Lib Dem leadership hopefuls Jo Swinson and Ed Davey set out their plans for party leadership
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- Unlike the Conservative contenders, the two MPs vying to be leader of the Liberal Democrats had no qualms about accepting our invitation to go head to head. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
The party will have a new leader in just over three weeks. It was all but wiped out in the 2015 election after governing in coalition with the Conservatives. But in May's European elections they came second, and are riding high in the opinion polls with an anti-Brexit message. Now the Lib Dems could play a pivotal role in determining the UK's future relationship with the EU, and, perhaps, in a future government.
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How weird. They keep giving straight answers to the questions. It's doing my head in... 🤪
It's almost like they're real politicians, and not two-bit hucksters selling a mystical cure-all that smells suspiciously of snake oil.
Loool
Proud to be a member of Their party
All Politicians sound convincing answering questions but not too many actually deliver the goods words are easy.
But if they ever gained power they would do the complete opposite like they did last time. Student fees being one example.
I was totally vowing for Jo throughout the interview until she said that she condemns someone without a) proof and b) confession of an alleged felony. A member of the Lib Dems has been "accused" of harassing women. He denies and apparently there is no evidence besides the alleged victim's accusation. So, where's the ground for discrimination upon this man?
Women harassment has to be the only crime where presumed innocence, habeas corpus and other pillars of the state of law, become suddenly suspended. On the other hand, howmany women have been brought to justice under harassment accusations, for trying to seduce men to secure career progression and positions?
Thanks for highlighting that the Tory leadership is not the only election in town. So sad to see the nasty comments of others (see below). But please stop asking our politicians if they took drugs and carry on challenging them on the decisions they would make in government.
Well @ Least They Debate Against each other! Unlike some peeps that I can think of!!!
Stupid comment. Here is one "debate" in the not two distant past there was a BBC debate when there's another scheduled. Here's something to consider, these are the people if you listen to Swinson that are going to win the next election but no one gives a damn who wins LD leadership.
"Peeps." Is that a reference to her dress?
LOL!
@@captscratchybeard Ha ha. Does the UK get Easter peeps too?
While the record of the coalition government is important, and by no means all bad, the key decisions - the negotiation of the coalition agreement - were made nine years ago. I feel that many voters have moved on - they are focused on today's issues.
A small slip - the 2015 General Election was not the last General Election. The Lib Dems did a lot better in 2017 and have clearly continued to recover in local and euro elections more recently.
Smaller parties do better in Eu elections just like UKIP or brexit party and Lib Dem’s haven’t won anything and the brexit party dominated in the Eu vote a party that was 6 week old and only had one policy whilst the others pandered to a large group of people
@@richardhills6952 Westminster voting intention polling clearly shows that the Lib Dems are back. They won hundreds of new local council seats, and took control of many councils. Labour and the Conservatives lost all their MEPs in my part of the country.
@Mr Sigma My university education was paid for by "the many" - those who had no chance of a university education because of the small number of places available at that time. Hardly a "progressive" policy.
Richard Hills remain parties got 57 percent of the votes, and a majority of seats. Small parties do better in EU elections yes, but parties with manifestos, and actual policies, certainly do better in General elections.
Hahahaha what a low bar that gaining 4 seats with a lower vote share was considered ‘a lot better’
I love how similar they are
Glad I saw this. Was thinking of voting Liberal next time but these two are too right wing for me.
The left has completely dropped The UK to its knees.
@@KimWilsonTV How? And9 who from the left has done this? When, during the Blair government? You need to expand a bit please. Thanks.
the left and the right only offer gridlock, whats the point, when the liberals do offer respectable social and worker values. The rest are out dated mate, we need to modernise this country
As a conservative in this country in which all significant parties are rabidly left-wing everywhere that it matters, I despair at such a stupid comment.
Too disturbingly undemocatic
This debate was merely a fight to win for the best of mediocrity.
