High Elves vs. the Dwarfs: The War of the Beard | Total War: Warhammer 2
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For what I understood from High ELf Army Book, Caledor II was basically a Man-Child who was chosen ebcause of martial skill rather than due to his political flair, and it showed: The War Vengeance was the result of both races failings, but if I had to cast my lot with a side I would say Gotrek was the one who tried toa void the War the most, if Caledor just would have not been a proudful jackass and explained what happened during the Sundering, the War would never have happened and who knows? Perhaps the High Elves would have gained a powerful Ally to put an end to Malekith`s Little Rebellion
ehhhh depends because the books make it out to be one way over the other.. this is the conflict that makes the dragon princes all pontsy, "WE SHANT LOWER OUR BANNERS FOR ANY PHOENIX KING! CALEDOR SAID WE DON'T NEED TO!"
so i mean there's always "that" about elves in general haha.. i have just, historically, in games hated smaller races as more of a joke, so i continue to play into that trope i've created for myself ;)
I dunno, one the first thing the Lore did in respect to Caledor was that he was rash, impetuous and , perhaps more importantly, foolish...
I think it is also important to remember that Caradryel tried to distace himself from Caledor`s policy: Up to the point he swalled his whole race pride and forged a new Phoenix Crown.
Goes to show any idiot can wear crown, but not everyone can be a King
Miguel Lemir very true.. And BOTH sides even talk about how Caledors actions didn't mirror the sentiments of the people. The court at the time wanted to take the claim seriously, but Caledor got all buck wild
I wonder what the hell was Asuryan thinking when he okay`d him xD...
Miguel Lemir by and large I think it was more the Phoenix Court looking to get a new head on the empire fast and Caledor had a lot of fame from the Sundering
"Spartacus is an elf lover. That's a grudge"
i trust the dwarves more. because.... who would've trusted the word of an elf...?
i trust nothing below my knee
NEVER TRUST AN ELF!!!!
At least I can trust a High Elf with my gold.
Have you seen the dwarfs of total war warhammer? Some are twice the size of men! And thrice the width!!!!
Zerul Antoher reason to side with the high elves: They have the decency to take care of themselves and not get fat. While the dwarfs get Dwarfen diabetes.
Calling the shaving of the beard a huge dishonour is honestly insufficient to explain how big of a deal it was. To the dwarfs, this was just as horrifying an act as an ambassador being arrested and castrated would be to us.
You dare side with the Elgi? This is going in the Dammaz Kron for sure!
Real talk though, I love both factions but this entire war could have been avoided if the High Elves had swallowed their pride and told the Dwarfs about the Dark Elves. Also if Caledor II wasn't such an uptight dick.
@@starslayer8390 i'm pretty sure they did told them, and the war also could have been avoided if the dwarves put aside their stubborness and actually believed them
@@amandag.6186 they didnt...
@@amandag.6186 yeah the elves never said a thing until the dwarves started smacking then around. By then it was to late.
@@starslayer8390ikr, heck they could have even gained a powerful ally which would have ended the drucci and malekith even faster
Proud that the gotrek killed caledor, damn elves all hail the dawi!
As a High Elf player of the tabletop and as someone whi would say they are their favourite race, I must say as with most stories I feel the truth would lie somewhere in the middle. Dwarves are stubborn and often short sighted little shits and Elves are very often too arrogant and haughty for their own good. All in all it is a shame they fought each other to exhaustion as they may have been able to avert the end times if they hadn't. And I think we can agree that would have been a good thing.
as someone who is the same... i totally agree ;) i mean if they hadn't fought each other, the dark elves wouldn't have been able to really rise to power. i think they would have remained a fringe faction that emerged every few hundred years
I thought Kholek did take part in it, and the only way they managed to 'defeat' him was by sealing him inside a glacier... I absolutely certain I've read that, though I can't at the moment recall where exactly
That's Krakanrok the Black isn't it? He's apparently been asleep since forever, so I don't think he's ever been active even way back then. Considering he is literally the size of a mountain, he'd probably have made enough of an impact that we'd know if he had ever woken up :p
"Dwarfs are stubborn and often short "sighted..."
