hill slowly with the personal pace Toro ..??? As you turn up the hill the handle will press inward and the mower will speed up ....,wtf ???
Hahaha, that's one of the most enjoyable comments I've ever gotten on my mower review vids from last year! Love it! I've thought many times about redoing these vids but all the mowers will be discontinued due to new models coming out so for the time being im just leaving them be. Funny thing is they are all nice and they are all lacking in some way. None seems perfect.
I somehow missed the actual demonstration in this video but I'm considering the Toro due I've been using Toro for decades with no real issues except replac ing the occasional cable.
The single point adjustment is related to the fact that that these mowers are battery powered. Most battery powered mowers are quite a bit lighter, and don't put too much stress on the linkages and joints in single point systems. While it could be made beefier, quad point systems are cheaper and easier.
I'm enjoying your electric lawn mower videos as I search for a replacement for my 10 year old Honda gas mower. Right now the Toro is my front runner. I've not seen the personal pace in person, but in the video it looks like there is a horizontal bar below the arched handle for the personal pace. If you wanted to use it as just a push mower couldn't you push/pull on the horizontal fixed member instead of the arched handle? Also, re: you comment on independently adjustable wheels. That was one of the features that was a requirement for me when I bought the Honda. The house we had at the time had a concrete driveway and sidewalks. I would trim all of the concrete perimeter with the left wheels on the concrete set a notch or 2 lower than the right wheels. This prevented the cut from being tapered up to the concrete where the wheels were sitting higher than the right wheels that were on the ground.
How responsive is the Greenworks self-propelled command? Is there a noticeable delay before it engages like the EGO 21"? Also, can you easily pull the mower backwards right after disengaging SP or do the wheels lock up?
Excellent questions, there is a noticeable delay and the wheels lock up if you try to go backwards immediately after disengaging the sp. These are my two least favorite facts about the greenworks 80v. This is also one of the things that people love about the toro 60v which doesn't have either of these problems. For regular push mower self propelled models the sunjoe is pretty good. Almost no lag at all and it doesn't lockup as much... problem with that one however is the poor blade. As I've told others none of the mowers are perfect unfortunately.
Having a Greenworks 80V Mower last year the the self propelled drive was a deal breaker, I now have a Toro 60V Super Recycler. It seems like you have to rock it in reverse to disengage the drive to be able to push it manually, I live on a cul-de-sac so pie shape yard with a lot of turning around on the edge of both sides. The personal pace is ok, I wish it was setup like the Xmark Commercial 21 V-Series or Commercial 60V Toro, but the price of either of those two........That said the delay on Greenworks is bad, cut quality is great.
Hi, Could you tell me how much run time you get with a Greenworks lawnmower with two 60v 2ah batteries. No matter how much I try I just can’t find it anywhere. Seems like Greenworks just don’t wanna give you this information. Kind regards.
Hey Marley, I haven't tested mine yet for run time. I've used it (25" dual battery 60V Greenworks) three times and run the battery out from full charge once but I didn't time it. If I remember to time it later this week when I run it next I'll try to remember to update you on my findings here in this comment thread.
Just got a Greenworks 40V 20" non-self-propelled. Perfect size for our yard. Pushes like an empty grocery cart. Beats the old gas banger in every respect. Wish I had bought it 10 years ago. Also have Greenworks 14" 40V weed eater. Works great! Both beat gas bangers all to pieces.
i don't like personal pace. With the thick soft yards in Louisiana, you will be pushing that mower to get it going, and it will wear you out. I like a RWD that will pull me. I don't want to push.
I got the 60V Toro, the steps to fold the handle sucks compared to others, plus all the exposed cables waiting to get cut looks like a product rushed to market. It’s going back.
I've had a Toro gas-powered for almost 12 years and the only problem with the cables is the little round holder that holds them close to the handle pops out occasionally. No cutting of wires at all.
@@TurfMechanic There is a comparison video against EGO and Honda HRX and it out performed both in power and cut quality. Just a bit much though for my small lawn.
Yeah, it's too high for me to justify the purchase right now without selling off a couple of my other mowers. I have enough that my wife would require the removal of a couple to pick up another, lol!
True! In more recent videos I do say the gw blade is easier to spin, it is smaller in diameter and its also thinner in thickness... still it cuts really tough stuff better though... never bogs down and stalls so it not terrible either. None of the mowers are perfect all around. BTW for thin bad blades SunJoe 100v is the worst, it makes the gw blade look thick! 😆
Just got the new GW 60v 21” mower. Has spots for 2 batteries, which automatically switches from one battery to the other when one gets low, has battery level indicator on top of operating handle, adjustable self propel speed, turbo mode for thicker grass, folds and can be stood up vertically for storage.