How do we get away saying 'it would damage democracy to hold another referendum' in the current situation. If I understand correctly, the original vote came BEFORE any negotiation of what leaving the EU would look like and AFTER a colossal amount of misinformation was given to the public - largely by our current prime minister who seems to be planning further misinformation and currently hiding important information from businesses that they will need in order to prepare for the impact that leaving will have on trade and supply chains. How is the thing that damages democracy not that the public was lied to, misinformed and mislead?
There's no difference between the two besides Jo being more likable
Not a big fan of Sir Ed . Jo seems nice and honest though .
I'd rather listen to Chuka and I can't stand his politics.
Just 2 undemocratic airheads talking against each other who's going to be the best one to stop the democratic vote this country made to leave the EU cartel. organisation
They agree so much one should just bow out
How refreshing it is to hear politicians talk sense and with sincerity
So undemocratic these two airheads definitely will not be voting lib Dems they are definitely not the party I once knew.
So they basically just agree with each other on everything? They dont even need to have a debate.
They have a worse choice than the tories . Don't care for any of them . Getting sick and tired of MPs who do not want to do what most people voted for
Totally agree
Thanks for hosting this interview. It's helped me figure out who I want as Lib Dem lead, so much appreciated.
The opening statements were corny af. where is the substance and the belief????
uggghhh, be the party of business and get young people to vote because of climate change. made me cringe again!!!!!
@Darth Remainer Yeh that's pretty obvious, so obvious that the Tory party have the same agenda. This is typical centrist simplification- all young people will be motivated to vote by just climate issues rather than any social issues, all middle aged-to elderly people have no obligation or expectation to care about climate change. And there are a myriad of ways of handling climate change, some involve cultural and institutional change that goes against supporting business in a traditional sense, they tend to be both sustainable and linked to a wider range of social issues. That platform is not a policy in the lib-dem manifesto and it won't be because it's too interested in broad appeal to the soft middle and foolishly so in a polarised and intersectionally stratified society without that traditional middle. A greener economy doesn't specify method, ideology or even extent. It's as vague as saying vote leave without a defined proposition for leaving. We can all have our opinions about what a greener economy would look like, this vision is just out of touch, vague, untrustworthy and ultimately born from compromise between corporate desires and the needs of the country not just now but for decades to come.
Well there's nothing to split them on policy, but Jo's definitely more charismatic.
I voted for Jo because of her charisma... but Ed's campaigning was much, much better IMO. Hopefully she wins. She needs to learn from him on how to promote the party.
Yes the more charasmatic annoying undemocatic
During the coalition we stopped even worse cuts. If we hadn't been there, it would have been even worse. But if you had withdrawn from the coalition there would have been another opportunity to explain just how bad the Tories were, and give the people a chance to rethink by the ballot box. Sorry, you disqualified your party from governing for years to come.
Well done again C4. So refreshing to hear politicians answer direct questions, unlike the others who always seem to have something to hide, so they refuse to answer. Come the general election, as it will, sooner than we think, Lib Dem has my vote.
Excellent. Two really good candidates. What a contrast to the Tory race!
Again one sided view. There good candidates because their following your narrative. You guys want to unite the country. Good luck with that.
Traitors that's what they are and deserve to be put on a rope.
@@JC-mv7rw Let's not get carried away.....water boarding seems apt.
The UN DEMS
Sir Ed says ' I want to stay in the EU ' . I do too , but we lost a referendum which Ed forgets about .
Vote for me I'll make you rich... Oh yeah about that getting rich thing... I just said that to win. I'm a democrat. Who cares about that vote?
A referendum that wanted parliament to make our decisions. Let them make the decision.
We should never have had the referendum in the first place . Cameron held it just to head off the threat to the Tories from UKIP and to unite his party ( remind me how that is going Dave ? ! ) . We elect MPs who know more about politics and the detail than the ordinary person in the street who either takes no notice of politics normally or believes everything they read in certain newspapers with an agenda . I do get annoyed when MPs are criticised for not carrying out their voter's wishes . when they will never please ALL of their voters , but they are duty bound to follow their consciences . They also have acess to experts , unlike the public at large .