Thorgrim: What was that about short?!
FUCK the End Times
Dawi were the one's in the right. All hail the High King.
straight up the dwarves learnt runesmithing from there ancestor gods. THEY DID NOT LEARN ANY FORM OF MAGIC FROM ELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You want your crown back? Come and get it...
CLOROX BLEACH Skarsnik when did you make a CZcams account
tfw roasted by bleach
CLOROX BLEACH Ya, where the hell is Gobbla?
I think not foul creature. My magic will cleanse you from this world. You're existance is an insult to the Asur.
We're coming.
Corrections: gromil exists as a ore. Also all of the dwarves runes and smithing skills were taught to them by the smith ancestor god, Grungni.
correction to your correction! smithing and dwarf runes are 100% from Grungi, but enchantments are from the elves. that's true in both books.
thank you so much on the gromril point though ! i couldn't remember in the moment haha
runes are the enchantments.
dwarves dont use "enchantments" they use runes which are inscribed to weapons and armor... none of this is from the high elves
12733s answered above :)
Dwarves dont use high elf enchantments! Nor any of their pitiful magics!
09:55
Well that's a grudgin'
Both army books describe it as fault of the others, however there was a White Dwarf story about the War of the Beard which blames the elfs a bit more since touching and harming an ambassador started the war. Also he wasn`t just ambassador he was related to the king himself so they shamed the kings familiy.
yeah i noticed that in the 5th edition book, it was saying he was a cousin i believe.. then the later version i think they dropped that because i looked back on my 8th ed book and didn't see that :/ do you know which WD article!?
Could be in January 2002 264 just because a quick google search says it has war of the beard stuff in it, however i will look through my years long abo stockpile when i have time.
Had the same discussion on a warhammer board and its pretty clear whos at fault since the attack on Dwarven caravans is already an act of war and the Dwarfs did not know that the Elfs suddenly developed bad cousins.
Then saying the King lies just to get stuff, and as last act shaming his delegation with one of the worst crimes for Dwarfs. (Dwarfs don`t lie)
It makes sense that someone with a high rank is atleast a really close friend to the king that picks him.
Blayze47 No Asur is ever innocent
Awesome video! This sounds like a mini campaign I actually wouldn't mind seeing at some point in Total War
Prinkboss if they don't, I will learn modding just to do it!!!!!
It won't be a Mini campaign!
awesome video, thanks again for your link and Lore details
Thank YOU for watching :)
ahh always love me some high elf lore vids. keep em coming Spartacus!!
Mentor Arash thanks dude! Definitely will!!!
WHAT! Why would the high elvs be right?
Really enjoyed the vid would love to see more lore vids on famous battles or conflicts or even ones that aren't so popularly known but should be.
+Jason Jacobs I'll see what I can scrounge up :)
On the note of Malekith being a diplomat to Dwarfs and the closeness between the Asur and Dawi prior to the War of the Beard:
Malekith was at the dying bed of the last Dwarf King prior to the War of the Beard, and he swore an oath to ensure Elfs and Dwarfs would always be friends. We all know how that turned out.
It was such a huge deal that said dwarf king came back to life as grombrindal
I wanted to wait till i heard the whole video before commenting, but this "Warhammer History" is SO AWESOME. Thanks for Doing the work and making this video. Please do more Warhammer History video's if you can.
BTW you da Mann!
Preston Fortner thanks dude!! Plenty more to come and plenty available for you to delve into :)
Remember this grudge that was written by high king gotrek starbreaker. the elgi made one of our fellow dawi a shame and take the slayer oath, because of that karaz ankor really angry about it and send a Throng's fight againts pointy-ears and push pointy-ears back to their homeland. May souls of our fellow dawi's found a better place with ancestor gods.
Edit : Fuck Malekith he became as a oathbreaker and made snorri whitebeard (grombrindal) wake up from his grave and swear he wouldn't rest in piece without killed malekith and capitate him.
nailed it! :) i knew you'd chime in on some goodies here
the great book of grudges Shall i summon the Throngs?