Nice, I hope you like it. I picked the same unit up this season too. So far I like the width but not a lot else about it. It's not as strong as I was hoping it would be. I've stalled it a bunch of times already...and the turbo button doesn't increase the power as much as I had hoped. Sorry to be a downer but it's not as great as I had hoped. 😔
To me these are low end unit thou the Toro super recycler the black model is okay , my personal unit I own and love is the Allett liberty 43 does so much more , I also love the stihl rma 765, as far as greenworks goes the only one I wood buy would be the comercial unit the rest are all garbage and will not last
I have the Greenworks non self propelled. I will never buy a self propelled. It must be 5-6 years old now. It’s adequate, but has lots of room for improvement. It has 2 batteries, so one is charging while I’m using the other. I cut an acre, and it takes a number of battery swaps to get the job done. The quality of the cut isn’t very good, and I have to double cut a lot to get everything. Where it really fails is mulching leaves. It doesn’t suck them off the ground to mulch. I do stall it out frequently, especially when doing my ditch. I sharpen my own blades. I have two blades so a sharp one is always ready to go. The blades are very short. This thing really needs sharp blades or your cut will suffer. And you must buy the blade from Greenworks. As for water, I clean mine with a hose. I just don’t get the top part wet. No problems so far from that. In short: I need more power. I want something wider. I want blades that create suction, which is directly related to power and battery run time. On the plus side: Low noise; no exhaust stink; no maintenance.
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
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I love the way you care for your children during this taping. A good sense of priorities!
Just came across your channel today. I love your feature length videos and the patience you show towards your cute kids. It's obvious your a regular Joe who gives real world opinions and isn't trying to push a particular brand for pay.
I wanted to thank you for your video. I looked at over 50 models of lawnmowers during my weeks of shopping; and In part because of your analysis, I purchased the Greenworks Model MO80L2523 which for all appearances is a push model 2533302 with two 2.5A batteries plus a charger. I’ve been using it for several mows now and I love it. I have a 83x103 FT property (majority is grass) and I chose this model because it takes me 45 minutes to mow it and this model has the ability to carry 2 batteries in its bay and auto-switch to the fully charged battery when the first one is discharged. Brilliant feature! It was between the Snapper XD (Model 1687884) and this Greenworks model and this featured solidified my decision!
Just purchased the greenworks pro 80v and I'm very impressed. Love it. A real powerhouse.
Thanks for the video, I'm deciding between the Toro, Greenworks, and the EGO, all have great reviews.
This video definitely helped alot.
Your kids are adorable!
It is worthwhile to note that similar to the new Ryobi 40V crosscut, the Toro 60V also suffers from grass clipping leakage when mulching. Something to consider if you’re a mulcher.
I bought a Toro late spring and love the RWD- very easy to use -and a nice cut
I just bought the Greenworks 80V Pro, it arrives tomorrow. I live in CT so it will be a while before I get to try it out. I own a house in a 1/2 acre lot, usually it takes just under an hour so I’m hoping the battery charge is sufficient. Good news is that the battery appears to charge up quick, only need that first 33% to finish up, if at all. This is my first electric mower.
I have a lawn with curb stones down to gravel on one side and on finishing off I set the left wheels on the gravel and the right wheels on the lawn hence find the ability to set the wheel height independently useful.
Is it possible to use this Toro model in push mode with the blade running ?
I'v been a Toro/Personal Pace man for over 20 years. I really like the wider cut and the vertical storage. So after doing a few hours of research and looking at several other machines on CZcams, including the Green Works 25 , at the moment the Toro is in the lead for me and the Personal Pace is what puts it in front.
Hard to argue against the Toro especially since the single blade is so wide and thick, it's only slightly smaller cutting path than the 25" GW with dual blades. I'm not a fan of the personal pace system but I know lots of people love it and it works well so if you like it then stay with Toro. BTW, I did just learn about the new Heavy Duty Toro 60V mower that just came out. I think it's a regular SP mower, not sure about that yet but you should at least look it up.
Hahaha I haven't used the push mower option...I like to use it to burn calories....