The Lib Dems are welcome to Chuka . He will dump them if their electoral fortunes make a down turn . I might still have respect for him if he calls a by election .
He always seems so smug
He will win his seat again.
We went back and forth on this and have only just decided in the end to go for Ed. Comparing their voting records side by side there's nothing to split them, they have both made terrible voting choices during the coalition which they've owned up to but both helped stop the worse the Tories had planned. So their voting record didn't help to decide unfortunately. Went for Ed because he has more experience and I think that's what we need right now. It's all well and good being media savvy but I don't really see much difference online between the two. Both are very active.
Jo Swinson is truly awful. A terrible production of Scotland. Shame.
Why are they being pragmatic, empathetic and honest!? I'm so confused... :O
Charlie Engel Because they're lying? They do it because there are some mugs who believe them.
Ed Davey for me. He has a very mature and developed understanding of how to transform the economy into a zero carbon one with millions more well-paid jobs, especially in the regions.
Darth Remainer
There's a good interview with him here
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07fh42g
And a speech he did in the little-attended first climate change debate in February here....
czcams.com/video/MPNktQatInI/video.html
Before it was cool!
You’d think channel 4 would have brought out a couple of lecterns...
Honesty. Amazing. Not seen coming from any other party.
both are outstanding candidates, hard to choose.
they don't really disagree on anything
Two of them are completely ignoring 17.4 million Brits the majority who voted to leave the EU, lib undemocrats are finished.
@@JC-mv7rw did 17.4 million vote for no deal with all the job losses, I don't think so. Brexit is Mays deal and only 17% at the most want that. No deal is English nationalism nothing wrong with that as a concept, but do people want England to leave the EU and the United Kingdom ?
Why does politics at the moment look more like a reality TV show than actual politics. At what point are we going to be voting by phone every week to evict the next prime minister?
I've never heard of it either. they are acting like a tv popularity contest. its wto rules chaps!
The interviewer here is clearly trying to prod and prod and goad out some sort of response. You're supposed to be examining what they will do as leader, not keep going on about whether they *really* tried during the coalition and bringing up tuition fees again. Bringing up the Tory's 'lower income tax, increase spending' as if that's something they should do too - basic maths skills? Also let them answer the damn questions you're asking without interrupting.
Oh this interviewer is notoriously bad. Watch her interview with Jordan Peterson.
Yeah, Cathy Newman. Disgusting careerist trying to antagonise their guests.
Their past decisions do matter though Rohin 1204 and to be fair to Jo she did admit they made mistakes . I would expect an interview with Tony Blair to mention Iraq , as that is what he will be remembered for and not all the other stuff .
Scooby1 Jo Swinson said they made mistakes. But more importantly it's not the same liberal democrats, it's a vastly different group of MPs for the most part. I understand holding specific MPs accountable, but the Liberal democrats are different, have condemned their previous actions and have different MPs. A better comparison is like holding the current Labour Party accountable for the Iraq war, not just Tony Blair.
Fair point
This """"""""""debate"""""""" reminds me of Jack Johnson vs John Jackson in Futurama.
Both good candidates who more or less agree on everything. Jo is much more charismatic tho, she can bring people on side. Voting for her.
@Darth Remainer Her body language; her speech is much more energetic. Also, I know it's shallow, but the fact she's younger than Ed. Matt Hancock said we should skip a generation to rejuvenate politics, and he's right. She's also much more endearing, I find. And that should be the face of the Lib Dems. The conservatives are austere, Labour radical (at the moment anyway).
My first time voting in a general election was in the last one, and I was veering off them because of their stance on brexit mostly. I think it was Joe, along with Vince that helped my decide to vote Lib Dem in the EU elections, and then become a member.
Lets say we had a 'peoples' vote what if less than 17.4m people voted to remain but it still wins would that void the larger vote?
Depends where you are Darth . In many leave voting areas people haven't changed their mind and may even have become more pro Brexit .