Grombrindal not now.
😞
Grombrindal gtombi Nooo!!
Drives me crazy to see you have any negative responses to your videos. They're really fun lore breakdowns that no one else has done as well. You're a good narrator and you're informative enough to make all us nerds happy. Keep up the solid work, mate.
hahah thanks so much man! :) i don't think there are too many negative responses.. they're here and there, some harsher than others.. but hey, we all are going to have opinions. it's fine. as long as those that enjoy it, enjoy it. that's what matters! :D
Well people are rightfull to have their opinions. But i do agree with you in the term, that some are just disrespectfull, and have no constructive criticism in it.
It was a nice video
You did great!
Never trust an elf!
Love me my High Elves good vid bro! *you sound like a school teacher lol
My favourite part of this history is that we got two official separate versions of events.
If I can remember some second hand lore I thought the craft of runesmith enchanting was taught by Grungi who learned it from the Old Ones back on that mythical island in mist. I could be way off from the truth, but I'm fairly certain that makes the most sense as I also remember elves learning magic in a similar way.
Really cool lore video, enjoyed listening to it. Any possibility on lore for Sigmar during his mortal life?
Alec Adanglao yup! He'll be covered in the human pantheon of gods I'll be doing :)
I was reading that there are Wood Elves in Nordland at the Laurelorn Forest. Do they have special units or lore to them or are they just briefly mentioned??? Are they part of the Empire and follow Karl Franz??
Someone will probably do a mod when the combined map arrive.
i hope so god dammit
This is a very good video with excellent narration, the only thing I'd like to point out is that at 7:17 you say DEFCON 4, that is a lower DEFCON rating, DEFCON 2 is what you mean, just my OCD taking over, well done nonetheless.
It was the elf king’d fault, it’s not the high elf as a whole that did this; it was the ignorance of the king that caused all this. All this could had been prevented if he simply let the info about the civil war be known by the dwarfs
This war was definitely started by Caledor II and the the dwarfs were unforgiving of that brat
love your vids man
keep it up
thanks dude! :)
The time of legend mentioned of a second instigator, a ancient daemon who disguised as a dawi and gave the dwarf princes false advice to start the war.
The problem was malekith, he did all the conflict. The elves and the dwarfs didnt need to fight
One of the best book series I've ever read.
Malekith is the true master here. Made two friends fight to the better death
Late comment but the dawi and elves where not allies or friends at best distant trading partners. Most elves dint care enough about the dwarves and the civil war made them abandon the colonies and so the trade. The dwarves where only friends with Malekith who was oathbound to Snorri Whitebeard to maintain peace between the races (Snorri was the 1st dwarf king after their ancestor gods left and he made malekith take this oath at his deathbed)
Hey ItSpar, the pronunciations of the Bretonnian words are specifically designed to LOOK French, but SOUND English. They were designed by Brits in the 80's, afterall. For example, "L'Anguilles" Is pronounced "Langill," "Grail Relique" is pronounced "Grail Relic," "Bequis" is pronounced "Beaky," "Louen Leoncoeur" is pronounced "Loo-en Leeoncur." Yes, it is that simple. It's just a perfect example of that core sense of humour that is found underneath all the badassery in Warhammer. Obviously the letters themselves are pronounced slightly differently in French, but it's perfectly reasonable and technically correct to just use an English accent. I'm sure there are other people who disagree, but for what it's worth, I am Canadian and have grown up learning, speaking, reading, and hearing French.
oh dude thank you so mcuh for that! :D that's huge because they always tongue tie me and i feel stupid when i say them haha.