Helpful video. After watching this and one of your other review videos, I bought the Toro. Coming from a 105 lb Husqvarna 21" gas mower with front swivel casters, the Toro feels plenty light and nimble to me. It can be pushed manually by using one hand on the lower stationary bar, by the way. I strongly considered a 40V Greenworks or Ryobi for $100 less, but the deciding factor for me was the availability of warranty service from my local Toro dealer just 4 miles away; to get those other brands fixed (if any issues arose) I'd probably have to ship the mower someplace.
Very true about the fixing of unforeseen problems. If I have a problem with my Greenworks I wouldn't know where to start - luckily I haven't had that problem... hopefully never will. Fingers crossed.
I know a guy who had an issue and they just sent him a new mower
Thanks for the great video, the winner are the adorable kids!
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
Just purchased the greenworks more thank you
Super great review got all points of interest ,would ask if speed was at the same level or do you have to walk slower than say a self propelled gasoline engine mower .
Which 19' Snapper is your favorite?
With the greenworks, why did you buy them all separately? I don’t quite get the logic behind that
How do you mow up a hill slowly with the personal pace Toro ..??? As you turn up the hill the handle will press inward and the mower will speed up ....,wtf ???
Based on all of your reviews, I purchased the Scott 16” Reel mower. 😂
Hahaha, that's one of the most enjoyable comments I've ever gotten on my mower review vids from last year! Love it! I've thought many times about redoing these vids but all the mowers will be discontinued due to new models coming out so for the time being im just leaving them be. Funny thing is they are all nice and they are all lacking in some way. None seems perfect.
I somehow missed the actual demonstration in this video but I'm considering the Toro due I've been using Toro for decades with no real issues except replac ing the occasional cable.
The single point adjustment is related to the fact that that these mowers are battery powered. Most battery powered mowers are quite a bit lighter, and don't put too much stress on the linkages and joints in single point systems. While it could be made beefier, quad point systems are cheaper and easier.
I'm enjoying your electric lawn mower videos as I search for a replacement for my 10 year old Honda gas mower. Right now the Toro is my front runner. I've not seen the personal pace in person, but in the video it looks like there is a horizontal bar below the arched handle for the personal pace. If you wanted to use it as just a push mower couldn't you push/pull on the horizontal fixed member instead of the arched handle? Also, re: you comment on independently adjustable wheels. That was one of the features that was a requirement for me when I bought the Honda. The house we had at the time had a concrete driveway and sidewalks. I would trim all of the concrete perimeter with the left wheels on the concrete set a notch or 2 lower than the right wheels. This prevented the cut from being tapered up to the concrete where the wheels were sitting higher than the right wheels that were on the ground.
How responsive is the Greenworks self-propelled command? Is there a noticeable delay before it engages like the EGO 21"? Also, can you easily pull the mower backwards right after disengaging SP or do the wheels lock up?
Excellent questions, there is a noticeable delay and the wheels lock up if you try to go backwards immediately after disengaging the sp. These are my two least favorite facts about the greenworks 80v. This is also one of the things that people love about the toro 60v which doesn't have either of these problems. For regular push mower self propelled models the sunjoe is pretty good. Almost no lag at all and it doesn't lockup as much... problem with that one however is the poor blade. As I've told others none of the mowers are perfect unfortunately.
@@TurfMechanic Thanks a lot for your answer, your long term reviews have probably saved me a lot of money.
@@skip5500 Glad to help Stephane!
Having a Greenworks 80V Mower last year the the self propelled drive was a deal breaker, I now have a Toro 60V Super Recycler. It seems like you have to rock it in reverse to disengage the drive to be able to push it manually, I live on a cul-de-sac so pie shape yard with a lot of turning around on the edge of both sides. The personal pace is ok, I wish it was setup like the Xmark Commercial 21 V-Series or Commercial 60V Toro, but the price of either of those two........That said the delay on Greenworks is bad, cut quality is great.
Anybody have an Atlas mower
Hi,
Could you tell me how much run time you get with a Greenworks lawnmower with two 60v 2ah batteries. No matter how much I try I just can’t find it anywhere. Seems like Greenworks just don’t wanna give you this information. Kind regards.
Hey Marley, I haven't tested mine yet for run time. I've used it (25" dual battery 60V Greenworks) three times and run the battery out from full charge once but I didn't time it. If I remember to time it later this week when I run it next I'll try to remember to update you on my findings here in this comment thread.
@@TurfMechanic Hi, would be very grateful for any help on run time. Thank you once again for you taking time to reply. Cheers!