I dont know Scooby1. Out of all the people know that voted for Brexit, there is only one that still thinks it's a good idea.
This is like choosing between Kang and Kodos
1) They seem the same on policy, so the votes is just on who you think will be the most effective leader?
2) The Lib Dems have abandoned abolishing tuition fees? That sucks.
3) I'd like if they were a bit more centre-left.
I'm inclined towards Jo, but I'm still not sure really.
"I can make us the party of business".... Just no
Why?
@@Feeshermon playing to corporate interests is not what I want in a party.
@Darth Remainer the way he framed it was like he was attempting to take that from the Tory party. But if u look at what they have done with that in the past it shows you that their party has been ran by corporate interests. The economy is important but corporate interests should come second to those of the people and that the party should not advertise themselves as such
@Darth Remainer need I mention the de regulation of the stock exchange under Thatcher basically allowing us to go into the recessions that we now experience. The lowering of high earners taxes and corporation tax. The austerity of public services in favour of increasing corporate welfare by the government. Playing to business is just gonna replicate the Tory party's failings who led us into the 2008 crisis.
@Darth Remainer exactly but he wants to claw the party of business title back to the lib Dems. But what comes with that title is a wave of bullshit corporatist polices
Definitely need money spent on early years education - lots of missed opportunities there especially with the SEN crisis
I like Ed's passion for this. He seems really on the money with the detail on many topics across all the hustings. Impressed but torn over Jo who seems like she should be the face of our party. She is an awesome candidate but sometimes Jo tends to get swamped during debates with other party representatives in debates. How will that transcend in a GE?? I'd see Ed doing well in GE campaign debates. So tough.
It is no good calling for a zero carbon economy by 2050 if the rest of the world does not do the same, Britain contributes only
1 or 2 percent to world carbon emissions. While of course we should reduce our dependence on fossil fuels as much as possible,
To have a zero carbon world economy by 2050 seems to me to be totally unrealistic, however desirable it is.
However, given the shambles of both the Conservatives and Labor, the Liberal Democrats should have the chance to
Govern - it would at least make a change. And as the most enthusiastic advocates of staying in the EU, if Britain does stay in,
They would try to make the most of the advantages of EU membership.
But it strikes me odd that while saying Britain should tackle “the climate emergency” both Jo Swinson and Ed Davey say they would be willing to use nuclear
Weapons, which of course would destroy civilization and life on the planet.
The Liberal Democrats, of all people, given their environmental concerns, would, I would think, say that the first thing they would do
To help grapple with these concerns, is to get rid of nuclear weapons, unilaterally if necessary, and spend the huge sums of money
Spent on them to say, developing green or greener technologies, because developing those technologies would not be cheap.
Scrapping nuclear weapons would be start, and make their green credentials more credible.
But either of these 2 candidates would make a better Prime Minister than Theresa May, Boris Johnson and would be as least
As good as Jeremy Hunt. And certainly a lot, lot better than Jeremy Corbyn.
Do some research. Read what the scientists say. Listen to their lectures. Zero Carbon. Really ! Have you any idea what zero carbon means ? It means no life. NONE ! FFS do not listen to what Eco freaks and the cretins from the Lib Dems say the scientists say. Listen to and read what they actually say for yourself. Most of the Eco freaks are backed by billionaire industrialists. THINK about it. Why would that be ? It certainly explains why only small parts of what they say are publicised. PROFIT. Nothing to do with climate, and the NON-EXISTENT climate emergency.
Sorry to both unsuccessful applicants, but we are going to have to advertise the position again.
If a second referendum were held and the people still voted to leave, would the Liberal Democrats call for a 3rd referendum?
If they defined it properly, the question would be moot for at least a decade.
just NO.
Both of them want to stop brexit but what matters who is best placed to carry out this objective successfully. Which of them will actually be able to stop brexit? My instincts are telling me it's Swinson.
I agree she is the most undemocatic disturbing one
Sensible politicians. So refreshing.
Not another leadership contest.
I got 2:51 in and I’m so bored
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by the band: Coldplay.