These lore videos are so awesome ItalianSpartacus this makes me even more excited for warhammer 2 Im so tired of waiting for warhammer 2 I want the game now :D awesome video anyway
dude i'm in the same boat, i'm playing destiny 2 and the new warhammer inquisitor to stave off the hype because i'm so god damn excited. thanks for watching Arvid! :D
It's interesting how the alliance between Dwarfs and Elves would come about again. When Finubar became the Phoenix King, he tried to greatly reestablish positive relations with the Dwarves by meeting with High King Alriksson. Teclis fighting alongside the forces of Alriksson and Magnus the Pious during the Great War Against Chaos also benefited that. These efforts were again redoubled when Thorgrim became High King, and Finubar personally met with him to bring back the old alliances, and it worked to an extent, that is until Mannfred kidnapped Aliathra the Everchild and Tyrion fucked the alliance up by being a dickhead.
i don't like to think of the end times as happening to 8th.. i think of the end times as a pseudo 9th that never got released.. so in my mind, the dwarf/elf relationship is still being repaired hahah
I agree, Spartacus.
By the way.. I even give you a shout out and you don't notice it?!?!
ItalianSpartacus Wait what? I didn't finish the video yet lol. Thanks
There is some contradiction between information from the books you cite and the War of Vengeance trilogy by Nick Kyme and a few other authors. While the faction specific books seem to speak from the biases of that specific faction the trilogy seems to be a removed, objective description. Lore-wise is the trilogy the accurate account of the actual war?
The War of the Beard was basically the Warhammer world's World War One; even the victors had taken such a beating by the end of it, that their dominion over the world was shattered to the point of what had previously been minor annoyances being enough to topple them.
On perspectives though, it's interesting to not that the High Elves claim the reason they shaved the ambassador is because he grew so angry with Caledor's arrogance, he laid his hand on his axe in the Phoenix King's presence. None had dared to draw a weapon before the Phoenix King since Malekith betrayed and slaughtered the entire Elven court shortly before walking into the Flames of Asuryan. I still completely believe the dwarven interpretation of Caledor's character, as even the ASUR acknowledge he was proud, even by THEIR standards; that alone should speak VOLUMES for a level of arrogance so monumental, it makes Sigvald the Magnificent look positively HUMBLE by comparison! For all else, the truth is probably somewhere between the two accounts. For instance, the siege of Tor Allesi was allegedly broken after the Elves admitted a small party of dwarves for peace talks, only for the envoys to turn on the elves and seize the gate from the inside, prompting the final showdown between Caledor II and Gotrek Starbreaker, so I can believe that at least the lower nobility of the elves during the war genuinely wanted peace.
In Total War Warhammer 2 I will specifically send an army or two to the Old World. Karaz-a-Karak will burn, Phoenix Crown will return to Ulthuan.
you have my quiver!
Lukasz Janusz WATH.. LoTR quotes in war Hammer is a grudge!
I will give you my dragons. Caledor to war!!!!
Noble warriors of Caledor and their might Dragons are welcome allies indeed. Onward brothers, the Cloak of Beards needs to be remade
Let's up the ante. Make a banner made from dwarven beards!
Never trust an elf.
Valaya's wrath will fall upon you!!! She's twisting in her stony grave!! The elves haven't taught the dwarves jack!! Runesmithing was developed by Valaya and it's entirely dwarven technology. There is no elven enchantment or contribution anywhere in dwarven society, they don't even believe in enchantments, which by itself makes enchantments not work for or against them because of how the immaterium works.
Runecrafting and runesmithing are not enchanting. Trade between elves and dwarves was restricted to the only things each race really cared about from one another: resources, luxury goods, jewelry, beer, wine, fur, wood, stone, food. Basic stuff and even in that it has never been substantial because, well, wine is pointy-ear grape piss, why would a dwarf ever pay for that instead of dwarven ale?
History and maps, maybe. But elve are not known for their openess with knowledge besides the absolutely needed to know to convince others to do their bidding. But magic?? Nonsense.
Hahah i love it, thank you so much for that response! :D
as i was just saying to another viewier- you're 100% right, Grungi taught them the fine art of Runes/runecrafting.
Enchanting came from the Elves. Further, just like the Dwarfs taught quite a bit to the Humans, Elves taught Humans Magic in its entirety. Elves in their earlier history are a lot more stubborn with their knowledge (as were the Dwarfs), but as the timeline progresses, both races see the need to foster and enlighten the Humans.
Yes but there is no enchanting in Dwarf culture, so it didn't come from anywhere. It simply can't be because dwarfs don't believe in it. Only their runecrafting and their stuborness are real.