Just got a Greenworks 40V 20" non-self-propelled. Perfect size for our yard. Pushes like an empty grocery cart. Beats the old gas banger in every respect. Wish I had bought it 10 years ago. Also have Greenworks 14" 40V weed eater. Works great! Both beat gas bangers all to pieces.
Why would you want your front wheels higher than the back ones?
I find it helps when cutting thick grass. The front cuts a bit higher. Then when the back comes over , it cuts a bit lower. It causes less strain.
It tends to spin and pull the grass with more damage to your grass. Your front should be even or lower. If it is tall you go up
@@amosnomar Works fine for me. 🤷🏾♂️
I do wish you good luck and if it works for you that’s great
I wish Toro would release an E-Timemaster
They did, but it’s $2499.
i don't like personal pace. With the thick soft yards in Louisiana, you will be pushing that mower to get it going, and it will wear you out. I like a RWD that will pull me. I don't want to push.
I got the 60V Toro, the steps to fold the handle sucks compared to others, plus all the exposed cables waiting to get cut looks like a product rushed to market. It’s going back.
Steps to fold? Turn 2 handles and fold it.
I've had a Toro gas-powered for almost 12 years and the only problem with the cables is the little round holder that holds them close to the handle pops out occasionally. No cutting of wires at all.
Did you see that Milwaukee Mower? I want that bad boy, I will be selling my Ego mower at a deep discount.
I've seen it but not in person, id love to try it out next to the other mowers I've used over the past two years!
@@TurfMechanic There is a comparison video against EGO and Honda HRX and it out performed both in power and cut quality. Just a bit much though for my small lawn.
Yeah, it's too high for me to justify the purchase right now without selling off a couple of my other mowers. I have enough that my wife would require the removal of a couple to pick up another, lol!
The Toro uses their normal deck with an electric head
you forget to Mention the TORO has a REAL Lawn Mower Blade and the Greenworks has a THIN Gauge Stamped Steel Cheesy blade
True! In more recent videos I do say the gw blade is easier to spin, it is smaller in diameter and its also thinner in thickness... still it cuts really tough stuff better though... never bogs down and stalls so it not terrible either. None of the mowers are perfect all around. BTW for thin bad blades SunJoe 100v is the worst, it makes the gw blade look thick! 😆
The *cheesy blade* has been working just fine with over a year of continuous use for me
I find my 80v greenworks pro very heavy. Surprised that it's as heavy as it is. Heavier than my old gas powered Craftsman.
Works well otherwise.
Just got the new GW 60v 21” mower. Has spots for 2 batteries, which automatically switches from one battery to the other when one gets low, has battery level indicator on top of operating handle, adjustable self propel speed, turbo mode for thicker grass, folds and can be stood up vertically for storage.
Nice, I hope you like it. I picked the same unit up this season too. So far I like the width but not a lot else about it. It's not as strong as I was hoping it would be. I've stalled it a bunch of times already...and the turbo button doesn't increase the power as much as I had hoped. Sorry to be a downer but it's not as great as I had hoped. 😔
To me these are low end unit thou the Toro super recycler the black model is okay , my personal unit I own and love is the Allett liberty 43 does so much more , I also love the stihl rma 765, as far as greenworks goes the only one I wood buy would be the comercial unit the rest are all garbage and will not last
I have the Greenworks non self propelled. I will never buy a self propelled. It must be 5-6 years old now. It’s adequate, but has lots of room for improvement. It has 2 batteries, so one is charging while I’m using the other. I cut an acre, and it takes a number of battery swaps to get the job done. The quality of the cut isn’t very good, and I have to double cut a lot to get everything. Where it really fails is mulching leaves. It doesn’t suck them off the ground to mulch. I do stall it out frequently, especially when doing my ditch. I sharpen my own blades. I have two blades so a sharp one is always ready to go. The blades are very short. This thing really needs sharp blades or your cut will suffer. And you must buy the blade from Greenworks. As for water, I clean mine with a hose. I just don’t get the top part wet. No problems so far from that. In short: I need more power. I want something wider. I want blades that create suction, which is directly related to power and battery run time. On the plus side: Low noise; no exhaust stink; no maintenance.
Playback x1.5 😂
If I could get everyone to play all my stuff at 1.5 speed...if only LOL
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery
I have the 60v toro has been ok i bought extra 7.5 amp hr so I could do the whole lawn without waiting for the charger. So here I am looking for a video to see if there is anything I can do with the new battery it shows fully charged try mowing it lasts 45 seconds go back to the charger and it shows that it's fully charged. And of course I can't find the receipt for the battery