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Jo Swinson should be the next Prime Minister.
No you wouldn't, you'd be more in hock to the EU!
@Darth Remainer active and constructive?
When they're trying to create an EU army through underhanded means!
Dream on!
I'm an American that's been intrigued with what's happening in Britain now with Brexit and it's politics, I'd definitely be a Liberal Democrat and support Jo Swinson. (Yes, I'm a Democrat in the U.S.)
Also hilarious they have the audacity to say the liberal democrat coalition of the early 2010's was the best government of their lifetime and then criticise the tory's when they went into coalition with them! I think it's laughable.
Imagine a LD SNP coalition. That would be fun
That would be B*******S to Democracy
Only people with very short memories will take these loons seriously.
They are easily pleased.
They are ridiculesI am not for global warming I believe the ice melt helps the sea from being heavy from the salt I understand it stinks in London and thing need to be sorted their but their is the rest of the country health well don’t agree more tax no thanks make people change all their cars infrastructure in the rest of the UK is not set up for what they’re talking about we will come out out Eu and watch what happens business will be flocking to this country to prop up UK and make money from us , democracy they are not into the people have voted and it shows this party is not for the people only them selves and their view it says it all
Wow, so unusual to see normal UK politicians on the news channel these days :D
But both undemocatic that's the problem
“CUCKOO CUCKOO...”🤣
We need a party for the working class people who will lose their jobs in the near future through brexit and automation. They should move tax rates up so that our basic standard of living is kept. Rethink the economy. Rethink how people should live in the future if you want to get carbon emission targets down. But most of all, hand power back to regions so they can build what they need.
sorry i will never vote for people i simply don't trust
So you're going to spoil your ballot paper then?
@@lisachrister9990 no that would be foolish, i just sign up to vote but i never cast my vote on anything
@@mrsmith3297 LoL now that's reasoned thought. The unfortunate thing, in today's political climate.....very rational.
@@lisachrister9990 with the brexit vote, i still have my ballot paper, it will be a rare pre-WW3 document lol, if they try have a re-vote on brexit i would be forced to vote leave, as this what the people voted for, i will fight any attempt to change a true vote like this. just take the next UK PM, 'not even really elected by the people' just picked by members of a club. its a out dated system, needs real change, all i would like is less regulation and lower taxes, with these two everything else will sort its self
They have become the undemocratic party very disturbing listening to these two undemocatic airheads
14:52 ''1p increase on basic rate of income tax; £6 billion extra'' That might seem a lot but that literally amounts to nothing in national budgeting terms. Austerity with the lib-dems continues.
Still can't make up my mind which to vote for. They are both great potential leaders of the party. Oh dear, so difficult!!!
Enter our main protagonists in the brexit drama. In the likely event of a general election, will they save the day?
02:04. Yeah mate. & Kat Dennings next BF. Could be me🤔.... I'm *ready* for that 😏🙄😉🙃
Well, she's not as bad as Hitler. But it's close
Spoilt little rich girl.
Urgh CZcams comments :o(
its so funny how she lets them talk lol never seen her with a musel on befor is ch4 lib dem?
Please don’t look straight at the camera. It’s too cringe and off and makes you look very desperate.
So.. paraphrasing, "we made a mistake, but we will not change it and keep runnin with it. Also, we made damaging cuts, but its okay coz we prevent even worse damaging cuts, we made difficult decisions that didnt effect us, but thats what coalitions do we compromise ur wellbeing so we can hold on to power."
Or if you choose to listen all the way - that we can't ptioritise fixing that because we have to fix the fucking collossal mess that the tories have done across the board.
Nailed it!
couple nonentities. they won't have a drop of an impact.
can never trust a person who has gap teeth
Hope both lose their seat. He's probably not going to lose it though.
What is the best government in your lifetime?