It's like the savage orc's blue paint. It works because they believe it does, and no stunty git aint tellin' em it doesn't and walk away like that. WHAAAAAGH.
Humans on the otherhand, benefited from both cultures. Smithing , engineering and beer from dwarves (though they keep drinking that whiskey nonsense and work stone a lil better than a goblin), magic, dancing and grape-piss-thingy from the elves.
Dude!!! One of your top lore vids!!!! This was so freaking interesting!!! So the war of the beard is in 2 different books? 1 for the elves and 1 for the dwarfs or is it 1 book that covers both perspectives?
Really cool stuff man
thank you so much dude!
you have each side covered in their respective army books.. but then, there's a 3-part trilogy called the "War of Vengeance" that covers a lot of the side battles and skirmishes as well as the dynamic between everyone. i can't recommend it enough!!!
I'm lost as to why the Pheonix king couldn't have just said "That wasn't us." regarding the attacks.
Probably thats the biggest reason why this is the elves fault. As made clear in the books Gotrek was frustrated that the elves as a whole considered themselves too high and mighty to even entertain dialogue, spurring dawi efforts. They didnt care to address the issues as they happened and so dwarf fury built up to the point where it couldnt be talked down even when Imladrik tried at the end. Unfortunately they didnt really bring up that motivation apart from once but it seems the most damning. Elgi suck.
DEFCON goes in descending order. DEFCON 4-5 are peacetime, 3 is crisis, 2 is conventional war, 1 is Nuclear war or imminent nuclear conflict.
Elves stared the war and got their ass handed to them
Dwarf Empire... oh, the good old days...
I believe that one of the ancestor gods taught the dwarfs how to enchant their armor with runes,but I could be wrong because I don't know shit about high elf lore,but I have studied dwarf lore enough to know that the fuckers made rune golems,so I'll take the dwarf side
but I want to know how one made a fucking mechanical kraken and another one a fully functional mechanical arm
+Luka Troha no you're right but both books say that elves taught then enchantment. So I'm not sure what they mean tbh! :)
ItalianSpartacus basically like you said,each one has their version but to be honest the high elves were and still are arrogant pricks and the dwarfs are stubborn assholes,so trying to change their point of view is like being Felix and mentioning the chaos dwarfs,you basically gonna get torn apart
Grate video. Will you make more dwarf content? It would be grate to see they're story in the eyes of an Elf hahah.
absolutely! we'll be doing the elf and dwarf pantheons coming up soon :)
Are high elves related to the wood elves at all or are they total separate just asking?
EDIT: made this comment before the video but I am still kinda confused on all the elf factions connections
And how far apart time wise are the first game and the second one?
P.S love your videos keep up the good work
Voronwë The faithful yup! In this video I talk about how the wood elves are what's left over of the high elves living in the old world :)
Also.. Timeline wise, both games are at the same time! Thanks so much for watching man
ItalianSpartacus thanks for answering and no problem just found your channel and I love it
Awesome video 👍
The Great Plan has no place in it for such petty sqaubbles. Deal with your disagreements or the Slann may have me remove you from it.
humans and elves are apart of the great plan and there are too many skaven and greenskins to wipe them out
What do you think will happen to Karak-Zorn. Will they do something special with it?
PS awesome vid man love getting to know the lore :)!
Beepboopbeep I don't know.. I think just having it there is pretty damn special. But aside from color and dress, they're not ultimately very unique dwarfs.. So I'm not sure! They might have a cool flavor, but not much else other than that
Well they are a little unique in that they don't have access to any of the newer technology that the other dwarves have like gyrocopters because they've been cut off for so long.
Isn't super power that comes after the dwarfs and elves, Nehekara?
you should go read the war of vengeance books. goes way more in depth.
+onderkruiper oh dude I know! I've only read the middle one which is where the Sarendor story really gets fleshed out. I wasn't able to pick up the other two. Might just rbuy em online.
pretty sure that chaos armor is on par with dwarf armors
Hey thanks for the call out
So The Elves are arrogant and the dwarfs are stubborn......What's the difference?
Carter Howlet easy! The elves are always right! :D
More like, elves are lying and dwarfs speaks the truth but will never change their minds
You don't know that. For all we know the dwarfs are lying. They are fully capable of doing that. They are also known to be greedy, violent, and dogmatic to any culture that isn't on par to there's.
Depends what you mean by 'fully capable'. Capable as in physically able to lie, yes. But they never do. A Dwarf wouldn't tell a white lie to their worst enemy to save their life. Greedy, yes they are, violent and dogmatic, certainly. But they do not lie nor break their promises unless involuntary, as in a lie of ignorance or an oath being broken because they were simply not able to keep it despite their best efforts (and even that is grounds for them to abandon their life and take the Slayer oath to seek death in battle and nothing else). Lies and deceit runs directly contrary to the very core of their culture while to Elves it's so INNATE that it led to the Sundering itself... I know who I would believe.
I would rather believe, a bunch of Beer Drinking Dwarfs than A bunch of entitled Princesses
smells like cabbage?
I HOPE YOU LIKE MILLENIA OF UNENDING GENOCIDAL TURBO WAR, UNBARAKI!
Love me some Lorehammer.
David Rifenburg Hahah thank you!! :)
That was awesome
haha thank you! it's like my favorite part of the lore
Great view! I enjoyed it. You did the video and recorded the history of it very well. The only thing you missed was the dwarf ambassador raised his axe at the Phoenix King and that was a punishment worthy of death. Caledor II had his flaws but he went with what he thought was the better punishment. I doubt he was informed about the dwarven code of honor. The province of Caledor is a warrior province that centers around dragons.
+Sage of Caledor yes! That's in an older edition of the Lore.. Also that the ambassador was related to Gotrek. I decided, since the Lore does vary from edition to edition, to go with the latest version. I think you're referring to 4th or 5th!
Actually it was mentioned in the newest editions. Either the Dwarf raised his axe at Caledor or the Dwarf insulted him. Either way. The blame for the beard shaving incident lies with the dwarf.
NEVER TRUST AN ELF !
It is clear that Nagash and Chaos are right in this conflict, I mean look at the pointy ears and the bearded gnomes... they are basically BEGGING to be annihilated :P
And I am sure that the Skaven were also grateful that Nagash showed the dwarfs their place.
no one likes a bragger, sadicus!!
:P
If game 1 races get split into subfactions, I'd like to see Grombrindal have a combined campaign objective of destroying the Dark Elves.
Also, not a fan of the "official" drew-key pronounciation of druchii. I always pronounced it dru-kai.
DaThingOnTheDoorstep man that's the tough thing with fantastical pronunciations. I really like Dru-ch-ee. To each their own I suppose. I've only been saying it that way in my head for 10+ years. Ughhhh
My gold standard is the latin language. If a plural noun ends in -ii it is pronounced ee-eye. Drew-kee-eye.
Yeah like Triarii, I say "Tree-ari-eye"
to be honest i think the dwarfs acounts of the things are probably closer to the truth. the high elf king is a arrogant prick that doesnt even listen to a fucking ambassador and insults and dishonors him without a care. you can see the arrogance of the high elfs in that behaviour. on the other hand not every battle was full of glorious combat and epic clashes so the dwarfs tend to overpaint the picture but they still dont scew the truth to their favour as much as the elfes.
you watch your GOD damn mouth! I actually read through the stories on multiple editions this past weekend.. and it definitely gets more embellished from the dwarfs- but truer to fact, and a lot more victimized with the high elves.
god damn knife ear lover! MAY YOU NEVER BE ABLE TO GROW A BEARD! ;)
but jokes and banter aside both sides messed up i just think that the elves know they fucked up harder and that is why they play the victim card.
You're completely wrong to say the elfs taught the dwarfs how to enchant armour. Rune Magic has existed since the Time of the Ancestors for the dwarfs.
Furthermore Dwarfs and elfs already knew how to forge their respective special metals, thanks to Vaul for Ithilmar and Grungni for Gromril so saying they learned how to do this from each other is also wrong.