Jo swinson & Ed davy: the coalition government
wtf?, they are not sorry
I love the lib dems and will vote for them because none of the current parties are worth. They still have some sense. However none of these two candidstes is ready to lead. The way they answer is like the Tories or the bexit party. Dodge the question then praise myself. Look I know that is the standard politician tall but it doesn't work anymore. Try to be more honest try to answer the question and stand youar ground instead of dodging the question and inflating your ego.
How could they have answered, though? I don't think they dodged too much to be honest,
*Ugandan Interviewer voice* So who is Gay"?? 😁😆
Perfectly read but I don't believe a word !!!
Ed just comes across as far more confident. When it comes to appealing to voters of other parties it is about having someone they can see on tv being interviewed and instantly feel confident that they are watching someone who would be confident at leading the country which would include meeting strong willed people on the world stage. I just don't see that with Jo but do see it with Ed. Ed will have far more appeal to your average voter, regardless of who has the better policy. If Jo is to be a successful leader she needs to get more experience at being interviewed on TV.
What a pair of Walter Mitty’s!
Can always trust on Jo to bash Scotland , even when she is Scottish!
Well Scotland can be a headache.
And it was all yellow
Yes The 'YELLOW SHIRTS' are on the march B*******S to Democracy
Might as well bring back Cleggy.
Use to be a huge lib dem supporter don't think I would ever vote for them again.
Why?
@@MovesLikeJaGa they will not except the fact that the public voted for brexit. I was pro EU in the 2016 referendum, but was sceptical of the way the union was going, but the fact the lib Dems see the EU as more important the opinion of the majority of the nation is why I can't vote for them.
@@lenabo9929 It was actually 26.6% of the nation that voted leave, it was 51.9% of the people who voted. That number gets smaller if it could be worked out how many voted for a deal or no deal, it gets even smaller if they wanted David Davis's idea of a deal, or Daniel Hannon's idea of a deal. Is it so wrong to say that the government have tried and failed to provide any of these promises, and therefore if they want to push what wasn't promised on the public, they'll need to seek a clearer mandate? Or to put it another way, can you still strip the EU citizenship from 66 million people, because 17 mil said so, three years ago?
First off majority choose to leave, everyone else that choose to not vote it is their own fault. That's how democracy works you choose to vote or not so using figures of those 12 or so million that choose not to vote are inrelavant. They have as big a chance as any one to vote and they choose not to, that mean the majority is based on those that voted. You are looking for any way of analysing the fact that remain lost. If it was the other way round you would not allow it.
In terms of defining brexit, it quite simple base it on the leaflt that the government sent out. It means leaving all EU institutions.
I am Labour , voted remain in 2016 , but totally agree with you . I voted remain as a ' better the devil you know ' economic move , but don't like a lot of the EU federal stuff like talking about a common Foreign Policy and EU Army . I understand why the Lib Dems worry about Brexit , but talking about another Referendum totally ignores leave voters .
Can you guarantee the climate emergency won't involve a pension fund scam? 😂
Is LibDem still relevant? From the comments of these two it doesn't seem relevant. Neither one is presenting any real proposals. Arguing a "probusiness" position as a selling point for young people is woefully out of touch.
I like to make buses
These two say they concerned about climate change and when asked would you press the nuclear button and obliterate all of us .THEY SAY YES welcome to iron age thinking
Farage for the prime minister of uk
They don't sound very compromising at all no thanks
SHE TALKS ABOUT DIGNITY !!?? PSYCHOTIC !! AAAARGH !
Honestly Chuka Umunna would be better than either of these.
Don't know why he bothered standing, foregone conclusion she is going to win. Usual climate twaddle.
The illiberal undemocrats
You are very intelligent
Thank you sir
LOL we don't need your weekness also Let the north free from London.
I have always been a Tory voter but on the last EU election I voted Lib dems and I think I will vote for them in next general election. Won't vote labour because I am not a left wing nut.
Jo Swinson you got my vote
Both EU Muppets
Is this meant to be a joke?!
A gobby snowflake, or a wet lettuce? neither!!
Jo Swinson is better.
Sir Snake Davey
Tory enablers.
T I M E S H A V E C H A N G E D B U D