What are the books you used ?
war of vengeance trilogy, dwarf army book, high elf army book, and scant mentionings in the dark elf army book :D
remember who won the war mungo it wasnt the elves.
I usually am on the side of the middle ground, compromise and merits of the fact.
This time however - i side with the dawi. Yes, they can be stubborn and short sighted but this is even graver than that.
the facts are that they were attacked regardless who the perpetrators were, the elves knew this and knew what it means to the dwarves, let alone a war with them. The dwarves were *almost* willing to let that one go, a first in their history? but needed *something* to work with - and they (elves) indeed made a diplomatic crime and destroy an ambassador's life.
Sure, the elves were innocent.....thats the point..... and they know ahead of time how the dwarves are. They going out of their way to *actually* slight them , KNOWING they *actually* believe they've been attacked and killed and how they handle such things....Its mind boggling how that high elven king screwd everyone.
The elves were powerful - yes...but we're talking about the Dawis of old....man...madness and stupidity.
Dirty stunty lover. 😂😂😂
The best part of the way the war of the beard is told is that its soo polarizing between accounts. The bloodthristy dwarves and the dirty diseespectfull hoity elves. Its a great first explination of prespective and history
10:13 lmao
dont mess whit dwarves
Go trek gurnisson is the best fighter next to ungrim without the plot armor Archeon is good as dead ungrim single handedly vanish millions of Daemon in his last stand
OOooohhh eeee! Khazukan khazakit HA! Khazuk! Kill elf!
The Dwarfs may be stubborn and warlike in response to the slightest offence, but they arent liars... i think we know who was in the wrong here...
Dwarfs got rune craft from their god not elves
Gungi, yes. but both books mention "Enchantment" so I'm not sure what they mean here
For future refrence, Spartacus. I think it's pronounced "L'On-jee" phonetically, but say it with a French accent :P At least, this is how I've always said it :)
+Corey O'Reilly sounds good!! Thank you :)
Dawi will always be better than Asur!
www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-chronicles/novels/war-of-vengeance-ebook.html and here commes the story
Yup! i saw it's being re-released! :D
you should do a "lets read" for us :)
in advertising best is something every store can advertise. better you have to prove. so everyone can be best warrior or bravest but to say one is better is more difficult. like how every cold beer and wine store says coldest beer. yeah everyone chills to a degree above freezing. anymore and your wasting beer. so everyone has coldest.
You kinda left out the fact that Nagash's great ritual that caused earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, causing underway to shatter and break open many Karaks' defenses. Also, you shouldn't have left out the fact that Malekith swore an oath to the First High King, Snorri Whitebeard, at his death bed to make sure elves and dwarfs would stay friends forever. That level of oathbreaking was so severe that it pulled Snorri's spirit out from the Hall of the Ancestors and brought him back to life to avenge the grudge as Grombrindal. Which kinda ended unceremoniously during the End Times.
basically WW1
Calimero Hœnir not enough of an inbred ruling class, weapons testing, and nations that don't exist.... But... I mean the outcome, definitely Hahaha
how can you even answer comments that quickly??? are you a wizard?
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Calimero Hœnir Im a balder version of Teclis! I'm usually always at a computer for work or at home. So the only times I can't respond are when I'm asleep and even then I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and pop off an answer!
ItalianSpartacus well I'm genuinely impressed
i am not sure who was more stupid to start this war
Stinky elf lover
This grudge even extends into other universes for me. I get great satisfaction when I kill a dwarf in warcraft with my loremaster looking blood elf pally.
Hottest comment I've seen all day
Great video as usual 😁.
And yes the High Elves are allways right 😉❤
Wut? O.o Elves didn't teach the dwarfs how to Enchant. Dwarves were rune smithing far before the Elves came along. Dwarfs also had Gromril before the met the Elves, they are the only ones who can mine it and forge it.
right and you're maybe the fourth person to bring this up- but it is in both books so i'm not really sure what extent this entails to.. we all know dwarfs learned runesmithing from Grungi. so i'm not sure if this means elves taught them how to make it stronger? or what the deal really was!
also with gromril/ithilmar - i was making statements entirely on conjecture. but a craftsman would use any influence they learned in their art.. so it would only make sense that one would influence the other in further honing of their... well.. craft! :D
I think it is more likely the Elves showed the Dwarfs how they made items magical and so 'taught' them. You can be taught things without doing it, or being capable, of doing it yourself. It is physically impossible for a Dwarf to use magic, so he cannot 'enchant' items. They still could have made use of it in the line that they forged an item and then an Elf enchanted it because, I imagine, enchanting is much, much faster then runesmithing where it can take decades for a Runesmith to finish a potent item. We know such a blade existed that was broken during the War, so it could have been a large means of trade between them.
As for the armybooks, the War of the Beard changes in many of the armybooks, particulaly the High Elf version which goes from bemoaning how noble they were to talking about how worthless Caledor was. The Dark Elf armybook, 6e, I think, has an amusing one where they talk about it and while they meant the High Elves to weaken themselves, they facepalm and are insulted by proxy when they lose. If you want more info, there are three Time of Legends novels on the War, the first being the death of Snorri, second being the death of Imaldrik as well as the fated duel of Salendor and Stonefist, the last being the duel between Gotrek and Caledor, and the dwarfs had it right in that one, Caledor did beg for his life before Gotreks struck him down (although the fight wasn't three days).
walter oliveira spot on. The old ones were pissed after they made the dwarfs because they were the extreme in being completely unable to use magic.
Then they weren't able to finish the ultimate being in the ogres Hahaha.
But you're so spot on with the Flux in army book to army book. The 5e is where it really talks about how noble they were, the 8th being a little less biased.. The 6e was pretty unique too because it too a lot of different stances than expected across every army book.
walter oliveira I need to read the first war of vengeance book! I don't have it so I need to get up on that
First one is, imo, the best one overall. Get to see Dwarf/Elf relations as it reaches the boiling point. Although the third one had my two favorite scenes, Caledor's death and the scene where... elf woman whose name I cannot recall who later becomes one of the first Wood Elves gets to see the face of the diplomat when they capture him and despite laughing about it earlier in the series feels ashamed when she sees it in person. Very neat trilogy.
Dwarves FTW!
High Elves = Scrubs
Hahaha smells like cabbage
So your a high elf since your referring to it as the war of the beard
instead of how it should truly be referred to The war of vengence.
High elves created history, dwarfs just drank through it!!!! :D
Malekith did nothing wrong.
*whispers* I blame skaven
Nice video! man I love High elf Lore. They were always my favorite race. I mean really the dwarves should be more thankful that the elves stopped the demons from over running the world right?
Adam Lee at the very least! I'm sure elves gave dwarves the ability to make really cool hats too! Thank you so much for watching! :)
Most stupid and pointless war ever in Warhammer Fantasy! If High Elves and Dwarves fought together, possibly even having an alliance with the Lizardmen, they could vanquish all evil from the world.
The Map is just wrong. First: Elfs had been on more coasts than this. Even in Tilea, and quite sure also in arabia and so on. Second: Dwarfs had been on the mountains around the black gulf, but not on the estalia area nor the mountain between future human empire and bretonia. But they had been spread over to big parts of norsca, and also eastwarts to the mountains and the area between (more or less, more less). read german lexicanum fantasy, there is a lot more information...
The Elves by the way had their colonies also on the southend of lustria, the southlands and all around the sea beyond, maybe, im no sure about this, even on the lands the dark elves now use to live.
You'll also notice I left out the citadels, their colonies east of the southlands, as well as their northern outposts because Naggartoh hadn't gone thay far bonkers yet... But! I chose this to focus on one central portion of the conflict because, while those do paint a larger portrait of the empire as a whole, it can be quite confusing. I am doing a video on the Sundering where I do the entire high elf empire at its height. Thank you for noticing those differences! Same thing goes with the dwarfs. I didn't want to focus on their holds in the dark lands, etc. It's why I chose this map over the whole world map. Sorry for the seeming misinformation
wait...I DID IT FINALLY
first ;)